Let's take a breath and start over and avoid the person who tries to incite trouble on this forum. I'm sure she will be back with more and I'm sure she we have "friends" join her. Let's try to ignore it. It's been a long day.

I'm all for it. Can you lock the other topic so no other posts can be added? It's a good outcome for us and it would be good if we leave it that way.

All for it...here's to a new beginning.

I'm onboard with that too.
I don't think that other thread can be "locked" but if we all avoid it it will just fade. I know that might be easier said than done but if we all stand together on this one issue it just might work.

Count me in too. Drastic times call for drastic measures.

I do not want to go back to that "other thread" but one thing else: the RJGroup should keep Joa*ne in line, too. She fed off the now bumped Fr*n. Just a reminder to "remind Joa*ne." Now, I'm done. And this is a much quieter place. Let's keep it that way.

I wasn't going to bring it up at all but as you mentioned it, yes I agree. Both the moderator and the person you mentioned were very in tune to that ejected member's lies and posts and I noticed that many people on here were trying to make reference to her and that she she not be trusted but the group went along with her anyway right down to this past weekend in discussion about the Inside Edition Interview regarding Lana. Again she lied and without seeing the interview the person you mentioned jumped right in agreeing with her. I won't continue to beat the proverbial drum over all this I just wanted to add my feelings toward that other member and now I will say no more on this entire subject and hopefully we can all put it to rest.

Let's put this away.

Just wanted to give you all a quick heads-up that the retaliation portion of all of our newly found peace has begun. A note has just been received in which everyone's least favorite person is now threatening J*****a, and has issued the ultimatum of either reinstating their membership in the RJ group, or everyone in this forum will be hearing about a group of e-mails that had been previously sent giving this person the opportunity to basically slip up and admit what everyone here has suspected all along. To top if off, she's also now accusing J*****a of actually being G*** A*****! One of these days I really would like to know what the story is with that woman, but needless to say, the membership isn't being reinstated, so in the meantime, I thought it was only polite to give you advanced notice just in case.

Hope everyone's having a lovely day!

We will not hold any emails against anyone. Fra* won't do any more damage, we promise!

This all sounds very Vlad like. He used to go on the IMDB site and say All these people you mentioned were GA. I can recall when he also said the other moderator C** was her too and even some of the men who posted. I recall people coming right out and telling him basically who they were he still insisted they were all GA. Obsession is a very bad thing.
He said everyone was GA which seriously would have meant that this person had at least 4 computers going and she was on them 24/7.
I wonder what is in the water where these people live?

Someone needs to contact this J****** person and let her know what is being said so she is aware of this. Threats are threats and they should never be taken lightly.
As we all know anyone can write a bunch of e mail looking posts and plop them on here. It would be a different case if she had peoples e mail addresses and forwarded them on to them. Then their might be some credence in her post.
The groups found the culprit. Tended to their gardens but ain't it just like a weed to pop up somewhere?

I'll pass the message on to J*****a and let her know not to worry. Thanks for your kindness and consideration. Have a wonderful evening!

Likewise. Have a great evening and please remember, I really am only trying to help not add to the smoldering fire.

After a day of attempted blackmail, and threats, F*** is showing me now why there has been so much animostiy between our groups. I could never understand why you people seemed so angry with the RJ group....and I was silly enough to think it was only about our belief in his innocence. I see the real reason for level of bad feelings between us.
For that I apologise. I can see so clearly now the damage this person has done and threatens to continue to do.
I am willing to show you not only the attempted "blackmail email" but the emails she thinks will start everything up again.
I think any intelligent person can see I had doubts about her and was actually trying to win her confidence and get her feelings on the person who is stirring up trouble on this group. I sent her 2 emails. She must have suspected my motives because she refused to answer either one of them.
I apologise for not seeing through all this earlier.....not being on any other group but the RJ group has its disadvantages.
I don't know where to start......the first email was sent in September while I was mainly concerned with the person "spying" on our group and mocking us on the forum. BTW I don't even care about that anymore, because now I see why they were so angry too!
Perhaps I will start with the "blackmail" email - I must remind you of the climate at the time, and the fact that my words are taken out of context. Then I will show you the emails. Here goes:..............
Jessica,

I was unaware of your October 8, 2009 and October 17, 2009 emails.

On Sept 25, 2009 I posted a message to the group and you saying that I received an email that my name was brought up as being the lead hen gray hair mole who reports everything BACK TO THIS GROUP.

On Sept 26, 2009 you responded to my post stating that "I always defended RJ with facts, then you said "please don't think I was directing anything at you".

On October 8, 2009 you sent me a PRIVATE email asking me for help. You said "the death board are worried about me", then you said "I want you not to worry-I am not falling for it". You then said "I appreciate me having the guts to speak up about the awful book". Then you asked me for help finding the traitor and you named jenniebarbara as your obvious choice. You then asked me to keep this email private.

On October 17, 2009 you sent me a PRIVATE email asking me for help again. You said "there is a traitor on the group reporting to the death board", you then said "you were trying to reassure me that you DO trust me and not for me to worry about you believing the crap on the death board", then you again asked me "if I had any ideas who the traitor is".

On October 18, 2009 you sent me a PRIVATE email accusing me of being the person who is causing trouble on the death board.

On October 18, 2009 you terminated my membership without cause.

Last night for hours I went through the posts on the death board, some but not alot had my name attached to them, mostly accusing a poster of being Fran/Vlad/MiMi/Joanne.

Jessica, do you think I posted all that vile garbage on the death board? I know you don't.

Furthermore, what does the death board have to do with the RJ group? I am presuming my membership was terminated because you think I am the traitor, furthermore it is posted on the death board that my membership was terminated, how would anyone know this unless thay are a member of the RJ group.

Jessica, I am not stupid, I have come to the following conclusions:
1. I was totally set up by ******** and you fell for it.
2. For some reason ******* is blackmailing you and Judith and the trade off was me and my membership.
3. You are ****.

Jessica, I do not want to argue with you, but, I need to defend myself and are prepaired to do so. I have unjustly been removed from your group not because I did something wrong on your group but because you are presuming I am posting on another group. I am respectfully requesting your evidence or facts showing that it is I that made those posts. If you can not provide this information then I would ask to be reinstated as a RJ group member. If I am not reinstated I will send this email and the private emails to Cal, all the RJ group members which I have their email addresses. If further action is needed I will post all this information on the death board.

You must understand I have to defend myself. I have done nothing wrong, you would do the same. I hope it will not come to drastic measures, I am willing to let it go and once again enjoy being a proud RJ group member as I always have.

Fran

Someone take care of placing the **** on GA's name please. The full name wasn't meant to be there. Sorry.

I am so sorry, this poor girl J########### is mentioned by her but in actual fact that is a complete misrepresentation of what was actually said. Please remember that at the time, I was extremely upset by the mocking of us on this forum by our "spy", and at the time was suspicious of why you wanted me to remove F###. Of course now I understand why!!! I hope you all realise this was said in the climate of what I knew at the time.
Here is what I wrote to her:
Hi Fran,
I have been keeping tabs on "Death Board" and boy are they worried about you! LOL They keep trying to get me to remove you, by accusing you of everything......I am amazed you have not been accused of JFK's assasination! haha
I am always "leary" of anything "haters" want me to do, and my theory is that getting you thrown off the group is a great way to damage your credibility. But I want you not to worry - I am not falling for it. I know you always defend RJ to the hilt. Always have.
I have been encouraging people privately that I know do respond on the "Death Board", to avoid the temptation to talk like them. They use name calling, accusations, mockery and just plain nastiness all the time, and its very important to be "classy" and not to fall for the same trap.
I have no idea if you even respond on the Death Board or if you know who does, but this person called "Vladismyidol" and the person who is always accusing people of being ***** is just making RJ fans look bad....and a little crazy too. If you have any idea of who is doing that, can you let them know it is only doing harm. I do not belong to other groups, so I can only speak to the RJ group. I know you like to stick to the "facts"......I much, much prefer that appoach!!!
And by the way, I appreciate you having the guts to speak up occasionally on the RJ group about that awful book. I think most of the group are too intimidated. But unfortunatly we do have a "traitor" who is reporting every word we say to that board. They accused us today of "yelling and screaming" about the book. LOL
Do you have any idea's who this traitor is? I can use all the help I can get. It seems the obvious choice is J############, because of her "doubts", but I am not so sure....
Please keep this email private.....even people you think you can trust can be very devious."

I hope the decent and fairminded people I have found on this group can see that this email from way back in September, is not how I feel now. I do not want bad feelings with any of you. I want our "New Beginning" to continue.
Please do not let this person ruin all the good we all were able to accomplish.

I have also had numerous other "threats" today from F*** if I do not re-instate her. I promice you that will not happen. Ok, now you can say I told you so!

I don't hold anything against you. I can only speak for myself and I know what one bad apple can do and I'm sure you were frustrated beyond belief.

No prob. As long as there is peace between the groups let her rant and rave. Her and Vlad will blame everything on one person anyway. They always do.
I did notice that in the past few days anything that is brought up from groups is old things or just what you spoke about. Nothing current for the fact that the mole has been kicked out and she can't talk about something she knows nothing about because the door is locked and she can't get in.

Jessica,
Isn't it obvious now, since Fr*n has accused YOU of being G**l that she is the obsessed stalker of G**l? My goodness, how desperate can this person get? How mentally ill is this person?This freak of nature actually believes that every word, comment, and review of the new book has G**l behind it.
Do you realize how many 1000's of books have been sold, and how impossible it would be that only one person will talk about the new book?
Frankly, I think you and your group worry a bit much about what Natalie fans think. There are going to be RJ fans who read Goodbye Natalie and have doubts, I'm afraid. No matter your opinion, which I respect, you have to face the reality that some people will read this book and question things. It's obvious that they won't be able to do it at your group where they will face suspicion and elimination if they voice a doubt, as you obviously admit was the case in your secret emails, now exposed for us to see.
I have no idea what goes on at your group, and I am all for the "peace treaty" especially if it puts Fr*n in her place, as I've had enough of her accusing ME of being someone I'm not here, but I've got to say, I'm sure glad for open forums like this where "secret emails" don't go around, and people can say what's REALLY on their minds.
The only problem ANYWHERE, OBVIOUSLY, was with a member from your group. Your advantage is that you can eliminate her. This forum can't, unless, of course, the owner of this place is contacted enough to know he will lose his visitors if he doesn't tame her, too. Maybe the decent people here should contact him and get the job done here, too!

You must understand this is not a group. It is a forum where people come and go under anonymity. I belong to two groups where people are allowed to speak their mind with no fear of being ejected as long as it is done respectfully and no one tries to shout down other people. One is a political group and I'm sure I don't have to tell you how heated that can be at times but it is still handled with respect and dignity.
I must say that I am one of the people who have tried to get the RJ moderators to see the light on several occasions. In fact, I sent two personal messages over the past year to the site in the only way I knew how. Through the 200 words or less page of why I wanted to join. I did not want to join but I wanted the group to be aware of the crazy lady bent on destroying people. I got no response at all and it continued to epic proportions.
What might have happened is this, because a blind eye was turned toward this person by their group and no one would believe that she was capable of doing these sort of hateful things she was empowered to go the limit. Adding to this were other members unknowingly adding more fuel to the fire by agreeing with her. I;m not blaming them. She certainly is a pro at her course in life and presenting different faces to get what she wants.
I don't know about the RJ group but I do know she is on Natpack under a different screen name but her posts all run the same and are very obvious. From what I have heard she posts the same thing on both groups and here.
Just keep in mind, threats should never be taken lightly no matter where they come from.

I've studied people like F***. In a clinical sense, they latch onto a topic or a subject and because they don't possess the ability or intelligence to present themselves in a sane manner, their obsession carries them past an acceptable point or level. Ironically, their actions come in the guise of support for someone or something they choose to idolize, defend, admire, etc., but in actuality, their actions stem from a deep seeded insecurity that ripens into dangerous type jealousies, stalking, threats, paranoia, etc., resulting in unacceptable behavior. Normal people label them as "crazy" but when people like this pose the kind of problem shown here lately, it's really out of control. This person can legitimately be considered dangerous. Maybe everyone should shut down for a while. This person should seek immediate help.

Personally, I feel very sorry for Jessica. This person has to be mentally unbalanced to think that threats would get her reinstated on the Robert Wagner group. If you are out there Jessica, go on with your group as if F... P.... does not exist. We will try to do the same. I think we have found peace between this forum and your group.

First of all I want to thank the people here who clearly want to continue with peaceful relations between the groups. That is all I have ever wanted, live and let live. But I have to inform you that I have decided to leave the moderating of the RJ group to Cal. My nerves are shot, I don't need all the stress of moderating in my life. I look after my elderly parents, one has bad dementia, and my husband is chronically ill with Parkinsons disease. I need peace in my life, not more stress. This has been coming for a while....but this last week has helped me with this decision. Cal has been wonderful, and she feels the same about keeping the peace.

You generated much calm and honesty among the regulars here and I thank you. Be well and take care of "you and yours" and don't give the looney another thought.

I just have to say this, I am the person that wrote the other post to the wonderful lady from the RJ list. My daughter found this site for me after I read the posts on the RJ list of which I am a member.
I never get involved in personal arguments and I refuse to comment on any books but I am so upset I just have to speak out.
I think is is apalling that a wonderful lady like her has been threatened. Where is the compassion and caring in the world? I only know her through the RJ list but she is one of the most caring people I have ever met on the internet and whoever you are you are a lonney and should be ashamed of yourself!
I have read all these horrible posts and then reading hers I saw the calm coming over this site and people speaking nice to each other. She is a wonderful lady and deserves respect.

You are the mole.

You are a jerk. You are the mole and the scum bag. You hate when decent people are sincere and show feelings and you were found out. You are nothing but a hateful spiteful rotten *****. Try and threaten me like you did to those ladies you pig. They may take your **** because they are decent women but this guy won't. Make sure you tell your buddy Vlad to lay off too or I can take him on anytime you want you worthless motherless piece of ****.
Now go and **** yourself because no one else will.

Don't get crazy on her. That is what she wants. Ignore her and maybe she will dry up and fade away like all scabs do.

Exactly! The more you tell her off and pay attention to her the better she likes it and the more she will do. She is deranged. She is really wild because the moderator at the RJ group beat her at her own game.
Ignore her like the OP said and she might disappear.

That cretin slag will never disappear. She is a bubbling cess pool of lies and filth and everyone is aware of her and everyone hates her. She is a grade A Nutter!

You are all so foolish you do not see. She is the mole...not me.

You are all so foolish you do not see. She is the mole...not me. And with that one sentence you just gave yourself away! Dumb slapper! Now everyone knows it is F****** P****. Why else would you try to fob it off on someone else? All the OP posts are standing by this J****** person from the RJ group and you jump in here playing your game again.
Why don't you give it up you pillock. You were found out and everyone is taking the piss about it. Just admit it to yourself and get into care.

Hey people. Me again. I just posted about the slag giving herself up. I just want to be sure everyone knows I'm not talking about anyone from the RJ group or Natalie groups or the people who post from that group on here. Everybody posts anonymous so it is hard to know who is talking to who but I want it know I am talking about that slag F****** who caused all the trouble on all these groups.
No need to tell me not to post or ignore her because I will do what I want anyway. I'm not going nasty on anyone just telling the truth.

Prove it F++N! Sounds like you doesn't it. PROVE IT! It is already proved that you are deceitful by the e mails you sent and were posted on here. You would probably blame your own Mother if you thought you would get away with it. Now everyone is a mole just like everyone who supports the Rulli book is G++l. You are so transparent.
You are the only two face mole around here and we all know it.

Uhm, folks. The person you're referring to as "the mole" and saying rather not so polite things about at the moment actually IS a current member of the RJ list and didn't mean anything negative towards the people on this forum. I believe she's one of the members from outside of the U.S. and her English gets a bit mixed up in the translation from thoughts to actual print. She posted pretty much the same message on the RJ Group and was actually leaving the message as a post to everyone's least favorite person. I guess she should have added that detail to her message when she was posting it. On her behalf, I apologize for the confusion and unpleasant feelings the post may have caused because it was most definitely not intentional.

Hope everyone's having a wonderful evening!

Addendum to the last message - Despite the fact that you've "nailed" the wrong person, thanks for taking a unified stand! It means a great deal to know that we're all committed to keeping both forums on good terms with each other and will work together when need be.

Just went back and read the posts that were left and noticed the one at 7:12PM. I'd somehow missed that one when I glanced the first time. In which case, I now know you WEREN'T jumping on the person who commented about J*****a's character, but rather the post at 7:12PM. In which case, please ignore my first message, keep the second as it is, and carry on picking up with the one left at 8:09PM.

Thanks!

I was not referring to the member from the RJ list or either ladies who's name starts with a J. I was referring to that horror of the internet F*****s.
Someone said it is hard to understand who is responding to whom on here so I want it made clear I am referring to F*****s when I state you are a pustule on the face of society.

I wasn't responding to the Rj person I was responding to the moron who caused all the trouble on here and on other groups and then tried to blackmail someone with e mails.

Everyone knows that. Not a problem. We all know it is the F______ person and no one else.

She will head over to imdb soon and start trouble on there like she does everywhere else. I wonder what name she will use. Maybe Frannyfannyrjw007 or minimefran

Well there has been someone over there calling themself Frantique-Fromage. Suppose there's any connection?

I don't know about that but watch out for AQUAPOD.

aquapod is another of Fran's IDs.

She has more IDS than an octopus has tentacles! I wonder if she looks like one too?

She is already hitting imdb and having posts deleted from people she hates and they are not on Natalie or RJ's board. She is sick sick sick

I sort of thought that would happen. She can't get threads and posts deleted on here because it is privately owned but on imdb it is all computer generated and no staff checks each post for deletion.

This new beginning was a great idea. Sucks that some people want to keep screwing around with the nice changes being made. Can we make the morons who keep trying to mess things up go away?

We keep trying but since the have no brain cells they don't get the hint.

They get so bored talking amongst themselves because they are boosheeters all the way. They read EVERY WORD here, and can't stand they aren't civil and decent enough to contribute sensibly, so they throw in their lol's and boosheet but if we ignore them, they will tire. Just trust me on that one. Leave them the hell alone and eventually they will have nothing here.

Easier said than done, but we'll give it a try.