robert wagner's silence about that night has made him seem guilty of something, like he has something to hide. his discretion could be do to the fact that he is protecting natalie's privacy. just a thought.

That's a very reasonable thought.

A good point. Also, it must be painful for him to relive the events of that night and he perhaps feels that as long as his daughters know the full story, that's all that matters. After all, we (i.e. the public) have no automatic 'right' to be told the whole story. We've been told the 'basic story' and maybe he feels that's enough.

Joanne

Joanne doesn't know what she is talking about. The members of Vlad's blog Speak Easy are the ones with the aknewlege of all Natalie and RJ the Kling of Hollywood

This thread was started THREE AND A HALF YEARS ago! I wonder who could possibly be bringing this up again because IT has nothing concrete to add except ITS abhorrent spelling. I give you the "KLing of Hollywood" for starters!

"aknewlege" Now there is word you've never seen before, right up there with "Kling". LMAO

As all see the wond has changed. Vlad is the new ruler. King Vlad and Queen Cher forever.

what is the wond?

Wind and there she goes again correcting a typo Miss Know It All who can't control everything.

Pucci go suck WOND!

That would be Mr. Know it all and thank you for the compliment. I wish I could say the same for you.

No offense and please understand that everyone has a perfect right to their beliefs but history teaches us that the innoncent fight to the death to prove their innoncence. He has told many lies over the years and he HAS NOT MAINTAINED A DIGNIFIED SILENCE, he wrote a book wherein in he mentions her moods her tail swishing, her career demons and tells yet again his very hole filled version of her death. How did that book help her daughters? He also authorized Gavin Lamberts biography which brought up his youngest daughters suicide attempt. What could be more hurtful than that? His silence is selective and far from total and there is no dignity to it. It took her hours and hours to die, only Natalie has remained silence as she was murdered though not by choice I realize.

Oh don't you know? If RJ says it is ok then it is ok. Do you really think a thing like Courtney's suicide attempt would bother RJ? As long as it isn't in print that he is a no good drunk murderer he does not care who gets trashed and that includes his own daughter. Why would he care about anyone else?
The man is dirt.

well since I agree with every word that you say I do not have much to add to that. I would very much like to hear a response from the people who thought that Wagner maintained a dignified silence and hear their explanations for that school of thought based on the undeniable fact that he has authorized one book and authored another. I do understand people having belief systems but this one is rather difficult to uphold in the face of some rather glaring evidence. It is a dichotomy of rather broad strokes, much like Sarah Palin announcing last October that all bloggers were "pathetic unemployed losers who lived in basements" and then running her entire campaign from twitter.

Of course since her supporters sneer when I mention this provable fact I suppose Wagners book will fall under the same hear no evil, see no evil sort of nonsense denial.

Considering Lamberts book revealed some very unflattering things about Wagner, I would say he was just trying to be "honest" about himself and Natalie. As much as I admire the woman, (and I most certainly do,) she had her "issues", and even Finstad acknowleged that. I read all these books, and I thought Natalie was treated with great love and respect in Robert Wagners autobiography. I guess it is all in the eyes of the reader, but I got the feeling he wasn't too happy with the way she was portrayed in Lamberts book, and wanted to set the record straight and point out how truely wonderful she was. But he describes her as a flesh and blood woman, not a "saint"....and she was all the more likeable and "real" for it. I never felt he put her down.
Well you did ask for a "response".....sorry if my opinion offends you, I do not want to upset anyone.

He presented Natalie that way because of the flack he took for the way he treated her in Lambert's book (horribly). He also wanted to leave in his "memoir" a different picture for his daughters (Nat's daughters) as he was trying to coast on out of life making himself appear as the golden boy he never was, sexually, professionally, personality, character, and position in Hollywood. It's between the lines on virtually every page, his resentment, because on most every page there exists a lie. Not just "opinion kind of lies" - BALD FACED OUTRIGHT LIES that are provable every time. He spent more glee on "Freddy's 12-incher" and Niven's bathroom cock tricks than he did on his "life with Natalie" -- This man, on every page, exposes his warped mind, and maybe it takes professional training to see it, but no one I've talked to about his book of lies doesn't see through the psycho's mission. Sorry if I offended you, but that's my opinion, based on FACT.

We all have "issues". Natalie included. RJ's book is full of bull ****. All he tried to do is scrape that bull **** off from Lambert's book which he endorsed but he got a backlash on.

well if he was trying to scrape off Lamberts book then maybe he shouldnt have used the distinctive phrase "tail swishing" I had never heard that before and its not exactly mainstream vernacular so if he was trying to remove himself he blew it by that one phrase if nothing else, not too bright.

No argument from me. As a man I'd be totally pissed if anyone said that about my wife and he had no problem with it being used. Wagner always had a plastic smile. I guess his plastic heart goes with it.

It was a vulgar thing to say. Wagner did not give a damn how Natalie was portrayed in Lambert's book as long as Lambert screamed from the rooftops that Wagner was heterosexual and he did, over and over and over again. He doth protest too much?

Wagner's book -- there are too many references to list -- is one long "coming out" -- it's all there. In the photos and in the writing. Please don't tell me I'm the only one who sees it.

I thought it was rather odd that Wagner told stories of Gay men who made passes at him. There was no shortage of good looking Gay men back in the day. Why would these Gay men come on to a man who is straight unless they knew that he was not as straight as he would like people to believe.

Because RJ wants everyone to think he is this big macho ladie's man who is so hot that that even the guys went after him.
He was a good looking guy in his youth but why would a Gay man go after a straight man when the Gay man could have had Rock Hudson if he preferred the tall dark and handsome type or the tall blonde and hansome?
RJ was part of Henry WEilson's team in more ways than one.

RJ is a big old poufter.

Yup! In his poorly written bodice ripper of a book, he uses phrases like fabulous and makes adoring (a word he uses as well lol) references to other men. The book in terms of how he speaks of women and I dont only mean Natalie is extremley misogynistic in tone. I have nothing but sympathy for gay men who are forced for whatever sad (republicans lol)reason to stay closeted.

But he will not be remembered for that, he will be remembered for being a murderer only and thus has managed to be a stain on both heterosexual and gay men simultaneously. Nice work wagballs. I forgot to mention that in Lambert's book and Wagners the phrase "career demon" comes up. Personally I think Lambert was no more than a secretary to his closeted gal pal Wagley.

excellent observation on the post just above

Thank you I really appreciate that! Its nice to be able to talk about her and about my uhm kind of obsessive hatred of him. I think I could cool down if he would only get convicted, if not for this then for SOMETHING at least.

For example I was so happy when Simpson went down on those Vegas charges it was really cleansing for a lot of us. Maybe Wagner could get set up with an arson charge or uhm kidnapping, robbery, hell I dont know. I only know he needs to be behind bars. Simpson taught me at least that I no longer care what for if the cell fits dont acquit lol.

He would most likely be picked up for DUI. Bastard drinks a lot.
Maybe for solititation a male prostitute working underage. But he's too clever to trip up anything right now. He's got a great book haunting him. Sure hope he doesn't hurt the only voice Natalie has ever really had.

Come on now. That is ridiculous. Stick to the matter at hand. Don't go off on a fantasy tangent like the trolls do of making up scenarios.
I think the truth that Rulli and Davern present are horific enough. Fantasy is not needed.
The word is solicitation and why the reference to an male underage prostitute?

The D.U.I. thing made me hope for a drunk while skiing incident so many crevasses on Ajax, that would be a terrible shame lol. That would actually be cooler than jail time on some deal like Simpson's thougn (heavy sigh) he probably doesnt even know how to ski and as for male prostitutes he probably shops online lol

Your male prostitute statements are offensive. Are you lowering yourself to the troll standards of Gay bashing? I certainly hope not because Natalie Wood had many loving friends who were Gay.

No, that's not what I was saying. Male prostitutes need to make a livin as much as female prostitutes. That's business, ome way or the other. I was being sarcastic that some people go that route instead of being openly gay and proud of it. Save face, or save an image first doesn't cut it with me. I didn't mean to stoop to troll level. My brother is gay. No better man on earth.

Sorry but the my brother is gay statement is extremely patronizing. It is the same as stating, oh I have nothing against a (fill in the blank) person. I have a friend who is (fill in the blank).
Truth: I'm A Russian Jew but what if I made the following statement? I'm a Russian Jew but I have nothing against Irish Catholics. My sister goes to school with one or two. Sounds demeaning and patronizing, doesn't it?
As soon as you put a label on someone everything changes.

I dont think anyone on this thread was trying to be homophobic, in reality it could be argued that remaining closeted and choosing image over your true self is somewhat homophobic. A lot of actors and politicians have made this choice and it seems to always be a double edged sword that ends up injuring the family living in ignorance with the man and the gay community because if it werent shameful (which it isnt) then why was he hiding it. And now I suppose this will make you say I am racist but I can compare it to a Muslim who hates Americans trying to pass for a Military patriot just to get by and when you do things like that, live your whole life denying what you are maybe you switch it up, start blaming the people around you, telling yourself that its THEM they are making you live the lie, its all THEIR fault not yours. Long term anger like that can cause severe internal damage and a woman can get killed, innoncent soldiers can die

Question?
Are you Gay?

lol no just one of those annoying far left liberals who tries to walk the increasingly shaky line of political correctness. Its very hard to criticize someone if you support certain things. I wish Wagner werent gay because everytime I start writing about that part of his life I come up against my own fear of hurting the feelings of gay people and our country has gotten both more openly homophobic and racist.

More than anything I dont want to be a part of that, I hate him because he killed a beautiful woman and got away with it, the other part...yeah I am uncomfortable with, but thats my own stuff sorry, its a lot easier these days to be openly unkind to minorites than to go the other direction. Its like now that we have our wonderful president there is a backlash. I wish Wagner were a heterosexual murderer instead lol. Sorry again this was long just trying to explain why I bend over backwards to not sound homophobic which then probably ends up making me sound exactly that.

I said the ignorant comment about male prostitutes. Yup, I have a gay brother. I only told that because I was misunderstood as a gay basher of which I'm not. I don't even think of my bro as gay. I think of him as my brother and that's it. I was trying to say that it's better to not hide being gay as some people do. They have wives but hire young male prostitutes to hide behind saving face, protecting a job or an image. They should just let it be. That's all I meant. Don't sneak around and be what you are, and let others be what they are.

Until you walk in the shoes of others...