I have read everything published about Natalie's death. I felt uneasy after reading Finstad's book Natasha, but it rang true. As for the Vanity Fair article, it was uncomfortable, but it also rang true. Lambert's book clearly blamed Natalie and her mental state of mind for all the woes in her life and for her own death. I was highly disappointed.
I ordered Goodbye Natalie, Goodbye Splendour because I feel we are on the brink of truth, finally, about what happened the night the wonderful, gorgeous, talented Natalie left us. I think this book will be the one that allows the chips to fall where they may.
I think that a small, and sometimes large, part of us always knew we had never learned all of the truth about what transpired that November night.
I am looking forward to Goodbye Natalie, Goodbye Splendour like I've never looked forward to a book before. I hope I won't be disappointed, but for some reason, I feel as if I will finally be satisfied.
I do not automatically think or believe that Davern is the only one we can trust, but I highly suspect we're going to get answers from the only one who has nothing to lose. People here who say he's doing it for money: what do you think RJ wrote his book for? It was a clear case of an opportunity to profit from his deceased wife. I happened to notice between the lines in RJ's book, too, that some guilt was expelled. Maybe Davern has some guilt to expell...and hopefully, finally, some truth. I can't wait to see.

Your're a jackass, you assuming pompas bitch. " I ordered the book and finally the truth will come out" how do you know the truth lies in that book, unless you're in on it. I know who you are, promote your garbage somewhere else, perhaps Natchat or the Marti Rulli Blog...jackass.

How do you know the book is lies? Wagner's book is the truth? Who are you joking? Wagner is the liar so go back to your dumb rj group with thast one.

And why would you attack her in that manner? Calling he pompous and the like?For crying out loud, Joanne!

pompas? "pre printing copy"?


I can see that this website does not attract members of Mensa International.

Are you sure you aren't referring to your Mother? She is the only POMPAS BITCH I know.

my-my, a bit defensive and testy, aren't we "Joanne"????? You call someone a jackass who is interested in reading a book? LOL, I suppose the "truth" is already beginning to do what we all know it sometimes does: HURTS!

suck butt! clear enough for you?

you suck and so does RJ.

Did you really write that post? If you did you are a sick bitch. You go on that worthless RJgroup with those old bags still pissing their girdles over Robert Wagner and you play all innocent then you come here and show your true colors. I can't wait for the book Goodbye Natalie Goodbye Splendor to come out so miserable wet crotches like you and those bags on the RJgroup will know exactly how much of a bastard your darling Wagner is. I hope Rulli holds nothing back.

IF this book is published the Wagners will have factual responses for every one of Daverns claims. IF this book is published the Wagner legal team WILL obtain a pre printing copy for approval. The odds are way against this book ever hitting the shelf.

Wagners

Vlad is that you again or is it your buddy RJWfan1? LOL The Wagners? Oh that is rich. Like if the Wagners were involved in any way they would post here?
Poor simple minded sloths!
LOL LOL LOL
LMFAO

The Wagners don't own Natalie. Anyone can write about Natalie. If that's what Davern stuck to, I doubt "the Wagners" can do say he can't. But even if they try, they couldn't stop Natasha and that was an independent biography. Everyone has the right to tell about their own life. Including Davern. Maybe if Wagner hadn't filled his book with half the story, Davern would've stayed away. Maybe he wanted to stay away, but needed to do what every red-blooded man would do under such bizarre verbal attack the likes of people like you invade this man's privacy with. He's fighting back, and I would bet with the best weapon in the world: TRUTH.

Rulli admits here that the book will not confirm your murder scenarios. LMFAO!!!

http://martirulli.blogspot.com/

All of you have not read it yet. You are all jumping to conclusions and assumptions.
Ridiculous

Goodbye Natalie Goodbye Splendour should be discussed after we know what's in this book. Personally, I believe Davern deserves his turn. There is as much innuendo about Davern as there is about Wagner. Wagner had his chance. Now it's Davern's turn. We all can sort it out and then believe what we want to believe after hearing both sides. It is, after all, word against word.
I ordered Goodbye Natalie, Goodbye Splendour, and I haven't looked forward to receiving a copy of a pre-ordered book since the DaVinci Code. That's how much Natalie meant to me, but I am keeping an open mind. See you in September.

Wagner had his turn, Davern will have his say, so this leaves one man left, Walken. I guess it will be Walken who will be the only one to set things straight. I wonder how long if ever we will have to wait for that info. Let's face it we will never know what happened that night, never, never, never.

Walken was in his stateroom. And he will stay in his stateroom, if you get my drift. He had made two statements that differed. He seems to want to distance himself from this. If he had to, I think he would support Wagner because Wagner spoke well of him in his book after accusing him of sleeping with his wife in Lambert's book about Natalie. Walken will support Wagner because Wagner, in all likelihood, asked him to if the time ever came that he was asked to put his two cents in. Wagner christened Walken a gentleman. Walken will christen RJ innocent. One has to be very naive if they feel otherwise.

Or, it's possible, if Davern exonerates Walken, Walken might jump on that opportunity to be cleared of any part in what occured that night. I think we're going to hear that Wagner is the numer one person behind the events of that night. If, and it's a big if, Davern can pull this off with credibility, Walken may have no choice but to come forth with what he does and does not know.
We all, deep down, if not on the surface, know that Natalie didn't get drunk and fall off her boat. Something out of the ordidnary happened that night and I think Davern has been trying to tell us for a long, long time, but instead, a blame the messenger attitude sent him into hiding, and Wagner helped that attitude along by great measure. In Wagner's book, it's as if Davern is completely non-existent. The man who identified his wife, who most likely lied for him, was non-existent. Wagner told us more with his avoidance of Davern than he did with all his others words. We've got a Tsunami forming, readers. I think it's heading right toward Wagner.

There's and old, actually ancient saying: NEVER say never!

Well said GNGS anticipator

I think Marti Rulli is the one to watch, and I mean that in a good way. You all talk about Davern, but I would guess that Rulli did some homework on this. It's not likely she would have been published if she fed any publisher garbage. This is going to be interesting to watch unfold. Hollywood, new and old can't hide anymore. For people who want to go into show business these days, they have to be prepared for Big Brother. Wagner just missed when Big Brother really started watching. He must have been in an altered state if he really did have something to do with Natalie's death, because there were two other men on board, and there were other boaters nearby. I hope he gets what he deserves, whether that be good or bad.

I'm keeping an open mind here for this reason; I heard Marti Rulli has really done here homework on this. She made sure of it because of some sort of interview back in the 1990s when she and Davern where thrown to the wolves by the big network boys and Robert Wagner's legal team.
At the time, supposedly Rulli and Davern didn't know any better but Rulli has been working on this book for years.
I don't think she'd throw in a lot of fabrications that can be disputed like all the other books on Natalie Wood including the one Wagner wrote. I also don't think she'd leave herself open to legal wrangling from Wagner's side.
Like I said, I'm keeping an open mind to this because I think Rulli is one tough cookie and she won't be trifled with this time. Years, age and the learning experience do that to us.

I will wait until I read this book to form my final opinion on this matter. As I said earlier, only if he is pressured will Walken get involved.
I feel that there is more to Natalie's death than we have been told. So much of what we have been told has not made a great deal of sense. We are not talking about a canoe. We are talking about a 60 foot boat. We are talking about November, very cold water. I don't buy the story about Natalie going to re-tie the dinghy. It was dark, it was cold. She would have asked Davern to do such a chore, especially at night, especially since it was November, especially with her fear of dark water.
I look forward to this book. I hope Wagner does not stop publication as several of his fans have threatened. In my mind that means that he has something to hide because he has no idea what Davern will say. I imagine there may be a few things that Wagner would like to hide that Davern may reveal. Wagner guards his sexuality with more gusto than he guards Natalie's reputation. He seems to be very uptight at the slightest inference that he may be bi-sexual. After reading the Gavin Lambert book I was astounded at how Lambert shoved Wagner's heterosexuality down the throat of the reader. I believe Lambert was instructed to take that road. Maybe Wagner's sexuality will be revealed by Davern. I could care less, but Mr. Wagner seems to care a great deal. Who knows, maybe Natalie caught Wagner coming on to Walken.

I totally agree with you Reed.
I don't think Robert Wagner will stop this book? How would it look for him. What is he hiding? I don't think Rulli and her team are extremely concerned with this or they more than likely would have kept a very low profile which they have not. Which tends to make me believe what she is putting into print even more. She is not running away. I'd heard she was someone to be reckoned with.
I also agree with you about the Lambert book. How strange that an OUT writer such as Lambert would shove Wagner's raging heterosexuality down the readers throats when most know Wagner was part of his Gay agent's stable of male starlets in the 1950s and everyone has heard the rumor that Natalie Wood caught Wagner with a man and that is what broke up their first marriage.

I believe that Wagner asked Lambert to write Natalie's biography to answer some of the questions that the "Natasha" author raised about Wagner. Wagner used Natalie's biography to defend himself. Earlier this week I had an interesting dialog with a person who felt that Lambert took liberties in his book. Well, if he did, he did so with Wagner's OK. It was obvious that Wagner was looking over Lambert's shoulder in certain areas of the book.
The "Natasha" author pushed the limits in her book but I don't believe she would have written the story about why the first marriage ended had she not had a verifiable source. Why would she say such a thing if it were not true? If she wanted to make up stories, she could have said ANYTHING. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing that Wagner is bi-sexual. I question his paranoia about it and that is how he came off in Lambert's book, paranoid about the public thinking he is nothing but 100% heterosexual.
How nice to have a communication with a person who does not call himself, "Anonymous"
I was shocked to find so much animosity here. I thought I would find people who were fans of Miss Wood who wanted to discuss how she lost her life. Instead, I found a rather rabid group of Wagner fans who seem hell bent on defending him. Some of them are rather colorful but lacking in even basic intelligence. The most perceptive and rational people here seem to be Miss Wood's fans. The rest appear to have some sort of vendetta. The foul language, the insults.
I am here is discuss Miss Wood's tragic death. She was the most beautiful woman on the planet and seemed to be so nice, so sweet, almost untouched by her Hollywood existence. She seemed so real. The same cannot be said about Wagner. Having seen him in numerous interviews he appears to be rather plastic.

Reed,
Thank you for the post. Appreciated.
I certainly hate to always agree but once again I defer. You are right about Lambert's book. Many times while reading it I felt as though I was reading an homage to the masculinity of Robert Wagner and a condemnation of Natalie Wood.
Now, let me state I do not dislike Robert Wagner. I don't know him. I rather enjoyed some of his films and TV series so I'm not an RJ hater by any means.
I've read so much on Natalie Wood's life and her tragic end and nothing ever seems to add up to me. No two stories are ever consistent other than Wagner's basic I don't know but I assume attitude. How can that be? He was there.
That is why I am leaving a totally open mind to this new book which is coming out.
This site with it's anonymous posts or weird titled post-ers scathingly denouncing Marti Rulli, Dennis Davern and at times Robert Wagner and Natalie Wood are reprehensible.
I was visiting one of the Natalie Groups of which I am a member and the other members were actually siding with Wagner. One member actually wanted to know if it was a Natalie Group or an RJ Group?
How can this be? A true Natalie Wood fan would keep an open mind and wait for all the facts to be presented. People are judging something they have not read one word of yet.
I do not think Marti Rulli would leave one single "i" undotted or a "t" uncrossed. I've heard it has taken her literally years to put this book together because she went over each chapter, each paragraph, each sentence, in short, every word with a fine toothed comb. Checking and re checking each sourse.
I will wait for the book and form my own opinion.
Good to finally post with someone who doesn't have an agenda and can put a sentence together without the usual diatribe of rants and profanity.
Eduardo

How do you know what Marti Rulli would do and not do. You are assuming things about an unpublished book you have never seen. Re-think your post.

and so are you.

Whomever Joanne is.
I am not discussing this with you. I was discussing this with one of the only people (Reed) on this board that has intelligence minus the depraved language and in your face attitude of my way or no way. If you want to have an adult conversation by all means that is fine with me but your other posts including the one I am responding too which are filled with rudeness and crudeness will be ignored by me from this post forward.
At no time was I rude to you nor was I conversing with you. From what I have read you certainly leave much to be desired in the brain cavity of which yours seems to be void.

Now that I have your attention!

Joanne, are you here again? I can smell the faint aroma of anchovies and the cats are hovering around the computer!

I'm here what of it. You are not Vlad, you don't have what it takes to be a real man.

Joanne! I knew I smelled anchovies! Whew! Can you stand downwind please! Or close your legs at least! Dang girl! You are kicking up some foul smells today!

Vlad is on imdb reciting the lyrics to the old paul davis song about natalie wood. Now tell me Vlad is a real man.
You are not the Joanne from the RJ Yahoo list site. She would never come on here and say those things. You and I have no respect for anyone and I admit it but Joanne does. I wonder how she would like to know what you are saying about her on here?

One more thing Vlad is gone from this site, did you not read the wagners post. Pay attention you poor excuse.

BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shut up joanne and go back to your rjlist where they drool over him.