Anyone notice the moosey review pulled from Amazon? Yeah, she was there calling Davern and Rulli profiteers. HA! She was concerned they were going to cut into her profit of bootlegged Hart2Hart CD's she peddles at the RJGroup. Yeah, those are the kind of people posting the negative reviews of the new book...

People get ready there's a train a'coming, picking up passengers from coast to coast!!

Who goosed moose? In all seriousness, the RJ group is filled with spiteful, factless, ignorant, blind fans who deal only with LOL's, pointless defense, twisted truths, and their own insecurities. Their esteem is found in an 80 year old drunk who renders them witless.

I am a member of the Hart to Hart site and Stefanie Powers group and I always wondered about that too. How can anyone sell home made CDS and DVDS and claim the money goes to organizations the stars are associated with? I'm not joking or trashing here. I seriously want to know. Doesn't Sony own all rights to the Hart to Hart series? I know you can get the series that are out for about 30 bob but she was selling home made DVDS for 60 American dollars? Is this legal?

No it's not legal, and the more people who decide to not be a Hart2Hart fan (there aren't many to begin with) the less she illegally takes in. No wonder she wants to make people think there was nothing criminal about Nov. 28, 1981....cuts into her own illegal activities. Wonder how many of her clients she takes cuts from?

Hey thank you for the information! I almost bought some from her but someone said a lot of the DVDS have major problems with them because someone in Australia makes the master print off their television and sends it to her or something like that. Under any event, seriously who ever you are thank you for the information because I knew something just was not right with all of that.

Wow, once again you people are really stretching. How does one activity (making DVDs) equate with or prove the other (that Robert Wagner killed Natalie Wood)? Puuulllleeeezzzze.......

Once again you are stretching but you accuse other people of doing this. READ EVERY POST! NOT ONE PERSON SAID ANYTHING ABOUT RJ DOING ANYTHING TO NATALIE WOOD. About the closest anyone comes to this topic is with this statement, "No wonder she wants to make people think there was nothing criminal about Nov. 28, 1981...."
A few throw away statements made about Robert Wagner but noone's post calls anyone a murderer. Everything else is directly related to the alleged bootlegged DVDs. Stop adding your own garbage to throw people off the scent of your stink!
Maybe someday the group moderators will wake up and realize you are more a liability than an asset.

Bravo Ynos. I agree.

You posted this-
Wow, once again you people are really stretching. How does one activity (making DVDs) equate with or prove the other (that Robert Wagner killed Natalie Wood)? Puuulllleeeezzzze.......
I'm answering you with this-
I read and reread each post and not one says anything about murder except your post. Let me be very specific; you said killed not murder. Now that that I was very specific on that let me now be very clear on how the two equate;
BOTH ARE AGAINST THE LAW YOU DUMB *****!

Making DVDS whether directly off the TV or from a film negative, another DVD or VHS or any other medium and selling them to the public is illegal. No company is going to give any private individual the permission to copy a series that said company owns and then sell those DVDs for any reason including charity and non profit organizations to the public. Anyone who does not believe this is a fool and if they knowingly bought these bootlegged DVDS they are just as guilty as the person(s) who made them and sold them.
If this were not correct, the Sony Corporation or any corporation would produce their own series of DVDS in the highest quality and packaging possible and then publicize the fact that the profits are contracted to charity or NPOS. Great PR for the company, great for the consumer and great for the institution(s) rewarded with the profits.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Me, too. Makes perfect sense.

Ynos, you sure got that right. Who is selling bootleg DVD? Are they Natalie Wood DVD?

No they are not Natalie dvds. They are Hart to Hart dvds from the series which have not yet been released on dvd. The series is running in another country and this is where the master is done by someone. It is then sent to someone here in the USA who copies them and sells them to group individuals for about sixty dollars a series set.

What are group individuals? I'm not being catty like everybody else on here I just would like to know and are you really sure this is illegal? I know it says on all tv and movies that they can't be copied and it says that on dvds and tapes too but do they really arrest people for this?

I think the OP refers to individual members of Yahoo groups buying pirated dvds and yes, it is against the law not only in the USA but just about everywhere.

Not only can you be arrested, you can be fined thousands upon thousands of dollars (for buying or selling) and you can go to jail (not for a week or a month...for years--probably about 2 or 3). Most people caught get fined and jail. It's not taken lightly, nor should it be.

I am not saying I don't believe you because it is very logical plus it states on every DVD and old VHS and every movie and Television series and television movie I have ever seen all that copying stuff and fines and going to prison but how can a person advertise selling these unauthorized DVDS on these sites? I am a member of Natpack and I have seen her talking about them on there and some people bought them but there was a problem so she was correcting it or something like that.

These groups are private. Members only. You have to join with a screen name and e mail address and be approved by the group owner or moderator. The members of those groups who bought the dvds were told the profits were going to charity organizations so I'm sure many of them were innocently duped and not savvy enough to ask for proof. Other members, like myself knew there was something wrong with the entire scenario but we stayed out of it because it had no effect on us personally or monetarily and if Sony who ownes Hart to Hart isn't on top of their own game why should we play monitor for them?

Hey, if Wagner can break the law and get away with murder, I'm sure the RJ fans figure they can get away with bootlegging. ANYTHING for Wagner's smile. Right? I love that this forum here is more conscientious than they are (and smarter). They have their little agents here, but since they came out of their private little corner on behalf of protecting their lying idol by bashing a damn good book, they end up getting exposed at their own little illegal game. Precious. Simply precious!

I wonder why this thread is getting very little if any troll postings?
Possibly because it is all TRUTH and the culprits are a little bit nervous?

Yeah, they know how to defend murder, but are helpless to defend themselves. Peddling black market DVD's is punishable by huge fines and by jail. BUYING OR SELLING. HAHA: they are all involved in criminal activity. Losers who worship a loser.
You won't see them here. What can they say? Maybe they are smart enough to not document their activity.

LOL, they are probably cleaning up their own private room now, deleting all reference to the black market sales.

Then they have to clean up a lot of groups because it wasn't just the Hart to Hart group that she was selling to but never fear, I have copies of all the posts and I am sure that if an authority were to contact some of the innocent buyers who honestly thought they were doing nothing wrong I bet you they would tell the absolute truth and not perjure themself for another group member.

It is documented in their posts. That would be an awful lot of deletions for group moderators to do but don't forget even if they did delete the archives IP are available to authorites so they wouls never get away with it anyway..

Yeah, and this is what their spitefulness to bash a book out of pure meanness has brought them: exposure of their blackmarket exchange business. LOL

LOL I guess they will be the ones to fold up their tents, close up shop and constantly look over their shoulders to make sure the Vultures are not circling overhead!

Oh my, you all have lost your focus.

Robert Wagner - evil personified - is still roaming free and you're being distracted by DVD sales?? Rulli's gotta be disappointed.

Mount up, people!!

Don't be so ****ing stupid. It is one thread about the DVDs. What is wrong? Did you buy some of that **** she was selling and now you are trying to make light of it? This has nothing to do with Rulli. She wasn't on groups selling bootleg DVDs with the help of a group moderator but leave it to you to attempt to steer the subject back to GNGS and your hate of Marti Rulli for telling the truth about your drunken hero!
Too bad, it won't work.

Hey, I didn't start this thread so don't blame me for shifting the focus from the task at hand.

Nobody is blaming anybody. It is one thread about illegal selling of bootleg DVDS on group sites. The posts aren't spread all over other threads and that is what that moron wants everyone to think.

I wonder if the old meter maid passing herself off a the Chief of Police bought any of those black market DVDS?

She's an imbecile, too.

I wonder if the members who bought these allegedly bootleg DVDS got receipts so they can write it off on their income tax as a charity deduction?

Yeah, right.

I was serious. I was told that this was legitimate and done with the full cooperation of Sony and all profits go to some sort of wild life preserve or something like that headed by Stephanie Powers in memory of William Holden. Now don't shoot me if that isn't true. It is what we were all told.
I never bought the DVDS because they were way too expensive plus people had a lot of problems with them and the biggest of all, did you ever hear the saying if something does not sound right it usually isn't? This went the limit.

It isn't right. The person that did this is a thief unless she has a contract with Sony Corporation which she should have shown to the group owners.
Why would you or anyone believe this bull ****? Even the young kids know it is against the law to copy and sell DVDS, CDS, VIDEO GAMES, FILMS AND TELEVISION, etc.
Ever heard of copyright infringement?
People need to contact Sony and let them know what she did.

Reading this thread makes me wonder if any of you have ever broken the law or done anything that can be viewed as "questionable" behavior. Yes, two wrongs don't make a right, but the self-righteous pontificating on display here is beyond the pale. You all need a big dose of Get Over Yourself. I hear Rulli buys it by the case.

This has NOTHING to do with Marti Rulli. Don't try once again to flip the topic around.
Sure, I coasted through a few stop signs in my life but I never duped anyone to make a quick buck off of innocent people like this supposed high falutin Sue Mengers wannabe from the 80's did. Don't try to make it appear as though it was a speeding ticket and people are attempting to make a hit and run out of it. That is not the case.
This woman and her accomplice who did the initial copying of the television series broke federal laws but above all of that they LIED to members of groups who sincerely TRUSTED them. People spent their hard earned money on bootleg items. Who pocketed the cash?
People were under the assumption that what she said was the truth and the money was going to charity. It did not.
No one is acting self righteous or pontificating here. They are all just stating facts.

Not that it excuses the illegal activity - but you don't know that it didn't go to charity. Stop making baseless accusations.

Rulli buys WHAT by the case? You are all idiots. This has nothing to do with Rulli. This has to do with an RJ fan bottlegging. How dare you drag Rulli into it and all posting about the illegal activities of another. She got herself exposed. Rulli had nothing to do with her.

BootLEGGING, sorry. God, would you blame an earthquake on Rulli?

Rulli buys "Get Over Yourself" buy the case. Or rather, she needs to.

Since everyone seems to be having so much fun using me as a punching bag this week, I figured I may as well make an appearance. After all, it couldn't be any worse than David Cassidy's tantrum at the celebrity autograph convention I head the PR for this past Sunday. I'm Judith Moose, the person this thread is about.

You are correct that the Amazon review is gone, and I'm the one who removed it, but not for the reason you've incorrectly assumed. After giving it additional thought I took into consideration that Marti Rulli had done nothing but written a book based on the facts that she was presented with. Whether or not they are correct still remains to be seen and may never be known with all certainty, but she doesn't deserve to have negative comments slung at her from others in the within the Entertainment Industry. For doing so, I apologize. I'm not sorry for wishing people would be a bit more cautious when writing potentially career and reputation damaging material, but if that wasn't her intent then I'm sorry for ever indicating that it may have been.

As for negative comments made about one my books, I agree with you. The printer used an absolutely horrible paper stock, it either smeared or darkened photos to the point of nearly not being able to see them, and the finished product was a far cry from what had been delivered to them. For all essential purposes, it was hideous. Not every day that you'll actually find someone say they're own book was terrible, but today's going to be that day. Oddly enough though, the biggest issue people have with my books is that I refused to discuss the fighting that took place on the sets of the different shows. While I know that many people are far more interested in the behind-the-scenes rifts between co-stars, I prefer to focus on the show itself. Perhaps it's the publicist side of me that wants to protect reputations that kept kicking in, but nevertheless, I didn't find any point in dragging up items that may still hold bad memories for the cast members, and if that upsets people then again, I'm sorry.

However, neither of the topics above are what this thread is about. This one is about an idea that several people in assorted "Hart To Hart," Robert Wagner, and Stefanie Powers related groups thought would be a good way to raise funds for RJ's and Stefanie's favorite charities, and spent over a year figuring out how to actually do. We had one person taping the episodes as they aired outside of the United States that were shipped to me in a PAL format. They were then sent to someone else to convert to an NTSC format, and then returned to me because since I'm in the industry, I had the equipment to do the duplication solely for the members of the three specific fan groups. Should it have been done, probably not, but unlike the sites listed below that are peddling knock-offs for profit, both of RJ's and Stefanie's favorite charities have received fairly good-sized donations because of it. Believe and say whatever you wish about me, but there's been no financial gain from anything related to this or any other "Hart" projects that I've ever been involved with that the proceeds didn't find its way to either Robert Wagner's or Stefanie Powers' charities or both.

For those of you who can't resist throwing stones over 19 DVDs of a show that's been off the air for thirty years, before doing so you may also want to consider the following sites that also offer these episodes as well as far more material to the public than I ever have or ever will, and I'd be willing to bet that none of them offered them for the sake of the cast members' charities.

IOffer.com
TVDVDStore.net
DVDGlobe.tv
GoldstarDVD.com
DVDAvenue.tv
DVDMediaStar.com
IDVDShop.com
ClickDVDShows.com
TVDVDMania.com
TVAddicts.tv
DCMagicbox.com
TVShowMonster.com
MyLot.com
DVDCraze.com

I hope everyone is well and having a wonderful week.

Best regards,
Judith A. Moose

Just noticed typos that I'd like to correct. Sorry it's been a long week of dealing with fans of "The Partridge Family" wanting to hang David Cassidy from the nearest tree.

Typos are are as follow:

Paragraph two in reference to Marti Rulli having comments slung at her, please disregard in the between others and within.

Paragraph three in reference to the line - Not every day that you'll actually find someone say they're own book was terrible, but today's going to be that day. Please change the they're to their.

That appears to be all of them. Have a good evening.

Ms. Moose, your post is appreciated. I believe you and I think you are a decent person to take the time to explain your side. Everyone deserves to be respected for that. I really don't think people here care about some copied TV shows. I think it goes deeper. It's about respect, whether or not we agree. I think people thought you were disrespectful to Rulli and your explanation on that too is appreciated. You may not agree with details in the new book, but I agree that I don't think Rulli set out to exploit anything. She believed in her subject and obviously didn't convince everyone to side with her, and there's nothing wrong with that, either. Many do accept her memoir but I have nothing against those who don't.

I see, so it's legal to make and sell bootleg DVDs. Interesting.

Many people who make bootleg products claim that they made no money and donated to charity. It's an old line that has been used before and will be again.

I don't believe a word of the OP post. It is illegal to make, distribute and sell bootleg DVDS. All the jargon in the world will not alter that fact and what has David Cassidy to do with this? Once again we are name dropping faded television stars to fill up space and throw a cover on the real facts at hand. What has Marti Rulli to do with this? Judith Moose cried sour grapes in her personal attack review on Amazon and realized exactly how it appeared to the public at large not just the groups she is associated with.
Whether a film or television series is old or not copying these is illegal. ILLEGAL! They are not in the public domain. It does not matter if it is one copy or a million and sold to one person in a private group or a million. It is illegal and the mentioned parties have broken the law.

I agree. Also, I am a member of the Hart to Hart and Stefanie Powers groups and this has not been addressed at all. Why? Don't we deserve an explanation?

I was under the impression that ANY bootleg product is illegal. It would be the same as someone making copies Moose' book and passing it out to friends. Would Moose and the publisher be OK with that? It's illegal and unethical. Just because many people do it, does not make it the right thing to do. Many people cheat on their taxes, does that make it right? Maybe the IRS would forgive it if the money went to charity? I think not.

You're right, it is illegal to copy material and put it out for any type of retail distribution, so to make it easier on everyone, I will personally send a note to Sony's legal department this afternoon detailing the entire idea and end result that went with it including the list of who purchased them because it's just as illegal to knowingly purchase copies as it is to create them. I'll also toss in the list of sites I added to my original post last night so they'll have even more to work with. As for the member of Stefanie's group, I have a question. Are you also intending to add Nancy to the list of people to hang for creating copies of Stefanie's work for fans because she's been involved in this project since day one and has been offering videos in exchange for donations to group members for nearly a decade?

Like I said last night, you can say or think whatever you want to about me, but this project wasn't something done with any type of malicious intent. Believe it or don't believe it, it's the truth, and I'm perfectly willing to take my part of the responsibility for it with Sony and whomever else along the way.

Why would you start naming names? I can only assume that you do not want to take the responsibility alone. I never once stated your name. If anyone else did there is nothing I can do about that but I did not mention a name in full or in part in any of my posting. Nor did I state the name of the person outside the USA who made the masters.
You are the one that made reference to another person. Not I.

Neither have I, and if Sony opts to take any type of action regarding the matter then I'll deal with them in whatever way they request, but I'm not going to sit here and have people throw me under the bus for something that more than one person has taken part in. We created this project together, we worked on this project together, and we will stand together for anything that's thrown our way.

This is all ridiculous. This isn't Rulli's fault, and it's no one's fault. Just because someone didn't like her book, all this happens? I think Rulli expected alot of people to not like her book. She says herself that it's a tough story. Leave all this stupid stuff alone. The bad review was removed, and I think a very positive reason for Rulli was given as to why it was removed. Everyone and their brother copies things illegally. The world would have to be arrested. No one on either side of this should contact sony. This should end. Stop this stupid stuff.

Once again, Rulli is thrown in the mix for absolutely no reason. This is a Federal Offense not a parking ticket. I could not care whether a bad review was left or not left or what ever. This has nothing to do with any book or any author. Nothing!
This act was illegal. Big time illegal. You are trying to make light of it. People were duped. Where is the money? Can Stefanie Powers be contacted for a statement that the organization received charitable contributions from these DVDS?
As I said, this is not a parking ticket. This is a Federal Offense.
What part of this do you not understand?

Everyone and their brother copies things illegally.
I have never copied a copyright in my life for personal or public use and I take great offense to that comment.
I am not grandstanding. I just don't appreciate your blanket statement.

I thought this board was to discuss Natalie Wood's death. How have we let one person's personal vedetta against one of Rulli critics sideline the topic at hand.

Who cares about this????

Let's get back to what we're here for!!!

If it didn't bother you so much why are you bring it up on other threads? Running skeered are we? You are only making it worse. If you notice, people are not posting about it unless it is brought up like I just saw it brought up on another thread.
If you are trying to save the bootleggers why not take the silent road and see what happens? Maybe if you shut up it would die down and the bootleggers could save what face they have left.
It isn't about M R or this so called vendetta you seem to think people have against negative responses to her book.
It is about breaking the law. These people broke the law. They have basically admitted as much.
Shut up about it and maybe it will die down but if you keep pouring salt in an open wound it will never heal.
I am telling you this as a friend not an enemy. Think before you post anything else about this. Please?

That is not going to happen. It is noticeably avoided on the groups where the DVDS were sold. No explanations are posted. No apologies for innocent people. Nothing at all.
You all think it is perfectly fine to come to this site, trash everyone with filth, slander innocent people, lie, resort to name calling, misquotes and then run back to the groups with lies but when it concerns the absolute truth no one steps up to the plate.
I am speaking about all groups whether Natalie, RJ, Stefanie or HtoH not just a select few. Are you really educated adults?
So did you send your information on to Sony? Have you named all your correspondents in your memo? Has Sony responded with a slap on the wrist?
I do not think so.
Call it grandstanding. Call it revenge. Shroud it in whatever you choose. I call it the truth.

This is just wrong. You are threatening to ruin a person just because she does not share your opinion. How many of you have never purchased a bootleg Natalie Wood video?

Out to ruin someone's life? What about the innocent people who were lied to and had money taken from them illegally?
Share an opinion? What opinion?
Are you referring to the thread or posts that refer to Marti Rulli and her book? If you are that is not true. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I really don't care what anyone reviewed or posted or wrote about the book or all those posts on here or on groups about did he do did, was it an accident, who, what, where, when, why?
This concerns people breaking the law. Sure, I've taped something to watch at a later time. Did I sell it for profit, did I lead people on? NEVER!
They have been doing this for years and getting away with it. They got greedy and in their greed they got sloppy.
No one is above the law.
If you know them tell them to make amends by admitting what they did on these groups and give the money back to the innocent members unless they have receipts proof positive signed by the organizations stating that the money went to the charity and a contract with Sony allowing them to do this.
I'm not referring to some haphazard legal looking documentation. Show the real deal.

They are afraid because they keep posting and trying for sympathy and when don't work they go off about reviews and books and finger pointing trying to make everybody look guilty like they are.
Whoever you are just send your info to Sony and let them deal with it.
Bootlegging is against the law and you said you have the posts and archives so just do it and get it over with.

Seems like someone tried to keep her "customers" happy by showing boldly at Amazon that she was against the new book GNGS, but it backfired. She accused the authors of GNGS of being profiteering opportunists, while she runs a Hart-to-Hart illegal DVD business. So, as her review at Amazon may or may not be convincing people to choose another book to buy, she keeps her little (or huge?) illegal business going in the background.
She wrote what may have been her true opinions in her review, and it was there for anyone to see. Someone who knows about her illegal DVD business saw it and exposed her as the true illegal profiteering opportunist in a review comment.
When she saw that she was exposed, she removed her review and now, ironically, claims she decided Rulli has every right to state her findings and opinions without being attacked needlessly for it, thus admitting that her review was a targeted attack to begin with and not really based on the content of Rulli's book: thus exposing that that's probably what the other "RJ group members" did, too. The true conspirators!
She should've left the review. Very few people read those comments. By pulling her review, it was a clear indication she has something to hide. Her attempt to appease her illegal customers by attacking Rulli backfired bigtime and now everyone is nothing but nervous. Now there is this lenghty thread about this illeagal activity and all those RJ fans who claim to never come here, and who insult this forum, seem to be checking in often enough.
This all didn't happen because of a difference of opinion over a book. This all happened because someone became so nonchalant about her illegal business (as most criminals do) that she got exposed through an odd way. When you do things out of spitefulness, it does often come back to bite your butt. Frankly, it's all no big deal to me. I could care less, but this is an amusing thing to see happen. And, it can't be blamed on Rulli. It can't be blamed on anyone but the buying and selling culprits of illegal DVD's. It's also called KARMA. Oh, what people will allow to happen to them over the worship of a two-bit actor.

I never looked at it that way but now that I have, you are right. Whoever you are you are right on every issue you addressed. She thought she would appease the looney brigade, write a scathing personal review so others could jump on her wagon and they would all ride off together with her at the helm.
The wagon lost its wheels because she forgot to cover her own back. I guess it is true, God don't like ugly.
All those years doing that illegal game on those groups and acting all grand in her posts dropping all those forgotten star names as though she were speaking about Streisand and Richard Gere and everybody bowing to her.
I'm sure the posts telling people to move on and trying to make it like she was jaywalking are just the looney brigade coming to her defense.
Too little too late. She should have known better.

I bet all those members on those groups that she ripped off would not come to her defense if they knew about all of this.

Here is a thought, maybe a member who is on all these groups should do the right thing and expose this bootleg conspiracy and mention this thread and its posts. The moderators can always delete the post from the site but if some members also get posts sent to their email addresses the moderators can't stop or delete them.

Now you are making it so obvious you have not got a genuine outraged bone in your body. You suggested to drop it, "as a friend"....what a joke, and no-one responded....now you are starting it up again. You are not fooling anyone....(well anyone who is half decent that is), with your fake righteous legal outrage.....this is an unashamed vendetta against someone who posted a negative review. Pure and simple. Don't think most people aren't seeing through it. You are actually being really dum because you are now creating a lot of sympathy for this woman you are out to destroy, and losing sympathy for Natalie. With people like you on our cause, we don't need enemies! You are shooting yourself in the foot. I can't believe how you can really call yourself a defender of our dear Natalie, when you are sabotaging everything yourself. I get around.....this is backfiring big time. Now I am saying this as a friend.

Those RJ fan's are hypocrites. They state Davern told a lie but look what they are doing. Buying illegal copies of Hart to Hart. I hope Sony hears about it, shuts it down and puts the seller in jail. Then I hope RJ gets to join her and the both of them can cry in their beer together. Payback is a Bitch. Hope she get it soon.

And I am sayiny this not as a friend, back off! You won't win. Now you throw Natalie Wood in here? She has nothing to do with this. Her spirit did not entice these people to do what they did.
Get it through your head, what these people did is AGAINST THE LAW!
You can say it is because of a review, a book, an author a person's feelings for Robert Wagner or Natalie Wood or anyone else. You can blame the moon for all I care. Scream vendetta anyway you like. You are wrong on all counts.
The fact of the matter is, People were lied too, DVDS were bootlegged and people made money off the innocence of decent hard working individuals.
It won't go away. I WON'T LET IT GO AWAY unless the conspirators fess up, admit to all the groups what they did and that they were the profiteers not charities as they said and give every single penny back to the innocent victims.
If you think I am playing think again.
Unless they make restitution to every person they duped I will send all my findings to Sony and by this time next week it will be out of everyone's hands and in Sony's legal Department.
There is more that one or two people posting here. I can't tell other people what to post. This is big. I am not playing the fan game of she/he hates RJ/she/he loves Natalie so I'm going to have a tantrum here.
Do not attempt to play with me on this. I am very serious. You will not win because you can not win. You are making a feeble defense for people that broke the law and they know they did.

Nertz! Slam the crooks to the wall. Send your findings to Sony. The hell with apology and giving money back they robbed from people. They wouldn't do it for you. Especially that ***** that lives in her hateful world of stalking and obsession. That is probably her getting all nasty on here too. You may not have a vendetta but I do. I want to see them all go down together. Thieves and liars.
Go get them!

You know what, you win. A group of us tries doing something nice for two charities and we get raked over the coals for it. So here's what's going to happen. As soon as I've finished this message, I'm posting one on all three groups that the discs were offered to and instructing everyone who has them to return them to me. As soon as they arrive, I'm going to issue full refunds for every last one of the 33 sets that were ordered and then destroy all of the discs. The charities are going to get to keep the funds that were sent to them and I'll cover the refunds myself because I have no intention of calling them and saying we want our money back. As for Sony, I still have no problem giving them the information on the project, who did what, who has what, and what the final outcome was, but I'm tired of being ripped to shreds for something that was done because four of us wanted to do a little good for two worthwhile organizations.

Hey there. I have not brought it up. I am sorry that other people posted and as we all just use anonymous it is hard to tell who is who but I have not posted until now.
I'm sorry that your friends on Natpack, Hart to Hart and both the RJ and Stefanie groups broke the law and people are going after them but you play you pay.
Believe whatever you want but I am sure I am not the only one who feels that way. This particular thread has over 70 responses in 6 days. They really must have gotten more than just one or two people angry at them besides me and from reading some of these posts I think it is far from someone just getting angry over a book review on Amazon that winds up in nothing land anyway.

Good evening everyone,

This message is going to make a few of you rather unhappy, but it's happening anyway. Courtesy of a group of people who are hiding behind anonymous postings on something called The Death of Natalie Wood Discussion Forum, I'm issuing a recall. Because these people are hell bent on reporting the "Hart To Hart" DVD project and me to Sony (which I actually volunteered to do myself) for infringement, I want every last episode and all of the movies returned to me immediately. As soon as they arrive back to my office, I will start issuing refunds from my own pocket because I have absolutely no intention of asking either of the charities to return the funds that are already on their way to them. Anyone who has a set, please e-mail me so we can arrange for their return. The four of us involved in this project are not going to sit here and be dragged through the mud because we wanted to complete collections for fans and raise funds for two charities at the same time. If you're wondering what will become of them, every last disc will be broken in half and destroyed, and I will never work on another project for any of these groups again regardless of what it involves.

If I haven't heard from you by Friday, I will send you a message myself. Thank you for what was your support for the two charities, and on behalf of the four of us involved in this project, please accept our apologies for having to issue this request.

Have a good weekend.
Judith

There's about to be 33 exceedingly upset "Hart To Hart" fans as soon as they check their e-mail, but at least you should be able to be happy that you've shut down what was probably the smallest bootleg operation ever known to man. Have a good evening.

PH PUUUUUULESE! Big or small. It is against the Law! Who are you to choose how large or how small the infraction is?

Don't tell us. Tell the people you sold illegal DVDS too. they are the ones you hurt.
You get no sympathy here.

Actually, the people knew they were copies when they ordered them, which technically makes them just as guilty for ordering them as we were for making the offer. No sympathy is being asked for in any way, shape or form.

If memory serves me the people knew they were copies but they along with me were under the impression that this was being done with Sonys permission. I will tell you that someone on Natpack checked into it and she found out this was illegal. I won't put her name here but I will tell you she has one of the loudest mouths on the group and she is also on two other groups under different names and she is on imdb and she comes here too. She gave you up and from there it travelled but if you really were innocent you would have nothing to hide.

Can you believe that crap? They ripped people off and got caight and they act like some of you did something wrong for calling them out on their game plan.
If they were legally doing this with Sony's permission this Judith person would have laughed at you and everyone else and thrown proof in all your faces.
She can't so she will get some of the trolls to get nasty on here but remain silent on the groups and she will still act all grand and above it all.
She got caught with her hand in the cookie jar but she still won't admit to helping herself to the cookies.
Typical.

You are saying this has nothing to do with the negative book review. You are saying it has nothing to do with Natalie Wood or Robet Wagner. But you are not going after any of the bootleggers on Ioffer or any of the other so easy to find bootleg sites on the internet. You are not perusing YouTube for the millions of illegally presented videos there to report them to the authorities. You are only going after a Robert Wagner fan. To say that has nothing to do with it is ludicrous. If someone such as, say, the "infamous" ****** had made and sold videos, would you be so quick to report her? You are fooling yourself if you think this is not personal.

Actually, I do have copies of the letters and checks that were sent to the charities. For the sake of this board and those who may feel as if they were cheated along the way, it's just as easy for me to simply give everyone's money back to them, destroy all of the discs that were made, and let the two charities keep the funds they're receiving.

Ah ha! Now your fellow group member is using names of private people who have absolutely nothing to do with this. I would advise you to tell her to stop. If she proceeds with using innocent people's names NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE I won't stop here. I will send everything to Sony and they did not give you permission to do this copying and you know it.
If you want it to stop here, it will. With me. If someone else posts I can't stop them but I will end it here but make sure you tell your friend to STOP using infamous references because she might be obsessed with people as anyone can clearly see and for heaven sake you of all people should know better. Give the money back.
I would have reported anyone that broke copyright laws. Anyone! If your friend persists in constantly naming innocent people all deals are off.
Talk about Robert Wagner, talk about Natalie Wood. Discuss anyone who is a public figure but leave private people out of it from this post forward or I will report my findings to Sony and whether you give the cash back and destroy the DVDS or not you still broke the law and I'm sure that would be very bad PR for you. Absolutely no threats here just telling you the truth which is morte than you have gotten from some of the group members you think are your friend.
It is up to you. Game Set Match or we can continue. Your decision.

This is Judith. I've just read your message and am not sure if you're referring to me or someone else in it. The last message I posted on this topic was the one that says I'm giving people back their money and still giving the charities the funds that are already on their way. If anyone else is posting material using the names of other people, it's definitely not me because until someone sent me a link to this topic, I'd never even seen this board, much less anyone who has ever been on it. I have no issue with anyone here, including whoever it was that started this thread. I've never set out to make anyone feel as if they were being cheated and I've offered a refund to anyone who has a set. If I've upset anyone along the way, I'm truly sorry, but there was no malice involved in offering the videos or sending the funds to charities, and I'm certainly not going to refuse to give someone back their funds if they'd like to have them returned. What else can I do?

Oh, one more thing. If I'm supposed to tell someone to stop posting messages, I need to know who to tell. It's a little difficult to deliver a message if I don't have a clue of who it's supposed to go to.

Thanks!
Judith

Judith again. I've just posted this on all three groups, so if nothing else, at least you'll know I've done my part of your request.

Okay, I'm delivering a message from someone on the "Death Forum." They've offered to end this conversation completely if everyone here stops posting messages regarding the topic. I'm not sure exactly who the person making the request is referring to, other than it's someone I think is a friend of mine, so I'm sending a blanket message to cover everyone. No more message posting on the death forum under this topic please. Thanks, and have a wonderful weekend!

Judith,
It comes from the RJ LIst. There I said it. No one else has to skirt the issue. Just tell the moderator from down under to tell selective members to knock it off. She will know exactly who to reference, I guarantee that.
If you stand up to your end of the deal I will stand with the other person's post and I won't post anything more about this either.

I think it's just easier for the sake of less confusion if I just add my name to the messages. It's me again, Judith. As you can see from the post above, I've now already complied with what was asked of me, and I have every intention of holding up my end when I said I would refund people. It may take a few weeks because funds are a bit tight after a business trip last week, but anyone who asks me for a refund will certainly receive one. I'll pass along your message, and I'm assuming you're correct that she will know what you're referring to because I haven't got a clue. If not, I may come back with another question, but that too will be difficult without asking for the names of the parties involved. I don't know, but I'm sure we can figure something out on how to relay messages to the proper people.

Well, I don't want to get involved in this, but if I see an innocent author named who had NOTHING to do with ANY of this, I WILL get involved! I'm pissed enough seeing *****'s name here. She is obviously no part of this, and neither is any review. The review is where the culprit got caught, and nothing more! Leave the innocent out of this or no matter what game, set, match is going on, I will come on board and the game is back on. Tell your franny beeatch to stay away from this, Ms. Moose.

In reference to the message right above this one, I'm sorry, but I have no idea of who you're referring to. I'm actually very rarely on the RJ group board and don't see most of the messages that get posted there, so while I'd like to help you, I don't know who you're talking about.

Anyway, I've also now delivered the other message someone asked me to pass along to the RJ Group moderator. Below is what was sent -

"I was also just asked to deliver the following message to you Jessica, so I'm assuming you know what this person is talking about because I haven't got a clue. Just whoever it is they're referring to, please pass along the message. Thanks.

Judith,
It comes from the RJ LIst. There I said it. No one else has to skirt the issue. Just tell the moderator from down under to tell selective members to knock it off. She will know exactly who to reference, I guarantee that. If you stand up to your end of the deal I will stand with the other person's post and I won't post anything more about this either."

Since I'm here, are there any other messages I can pass along for anyone? If not, thanks for your consideration and have a lovely evening.

Judith

Okay, me again. (Me being Judith). Here's what's been posted on the RJ group by the moderator you referred me to. I trust that you'll be satisfied that the message has indeed been delivered and she too has now passed it along to whomever it is you said she would know.

It is under a subject heading called "Please do not use that name any more"

"Just to be absolutely clear. I am begging you if you are on this group to stop using a certain persons name on the Death Board. I am refering to the name G*** A*****.
It has long annoyed me and C** because it sends people into a rage over there, and does not one bit of good!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoever is doing it, knock it off. Like I have said from the beginning when the book first came out, if you must speak on other sites, I can't stop you, but please be civil. Don't be tempted to be nasty. It is pointless.
Judith has shown incredible grace over this whole nasty affair. Take a leaf out of her book."

which was then followed by,

"Judith I think they mean Fran......I have written to her privately. I don't know if it really is her, but I have made a strong statement on the RJ group and if I find out who is doing it, they will be removed."

and this,

"BTW, Fran, I am not accusing you of anything, but you are the person the Death Board rightly or wrongly thinks it is. I would appreciate your replying to my private email."

For the sake of making this completely clear - I do not have a clue of who the majority of the people on the RJ Group, Hart Group, or even Stefanie Group are, so if you're going to refer to someone within the group that you'd like a message passed along to, please at least give me an idea of who they are. I'm willing to relay a message if you'd like, but it's helpful if I know who they need to go to, because otherwise I'm flying blind over here and don't want to deliver material to someone it's not intended for. Thank you.

I will tell you who it is. I am the one who doesn't want to get involved in this, but it is FRAN PUCCI, AKA FRED PUCCI, AKA RJWFAn, et al of her names (I don't know them all but many do). She attacks innocent people, she has been asked to stop at several decent places, she is vicious toward Rulli, insists terrible lies about ***** and *****'s association with Rulli, and she has done more damage for RJ fans and for Natalie fans than any one person could ever imagine possible. I guarantee you: NONE of this would be happening if not for Fran Pucci. The RJ Group can't handle her because she is a loose cannon, she is relentless, and she is an Internet stalker and shows sociopathic tendencies. She frightens me. She will say I am ***** posting this. I am not. I swear on my children I am not ******. But Fran will try to convince you and the world that doesn't care that I am. She is a sicko.
I believe that many more RJ fans and Natalie fans would NOT have that horrible divide (even though there are disagreements) if not for Fran. It looks like this all started from a bad review, but the thing is, if you read the comments at the reviews, all of the negative ones (save one that is coherrant, like yours was) are vicious, like Fran. They are not logical in thinking...they resort to namecalling. This will cause a war. One none of you will win in the long run. I'm just telling what it's all about: FRAN. Sorry you are a victim of your own side. Truly.

Judith again. Thank you for your candor and assistance in telling me who you're referring to, but I don't what to say, or do for that matter, because I have no idea of who he or she is. I'd love to be able to say that I would take care of this for you, but I honestly don't know how I would be able to. Unfortunately, as I'm sure you already know, it's very difficult to be able to control someone's thoughts or actions, and particularly over the internet. If I had a clue of who this person is, I'd send her a message myself explaining that she's creating discord on a forum that should be used for the sake of discussing the continued mystery surrounding Natalie's unfortunate death, not creating additional conflict through other means of attack against others in the forum. For my part, once again, my apologies to anyone that I've upset along the way. I was being truly sincere in my reason for taking down the review that I'd placed on Marti Rulli's book and would apologize to her personally if I knew how to contact her. If someone has contact information and would be kind enough to point in that direction, I'd appreciate it.

She is at the RJGroup with the name of Fran Pucci. She can't be missed. She is nasty as all hell. Ask Jessica who she she. They all know Fran.

I know this may sound terrible, but could you please give me a recap so I don't have to spend a tremendous amount of time trying to put together background information to know what you're talking about? Thanks.

Just read the original note again in which this Fran person is named and have another question. Who is the ***** person being referred to and why is there animosity concerning her? Sorry, I'm just trying to get an idea of what has transpired along the way and how I can possibly help you.

I totally agree with you, I also think most of the problems are coming from one "loose cannon". It is in everybody's interests that this person stops. They are setting one group against another, and it is getting way out of hand. I know for a fact that the RJ group only ever sent 2 negative reviews, this was talked about in private cirles. Now there is only one there from the RJ group because Judith removed hers. It is actually very upsetting seeing our group being blamed for every negative review. It is simply not true. I hope this accomplishes one thing, if nothing else, that this person realises the harm they are actually doing. They seem to not be able to comprehend this!
I hope people on this board actually try talking to each other instead of all this fruitless argueing and just ignore this troublemaker.

Judith yet again. For the record, I have no idea who just posted that message, and I just want to say one more thing before asking the group for the second time that people quit posting stuff because apparently it didn't work on the first try.

However, before I go do so, I've noticed they are correct on one point: if there is someone purposely trying to pit one group against another, we should probably all ask ourselves why we're allowing them to do it. Everyone in the world can sit by for the next hundred years and debate on who may or may not have had any involvement in Natalie's tragic death, but when it's all said and done, it's not going to change the outcome. She's still gone, and while I will admit that I've been a fan of Robert Wagner's for many years, I've also been one of Natalie Wood's for just as many, and no matter what becomes of Marti Rulli's book or any others that have been put out over the years, nothing is ever going to be able to bring Natalie back, and that's the saddest part of all.

Getting back to the original topic of this thread, I've decided that regardless of what's being "kept quiet" or presented to the outside world, I'm still going to send Sony a letter detailing what's taken place with the DVDs, leave the other three people out of it completely, and comply with whatever they wish me to do. In which case, I'd like to thank all of you who participated in this thread because I'd rather have the knowledge of knowing that I've done what's right for everyone concerned from the fans who ordered the sets all the way to the studio, and in the process, two charities received a very nice donation. Who knows, maybe it will be what's needed to actually get them to release the remainder of the series. But regardless, visiting this board has been an interesting experience because it shows how passionate people can be about others and the difference between right and wrong, and I did mean it when I asked for someone to please get me Marti Rulli's contact information so I can send her a note too.

Thanks...

Fran pushes buttons that can't be ignored. Many people are passionate about this new book. I'm sure Rulli expects a lot of negative reviews: any author of such a subject would have to. I've seen Rulli come out only once over all of the negativity and it was about Fran. She pleaded with the "stalker" to please stop tantalizing and stalking **** (at her blog). It didn't work. People from the RJ Group have no scruples. They resort to name calling and evil tactics, one of the reasons you said you pulled your review is because you realized it wasn't fair, even if you disagree.
They don't play fair. They don't respond to factual questions because they can't answer them, so they say "Rulli and Davern are liars." Joanne is pathetic. She critiques the book and hasn't even read it. Fran is worse. She stalks and accuses anyone who likes the book and accuses them of being someone they aren't (******). I am not ***** and Fran of RJfan has accused me dozens of times of being her. None of you over there can spell either. I don't mean typos, I mean basic use of English language. You and another are the exceptions.

Judith, when this is over and done with, read GNGS again. You might find some real truth in it.

Joanne would sooner slit her wrists, tie a belt around her neck, and swallow a bottle of sleeping pills than part with her H2H DVD's. Insist on HER DVD's. That weirdo called Davern a murderer. Says in Rulli's book it's what really spun her into action to finish the book, though, so thanks, Joanne. Too bad you don't know anything. Too bad, in actuality, you're behind this entire thing. Yeah, payback is hell, isn't it?

I guess this is the part that's really confusing me because I'd gone for about a year or so without having much involvement in the RJ group and have never taken the time to get caught up on any of the posts that had taken place while I was gone, but who is *****, why is someone trying to stalk her, and why are people still allowing the person who is supposedly doing all of this any access to the forums they're on including this one? Isn't there anything in place that register IP addresses or something of that nature? If this person is truly a threat to someone's safety, there needs to be some type of preventative action taken before anything real can come of it.

Judith

Maybe because it's pretty late and I'm tired, but I'm getting lost again. How did we get from passing along a message to the RJ group moderator to someone named ***** (that I've still not been filled in on) to someone named Fran who is being accused of stalking people to Joanne (who for the record isn't on the list of those who have the DVDs from this project)? Now that I've already decided to do the right thing regardless of anything said or done here, I guess my only question is why is everyone attacking everyone else? You asked me to deliver messages to a group that I have a membership in requesting that they stop making digs at people who have or currently participate in this forum, and I did as you requested, so in all fairness why are you now taking stabs at them?

Anyway, I'm turning off my laptop and going to bed now. Thanks again for an interesting few days and I'll pop in tomorrow to see if anyone's given me a way to reach Marti Rulli so I can apologize to her personally.

Until later,
Judith

My absolute last message for the evening. I've just posted this on the RJ group in the hopes that it might make at least a small difference towards improving the relationship between it and this forum. Whether it does or not, I don't know, but if nothing else, at least I've tried.

Judith

Posted to the RJ group

One of my many posts on the Natalie death discussion forum tonight, and I'd really appreciate it if those of you who they have taken issue with would also take into consideration the point that I've tried to make here. I've been through an emotional rollercoaster for the past two days over this, and this message is meant just as much as every other word I've put on that forum since I was sent to it. I don't know what's going on, I don't know who half of the people they're referring to are, and considering what I've been reading through what people have shared with me I'm not sure I want to know. So please, stop whatever the madness between these two groups is and just try maintaining a dignified co-existence. There's never going to be a meeting of the minds on what happened to Natalie, and even if there ever was in some moment of glory, it's still never going to bring her back, so instead of digging at each other for eternity, please just try to get along.

"Judith yet again. For the record, I have no idea who just posted that message, and I just want to say one more thing before asking the group for the second time that people quit posting stuff because apparently it didn't work on the first try.

However, before I go do so, I've noticed they are correct on one point: if there is someone purposely trying to pit one group against another, we should probably all ask ourselves why we're allowing them to do it. Everyone in the world can sit by for the next hundred years and debate on who may or may not have had any involvement in Natalie's tragic death, but when it's all said and done, it's not going to change the outcome. She's still gone, and while I will admit that I've been a fan of Robert Wagner's for many years, I've also been one of Natalie Wood's for just as many, and no matter what becomes of Marti Rulli's book or any others that have been put out over the years, nothing is ever going to be able to bring Natalie back, and that's the saddest part of all.

Getting back to the original topic of this thread, I've decided that regardless of what's being "kept quiet" or presented to the outside world, I'm still going to send Sony a letter detailing what's taken place with the DVDs, leave the other three people out of it completely, and comply with whatever they wish me to do. In which case, I'd like to thank all of you who participated in this thread because I'd rather have the knowledge of knowing that I've done what's right for everyone concerned from the fans who ordered the sets all the way to the studio, and in the process, two charities received a very nice donation. Who knows, maybe it will be what's needed to actually get them to release the remainder of the series. But regardless, visiting this board has been an interesting experience because it shows how passionate people can be about others and the difference between right and wrong, and I did mean it when I asked for someone to please get me Marti Rulli's contact information so I can send her a note too.

Thanks..."

Judith,
You will notice that not one person's name was mentioned by me. I am the game set match person and I was standing by promise to you and not continue to post but I feel I must do one more post to inform you of this and also to tell you that you should have announced a recall and left the personal business out of it. You did not so now your friends are once more going after the innocent. It is not me. Please remember, there is a person out there who disagrees with what you did but is also standing by her end of the deal with certainly stands for something.
If you feel a personal apology is necessary for Marti Rulli I'm sure you can contact her at her blog. As for all the other names in the onslaught of posts after mine, I have no idea what they are about. I am familiar with the names, all of them but why they are thrown into posts? I have no clue.

I am the person who named the name that has everyone in such an uproar. I am writing here to do two things: 1) apologize, and 2) to tell people that I am not Fran or RJFan or anyone else you might think I am.

I had no idea that mentioning that name would send people into such a stir. I meant absolutely nothing negative about the person in question. If you re-read my post, you should be able to see that. All I said of her was that she did NOT make videos. Her name was merely used as an example, to make a point. I could have used anyone's name, but hers was the only one I knew, which is why it was preceded by the word "infamous." Perhaps it is the use of that word that has upset people. The use of the quotations around the word (in the orginal post) was meant to indicate that that is not my feeling about her, but rather the feeling of others (if only just a few here). I personally have absolutely NOTHING against the person I named (and will surely not do again, as I never meant to cause an uproar). I don't know anything about her, so I have nothing to dislike. As I said above, I said nothing negative about her, so it never occured to me that using her name would upset anyone. Other names have been used on this forum--names of RJ Group members--and in a negative way, and nobody screamed about that. For example, someone below my post mentioned this Fran person negatively, accusing her of being me, which just goes to show how easily things can be misinterpreted on the internet, particularly on an anonymous forum. So, for upsetting people, I sincerely apologize. That was not my intent. I was merely trying to be a voice of reason. To the person who must not be named, I personally apologize if the use of your name upset you. As I said above, I did not mean anything negative about you. To Judith, I apologize also, because it was asked that the thread be stopped, and that request should have been honored. I suppose I am dishonoring it again here, but I hope you all can see that it is merely to apologize and so I hope that you will all overlook that.

Now, as I said above, I am not Fran or RJFan. I think I have posted only once here before(and in a very civil manner), and I will surely not do it again. I hope you can see from that mis-assumption how easy it is for someone to jump to the wrong conclusion. If anyone takes offense at that statement, I once again apologize.

Sure and I have an oil well you can purchase. It's in my back yard. You doth protest too much.

Fine apology accepted not go back and tell JESSICA to stop posting this site and talking about spite. It just came back to me. There is someone on that site that she thinks is a good friend to her and her group but they are not. When they banned people from that site a few monts ago this person is still there. She is still sucking up but back stabbing them too. Now she will know it is me giving her up so I won't get anymore information from her but it is fine.
There is no spite involved. You did the wrong thing. You are willing to correct it but if they continue I don't care what anyone else does but I won't let it rest.
Just tell them all to shut up and stop making it worse and it will go away.

Its Jessica here, and I am willing to listen. Look, I have always wanted peace between the groups, I have never wanted all this nastiness, and I have never encouraged anyone from the RJ group to ever be nasty, or cause problems elsewhere. The person who is clearly on our group will know this, whether they have reported this accurately to you or not. I am sorry about the way my comments on my own group were reported to you. But you have to understand that from our point of view, we constantly feel under seige by people who "hate" RJ but join the group faking and lying that they are fans, but are only there to report our every word to this forum. It is almost always exaggerated, and twisted, and nasty, that is why we have this view of most of the people here. This has been going on for 2 years! Unfortunately we have tried to get rid of these infiltrators by removing people we were shown evidence off. When they started bragging on this group that we never got rid of them, anyone who we did not "know" was removed. I am terribly sorry if this included innocent people but we have felt desperate to end this infiltration. Please tell me what you want me to do. I have offered Fran a chance to give her side....she has not responded, and that is leading me to think you people may be right after all! I want to know who is pretending to be my friend and stabbing us in the back. So does Cal - please somebody write to us and let us know. I truely believe it is handful of people who are stirring up this awful situation with our 2 sides. I totally respect your right to believe the book, if you want to, but we also have a right to disagree with that opinion on our own group! Please be civil or I won't respond to anything. I truely do want a truce.

Her name was not used as an example. Of all the names thrown around on these sites? You chose hers? I don't care who you are. If you keep it going so will I and again, I don't care if the other people stop I won't.
You are all blaming the wrong people anyway starting with a group moderator. Just keep this in mind. When decent people who just state an opinion which might be different than the screaming hypocrites are thrown out of groups for no reason or they leave on their own because they are being harassed they just might get pissed off and lash out anyway they can. So you can blame anyone you want and talk about spite and vendettas and any of melodrama but take it back to the group because that is where it started months and months ago.

It's Judith, wondering when people opted to become less cordial again. Last night everyone was getting along, I was trying to help you with items that were of concern to you, I try getting some sleep, and eight hours later people are back at each other's throats. What happened?

Regarding the names that were mentioned, I'm assuming others mentioned them because they were being used as examples to give me an idea of why there is such animosity between the two groups, with the exception of the one that inspired my "please try to get along" last message. I mentioned them because if I don't know who they are, I can't very well pass along a message to them, and it's important for me to have background information when people are requesting my help. Referring to people by way of a comment about doesn't work if I don't know who it is that's being referred to. I realize that it may make it a bit difficult, but if you want me to get a message to someone in particular, I need more than just an initial or veiled reference. I'm sorry if that upsets anyone, but it's not fair to a group of people who (like me) may not have had any idea that this discussion forum even existed, much less that there's an ongoing war between it and the RJ group, one for which other than the obvious difference in opinion of whether or not Robert Wagner had any involvement in Natalie's death, I still don't have a clue of what caused such a major rift or how I can help bring about a peaceful co-existence. I also have no control over people being removed from a group. I don't own the group, nor do I moderate it, and I have no say in anything that takes place between them, so there's not a whole lot I can do on that front.

That said, I am willing to lend my assistance for the sake of trying to help both groups come together with some type of middle ground, but for the sake of civility and in the spirit of showing that people are serious about making an attempt at being cordial, please stop ordering me to do things. I don't mind being asked for help, because if I can help in some way I will, but I've done nothing but try to be cordial to those who are here, and I would appreciate the same in return. As I said last night, I have no issue with anyone in this forum, I've already extended the offer of refunds for people, and have passed along a message for you, so for all essential purposes my only reason for being here now is to try to help two groups get along with each other, or at least leave the other alone. So, without phrasing it in the terms of an order or any type of threat, please tell me what I can do to help the two groups come together and declare a truce.

Finally, to the person who apologized to me, thank you, but it's not necessary. To the person who has referred me to Marti Rulli's blog, thank you. I'll try tracking it down and send her an e-mail later this afternoon.

I hope everyone has a lovely day.

Judith,
There is nothing you can do about bringing all these groups together. For every decent member there is two evil ones. Check the archival post history on all group sites and you will see where all the posts come from and who is doing most of the yelling.
You lived up to your end of the deal and unless someone also had access to the old archives on groups I am the only outside person who has them. Do whatever you feel is best but I will live up to my end and remain silent.
Keep in mind that many innocent people were blamed for posts they did not write including myself not only on here but group sites, imdb, etc. by people so incensed by a book and a movie actor that they attempted to ruin the lives of not only the authors of the book but private people as well just because their names briefly turned up between the covers of the book.
I am well aware that this got totally out of control when a person from the UK was mentioned as buying the DVDS. That person was too cheap to buy RJ's book when it came out What on God's green earth would make anyone think she would spend sixty dollars on copied DVDS? It was just a way to add more fuel to the fire.
Whether you choose to make a formal apology to Marti Rulli or not for your review/personal attack that you had on Amazon is between you and her. This entire matter had nothing to do with that review from my perspective and for my part. I can not speak for others only myself. You may believe that or not but it is the truth which is more than you got from others.
I am going to ignore any more posts with name calling and back stabbing unless given names are used and may I suggest you do the same.
Please take notice that outside of using your first name and a public figure, author Marti Rulli I have not addressed a single person by name.

Thank you for your reply. I'm hoping you're wrong because I'd like to think there's a bit of good in everyone, and sometimes it just takes a little longer to reach it, but I'd still like to try to see if there's anything that can be done to aid in finding some middle ground for everyone to stand on. Unfortunately, it would take forever to read through the years of messages I'd have to go through to figure out what's taken place between the two forums. That's why I'd asked for someone to give me a recap of the prior events.

If people are impersonating others along the way, then obviously something needs to be said and done, but this comes back to two points I made last night. First, it's very difficult to try to control the thoughts and actions of others on the internet, and second, something needs to be put into place along the way to prevent people from being able to use a computer and enter forums under multiple identities. If you know who the people are who have made these comments under your name, then gather the information you know to be incorrect, find out their IP address and turn it over to the authorities. I've been a victim of identity theft and seven years later am still having to fight with an assortment of companies to prove who I am. It's a horrible process that no one should have to be put through, but it can't stop until people take a stand to make it stop. Children and adults have been driven to suicide because of things people have said about them on assorted websites that could have probably been resolved with just a few sincere conversations like the ones we've been trying to have for the past day.

So for the sake of understanding, is the main wish of this group to request that members of the RJ group simply not post in this forum anymore, or are there people in this forum who would be willing to sit (so to speak) with a few people from the RJ forum in the hopes of being able to reach an agreement to let bygones be bygones and start fresh? Or is the issue the fact that someone I don't have a clue about is impersonating others and purposely creating chaos? I don't know what I can do personally, but I do know that I'm sitting here offering to help hold out the first olive branch to bring peace to two groups of people. Is anyone here willing to try to help me make that happen?

Judith

People actually buy Hart to Hart DVD's? that fact is astounding in and of itself

You know whats more astounding? Thinking about someone spending the money to put them on DVD's, what is the most they can sell for 49 cents?

Judith, I applaud your efforts. I am sorry for all you are going through. I don't think you have anything to apologize to anyone for. When you write Rulli, I'd really love to know how you are responded to (not in detail, but in general). That will show alot.

Thank you, but I don't want to receive any accolades for anything whatsoever. The only thing I'm now here for is to try to work together with members of both forums to come to a peaceful co-existence. Perhaps the conversations should be taking place with the owners and moderators of the groups, since they are the ones who would have to place additional security measures onto their forums to keep others from posting on them, or to implement some type of test before approving members into their forums. Either way, I'm willing to help make that happen if someone will simply cordially explain how to accomplish that.

Judith

Judith yet again, and I come bearing the first olive branch. This message was posted a few minutes ago to the RJ group by its moderator. Also taking this in the spirit of creating peace that it has been offered in, who in this forum would like to extend the same courtesy? If nothing else, at least it will be a step in the right direction, because nobody can achieve peace or help heal the upset feelings of others unless they make a sincere attempt to try, and as requested by members of this forum, I've removed the names of those being referred to, and please ignore the typos because other than the names, I've not edited the text.

"Its J****** here, and I am willing to listen. Look, I have always wanted peace between the groups, I have never wanted all this nastiness, and I have never encouraged anyone from the RJ group to ever be nasty, or cause problems elsewhere. The person who is clearly on our group will know this, whether they have reported this accurately to you or not. I am sorry about the way my comments on my own group were reported to you. But you have to understand that from our point of view, we constantly feel under seige by people who "hate" RJ but join the group faking and lying that they are fans, but are only there to report our every word to this forum. It is almost always exaggerated, and twisted, and nasty, that is why we have this view of most of the people here. This has been going on for 2 years! Unfortunately we have tried to get rid of these infiltrators by removing people we were shown evidence of. When they started bragging on this group that we never got rid of them, anyone who we did not "know" was removed. I am terribly sorry if this included innocent people but we have felt desperate to end this infiltration. Please tell me what you want me to do. I have offered F*** a chance to give her side....she has not responded, and that is leading me to think you people may be right after all! I want to know who is pretending to be my friend and stabbing us in the back. So does C** - please somebody write to us and let us know. I truely believe it is handful of people who are stirring up this awful situation with our 2 sides. I totally respect your right to believe the book, if you want to, but we also have a right to disagree with that opinion on our own group! Please be civil or I won't respond to anything. I truely do want a truce."

No Judith, I sent it to this Death Board directly. I am totally sincere in wanting better relationships with this board. I have resisted saying anything, but I just want the decent people here to know I hate this situation as much as them.

Jessica,
You will never be able to keep infiltrators from your group. If they stir up trouble, get rid of them, but I think you'e eliminated innocent people in search of the true instigator...the one who has been trouble for so long.

The thing about this forum is that anyone can say whatever they want here. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes not. But, I will tell you, your "Fran" has played both sides for a long, long time. She is one of the most resented people at this forum.
She has a style everyone decent here recognizes (and believe it or not, there are some decent people here).... she tantalizes beyond control. She knows how to make even the decent people go crazy with anger. She is cruel and she stalks. Let her try to deny it. My only fear is that if you kick her out, she'll find her way back into yuor group, or linger here even more, but if everyone would just ignore her, maybe she would take a hint.

She's hard to ignore, though, because she is so cleverly deceitful. Not that we don't see through her one bit, but she'll come on with fabricated stories and many decent people leave her because of her.

I am a Natalie fan. I never was an RJ fan. I do believe the new book. But, I also believe in the right for everyone to have their own opinions as you say you do, too. That's a good start for people who want to end this ridiculous "gang war" -- that's what it's like sometimes!

She will just head back over to IMDB under another screen name and start up on there. They are blaming the Natalie Wood fans when they should be looking in their own back yard.

Thank you to whoever it is that just posted the message to Jessica. It's taken days but at least there's finally an open line of communication beginning to take shape, and it's one that shows we agree that both groups should have peace and are willing to try working together to achieve it. In fact, I'm over in the RJ group right now drafting a note saying that all three moderators, myself and several others you've expressed an issue with are all prepared to completely walk away from the group if it will show that we're sincere about putting this ongoing feud and hurt feelings between people to rest. The moderators would close it, but as it turns out, it actually doesn't belong to any of them, so we can't help you with that part, but if walking away from it will show all of you that we absolutely do not support the behavior that's taken place, we'll do it.

As for someone going over to IMDb or somewhere else, if that happens just refer back to my previous post regarding identity theft and do what homework is needed to be able to turn the person in. Just remember that you can't always control what gets said or done on the internet, but if they're literally using your name in any activity that can be counted as slanderous or libelous, there is recourse. I've had to talk to nearly every agency on the planet regarding identity theft at some time during the past seven years, and believe me, it's not pleasant by any meaning of the word.

It is so nice to see someone willing to discuss this like adults, and I see I have been wrong about at least some of the people on this group. I am all about "live and let live". I may not like the book, but I think we should all agree to disagree on this issue. I actually can see where you people are coming from believe it or not. I actually listen to your points. I am always going on in private to people about please be respectful when speaking outside the group..ad nauseum. In fact a lady on our group read the book and expressed doubts....I had people worrying that she was a "hater spy", but I did not want to remove the lady because she was upfront and honest about her doubts...we gave our views, and left it at that. She is still in the group. It lasted all of 5 emails....but we were accused by our "spy" of "yelling and screaming". I tell ya, I almost posted here that day it made me so mad! I don't want to remove people unfairly, and perhaps we can find another way of dealing with this problem. I think a lot of things blamed on our RJ group are either this troublemaker or perhaps even people outside our group who happen to hold the same views because Cal and I have not endorced anything designed to be underhanded. I agree about the infiltrators......it seems all the groups are having problems. Lets work together to find a solution to this, it is in the interests of all decent people.

I just wanted to ad, that as far as I know members of the RJ group only ever put up two reviews on Amazon, and Judith's was one of them. Now she has taken it down, there is only one from us. So I have no idea of who wrote any others. I am actually very much against writing reviews without reading the book. I think that is just wrong.

Lest anyone think I was joking when I said I was posting a note to the RJ group saying that we would walk, here it is and I mean every last word of it.

"Thanks for your note. I appreciate everything that people have said, but I also think there's another situation that needs to be addressed. There is a tremendous amount of discord on the other forum that has been caused by what is probably nothing more than a group of misunderstandings, and from what I've been told by their members, identity theft by at least one, if not more people. Because I wasn't active in this or any of the others groups for a large number of months, I don't know what has taken place along the way, but I do know when someone's feelings have been hurt and believe me when I tell you there are several people on the other group whose have been. Cal, Jessica, and the others who they've expressed an issue with (myself included) have talked and are completely willing to walk away from this group if it will prove that we support the idea of a peaceful co-existence between these forums. This group can't be closed by either Cal or Jessica because they don't own it, but if a large group of people has to completely walk away to prove to another group that their thoughts and feelings matter just as much as any of ours do, then that's what's going to happen."

You make a valid point but just because someone disagrees does not make them a spy or a lurker or a hater but why would you listen to what other people have to say anyway? Make your own decision and draw your own conclusion. I know for an absolute fact that there are people on these groups (all groups, not just Natalie and RJ groups) who are so enraptured by the star the group represents that even the slightest rebuff from someone against that star sends them into killer mode. Possibly that is what happened on your group.
I do not hate RJ but I believe there is more to the story than he is telling. If I was on your group and stated my feelings people would more than likely want me boiled in oil and you would boot me out. Why? Keeping in mind I did not call him a murderer or any thing like I know that certain people on your group would scream me off the board in unrelentling unison while the backstabbers remain laughing through it all.
Then you would get suspicious of everyone new (your word) or who might have a question or two about RJ's culpability and start booting off people while the two faced intruder gets over on you again. How do I know this? It happened to me. I was on your group and you booted me off for no reason. Absolutely no reason. I didn't post one single time because I knew if my post was taken the wrong way certain people would jump on it and get other people involved and I would become a hater to all and you would kick me out. So I stayed silent, kept my opinions and questions to myself and you still booted me out while the evil one stayed and laughed.
I only have one question for you, what is wrong with this picture?

Sorry. These posts are so out of order. My previous post in response starting with is for Je*****'s post not Ju****'s.

Quite alright, but thanks for pointing that out. I've already referred it to her to answer for you.

If a certain person would stop stirring that pot I think we'd be OK. Someone said to Jessica that the problem is in her own backyard. I would bet my last dollar that if Jessica were to read some of the posts on this forum, that they would very closely resemble posts on the Robert Wagner group site. I would also put money on the fact that this person does not post very often about Robert Wagner's career etc. I can tell you without being a member of your group that most of her posts are about Natalie Wood's death or something to do with Natalie. Am I wrong? She was the same way on IMDB. She said she was a Wagner fan but she constantly posted on Natalie's board. She stirred up trouble with everyone. She uses multiple names. I doubt that the name she is using on your group is her true name. I think you know who I am referring to. We can be at peace without people who come here to start trouble and join your group to start trouble. If we can put that away we could be at peace and simply agree to disagree about the book etc. Peace.

I know who you are referring to. She was screaming on the Lana Wood thread about Lana saying something which is not on the interview but it is on the Inside Edition site but it is not quoted. My friend on the RJ list told me that she was talking about the exact same thing on there. THE EXACT SAME THING and another person who is so in love with RJ and dislikes Lana so much and never liked Natalie that she can't see past this and was agreeing with her and this person is in another country and didn't see Inside Edition but she was agreeing anyway. Same person who didn't read GNGS when it was first released but was trashing it all over the place.
Holy Cow! Whoever you are you called that one in aces.

Peace is basically all any of us can ask for. If several people walk away from the other group as a stand of unity in support of creating peace between it and this one, it should say something for us. Considering the conversations that have been taking place, I think we're all of the same mind in reference to the person(s) I think you're making reference to. A person, who by the way, is NOT on the list of those who have volunteered to leave for the sake of showing all of you that we're serious about wanting to forge a better relationship with you. I'm sure we'd all love to be able to rid both forums of the people who are causing trouble along the way, but the only way that can happen is if the owners somehow create a sign-in system that registers IP addresses and refuses entry to more than one login from the same address. I don't know about this forum, but I'm fairly certain that Yahoo is not equipped for it, so all we can do is offer to leave the group. It won't make anyone less of a fan for not being there, but if nothing else, it will show that we do care about the feelings and concerns of the people in this group too.

Maybe we can start over? Those of us who believe the contents of the book can discuss it in peace and you guys can say what you will at your group. You have the right to say "I hate that book" and we have the right to say "I love that book" but things will never change if the fly in the ointment persists with her rants and her fabrications and her insults and her contrived revelations.
Those of us who post here would like nothing more than to post in peace and I'm sure you guys would like to do as you please and say what you please.
Maybe some good came out of this DVD thing. Easy for me to say, right?
Most of us are good people. Let's try to start anew.

What's that old saying? It only takes one bad apple to ruin the entire bunch. For the record, to my knowledge, no one on the RJ group has said literally said "I hate this book." I admit I've not read every message posted to the group, which I think we're all probably guilty of at one time or another, but those items I have read have usually included a message from Jessica or another member reminding people to respect the opinions of others, and to treat people as you yourself would like to be treated. The RJ group is not made of up of the array of monsters you think it is, just as we're all learning that the majority of you aren't at fault for a good amount of what's been passed along to us either. I'm sorry that people's feelings have been hurt over the past few years by people who have nothing better to do than create chaos, but I'm glad that we've managed to come to the realization that both groups have a membership issue needing to be addressed, so perhaps if we all work together, both groups will become better places for everyone to be.

As for the DVD issue, I wouldn't create another set if someone offered me the entire contents of the U.S. Mint and Fort Knox combined, and to be completely honest with you, I'm really getting tired of the series and can barely sit through an entire episode anymore. If members of the groups I belong to are upset with me for making that statement, well, I'll just have to live with it.

I'm going to sign out of this forum now for what will hopefully be the last visit regarding anything negative. If in some small way I've managed to open the lines of sincere communication then the past 24 hours has been time very well spent. I'd like to keep the lines of communication open, so if there's ever anyone who needs anything that I may be able to help with, unless my hosting service screws up my e-mail account again, my inbox will always be available to members of this group, and I'll help you with whatever I can.

To those of you who have taken part in the conversations of the past day, thank you for taking the time to express yourselves and for allowing us to do the same. With any luck, our next meeting of the minds will simply be on how to make the forums a safer place to spend time with friends. I'm sure Jessica will probably post a few more times after she returns from taking her mother shopping, but for me, thank you, and have a wonderful evening.

Sorry, one too many "said" in the line referring to the comment "I hate this book."

I am so glad you brought up this issue, its one I have wanted to address on this forum. In the example I gave, only a couple of people nicely suggested a concern...no evidence whatsoever, so they were simply ignored.
I am terribly sorry if we did you an injustice personally. But I must let you all know that everyone who "appealed" their removal was listened to and almost without exception re-instated! So had you just talked to me, you would almost certainly still be there.
The constant mocking on this site from this "spy" who names us and makes personal insults is so cocky, and infuriating, it tends to make you over-react. Their speech was so brazen, we decided, and I say we, because I never remove anyone by myself, (Cal and I always discuss it together), that we decided to remove people who we simply did not know well enough to trust. I cannot tell you how bad I feel about that, but we felt utterly pushed to the limit by this nasty person.
However we will not be going down that road again. I would rather leave the group myself with the people I trust than risk removing anyone innocently again. I am being totally honest with you about that. It always bothered me.
I have to take my mother shopping...she has dementia, and won't be ignored....so if I don't respond for a couple of hours...thats why.

I did not contact anyone for the simple fact that I was deeply hurt and I did not know that I could. I thought once a group kicked you out that severed all contact between the parties. Then I heard from a friend that you booted off a bunch of people and the evil one was allowed to stay because she sweet talked you.
I admit I have posted some rather nasty comments on this site about your group but it was out of hurt and I felt I had no other recourse and they are not the disgusting ones I've read on here. Just a few of the RJ group is a bunch of dopes variety.
I am sorry.

I just got back from taking my mother shopping, and just caught up on the posts. You will be happy to know I have removed Francispucci from the RJ group. I was only reluctant before because I actually did read some posts here that some people were removed innocently......Frankly it upset me a lot. (I am a terrible softy you see.) So I was worried I might also be doing an injustice to Fran - you see she always defended RJ on our group, so I saw no reason to remove her. I can see that this "bone of contention" is the cause of most of the problems between us living and let living. I gave her every chance. For someone who worries excessively about being fair, I do stuff up sometimes.
I hope this ends our "war".....I have no interest in fighting with anyone. I hope the person on our group who is mocking us on this board leaves us alone. Time will tell.
I think Judith has been wonderful through all this....she really is a genuine person who is sincerly interested in peace as am I.
Please email me privatly anytime if you ever have any concerns.

To the person who was wrongly removed......I totally understand, we all say things when we are hurt. Don't worry about it. Email me privately and we can see what we can do about that if you want.

Jessica, quite being a wimp, ******** would do anything to destroy you, have you seen what she has said about you on this site? grow up and quite being so naive.

Well, there you have it. She is still going after and stalking one person as usual and now she thinks over 100 posts are all this person person? This is what you want on your group? Best of luck.
She is the ruination of the groups and any site she spreads her vermin on.
Typical evil witch. Just typical. She is only happy when she is causing trouble and spewing her hate.
Wake up people!

I could have sworn everyone had agreed on not bringing up that name, although I'm still not sure why, so could someone with board editing ability please take care of that detail?

In the meantime, I wanted to add one last comment that I've just added to the RJ group regarding this board. I'd like to think that those of you on it are as sincere as your messages over the past few hours have been and thought the other members should know as well.

"Actually, Jessica and I have learned a very valuable lesson today. Never judge someone based solely on what you hear from others and instead take the time to actually talk to them personally. There are actually several very nice people on the Natalie discussion forum who have merely been victim to the same thing that this group has - overwhelming amounts of false information about each other and people trying to pit the groups against each other. No more. Our meeting of the minds and sincere lines of communication over the past 24 hours has brought both groups to the same conclusion: we're not going to tolorate it anymore, so if anyone is on this group with their sole intention being to create chaos within the Natalie Wood discussion forum, you're going to be in for a very big surprise when you discover that you're no longer welcome there either."

And just so you'll know that people have indeed acknowledged one of the biggest concerns of this group, the person you've all referred to the one who causes the majority of the issues has just officially been removed from the RJ group and the group has been closed to any new people trying to join, so if there's anyone left we need to know about, now would be a good time to let us know.

Thanks!

Thanks, she'll be here blaming ****** and Rulli, maybe Costello, too! Thanks for giving the witch to us. But, I'm glad you made the right move. No one deserves that low-life. NO ONE. Sorry, that's NOT name-calling. That is fact. She will say that I am ***** posting this. But I'm not.

You guys did the right thing. From this point on we will try to ignore her and her outrageous accusations and her venomous posts which are meant to stir the pot. Her recent post is an example.

I am not being a wimp. I am seeing that there are decent nice people on this board who want the same things we want. I am so pleasantly surprised and so glad I just decided to jump in and actually try and sort things out. I also want to thank the people here who treated me with such respect and showed the humility and intelligence to realise we need to co-operate, even if we can't agree on the book. I waited too long to just try and talk things out.....I am so glad we did this.

As you can clearly see she was ejected and in no time she started her usual rubbish.
You are not a wimp. You are a decent well meaning person who tried her best to reach out to people and as far as I'm concerned it worked. We all are now aware of the bad apple and we can move on.
My best to you and you group.

Beautifully stated Judith. As you can see that person is on here and also on other threads running her mouth. I for one am out of here and they can scream the site down for all I care. Her plan backfired in her face and now she will get uglier than ever as you can see my her post and nastiness to J****** but she can do all her screaming and name calling alone.
Best to you and maybe you can get a decent nights rest later tonight.

Judith, thank you. We can't get rid of her here, but I suggest we all ignore her, too. Just don't respond to her. If she says nasty things about Rulli, I think Rulli can take it. It only helps to sell books for Rulli anyway. If she says nasty things about *******, we all know she is her jealous stalker, so we just chalk it up. She's a true threat to all decent people, but she is avoidable. We just put her on ignore. All the way. For those who want to address her, may they do so at there own sanity.

Check it out. The PIG is now on imdb Natalie board under methusalah saying the most disgusting things about Natalie Wood. We knew it was just a matter of time before the PIG went HOG wild.

Hi, I dont know anything about this, I just read the thread and you guys this seems kind of extreme and mean. You have to figure that anyone watching Hart to Hart is really old. And its wrong to be mean to old people. This thread did not seem to have much to do with the beautiful lost Natalie and is instead a forum to say unkind things to senior citizens. I have never even heard of that show so you have to figure that anyone who has is a senior citizen. My mom loves the Golden Girls and is on a fixed income so she bought (I guess) bootleg tapes of the show at her church garage sale. Like I said I don't know anything about this but I cannot see a situation that would call for saying mean things to senior citizens.

Oh get over it. Nobody was calling anyone old. Stop trying to add a match to a fire that has died out. If your Mother bought bootleg anything it is against the law whether it is at a church, a car boot sale, on the steps of the Lincoln Monument, in the halls of Parliment or the freaking Leaning Tower of Pisa.
End of discussion.

Thank you for posting your message, and while I thank you for trying to defend the situation (which isn't necessary), I've got to tell you that not everyone who would have been watching the series is a senior citizen. Granted, most of the time these days I feel like I'm 95 but in actuality, I turned the ripe-old-age of 42 last Friday. Since you've read the entire thread, I think you'll agree with my estimation that after the conversations we had last weekend, I am absolutely positive that nobody would intentionally say anything meant to be mean or insulting to an elderly person. What's been discovered is that this forum, like many others, is made up of a group of diverse people who want to quietly come together to discuss a shared interest. Sometimes the opinions don't always match and that's okay. It would be pretty boring if everyone shared the same outlook on things all the time. I hope it's okay to speak for everyone on this topic when I say that no malicious harm was intended by anything posted and particularly not in regard to senior citizens, because while it's sometimes human nature to assume the worst of people (as you've just done with your post too), the people in this forum have all shown themselves to be better than that. You'd be surprised at what taking the time to actually have a conversation with someone can do instead of taking the stance of shooting first and asking questions later.

I hope everyone's having a lovely weekend!

I'm sorry I called you a senior citizen-not that that is a bad thing I mean. I maybe should have also said people like retro stuff. I only wrote that because I thought it was mean to compare bootleg cd's to criminal activity. But I guess some people are just really law and order types who never cheat on even little things. Thats a good thing really. But I still dont think my mom should go to jail for owning bootleg Golden Girl cds lol

It isn't a little thing! It is a federal offense. As a matter of fact, at the present time Sony is doing a majoe investigation of illegal copying of copyright material. This is all films, Television, DVDS, CDS, Video games, etc.
I certainly would not call that minor.
Warnings have been placed on these products for years but people keep copying them and the Feds are fed up.

If it was not a big deal why did a member named S***** go against J****H's request on the Hart to Hart group and bring it up again? I think the person who was going to make the report should do it.

Once again, trying to stir the pot. Go back to sleep.

She can't go back to sleep, she has kitchen duty and then she gets 1 hour out in the air then back to the cell.

I am one of the people you are referring to about sending something to Sony. Can't you take a joke? This was all set up between the two groups to weed out YOU!
I have no idea what you are talking about. Bootleg DVDS? Never heard of them! I'm sure others would agree with me. In short, MYOFB. If you do not understand the abbreviation I'm sure many on here will be more that happy to spell it out for you.

Yeah, I was glad to be part of the hoax to weed her out. Good job done. Internet play. Nothing like it!

She is just pissed off because everyone found her out.

and we both mean F, not J

F not J? I don't get it but I mean the fool who was thrown off the RJ group for backstabbing and telling lies. That is who I mean. Nobody else.

Yes, that's who I mean too.

If anyone is interested in obtaining a legal copy of the complete series go to ClickDVDstore and there it is!
Complete 6 seasons 118 unedited episodes on 17 discs! All region DVDS in a complete box set!
Now get this one! The price for the entire set is $54.95!
What goes around comes around! You dear people were buying bootleg seasons with major problems for $60.00 each when you could have got the whole set for less than what you paid for one season.
Don't take my word for it. Check it out yourself.

I just saw it. It was originally about 165.00 which is still cheap for 6 seasons complete.

it ran for only 5 seasons.

no one give a **** about H2H. Go on the Wagner group to tell them. I forgot, you can't, they kicked you out. Stupid fool!

On the site it says 6 seasons so go and argue with them tabloid queen!

We knew it was you. and I'm not a queen, stupid, I'm a king.

You are just a Nelly old Queen to me.

Once again the backstabber of the RJ group got her wires crossed! Still blaming the wrong people and now she has no where to go with her **** but here or we all know her new hangout with the dynamic duo of moron-itis!

Those pieces of garbage on that ClickDVDstore and all of the others that keep trying to sell anything higher than the second season is a bootlegged set. I bought one from them and the quality sucks, there's scenes missing out of every episode, the logo from the Hallmark Channel is sitting in the bottom right corner, and there's only 110 episodes in the five years and then eight movies ten years later. Whoever you are or pretending to be today, why don't you take a hint from everyone else and just get the hell out of here.

The words of a woman who would do anything to suck RJ's prick.

If anyone is interested in obtaining a legal copy of the complete series go to ClickDVDstore and there it is!

LOL! That's a bootlegged set! So much for a legal copy of the complete series. Only the first two seasons have been released on DVD so far, one brief visit to AMAZON will tell you so.

Complete and legal? PLEASE! If it were a completely legal set, the studio would have released them and on a hell of a lot more than 17 discs. They would be split by season in separate boxes and sold by companies that know there weren't six seasons. That should have been your first clue but since you haven't been able to figure out all of the other ones that people keep trying to give you I guess this one went right over your head too.

I've still got all of you posting on this thread and bringing more attentchion to it so I win! You all loose!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

"attentchion" "loose" LOL You are a winner, alright! You never cease to make a complete fool out of yourself. You are better that a stand-up comic.

better that a stand up comic? You should talk!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Sold by companies who know what they are doing? LOLOLOLOLOL Do you mean Sony or the bootlegger on the groups? I win. You loose!
LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Can you believe this fool with the LOL's?
Ignore the idiot. Stop feeding the troll!
She has won at nothing but if you all keep it going she will. Let her post all she wants. She can talk to herself like she does on another internet site.

First, the idiot who posted the two LOL notes above needs to do three things. 1 - Learn to spell. 2 - Get a f**king life. 3 - Take your split personalities, crawl back under your rock and go screw yourself. Nobody gives a damn about stupid discs of a twenty-something year old TV show or what group you got thrown out of. The only thing we care about is getting you the hell out of this one. Everybody agreed to end this thread a long time ago so let's just ignore this windbag and put this thing to rest for good. Unlike this troll who keeps trying to drag up whatever they can, we have better things to do with our time than encourage some psycho with more personalities than sane people can count.

Can someone cue the Bernard Hermann score from "Psycho"?

I see somebody on the H2H group when to the autograph signing and saw Stepanie Powers. She said she gave Powers a check for her charity. I hope it wasn't from the money made on the bootleg dvds because that is sin money.

Sin money? Oh excuse me and you are Saint Theresa? Get over it and move on. It didn't work so stop driving yourself crazy trying to dream up ways to keep posting on this thread. We all know you are on the other groups.

"Stepanie" LOL
Did they mention another faded into oblivion actress who was there?

Can we please stop playing into this lunatic's hands and quit posting? The only thing anyone is doing is letting this nut think they have the upper hand in whatever stupid power trip they're on, and especially since everyone knows the only trip they should be on is one to the looney bin.

ROFL ROFL Dumb fool to the stePanie troll only! Got it F******P****?

Did the people get their money back from the bootleg dvds? I don't think they did. No one talks about it on Natpack or Hart to Hart.
I'm just curious and I will bring it up anytime I want to. This is a free country.

If you want an answer to that question why don't you ask them the next time you are on Natpack or Hart to Hart under one of your many aliases. Why not try the RJ List too. Oh sorry! That is right! You can't ask them because they threw your sorry butt off of there. My mistake.

Just so there's no room for additional speculation on the part of the person who is obviously feeling the need for attention again, I'll answer this one myself. As everyone already knows, I requested that the videos be returned and offered of a refund for anyone who wanted one. I also sent individual messages to those who ordered them with the same offer in case they didn't see the message on the boards. Within four days, I received e-mails back from each person asking if they could keep their discs and refusing to accept a refund. I can't very well fly around the world to repossess them from people who don't want to give them up, nor can I make them accept funds that they've already said they won't take back. I've also said I wouldn't ever make another set for anyone and I have no intention of going back on my word.

While I was here, I did a bit of catching up on the posts that have followed my since last visit. In reference to a post saying that this was all nothing more than an orchestrated plan for getting this person out of the groups, I have no idea if that's actually the case or not, but for those of you who fought so hard to get this person removed from the RJ Group, you have my apologies. Not because they've been permanently removed, but because it took so long for the group's moderators to do it. The group is exceedingly quiet without a single negative word being said about this discussion board or anyone involved with it. It's amazing how the old adage about it only taking one person to ruin things for everyone else holds true. Thankfully, the threatening e-mails that were being sent to J*****a have finally stopped, although you'd get a kick out of the last one where F*** threatened to go to Yahoo if she wasn't re-instated immediately. Needless to say, that ploy didn't work either. Now that we have peace again (with the assistance of many of the people on this forum), I wish there were a way we could extend the same courtesy to all of you. If you think of anything, please let the moderator of this discussion board know and perhaps we can work together to make this forum a better place to hang out again too.

Hope everyone's having a wonderful week!
JM

Judith, sorry this thread keeps reappearing. Yes, it's the RJGroup long lost troll. The Group already did enough just by recognizing what this person really is (a sicko) and for that we are grateful. We wish we could all eliminate her here, too, and I think something could eventually be in the works for that. She could come back here under another IP address, but because she is so identfiable in her "ways" and "writings" she will immediately be reported again. If she continues with her ways, she is the only one who will have to deal with the consequences, just as what happened with the RJ Group. How sad for someone to live such a life. She doesn't even know the true meaning of troll and all she need do is look at herself.

Ignore her. Everyone else does. The people that do respond to her simply tell her off. She can not do anything and you don't have to explain anything to anyone. The past is just that. The past.
It was all a joke as the OP's have posted on here and she fell for it and no matter how roiled she gets people just laugh at her.
Notice not one person is on her side except the Vlad brigade of fools?
That should speak volumes to you and everyone else.

Judith,
You don't have to explain anything to that imbecile. You lived up to your end of everything and that is that.
That imbecile got caught at her own game of lighting the proverbial candle at both ends and she got burned. Everyone is on to her and she can't stand it but that is what happens to two faced back stabbing trolls.

WHAT IN THE HELL DOES WHOEVER BROUGHT THIS UP AGAIN THINK THIS HAS TO DO WITH A DISCUSSION BOARD ON THE DEATH OF THE GORGEOUS MURDERED NATALIE WOOD? God whoever is writing this leave that poor woman alone, go off and get upset about something valid, like oh here's some suggestions, Fort Hood, Afghanistan, our economy, the health care crisis, foster children, abused pets just for some examples.

You are using this site as a witch hunt and again WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH A DISCUSSION BOARD ON THE DEATH OF THE GORGEOUS MURDRERED NATALIE WOOD?

okay I gotta go meet a guy to buy a bootlegged copy of Brainstorm and then download some illegal songs onto my MP3, omg maybe I'm a terrorist lmfao

Why buy bootleg when you can get the real deal? LOL Are you not aware that Brainstorm is on DVD and unless you can change the world Fort Hood and the other subjects you brought up can't be changed with a pill or a shot and a beer or a prayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prayer is never out of place and anyone except convicted felons can help foster children and even felons can help pets. I didnt find Brainstorm on DVD at Hastings or Barnes and Noble either I did look. The part about bootleg was just a joke to show how silly it is to be concerned with such victimless crimes when there are so many real tragedies and so many good things people can do to change that.

There's a new edition of Brainstorm available. I think I saw it at Amazon

Thank you! I really want to see it. I know doing it made her happy so that is why I want to watch it. I have not enjoyed Miracle for example since I read what her mother did to make her cry, poor baby. But Brainstorm was her choice and so yup I'd love to see it, will check out Am, tonight

Don't believe everything you read about Natalie Wood's Mother. She certainly would not win the Mother of the Year contest but she is no where near the monster authors have portrayed her and the way RJ wants people, especially Natalie's daughters to to perceive her.
You may believe that or not but that is an eye fitness acoount and you never know who just might be reading this forum.

the above poster took the words right out of my mother. Natalie's mother was not the monster that some would have you think. She was not without faults, she was a manipulative woman but she was not as bad as some have said. The fact is she loved Natalie very much and Natalie loved her. If Wagner loved Natalie half as much as her Mom did she would still be with us.
As for Natalie crying on Miracle, according to Maureen O'Hara Natalie had fun doing that film. O'Hara said that her mother sat and watched her daughter, never tried to play stage mother. Don't let stories you hear that may or may not be true stop you from watching a film that Natalie was very proud of.

Well I'll certainly concede that compared to Wagner Natalie's mother was Mother Theresa but in both Lana's book and Finstad's the woman seemed to do her level best to intimidate and control Natalie and in the end if she hadnt been so crazy and instillled in Natalie a deep seated insecurity and fear of being alone then she probably wouldnt have married a drunken,closeted,insecure ultimatley violent man to avoid being alone. Natalie's love for her speaks to me only of Natalies capacity for love and loyalty no matter what, she offered it to Wagner too and to Mart Crowley and look how they all returned it.

I think the entire thing has been over analyzed. Natalie was a strong woman. She was not a fragile waif. No one controlled her once she reached adulthood.
The point is I would not let anything I read about Mud stop me from seeing Miracle or any of Natalie's work.

Susan Walker was a fictional character. Natalie Wood was not. We are not children. Those are not real characters up on the screen or in our televisions. It is called separating fiction from fact.

The poster said that he or she did not see Miracle because he or she read that Maria made Natalie cry during the shooting of that film. The film that Maria allegedly made Natalie cry was Tomorrow is Forever.

Miss O'Hara, never one to mince words is correct.
Concerning RJ's Mother; believe me she was not Mother of the Year material either. She sold her son to older women in her attempt to change his bisexuality to heterosexuality which never works. A person is who a person is.

whoa,really? thats a bad story! I dont want to feel sorry for him, but if thats true it explains his later feelings of misogyny towards women quite a bit, kind of like reading about Scott Peterson wackadoo of a mom. Lol its always the mother isnt it?

Uh huh sure and then we become adults and take our own path so let's not start blaming the parent for the off spring's behavior as an adult. Especially someone with a silver spoon in his mouth as RJ has been since birth.

His mother encouraged an older woman to sleep with him because her son was spending too much time with older Gay men. He was in his early 20s.

So in lay man's term's (no pun intended) she sold her son to an older woman.