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The Smoking GunJune 9 2011 at 3:59 PM No score for this post | Anonymous (no login) |
| The link to the original report the morning she drowned is on this site. It shows the case was investigated and proves why it was ruled an accidental drowning. It's perfectly clear why the case was closed and ruled that way. Unless you have unfounded & blind hatred for her husband. |
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anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 4:02 PM |
Just a witness who told the truth that Wagner let his wife drown. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 4:07 PM |
Telling this 28 years later in a book where he and the author make money from it leaves alot of room for speculation. Surely you're intelligent enough to see that. It's clear as glass from this bonafide document why the ruling of accidental drowning was applied and why the husband was never looked at as a suspect or even a person of interest. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 4:10 PM |
The Smoking Gun is Journalism at its finest. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 4:19 PM |
Be that as it may, but I'm referring to the actual document filed that morning and after her drowned body had been studied. All the Smoking Gun site did was to post it so anyone interested could read it. It is what it is. Nothing's been altered on it. All I'm saying is that after I read it, I could understand completely why the case was closed quickly and ruled an accidental drowning. Everything I read in it supported this finding. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 4:19 PM |
You speak as though 28 years is a lifetime. How ridiculous. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 4:21 PM |
For many many people, 28 years is a lifetime. How can you say different? Three decades is a very very very long time. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 4:22 PM |
I find it ridiculous that anyone even fairly intelligent could even write that in words for people to read that 28 years ISN'T a long time. Do you look the same as you did 28 years ago? Big change in your appearance isn't there? That should tell you that almost three decades is much more than a "long time ago". |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 4:49 PM |
A century is a "ong time". Twenty eight years is not for something this important. Are you hung up on years and age or something? Yo talk as though 28 years was ancient. Considering that 28 years ago I was barely out of diapers I'd look very strange if I still looked the same.
Geesh! |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 10 2011, 10:02 AM |
Nobody at any age looks the same 28 yrs later. 3 decades makes a young person well into middle age or senior citizen. A baby to a 30 yr old. A middleaged person to an elderly person. It's a very very very long long long time. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 10 2011, 10:49 AM |
"It's a very, very, very long time." LOL
It took Wagner 20 years to fess up to the bottle smashing. He kept that to himself for a very, very, very long time and if there was not a third witness to it, he may never have confirmed what Dennis had already shared. At the time Waggie told the bottle story he and Walken were not pals. He had to admit to it just in case Walken did. That's, in all likelihood, the reason why Waggie did not clean up the broken glass which he inferred to the police was from "rolling seas". what a guy! |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 4:54 PM |
LMAO, that report is riddled with inaccuracies one of which is that Wagner called the authorities immediately. LMAO. That's not true. Wagner admitted that was not true. Oh yeah, big smoking gun. CSL. Someone is getting desperate. LOLOL this is priceless. Wagner lied like a rug so any investigation is flawed by those lies. DUH! Stupid fool! LOL
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 5:07 PM |
Even Don Whiting admitted that portions of that report were inaccurate. Where have you been, Joke-O ? You are greener than I thought you were. CSL at this amateur.. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 5:10 PM |
"Everything I read supported his finding" LMAO I guess you did not read Whiting's statement about that document. I guess you didn't read the multitudinous lies Wagner has told. LMAO |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 5:13 PM |
The Smoking Gun is journalism at it's finest". LMAO. It figures that Joke-O would make that statement about an internet tabloid website. LOL |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 9 2011, 5:32 PM |
Davern told the truth about that weekend long before the book was written. It was only a few years later. RJ said nothing. He did not confirm or deny it. His fans came to his defense and said that RJ would never have lied to the police and that he would never have broken a glass bottle in his wife's face and RJ would never wait all that time to call the CG. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER! Well guess what happened! RJ confirmed that he broke the bottle in fit of rage and he confirmed that he waited 2 hours to make a radio call and another 2 hours to call the CG and he confirmed that he lied to the police. He confirmed Davern's story about the argument, about the bottle, about the ridiculously long wait to call for help. Of course, he'll never confirm that he was with Natalie on the rear deck. So far, Dennis Davern is far more credible than RJ. Hell, Wagner can't even get his story straight about the bottle. In one statement he said that Natalie was sitting there, in his book he said she had gone to the stateroom before he broke the bottle. HMMMM Anybody think he might be lying? DUH.
So much for Joke-O's smoking gun. LOL
If this statement impresses you, you'd be impressed with the police report. Oh how that man lied!
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 10 2011, 12:27 PM |
Yawn. Scratch *ss. Yawn. Stop with the broken record. The problem with what you wrote is that the people that it matters to do not believe him 28 years later. Nothing changed. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 10 2011, 12:35 PM |
OOOOPS. I guess I struck a nerve. Joke-O wants me to stop posting. What's the matter, does it bother you that your Bob has been lying and contradicting himself for 28 years, that he can't seem to get his stories straight? That is what happens when one lies. Who is it that these people don't believe? Most of this is courtesy of Robert Wagner. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 10 2011, 12:44 PM |
This isn't Jocko. I don't know what you mean by "struck a nerve". I'm only stating the facts from the bonafide document. I'm not an obsessor that it really matters anything to. I'm not that familiar with either one of them as I was too young to know their movies or tv show. So, no, it doesn't much matter to me. Only stating what I just read online yesterday which is the original document of when she went missing & when they found the body & after they studied it. It appears some of you on here want to make it a murder when that document clearly points out that it was not. I can understand explicitly why the case was closed quickly. Why it was ruled an accidental drowning & why there was no foul play indicated. The marks found on her drowned body support the findings. It's quite clear after the investigation why the husband or passengers were never looked at as suspects of persons of interest. You can chant murderer & pushed her off boat til the end of time & it will change nothing. It is what it is & the ruling will stay as it is. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 10 2011, 1:06 PM |
"This isn't Jocko". Why are you ashamed of who you are? LOLOL I KNOW I KNOW!
The document is based on lies but some people will believe what they choose to believe. Where is the info about the bottle smashing? That's not in the report. HMMM---I wonder if the report would have been different if RJ told the truth. LMAO Why is not mentioned that Waggie waited 4 hours to call the CG and did so at the pleading of other?
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Anonymous (no login) | I'm not JockoNo score for this post | June 10 2011, 1:36 PM |
I'm not Jocko but my sock puppet is. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: I'm not JockoNo score for this post | June 10 2011, 5:42 PM |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: I'm not JockoNo score for this post | June 10 2011, 6:33 PM |
Oh Lordy! Be prepared for these jackals to give you the beatdown of your life. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 10 2011, 12:57 PM |
Actually it's been 29 years. Next November will be 30 years since RJ deprived her kids of their mother and deprived Natalie of watching her kids grow up. Of course they love him and buy whatever he tells them. Why would Daddy lie? They have read his book so they know he is very capable of lying. No child, whatever age, wants to believe that Daddy killed Mommy. Actually, I feel sorry for Natalie's kids. Their lives are empty. They approaching middle age and are not married or in a meaningful relationship, they don't have kids nor do they have a career to speak of that could be the reason for the emptiness in their private lives. Daddy seems fine, he lives a charmed life. I wonder if it disturbs him that Natasha and Courtney cannot say the same. Maybe it pleases him that they do not have kids as their kids would be an extension of Natalie and of course, RJ is all about RJ. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 11 2011, 8:29 AM |
Actually it's been 29 years. Next November will be 30 years since RJ deprived her kids of their mother and deprived Natalie of watching her kids grow up.
You really sound like the real Raisins from imdb. In 5 months it will be 30 years. It is already over the half way post. It is 30 years. Damn closer to 30 than it is to 29. it is not next November. It is THIS November. You want to be technical? Get it straight or don't post or go back to imdb or whatever hole tyou crawled out of and I'm still asking who is Jocko? Is it Raisins? |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 12 2011, 1:32 AM |
Only "bonifide" documents I've seen in this case are Dennis Davern's polygraph results verifying that all he said is true. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 11:00 AM |
LOL. LAPD don't think so. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 11:02 AM |
A drunken memory is unreliable. You can argue that point til the end of time and the results will forever remain the same. Just because Dennis told the polygrapher what he "thought" transpired does not mean that is exactly what happened. Drunks are not credible witnesses, especially decades later. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 11:37 AM |
Maybe that's why Wagner's memoir is full of lies. The years of alcohol abuse have taken a toll on his memory. |
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anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 11:39 AM |
You don't know if Davern was drunk. No blood test was given to Davern.
Just because he was drinking alcohol, does not mean he was drunk. There is no legal data to show Davern was drunk.
Also, his actions that evening demonstrate that he was not inebriated. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 2:02 PM |
That detective stated Daverne was a drunken mess by 7 am that morning. He'd admitted to drinking all night. Fact that DD was hammered that night and countless others. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 11:39 AM |
What he "thought"? LOL. Polygraphs are not based on what one thinks. LMAO
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 12:32 PM |
Drunks? You must have Dennis confused with that booze hound Wagner. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 1:49 PM |
They were all drunk. That is a fact and has been stated in the original documents and from employees at the last restaurant they were at. I'm amazed anyone would dispute that by midnight Dennis Davern wasn't drunk. He was just getting started since he chose to drink til early morning with his boss instead of looking for someone missing. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 2:11 PM |
The boss, owner of the boat, husband of Natalie and certified operator of The Splendour, Robert Wagner, chose to drink and keep drinking rather than begin a search for his wife. He was her husband and he chose to wait 4 hours to call the Coast Guard and sit and drink. No one should have had to tell Wagner to begin searching, no one should have had to twist his arm to notify the authorities that his wife was missing from a boat in the dark of night. Wagner should have wanted to do so IMMEDIATELY! When someone is missing from a boat, time is the single most important factor and Wagner CHOSE to let precious time pass before he notified the authorities. And what did he choose to do instead, he chose to drink MORE booze. I know the Wagner supporters are not overly bright but that was not the choice most loving husbands would make, not the choice most human beings would make. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 3:15 PM |
PUHLEEEEEESSSSSSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No ne with an ounce of compassion would wait 4 minutes let alone 4 hours to look for someone. Anyone! Come on! People are missing a pet and the second the pet turns up missing they start searching. Of course if it was a pet Wagner would have went looking right away. We all know he thinks more of his dog than he does people.
Let the Wagner fans dream on. Let that single digit IQ troll who is in love with Wagner dream on too. |
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anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 7:48 PM |
This is exactly what people try to cover with a smoke screen. They try to say that Davern drinking is the important thing, and they totally ignore the fact that Wagner (on purpose) let Natalie go missing without lifting a finger. They try to cover for the fact that Wagner knew Natalie never took the dinghy out alone and of her fear of dark water. They cover for the fact that Wagner was the one who opened a bottle of liguor at the very moment he should have been turning on search lights and calling the Coast Guard. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 13 2011, 8:41 PM |
There original documents this toad keeps referring to did not state that "they were all drunk". The people who worked in the restaurant made no reference to Davern being drunk.. This loser makes it up as he goes along. The people who worked in the restaurant were compensated for their statements to the tabloids and sang whatever song they were asked to sing but they never said Davern was intoxicated. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 14 2011, 4:47 AM |
Don't worry about it. We are all on to him. He makes things up to suit his own scenarios in his head. He has been doing that for years. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 14 2011, 10:03 AM |
Read the document dumb *ss. Everyone affiliated with that old case knows they were all smashed on their *sses. That's not even to be disputed. The restaurant employees that waited on them from 4 pm to 10:30 pm have stated many many many times all 4 of them were extremely intoxicated. They even had someone make sure they were able to get to their dinghy okay to go back to the yacht. The detective has stated publicly what a drunken mess the skipper was that morning when he arrived. You can hate the facts of the case all you want, but you cannot change them by words. It was what it was & it is what it is. Wood's BAC was .14 which classifies a person as drunk. I'm sure the other 3 were WAY more drunk than she was. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 14 2011, 10:17 AM |
LOL, what took you so long. Busy at work today?
No one from Doug's said that Davern was intoxicated. He was never discussed by the people who worked at Doug's. That's a fact.
As far as Rasure, he said Dennis was drunk but not a word about Wagner. He also stated that he felt that Dennis was lying from the very beginning but Dennis' story matched Wagner's story. What does that say about Rasure's "investigation". What does that say about this "document". If Rasure felt Dennis was lying, then he must have felt the same about Wagner but the case was closed even though the lead detective felt that Davern and Wagner were lying. HMMMM! A homicide detective would have become very suspicious when Dennis asked if he could speak with RJ ALONE before Rasure questioned him. Rasure let all of his suspicions about the lies being told slide and the case was close. So much for this "document". These are the cold hard facts! Rasure thought they were all lying but he closed the case. FACT!
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 14 2011, 10:24 AM |
STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT! This is why no one posts on our groups anymore. We don't care if you are defending RJ or not you are only making it worse. Why are you doing this? Many of us have asked you to please stop. This is why we can't trust you and we never will again. You are not helping anything. You are only making it worse. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 14 2011, 10:49 AM |
No one posts on those groups because of the secret group by invitation only. That group had the person you are yelling at on it. No one posts because the moderators were so worried about moles and people carrying stories that they left themselves wide open for the biggest troll of all. Now members from the old group who weren't invited to the new group are hurt but nobody posts on there anymore either because of the troll who was let on and then asked to leave. You are right about one thing. More trouble was caused by a defender than by anyone else. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 14 2011, 5:33 PM |
We already know this. People are afraid to post anywhere because of him. That is what he wants. No matter what you believe, if everyone stops posting out of fear then he has won. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 15 2011, 7:33 PM |
I stopped posting out of boredom not fear. If I ever had the chance to smash jerko in the face with a brick I'd take it though. That would be cure for boredom. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 16 2011, 2:33 PM |
Go plant some perennials. That is an even better cure for boredom. What good would it do to smash someone in the face with a brick? You'd go to jail & have to a nice fine. Then have a police record. Your boss, co-workers & family would read about it in the paper. Violence is never a good idea unless your life or a loved one's life was threatened. Go plant some annuals too. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 16 2011, 3:19 PM |
Is that Creed getting all violent with the brick? How stupid! Why would anyone do something like that and land in jail over a fool like the troll? When you are done planting come on over to my place and mow the lawn. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 16 2011, 3:28 PM |
Jerko can't mow your lawn this week. He has to catch up on his Bob Wagner trivia and plan his next trip to Romania with Team Wagner. |
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Jennifer 9 3/4 (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 16 2011, 3:31 PM |
Does anyone have any pictures of Hart to Hart? Jonathan and Jennifer are my idols and I want to remodel my house just like theirs!
Anyone else a Hart to Hart fan on here? |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 16 2011, 6:04 PM |
That didn't take long did it folks? Out of all the websites on the internet this "fan" chooses The Death of Natalie Wood Discussion Forum to discuss two fictional TV characters as his "idols". Why on earth would anyone look for H2H fans on this site? There are Hart to Hart groups, a Robert Wagner group, a Stefanie Powers group but this big "fan" asks about H2H and the house the characters lived in on The Death of Natalie Wood Discussion Forum. It took him 3 days to come up with this? |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 10:36 AM |
I'm not a Robert Wagner hater or lover, but I will say I never did see what the popularity was in that tv show Hart to Hart. I'd watched it once or twice if even that & thought it was just a dumb, not believable in any way, kind of show. Don't understand how there could be many fans for that show lol. How long was it even on? If someone says years I will be shocked! I don't believe married couples, rich or otherwise, really act like that. Just a real dumb show. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 10:57 AM |
It wasn't supposed to be real! it was escapest fun and it was a massive hit and considered one of the great shows of all time. It won all the major awards and it was on for 10 years including the great movies which were always big hits The reason why it stopped is because RJ and Stef wanted to do other things.
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 11:50 AM |
LMAO. considered one of the great shows of all time, massive hit? It ran for 5 seasons on ABC and was cancelled because it became too costly to make. ABC elected to spend their money on Dynasty which was a massive hit with a huge budget and an audience to match. If H2H was a massive hit, it would have ran longer than 5 years.
H2H did not win any major awards. It was not nominated for an Emmy or a Golden Globe or a Peabody. You might want to do a little research before you make stupid, untrue statements.
If H2H was a "massive hit" it would be released in it's entirety on DVD. Ever hear of supply and demand? If there was a high demand for this show, Sony would have released it in it's entirety on DVD. The first two seasons did not make money so Sony chose not to release the entire series.
Those TV movies were garbage that were panned by the critics. Those TV movies are not considered in the actual run of the series which was an unimpressive 5 years.
Do you honestly think the Wagner fans don't know what you are trying to do? You are trying to ingratiate yourself to them by praising H2H with your usual lack of credibility. Once again, you are making a total *** out of yourself. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 12:23 PM |
I am not who you think I am and I don't know who you are but you are wrong. Hart to Hart was a enormous bonafide smash. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 12:40 PM |
LOL, the show was in the top 30 in the Nielson ratings until the last season, then it dropped below 30. It was never in the top ten which is where a enormous smash would reside. Obviously you know little about television in general and even less about H2H. The show lasted 5 seasons and was pulled by the network because it became to costly to make. Those are the facts. Everything I stated is a fact. The true fans of the show know that what I am saying is 100% factual.
It is so pathetically obvious who you are. CSL |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 4:05 PM |
S/B where "an" enormous. Always use an before a word that starts with a vowel. Example: an appetite, an old man, an idiot. Get my drift? |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 12:31 PM |
They stopped making those foolish TV movies because Stefanie wanted to do other things. Wagner would have gone on with it forever. He was angry with her because she refused to keep making those cheezy H2H TV movies.
And by the way. those TV movies were made 10 after the series was cancelled. They would hardly be considered part of the run of the series. This idiot has got to be kidding! LOL
Anyone who is a fan of H2H as this jerk claims to be would know where the home scenes were shot. Go ahead, look it up. FOOL! LOL |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 2:37 PM |
I remember reading that the interiors of the Hart mansion were shot on a real location. I think it was RJ and Natalie's house in Beverly Glen. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 4:23 PM |
It was not a mansion, it was a house. Your use of the word "mansion" defines who you are. The home of William Powell was used as the home of the Harts.
Obviously you know zip about this show that you claim to be a fan of.
Natalie would never allow her home to be used on a TV series. That's laughable. She and RJ lived in the heart of Beverly Hills.
One does not have to be a fan to know any of this. It's common knowledge. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 4:11 PM |
Waht I want to know is if you're not a H2H fan, WTH do you know so much about this ridiculous series? |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 6:58 PM |
Beverly Glen is in Bel Air. Natalie Wood's home was in Beverly Hills. Th last home she owned and the one she lived in with her daughter and Robert Wagner while Mr. Wagner filmed Hart to Hart.
The exterior of actor William Powell's former home was used as the exterior of the Hart house. The interior was a set. |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 8:11 PM |
Going over to Wolfgang's Steakhouse on N. Canon this Monday for a steak and the Skip E. show. Maybe I'll drive by the "Hart Mansion" and make sure Jonathan and Jennifer have cleaned up Freeways's poops in the driveway! |
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anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 8:25 PM |
I've seen the house they used on H2H on other shows as well..."Mission Impossible" and "Mannix." |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 17 2011, 8:35 PM |
Oh, please take a picture of the "Hart mansion" and do say hello to the Hart's for us. Tell them they are our idols! WOO HOO! |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 18 2011, 9:18 AM |
I just took a pic of the Hart Mansion and there was Bob mowing the grass! I was so thrilled I peed a little in my pants! |
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Anonymous (no login) | Re: The Smoking GunNo score for this post | June 19 2011, 1:06 PM |
Does anyone know where Hart Industries is located? I want to put it on my tour sites when I visit. |
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