On Friday November 27, 1981 as a result of an arguement between Natalie and RJ, Natalie checked into a Catalina Hotel reserving 2 rooms. Witnesses say Natalie and Davern spent the night in her room drinking wine and smoking pot. Other witnesses say that Walken checked in and out with Natalie. Other witnesses say that Davern was seen leaving Natalie's room and Walken was seen going into Natalie's room a short time later. One fact is the second room was un-touched. What really happened??

A local Catalina person said that he gave Natalie and Walken a ride to the bay where RJ move boat to on Saturady morning. Does Vlad answer your question? Vlad know.

I was told by someone who worked closely with Walken's wife that Walken stayed with Wagner. Davern went with Natalie. Davern went back to the boat to get something that Natalie wanted. It had something to do with crocheting and Davern saw Wagner and Walken having oral sex in Wagner's stateroom. Wagner saw him, threatened him. Walken wanted to leave the boat but Wagner insisted that he stay because he did not want to arouse Natalie's suspicions or validate anything that Davern might tell her. The next day Wagner said he was sorry about the argument. He also took Davern aside and begged him not to tell Natalie. He offered him money. I have always believed that Davern revealed Wagner's indiscretion to Natalie in the midst of an argument on the boat and that is what lead to her death. This is why Wagner and Walken have been so quiet concerning Natalie's death and, in all likelihood, why Walken and his wife are still together. Wagner has threatened Dennis Davern to gain his silence. Someday these secrets will be told.

Very interesting scenerio, does your friend of Walken's wife know anything else?

Well, it was inferred that Wagner sent Davern with Natalie because he wanted to be alone with Walken, that he got vibes from Walken. He made the first move. Wagner's marriage to Jill St. John is a sham. He likes young men. She likes money. Natalie thought that Wagner was through with those leanings but in the last year of their marriage Natalie suspected that he was sleeping with a mutual male friend who was also married to a woman. That is what lead to some of the friction between them. He kept denying it, but she wanted to believe it. How sad for that her.

What I meant to say was that she wanted to believe that he was telling the truth.

Interesting. So RJ had the hots for Walken but so did Natalie, it is a known fact that she flirted with Walken that weekend to the max. Could they have both been fighting for Walkens affections?

I was told that Natalie became flirtatious after she had a few glasses of wine and after RJ made a comment about the way a man in the Doug's Harbor Reef looked at her. A young guy smiled at her and Wagner got pissed. Wagner was jealous of every man who paid her the least bit of attention. Could be that he was jealous of the attention that she got from men because he wanted the attention from the men for himself.

now isn't this interesting?

RJ gay? LOL Natalie was the gay one, with all her gay friends, lipstick lesbian? isn't that what they called her.

Hmmm.....there hasn't been this much traffic about a single topic from this many different posters in such a short time frame EVER on this board. Leads me to believe this thread and all the postings in it (not including this one, of course) are work of a single individual. Rumor mongering? On this board? Perish the thought!

another wagner fan on board. natalie was 100% heterosexual. wagner was the one with the gay rumors following him all his life and he is the one who apparently slept with walken

michael, i agree with you on this. too much all of a sudden. when i saw this i thought that someone was starting rumors but too be honest wagner's bi-sexuality goes back to the 50s. natalie had many gay male friends but she liked men. wagner liked-likes both.

The post about duplicates wasn't Michael, it was me - Anonymous Jerk.

Don't flatter that jerk with my name!

I don't usually comment on such trash, anyway, especially when there are unnamed sources and accusations that cannot be, or are not, verified. In Suzanne Finstad's book, she names all her sources - for good or bad. So, anyone who makes posts here claiming this person said this, or that person told me that..., well, why believe 'em?

WOW how did we get from my original question to here? Someone was in the room with Natalie that night.

Walken bi? that's a new one.

Rumors about Walkens's sexuality have been rampant for many years and to this day.

this "witness" saw this, this person gave this person a ride. this person said this. without names all of the above means nothing. anyone can say anyone said anything or saw anything. i can say that someone told me that lee harvey oswald acted alone. powerful statement without a name to give it value, in other words, it's gossip, garbage.

I agree.

Come back when you name your sources that can be verified.

Now that approach DOES instill confidence....

Huh?

The fact that you told someone that you need a named source instills confidence. As opposed to the way you've bit on rumors in the past.

I didn't bite on those rumors just because I listened to them. I have to hear all sides, which include the wrong ones, too, from time-to-time. How else can I be objectionable if I only heard one or two sides to this mystery?

It doesn't mean I believe or agree with all of them.

I will answer your question Michael. For just this once I will speak out of my native tongue.

On the 27 November 1981 Natalie and ? stayed the night at the Pavilion Lodge in Avalon. RJ moved the boat to Isthmus Cove some 12 or so miles away and anchored, the boat never left the cove until early noon when they went for a cruise. Next morning on the 28 a local, I would guess a cab driver or some sort of transportation person told investagators he gave moviestars Natalie Wood and Christopher Walken a ride to Two Harbors boat dock.

The police no care about this information, all they care about is what happened that night. To Vlad what lead up to Natalie's death is very important. If it was indeed Walken this should have showed the police that the weekend was filled with rage, emotion, drinking, and fighting which led to the death of my angel.

This rumor about Davern go back to the boat to get something for Natalie and find Walken and RJ together is not correct, the boat was on it's way to Two Harbors.

So, when Vlad say "Vlad know" Vlad really does know. Vlad know.

vlad is making this up as he goes along. it's sounds like something from the enquirer. it probably is from the enquirer. vlad has no way of knowing who told anyone anything. and it was davern who stayed with natalie at the pavilion lodge..it's funny because in a previous post vlad called the hotel by another name. i posted that it was the pavilion lodge...before that vlad had not a clue what the name of the hotel was...now he tries to sound like he has all this inside knowledge...he has nothing... it's strange, too, that when vlad used to speak like the rest of us he was one of the biggest supporters of the rumor that wagner and walken were seen by natalie in a sexual situation and it led to her death....Vlad know nothing. vlad make up stories. vlad the most annoying presence on this board...."the death of my angel"....if vlad had any respect for his "angel" he would stop making up this crap. i think vlad likes attention.

Vlad - what the heck are you trying to say? Taking a cab "showed the police that the weekend was filled with rage, emotion, drinking, and fighting..." What? Huh?

lolol

Well, first of all, I didn't ask a question, unless you count that "Huh?"

Second, I wish you'd forgo the fake accent all the time, Frank. Thanks for the info., though.

p.s. I can't say I believe Walken would harm Natalie. He had no reason to, unless, I guess, she rejected his affections. There's no proof of this, so anything else is pure speculation.

You say you can't "believe Walken would harm Natalie. He had no reason to, unless, I guess, she rejected his affections. There's no proof of this, so anything else is pure speculation." Yet, based on some of your previous postings, you believe that Wagner could have harmed her? What is the evidence there? Isn't that also "pure speculation"? Just curious how you square the two. Or does it just come down to your hatred of Wagner?

Again (sigh) I'm not defending Wagner. I'm trying to look at this objectively and see no evidence that ANY person on the boat harmed Natalie.

No comment, except to ask you why you feel the need to quote nearly my entire message?

I know what I said. Can't you just briefly refer to it without re-writing the entire thing? Geez!

Because I'm responding to a specific portion of your post. You and I are not the only ones reading this board, so someone else may not be familar with what you said and what I'm responding to. It's called - being thorough.

I noticed, though, that you typically did not respond to my point, instead choosing to make an issue of how my post was constructed. Are you a politican? You duck issues well enough to be one.

I no longer discuss Natalie with you. It's in my best interest not to.

LOLOLOL. I ask you a legitimate question in a reasonable way (no flamming - which I've never done, BTW) and you take your ball and go home. How mature. However, your lack of response is clearly your answer.

Neither did you dispute my statement that Walken had no reason to harm Natalie. You, instead, responded with a question.

Of course I didn't dispute it; I agree with it.

I can't believe this nonsense at this place. I wandered in and I want to wander out, but this is incredibly funny stuff. Who are you people? Is there anyone serious here? I was looking up something about dinghies and this is where I landed. Each one of you should throw your computers into the trash. But, thanks for the modnight laugh.

when one google's "dinghy" this is not what comes up.

Then why ask me later why I don't suspect Christopher Walken?

Why ask me later that, Mr. Anonymous?

As for that "wanderer," scram! We are aliens, that's who we "people" are! Now go away or we'll zap you with our laser guns!