I have read everything I could get my hands on about Natalie Wood's death and I am looking forward to this new book coming out. Every book or article or interview always has contradictory statements but that is to be expected I guess. Everyone sees things differently.
I have one major problem though. Some writing say it was a parka. Others say a Jacket. Still others say a down jacket. The only constant is in the color. Red.
I'm going to go by the police report and the Coroner's Office because they both said it was a red down jacket. It seems to be the only consistency I've found but I'm not sure of that either but I'll go with it for now.
Can someone please explain to me how this down jacket could have pulled Natalie Wood under water when that is the fierst thing the rescue team saw from the helicopter? If it was water logged it would have sunk. Correct?
Down floats. Have you ever washed a down comforter or anything down. It constantly raises to the surface. It's actually a laundry nightmare and the only way to properly wash down in in a front loading washing machine.
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Down floats period. When Mrs. Wagner was found she was in the upright position floating with her face down in the water. Although the coroners report "claimed" that she had water in her lungs, Mrs. wagner did not drown in the sense of going under, she died of hypothermia.
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I'm sorry but I do not buy that. Please explain why you are using the word "claim" in regards to an official document. Also why is the down jacket adressed as many descriptions?
Natalie Wood died of Hypothermia? What you are telling me was no water was found in her lungs what so ever?
I'm not trying to be argumentative here but I've noticed your other posts are very strong on name calling and all the other childhood gibberish I spoke of including the last few where you speak of same sex affairs and totally off the wall scenarios. Also, I am registered and logged in. You are not in your response to me nor any others which certainly does not give credence to your theory.
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I went back over some exceptional sources I've read in the past. They state that she died from accidental drowning brought on by hypothermia which rendered her unconscious. This means water would have been found in her lungs because she was not dead before her face went under the water.
In hindsight, that was not my question. My question concerns the red jacket. Certain writers call it a parka, others just a jacket. If it was either it would have weighed the 40 or 50 pounds claimed and it would have weighed her down below the water. If it was down it would not have become water logged as stated, it would not have weighed 40 to 50 pounds and it certainly would not still be floating above the surface.
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There was water in lungs. Of course she drowned. She did suffer hypothermia which lead to the drowning. There was a pinkish froth coming from her mouth and nose which is indicative of water in the lungs and consciousness before the drowning.
The weight of the jacket when wet was an assumption by Noguchi. He did not weight the jacket.
Down does indeed float. The down is what kept her above water.
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LOLOLLOL you cannot have water in you lungs and then die LOL she died of hypothermia, the froth is from the heart attact she had due to the hypothermia, if there was any water in her lungs she sucked it in with her last breath when she passed out.
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Now she died from a HEART ATTACK? Arwe you a total fool? Show us a report where that comes from. The guy asked about a jacket and you want us to believe she died of a heart attack. You sound like all the other fools on here including Vlad, Joanne and Gordon.
Get the hell out of here.
Hear Attack! ROFL stupid ass
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Heart Attack? She did not have a heart attack, she had an arrhythmia. That is very different from a heart attack. And the foam is a result of a drowning victim trying to hold their breath and then finally they can no longer do so, they inhale and swallow the water. From that the victim is found with a pinkish foam emitting from the nose and mouth. When a suspected drowning victim is murdered and then put in the water, there is no foam because there was no breathing. The arrhythmia occurs when the victim's body tries to fight the drowning. That has nothing to do with the foam.
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These people on this site are crazy. I just read that Robert Wagner was Paul Newman's lover. Why would a handsome guy like Newman want an ugly azz guy like Wagner? Maybe mini me but Paul Newman? No way.
I asked a civil question and logged in to ask it and I get crazy responses like a heart attack by someone that thinks they are Thomas Noguchi.
Why bother?
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"you cannot have water in your lungs and then die" What the hell does that mean? Most drowning victims and Miss Wood was a drowning victim, have water in their lungs. Drowning is suffocation caused by water entering the lungs. She did not have a heart attack, she had an arrhythmia.
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I've noticed I wasn't logged in for my two previousd posts. Sorry about that. I just want everyone to know that they are my posts and I'm 100% on the level here.
If you are not registered and logged in I won't bother reading your posts because it is probably name calling and gibberish anyway.
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I am not logged in but I am just as serious as you, "Y". You have a good point about a lot of things. Maybe the new book will answer a lot of these good questions. I'm sure hoping for that. In regards to drowning, whoever was posting here about heart attacks...most all victims who drowm suffer a heart attack. It's the last part of the drowning process. You can verify that on any serch engine (google, ask.com...wikipedia: heart attacks are part of drowing. They usually aren't listed as the "cause" of drowming because the cause is obvious: can't breathe under water....water can be sucked into the lungs in several ways, but heart attacks are definitely associated with drowning. Yes, many things were not answered in reference to Natalie's death, but I doubt you will find the answers here. It's a shame it has taken so long for people to care enough to ask: the Internet has helped that for serious people. Maybe there can be a public outcry for more information about the questions you ask. Maybe the new book will help that along. We have to wait and se.. I'm looking forward to it, too.
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but it is not a true heart attack as we know them. What occurs is the lack of oxygen in the lungs causes the heart to stop beating. When this occurs that victim goes into cardiac arrest which is very different from a heart attack.
I look forward to the book in hopes of clearing up all of this confusion.
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To answer your question about the 'different' ways the jacket was described: they're not necessarily different, it's just 'down jacket' is more specific. A down jacket is still a jacket, and some might even call it a parka. You're right to go with the official reports that more specifically tell us it was a down jacketey. Others calling it a parka or jacket are just using more general terms, rather than contradicting that the jacket was down.
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I think the original post wanted to know more about the down than if it was called a jacket or parka. It could have been a poly filled jacket or parka or ulined or many other synthetic fillers which would have become water logged and sank rather than float. Down floats no matter how wet it gets.
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Natalie wore a down jacket. Not a parka, not a vest, not a coat. A plain old down jacket. She was found floating because of it. Wagner probably hoped she would sink.
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Yeah, what poor planning for such a cunning murderer. I'm sure he asked Davern to fill it with bricks before he tossed her overboard but Dennis just forgot. Or maybe Wagner didn't pay him enough to do it. Either way, I'm sure we'll read all about it in The Book.
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There was nothing cunning about Wagner's actions that night. He was just a miserable, evil, son-of-a-b too drunk to be cunning. Only his evilness came through. Can't wait to read The Book. I bet you can't either.
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All four persons that night were drunk, and some on drugs. A sound decision could not be made by any of them. Again, if the captain Davern was doing his job Natalie Wood would still be alive. One can't single out Wagner as the drunk one that night. A life could have been saved if the one in charge (Davern) was dong his job.
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And I suppose a captain is supposed to override his boss? Acording to Davern in previous interviews, he WANTED to help. He WANTED to search for Natalie. He WANTED to stop them from fighting. Wagner sent him away and told him to butt out. Now, does that sound like a non-evil man who wanted to help his wife? Natalie might be alive today if WAGNER wasn't so evil. Her death had nothing to do with the captain. If it did, I'm sure Wagner wouldn't have coddled Davern for years after. That's the facts. Chew on them.
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Where did you get that information from? Certainly not Davern because it is an admission of guilt that could end him up in prison. It's an admission. Also Davern, a man who was in love with Natalie certainly would not let her die, unless.................
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Gordon you are an idiot. Go back to the RJlist with those crazy broads.
Wagner was her husband. Wagner owned the boat. It was Wagner's responsibilty to maker sure she was OK. Stop blaming everyone. You even blamed Natalie for her own death.
Put the blame where it belongs. RIGHT AT THAT MISERABLE SELFISH SON OF A B*TCH'S DOOR=ROBERT MURDERER WAGNER!
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natashacourtney (yentruocahsatan) seems to have disappeared...the big name who SIGN'S IN! Didn't quite stir up what you had intended, huh? People aren't stupid. I can't stand people who underestimate other people. Basically, everyone knows there are lots of little and major details surrounding Wood's death that need be answered. Why not wait and see what's coming? Then, I'm sure we'll all have lots to talk about and consider.
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Yeah, I know who it is. Another grandstander who thinks that's the big thing. LOL, wait until the big thing hits! Only Davern and Wagner know what really happened (and Natalie but she's gone), and from the description at Amazon, sure seems Rulli did her homework. It says this new book is painstakingly researched. I can't wait. I really can't wait. This summer is dragging by. I waited since Nov. 1981 for this answer. I hope they reopen this case. I wonder if Rulli talked to Rasure. That's one of the most important things. I sure hope so.
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Excuse me but I am right here and I am logged in. I asked a question. A simple logical question. I stirred nothing up. I can not help it if people take a simple honest question flip it around, squeeze all meaning from it and make their own agenda out of it.
Yes, my screen name is NatashaCourtney inverted. So what? It certainly is a hell of a lot better than Anonymous or some of the other absurd names I've read on here.
Please be sure you know what you are speaking about before you thow meaningless accusations around. I am not one of the fan-zies on this site.
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Why would you use Natalie's daughter's names? I actually think you asked a damn good question. But to say you are not one of the fan-sies here is rude. You're here. You chose Natalie's daughters names. I happen to think Anonymous would be better than that.
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I believe you are misunderstanding me. I am not one of the crazed finger pointing, name calling fan-zies that populate this site under weird screen names or under the dark of night anonymous posting.
I chose the name because it is in direct relation to Natalie Wood. I use the name no where else and in Law we have certain code names for certain cases.
That is all. If you care too, please see my corresponding post in another thread.
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