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Vlad's Official View Of The Dinghy "Theory"

January 10 2008 at 4:00 PM
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Okay, Frank (a.k.a. Vlad), you have the floor, sir...

 
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January 11 2008, 2:30 PM 

The dinghey banging up against the boat and Natalie falling in the water trying to tie it down scenerio is propaganda. First of all Natalie was not ready for bed her jewerly was not totally taken off, she had no underware on, she had not taken a sleeping pill which she took religiously took for many years. Natalie was so wasted on booze and pills why would she even be worried about the dinghey? all she wanted to do was pass out. Natalie was interruped while preparing for bed by RJ it was round two of their fight. I mean come on do you actually think she would go up on a cold wet deck with no shoes on to re-tie a dinghey? LOL. If you want to solve the real truth on how Natalie died then you have to find out how she got into the water. Did she fall in? was she pushed in? did she jump in? did she get into the dinghey to leave and fall out?. You figure that out and you have solved the case. I will never believe that it happened the way Noguchi and the LAPD said it did and I am not alone.

 
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January 11 2008, 3:27 PM 

she took off all her jewelry except for her rings. no bracelet, no necklace, just rings. she was intoxicated but took only 2 pills..seasickness and pain. you are exaggerating. maybe she was going to take the sleeping pill but had not done as such yet. we don't know. now, the shoes could have fallen off in the water, possible. she was wearing wool socks. maybe the banging of the dinghy disturbed her. we don't know. it's not an impossibility. she may very well have fallen in the water, she was not going anywhere dressed in a nightgown. she was in the restaurant braiding the hair of 2 kids. she was not totally gone on booze. she was drunk, but she was still coherent enough to have a conversation with those kids and to braid their hair..you have to look at the full picture.
could she have been pushed?...of course. but it is just as probable that she fell. the dinghy had never been started, the oars were secured, the ignition had not been started and there were fingernail indentations in the side of the dinghy. she fell or she was pushed. i am not a wagner defender by any stretch of the imagination..but i do not believe that he pushed her in the water but i do believe that when he went to "check" on her, she was there. i believe he saw her before she died. i believe that some of what davern said may be true but he altered his story too many times...i have seen him lie and conspire to tell a different story.
the way noguchi and the lapd said it did?...they did not know. all they said was that it was an accidental drowning.

 
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January 11 2008, 3:58 PM 

No Vlad you are certainly not alone. Natalie did not die as "official" reports say.

 
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January 11 2008, 10:28 PM 

What does her not having panties on have to do with anything? She probably didn't sleep with any on, anyway. My ex-wife never did, either. (She knew what was coming from me, maybe, that's why! LOL Well, that's before she cheated on me and left me.)

You cannot discount Peggy Griffin's testimony that she and Natalie always re-tied the dinghy. I haven't gotten into the part yet about Dennis Davern phoning Lana to claim R.J. pushed Natalie into the water, or that she fell and he just left her there. First question: how did Davern get Lana's phone number? I doubt anyone volunteered that information to him.

p.s. Vlad, learn to spell "dinghy" the right way. There's no "e" in that word.

 
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January 12 2008, 12:07 AM 

what davern told lana is in the dark water chapter of finstad's book.

 
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January 12 2008, 8:24 AM 

I know, I skimmed it over, but today I will really read it.

 
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January 12 2008, 8:35 PM 

Well, Vlad...what about Peggy Griffin's testimony about she witnessing Natalie messing with the dinghy on several occassions?

Is she lying? Why would she?

 
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January 12 2008, 9:16 PM 

i believe peggy griffin. she had nothing to gain by lying and her loyalty was to natalie. i say that because some of their friends had a loyalty to RJ also.

 
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January 13 2008, 8:31 AM 

Well, Vlad?

 
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January 16 2008, 9:35 AM 

Either Finstadt or Lambert said she also had a belly chain around her waist.

 
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January 16 2008, 10:40 AM 

in the autopsy report all that was reported was that she had rings on her fingers. no bracelet, no other jewelry but who knows?

 
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January 17 2008, 8:59 AM 

Items recovered from her body was a waist chain, no other jewerly.

 
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January 17 2008, 9:03 AM 

She was wearing rings on her fingers.

 
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January 17 2008, 2:25 PM 

Rings, waste chains Vlad say ok. This just supports Vlad's theory that she was not ready for bed did she have her bracelet on? NO which means she was interupted or something do you see what Vlad is trying to say? yes

 
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January 17 2008, 3:04 PM 

but what screams "ready for bed" is the nightgown she was wearing. She was getting ready to settle down for the night, whether she was going to sleep or read, which she did a great deal of on The Splendour, she was getting ready for bed. what happened after that, none of us know for certain.

 
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January 18 2008, 2:38 PM 

What is ready for bed? When you are ready for bed, ready to get under the covers and go a sleep or read. Natalie was not ready for bed and was not disturbed out of her bed, she was disturbed while getting ready to retire. If she was actually in bed for the evening she would have taken her sleeping pills like she did every night since 1957.Natalie also would never wear her rings to bed. Vlad has photos from magazine of Natalie in bed and no rings. Furthermore a moviestar does not wear a nightgown, wool sock and no underware to bed. Natalie would never be seen like that by anyone especially with Walken on board.

 
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January 18 2008, 3:20 PM 

i did not say she was in bed. i said she was getting ready to settle down for the night. if she was not, she would have been found in clothing... natalie was very casual on the boat. "a movie star does not wear a nightgown"...LOL. well, she was wearing one with wool socks. she was on a boat. she was casual on the boat, very, sweatshirts, shorts, jeans...i'm sure she felt that the only person who would be seeing her in her stateroom is rj who has seen her like that many times. she would never appear in public like that but on her boat, her refuge for privacy, sure she would. as for the rings, what natalie did once, she may have done differently other times especially in posed pictures. as for no underwear, many women sleep with no underwear. we have no way of knowing what her habits were as far as that is concerned. no one is saying that she was not disturbed as she was getting ready to retire. the point is WE DON'T KNOW, WE WILL NEVER KNOW FOR SURE...it's all speculation. everyone adds something to the pot but no one knows...i am very active in the natalie wood fan arena. i have my own private website. you would be astonished at some of the theories that people have. the bottom line is, none of us KNOWS anything for certain as far as how she ended up in the water and I doubt we ever will.

 
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January 18 2008, 5:39 PM 

I agree with Anon. We will never know the truth. I believe that we have been told as much as we will ever be told.

 
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January 22 2008, 10:42 AM 

Nonsense. Vlad disagrees. Natalie would never look less than perfect even for bed especially with Walken on the boat yes. I do not care if you have 10 websites, if Vlad say white you say black if Vlad say black you say white. This mystery will be solved, this is one of Vlads life long ambition. Something else happened that night you yes cannot see beyond your noses, Vlad can. Wake up.

 
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January 22 2008, 6:45 PM 

vlad sees nothing. natalie was in her stateroom in a nightgown. why would she not let walken see her in a nightgown. if she did see him she would probably put a robe on. she would do nothing different with walken on board than any other man. she had to wear something to bed. she was in a nightgown, what's wrong with a nightgown, she was not going to slip into a teddy cause walken was there. please....there were man on that boat all the time. she wore what she wore any other night. you don't have the capabilities to solve this. your mind is closed. you refuse to see that it COULD be something other than what your tabloid mind wants it to be.
you call yourself a fan. do you actually think you are doing her a favor with all of this...let her rest in peace. we will never know what really happened...perhaps you need to wake up. you have no conception of what she was really like. all you have is what you have created in your mind. you are way off.

 
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January 22 2008, 6:39 PM 

May I please have the address of that website?

I mean, if you're gonna advertise it, let's see it.

 
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