Why is everyone being so shy? I was not crazy about the IP display for privacy reasons but it served a purpose for many of us, I am sure. It answered questions that burned in our minds for a long time. Now we know who the troll is who is responsible for the downward spiral that this forum descended into. We know that prince and grayhair and vindicator and Vlad and Cher and Fran and Jocko and countless other IDs belong to the same person. Be aware, there is no such person as Vlad Dramisio. He does not exist. He is just one of many in the sick cast of characters of this rather disturbed individual. We also know the identity of the maniac who send those vile messages to Simone. Another demented individual. Whether we agree with Simone or not, what was done to her by that Creed person is wrong. It's one thing to deal in controversy and recieve negative responses but to send sick, filthy messages is quite another.
The RJ list controversy, IMO, was a small part of this. From some of the IP scanning, they were not angels, either. None of us were. Some of the trouble with the RJ list was started by the troll with numerous IDs. I suspect this person wanted trouble between the die hard fans of Natalie and the die hard fans of RJ. He succeeded. Hopefully, that's over but let us remember, this is the Death of Natalie Wood Discussion Forum. RJ is not popular on this site. That's the way it is. As it is wrong to attack the ladies of the RJ list, it is just as wrong for those ladies to use the word "moron" when describing those of us who do not see RJ or Natalie's death, as they do. You can't have it both ways. Let's try to remember that. Let's have some peace as we go on to discuss this topic.
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Although I don't agree with most everything that this Simone Bell has to say or like her snooty attitude. I'll just stay clear until RJ goes to trial. Then I'll throw my "Told ya so's", rotten eggs and tomatoes at her!!! :D
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One screen name on this forum. One Internet Protocol Address Number. Both were duly and publicly noted yesterday for anyone that had any doubts or aspersions prefunctorily cast on me in previous posts; especially from two particular people who had enough screen names to fill a telephone directory.
That might be a slight exaggeration but only the slightest.
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May I make a few light suggestions? We might want to try our best to ignore comments we would deem as nothing more than bantering in less stressful circumstances and concentrate on one of two remedies; hold an adult conversation and make an honest attempt to post around such insipid remarks which only seem to heighten the situation or just hold our tongue and refrain from posting altogether.
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Well I didn't know anything about you, Simone or anyone telling you to leave. I just know that when you said you read GNGS in one sitting, that for a rational caring human being, that it's impossible to retain any factual information, that Marti Ruli has been gathering for over 25yrs. Especially when you had been posting up statements in support of it and then came out against it. There is just too much irrefutable information and facts in it, for those with true Enquiring Minds to ignore. Granted it's not perfect. But I've never read a perfect book in my life. Well except for a few Dr. Seuss books..... lol and I'm not about to get into religious books or we'll have ourselves a new war going on in here. Bothered anyone? No..... you haven't. Only your attitude toward the only person that has come forward to put his version of events to the test, under a polygraph examination. Where is Christopher Walken and Robert Wagner's willingness to submit to a polygraph on this? According to common knowledge on these matters, only the innocent are willing to voluntarily go under "the Box"'s detection of the truth!
Here's an excellent expose on polygraphs, from a defense attorney no less!
The controversy over her death is not new and it's not going to go away ever. Unless the other's there, at least agree to summit to polygraph tests or the case is re-opened by the Los Angeles County Prosecutor's Office! ....is RJ really willing to just let these proceedings go on in silence? Knowing that by his silence he only keeps the controversy alive even after his death. That by his refusal to confront or answer these accusations of lies and withholding of evidence, convicts himself by default? Remember.... the court of public opinion has spoken in forums like this for close to 30years and to them..... RJ is as guilty as OJ was! .....Robert Wagner's Legacy is at stake and he can run, but he can not hide from the truth. Whatever that is!!!
Here's the link minus the apostrophe preventing it from simple being clicked on to go there. You can however copy/paste the entire link above, into the address bar and it'll work that way too.
I agree with you Mannyr, and you too Yen, it was a courageous move putting up the IP addys, and notice who are not here today?
I knew Yen would be here, because he has integrity. I also agree calling anyone "moron" is not right on either side. I only wish that was the only nasty thing that was ever said. I know people get upset, especially in the heat of passion and things have been said in anger on both sides. We cannot change the past, but we can all resolve to be honest and respectful from now on. This could be such an interesting place to converse, but a handful of brazen troublemakers practically took over the place!!!!!
Yen was brave enough to speak up, and obviously Frank is a decent and fair man who saw what needed to be done.
Lets move on from here..... Jessica
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Hartbeat,
If you feel I am with enough integrity that you would come forward and state it publicly even though we hold different views on certain subjects possibly I can give you some advice?
Choose your associates carefully. I've noticed the word "gullible" tossed in the same sentence with your name on several instances. I don't feel that is true. Not unlike me, I've noticed you have extended yourself to people because you try to find the good in all. Don't be swayed by a few reviews, comments or compliments toward yourself or Robert Wagner.
For almost three years I was taken in by someone who was not as they appeared. Imagine my shock when the same Internet Protocol Address Number showed not once or twice but six times on here for different screen names? Those names, that particular number and address domain link this person to this forum, an Amazon review and an abundancy of Amazon comments, the IMDB board and my own personal email correspondence and chats. I do believe it also held a past link to your Robert Wagner List Group. The amalgamation of diversity in their thoughts and posts still has me astounded. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes I would have never believed this was all the handiwork of one individual. In short, this one person was burning the proverbial candle at both ends with the middle thrown in for good measure! This person is neither a fan of Wagner nor of Wood. This individual's only fan base is their own convoluted mind in toto.
I do not suffer fools easily but in this event I was the fool! It pains me to admit it but admit it I must.
I've certainly learned by this mistake and I thought I would pass this along to you for future reference. Possibly it will help you in not making my mistake.
Respectfully,
PK
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Moosetang, you've never read a book in one sitting? That's not unusual. I've read many books in one sitting when I'm interested in the subject matter. I had waited a while to read GNGS, and so, my interest was peaked. What does it matter whether I read it in one, two, or three sittings? That has no bearing on my opinion of the book.
I'm not going to defend anyone's actions in posting obnoxious comments on Simone's Blog. But I'd have to see proof that it was Creed before I accepted that allegation. If you can't prove that it was actually Creed that left those (beyond a shadow of a doubt), then you nor anyone else has a right to make those allegations in the first place. But even if he did...., that's still no reason to discount his beliefs or right to freely express his opinion in a public forum such as this site. For that matter, even at Simone's Blog. This is the free and open internet by the way. If you can't take the heat.... then you all better get out of the kitchen!
In your post mannyr, you are doing exactly what you say you're against. So which side of your mouth are you speaking from? Because by calling Creed a DESPICABLE, DEMENTED MANIAC you are pointing your finger right back at yourself.... AND that's under your own rule!
If you are all really interested in being involved in an open discussion (involving both sides) on Natalie's death, then you too need to cut the trash talking yourself!
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"Hopefully, that's over but let us remember, this is the Death of Natalie Wood Discussion Forum. RJ is not popular on this site. That's the way it is. As it is wrong to attack the ladies of the RJ list, it is just as wrong for those ladies to use the word "moron" when describing those of us who do not see RJ or Natalie's death, as they do. You can't have it both ways. Let's try to remember that. Let's have some peace as we go on to discuss this topic."
As long as any of you continue to attack each other, then there can be no PEACE.... We'll just continue to have this stone throwing match with tempers flaring and bantering back and forth to no end. I don't think any of us should be involved in the other's side of discussions on other sites anyway. We are never going to convince anyone on either side, on their own turf, that the other is wrong and then no argument can ever be won.... ever. We are all just stating our own opinion and have a right to defend it no matter what is said, insults and all. If we're not adult enough to understand what freedom of speech entails, then we all need to learn what that is. So now... I'm going to re-quote your last statements and leave it at that:
"""You can't have it both ways. Let's try to remember that. Let's have some peace as we go on to discuss this topic"""
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"I'm not going to defend anyone's actions in posting obnoxious comments on Simone's Blog. But I'd have to see proof that it was Creed before I accepted that allegation. If you can't prove that it was actually Creed that left those (beyond a shadow of a doubt), then you nor anyone else has a right to make those allegations in the first place. But even if he did...., that's still no reason to discount his beliefs or right to freely express his opinion in a public forum such as this site. For that matter, even at Simone's Blog. This is the free and open internet by the way. If you can't take the heat.... then you all better get out of the kitchen!"
It was Creed. All of the IPs were published here yesterday, and I SAVED them. Good thing, because they were only up for one day. There's no way to do a revisionist history on what was revealed here yesterday. There just isn't. Other people saw it.
And to say that no one should trample his right to express himself is laughable, when I was basically, for all intents and purposes, RUN OFF OF THIS SITE. I was told to leave, to STFU. I didn't see anyone attempting to muzzle Creed, so why the concern for his right to speak out?
So Creed has a right to speak out at my blog? Sorry, but with his comments like "you're a c**t," no thank you, I will not publish such filth - the degrading terms that would get my blog taken down for TOS violations by Creed. Anyone can comment on my blog, IF THEY BEHAVE THEMSELVES. Creed has not. That is why his comments were not published, because I cannot publish the words that he used.
As far as not being able to take the heat - where has Creed run off to? Now that his trolling has been exposed, he seems to have vanished....I guess the heat got too hot FOR HIM.........
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Simone,
I do not know you and you do not know me but is there any way that you can post around comments you don't care for? I understand how upsetting this all is for you but you are solving nothing by the continuous back and forth banter.
I have recorded the Internet Protocal Numbers the same as you have and if you have read my previous response to Harbeat you are aware that I was duped by someone too.
In previous discussions Hartbeat and I have both admitted that we have said a few things we really shouldn't have. The heat and anger of the moment took precedence over our normal judgements. Abeit, never have we stooped to the vituperative level of some of these people, thank goodness.
As a rule, no matter how just I feel the cause I always try not to throw dirt in anyone's face but you are as guilty of mud slinging as many of us and I include myself in that comment.
You state you have said nothing wrong and in the perspective of some of the other comments from trolls, yours are mild in comparison but if I might give you just a few instances of your comments; calling people a "dunce", referring to Marti Rulli as someone's "Lord and Savior", making comments about "footrubs" just encourages the bad behavior to continue.
Once again the subject of Robert Wagner and Natalie Wood loses the thread and dissipates into personal arguments, name calling and vendettas. I implore you, please take the higher road of the two and make every effort to post around all this personal nonsense.
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PK
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Take the high road?
Exactly what do you think I have been doing - for months, now?
I was told to shut up and go away.
So I did.
I didn't post here. I don't have multiple identities here.
And what happened?
There have been numerous posts about me, insults, questioning my integrity.
Threads like "Simone has lost her friggin mind."
Ridiculous insinuations; all sorts of baseless accusations about me ONLY because I do not believe GNGS.
I DID take the high road.
And people here insulted me, where was your plea to them to "take the high road?"
You are aware of what has been said about me here, are you not?
I stayed away from this site, but that wasn't good enough for these people - they came onto MY blog, and left filthy obscene messages - calling me a "cu*t" - even insulting comments about my mother! BUT I DID NOT COME HERE AND SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I still avoided this site, because I am not interested in any sort of war like that.
Yes I did make the comments you cited but I did not make them here, I made them on my OWN blog, and on IMDB.
And they were always made in reaction to the filth and outright LIES that have been said about me right here on this forum. So don't even act like there has been some big "back-and-forth" war going on, because I have said very little, compared to the mountain of filth and obscenity I have been dealing with!
It was only when I was made aware that someone was saying I was "trolling," that I said I hoped IP addresses would be checked - and, mercifully, they WERE. And they showed that Creed was the one who has been coming onto my websites, for months.
Why is it that you have no problem with the nasty vulgarities said about me and to me on this site; yet when I am finally - after MONTHS of abuse - finally vindicated, you want me to be quiet?
It seems peculiar to me, that you have not been calling for this sort of nonsense to stop, loooonnnngggg before now. Or have you? If so, please educate me and point me to the threads where you did so.
Where was your plea to "take the high road" when all of these comments were posted to me, ON JUST ONE THREAD, the thread where I said I did not believe Dennis Davern - where were you, then?
F**k you and f**ck your litte bullsh*t blog
You're nothing more than an idiot
Get lost, you're simply full of sh*t
It's your kind of dirt we don't want around us.
You are full of S!IT!
GET THE FUC% OUTTA HERE.
I know you're an idiot but are you stupid too? (I'm guessing yes)
WTF are you retarded or what?
F k out of here and go sniff Vlads tool
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Simone,
Fine. I can clearly see that you don't care to have an adult concersation on here and consider yourself correct in everything. I could have done a rant on what I have been called on here and on Amazon which was everything from Satan to a Fag to...well, I won't bother continuing. I'm sure you get the gist and why would I bother repeating those words which hurt me deeply?
It appears that because you were wronged by certain individuals you are set on dragging everyone into this.
I asked you for a favor. You refused with a barrage of reasons and insults directed at you which did not come from me and which I have no need or want to read. Why not take this up with the person(s) who called you these names?
I fear you are out for blood and you do not care whose is spilled as long as you reach satisfaction.
I have heard that you did this on the Robert Wagner group and were asked respectfully to direct your frustration and anger elsewhere as no member on that group was a part of this and some individuals were tired of hearing about it. Your response was a shortened verson of your response directed toward me and now you are gone from that group too.
I am fully aware of much more than you think I am. With these thoughts posted, feel free to come at me with more of your verbal abuse as I along with a few others clearly appear to be your substitute for the person known as Creed. I always make it a point to never argue with a street sign that states "One Way Only".
Respectfully,
PK
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Your post doesn't deserve a response.
I do want to clear up one thing: you dragged the R.J. group into this thread, insinuating that I was asked to leave.
I was NOT asked to leave the RJ group, and Jessica can confirm this.
I left on my own accord.
I am still friends with Jessica.
As for addressing the people or persons who have been stalking me, that's under control, too.
I ignored it for months, stayed OFF this board, but they followed me, to MY websites.
The IP addresses are on record, and I am touch with their internet service provider.
I consider the matter closed, at this point. No sense in your trying to stir up more drama with stuff about my leaving the R.J. group, I left because I wanted to.
Now, if anyone would actually like to DISCUSS NATALIE WOOD....that would be a welcome change.
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My dear woman, I insinuated nothing. Do not put words into my mouth. I am neither concerned with you nor your personal vendettas. As for speaking about Natalie Wood, you have a blog for that which you have brought to everyone's attention ad nauseum but you seem to want to speak about her on here or on the IMDB board which in itself is rather strange; considering the fact that you have done nothing but put this forum and its members down the same as you have done with the IMDB Natalie Wood board.
Why would you want to discuss Natalie Wood with people you hold in such low esteem and contempt?
Respectfully,
PK
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Yen has a point. This is exactly what the troll with the multiple IDs did. He boasted on all the Natalie boards about his blogs and called this site trash, yet he was here day and night, 24/7. If one has his or her own Natalie blog, why would one want to discuss Natalie on a site that they dislike, with people whom they seem to have such disdain for. And I am not saying that you are the person with the multiple IDs. It simply does not make sense. Also, you suggested that we discuss Natalie. This is a forum for discussion of her death. Is that the discussion that you want to have? If so, you know how most of us feel, we know how you feel. If you feel that Natalie's death was an accident, there is nothing left to say unless you are here light the spark that will cause further animosity. You will not change our way of thinking nor will we change your way of thinking. You seem to be consumed with GNGS but that's another topic that is getting old. It's been discussed ad nauseum. What else is there to say?
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Simone,
I asked you quite respectfully if you couldn't try to post around some of the less desirable posts. I went out of my way to tell you that I sympathized with you concerning the name calling, etc. but it wasn't solving anything to continue the banter.
You shot back at me like a cannon defending its Motherland. Did you expect me to take it? I've taken enough tripe on the Internet in the past few years to last a lifetime.
With that said, this is the Internet. Names will be mentioned, deeds will be done. You have put yourself on the Internet under your own name, shown the world a picture of yourself and your location, given your opinion of books, authors, celebrities, private individuals and now you want to be left alone? I'm sorry but it just does not work that way.
I for one do not care whether you post here, there or anywhere but my only question to you is; why would you post on a forum that you, along with a few others wanted to see shut down less than a week ago?
That is a rhetorical question. No need to reply as I won't respond to your posts from here on out.
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"It" was like a busy gnat or fly buzzing around, that made you just want to SWAT it and Kill it! :O
Yep..... like any other troll, for me they are easy to ignore, put on hold, censor from my mind or..... hmmmm make a Firefox extension like the one for Justin Bieber. Hey.... yeah that's a great idea!!! I'll request it and let you all know when it's done! ...or we can all put a request in for it here and get it quicker:
Oh and F.A.T.'s Shaved Bieber Content Blocker Extension Works Fabulous to keep the little creep completely out of your view. Now I never have to look at his picture, see his name mentioned or read comments about him everrrrrr...... again!!!
If they can't do it, I can modify F.A.T.'s Shaved Bieber Extension to BLOCK, BAN, CENSOR that SB from the entire web myself! haha...
Marvelous what Internet Technology can do for us these days. Hopefully soon modern investigative technology can actually help to discover the story behind Natalie Wood's Death with a little help from Marti Ruli, Dennis and all their new friends! :D
Much respect to you Yent..... you're a true Gent!
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Contrary to whats been posted elsewhere on a group this board and the imdb boards were not set up by people on this board. That is a lie perpetuated by the same people who wanted to have this entire board shut down last week.
If you dont like what is said on here or on imdb dont post and dont read or toughen up. On imdb it doesnt say report mod it has a button to click that says report abuse but it doesnt do any good because it is all done by computer. If you think what they say about Natalie and RJ on there is bad read some of the things they say about actors on the other boards on there and what they say to each other. It makes this board look like a walk in the park with your best friend. imdb is owned by Amazon and if you use your charge card to buy from Amazon and also use the same card to register at imdb you will never get booted from that site. You might get a post or two deleted if the computer kicks into gear and sometimes even your entire post history will disappear but you won't. If you use your mobile number to sign up and you report abuse to much your account will freeze and the only way you can reactivate it is to use a credit card as identification. This only happens to the reporter not the reported. I guess they don't like tattle tale cry babies either!
I'm not making this up. It is a fact and I don't care who is playing IP police.
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I go to Amazon, because I shop there and that's all. I went to IMDB only once to check the Board/Forum out. Not impressed and it's too confusing and busy for me. This is pretty simply and you don't have to deal with a lot of garbage or too many PESTS. I rather like this place myself and I wanted to be sure you understood who I was talking about saying SB. That would be none other than the Notorious Simone Bell. Mainly because she's never positive and is unable to see the lighter side of life on the Internet. I post comments sometimes with a bit of humor in them. Like I did here and she ignored(she's too serious for me)! ....at least I direct my attention to what somebody is asking or saying. Then actually analyse it and either reject it or even incorporate it into my own thoughts and ideas on the matter. I'm a give and take kind of person and I felt sorry for others here who after trying to appease her, got jumped on anyway. She just continues to kick sand in their faces, when they don't deserve it. Seems Simone speaks at you, without giving any acknowledgement that anyone else is as important as she is. Will she learn to get along people? Never.... she is right and that's that. Don't argue with her or she'll report you to your ISP or toss a perceived TOSS violation at you! .....oh and I'm simply not the type to go cry about anything to anybody. If I can't settle it myself, then I'll just move on!
Hope You're all having a great Memorial Day Weekend! ....even Simone!
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Sorry about that. My post was not meant for you. I know what is being said and posted elsewhere and I just wanted to bring it to some people's attention that the same people that wanted this forum shut down are the same people who are also complaining about imdb and they have their facts wrong.
They complain but it does not stop them from posting.
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No problem! .....I'm off for a day of BOATING today! .....I have a history of liking boats and water... you know. Even dark water in Avalon. lol.... we held a yacht party for the Chamber of Commerce in Avalon some years ago. There was about 80 people on board and towards the end of the evening, as it thinned down to about 20, some of us decided to swim over to this gorgeous brand new 160ft yacht around 11pm. The people were up and we were bantering back and forth across the water. A real nice couple and crew on the yacht's maiden voyage. So about 15 of us jumped into the water and swim over to it. The water was very warm and some of them didn't have swimsuit. So they skinny dipped. But when we were swimming the about 150ft over to it, you couldn't help but worry just a little about what was in that dark water, that could do you harm. There were a couple of screams but nothing major happened. We got over there and they greeted us with fresh towels and drinks. Gave us a full tour and believe me this was some amazing craft. The aft deck had a convertible dance floor. That could be raised up and there underneath, was a large beautiful tiled jacuzzi. The teak decks had small lights embedded in the black caulking in a design. The king sized four poster bed master stateroom's bathroom toilet had a real king's throne over it and the whole bathroom was set in Neptune themed tiled bath and shower. The entire yacht was filled lavish accoutrement's and it smelled so brand new. What a treat, just for taking a chance in swimming in that dark ocean water!
I think everyone here needs to just relax and not take everything so serious (name calling and all). Imagine this..... I spent 4 tours of duty in Viet Nam, watching friends die in front of me and not being able to do anything to help. But yet we all still had enough life in us, to joke, smile and laugh once in awhile. Even up river (river rat sailors) going around Rocket Alley loaded with ammunition like sitting ducks, up the Mekong Delta. But we could still manage a smile, even though we could of been blown up in an instant and never have known it. Sometimes the only way we had to deal with the danger and churning in our stomachs, was to make a joke. Imagine that, even as rockets were coming in and all you could do was barely muster a grin, in making light of a situation, where we had no choice and no place to hide.
On my last tour, I was flown back HOME after 9 months, believing I'd done my duty and somehow survived unimaginable horrors in doing so. When we stepped off that plane I'd been imagining how I'd jump off and kiss the ground. How we'd be greeted by cheering crowds to welcome us home. But instead... we were greeted with tomatoes, rotten eggs and being called rotten names like baby killers, nazis and war mongers (along with much worse). We were expected to grin and bare it without responding. I never felt so humiliated and degraded in all my then young life or so much like I didn't belong living here in my own great country. Like this really wasn't my home after all.
I really couldn't hate any of those people for what they did or how they felt about the war or us. But having to keep our silence in the face of the very freedoms we felt, we had been fighting for, was one of the most painful things for me to face ever in my life. We walked off that plane in enemy territory!
For me now, what I fought for and my friends and fellow service men who died, gave their lives for, was so that the Simone's and Creed's of this world could speak their minds freely, no matter what they believe. Please if you do anything today, say your sorry to the ones you've wronged and just accept the apologies without explanation or judgement. Then smile and go your way. But most of all, if you have a service man or vet in the family give them a hug and say thank you!!! ....they deserve just as much as we did!
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The IP thing didn't scare me away, I just felt it was a breach of privacy, so I've been posting elsewhere. I never said anything here I would be ashamed of so it's not a matter of being scared away but more a matter of not wanting my IP shown when someone goes crying to the owner again.
Who was here anyway? A few people with multiple names playing both sides? Please, I've got better things to do. I'm serious about Natalie Wood, always have been, always will be. I don't play games. If something important comes up, I'll post, because I was one of the sane ones and sane people don't need the kind of crap that went on here. Of course, I've adapted a new name, not because that's my game, but because I prefer being anonymous around the kind of crazy people we now know were here.
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I'll request it and let you all know when it's done! ...or we can all put a request in for it here and get it quicker:
