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November 30 2011 at 12:41 AM
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http://scoop.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/29/9091638-natalie-wood-clung-to-dinghy-after-going-overboard-says-harbormaster

there is a video as well.

 
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November 30 2011, 1:51 AM 


He says it was difficult getting information out of them at first because they were slurring their words...big surprise. They were all too drunk to know that Natalie had fallen into the water and was in trouble.

It was a case of four very drunk people and the night ending in tragedy. Natalie fell because she was very drunk, too. Everyone always wants to make more out of it when a celebrity is involved.

Davern and Rulli exploited the situation so they could make money. Wonderful thing to do.

 
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November 30 2011, 2:13 AM 

actually he said it was difficult to get info from them because they slurred their words. He did not say that Miss Wood fell in the water He did that if help had been summoned sooner, Natalie would have been saved.

 
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November 30 2011, 6:23 AM 


Of course Natalie might have been saved had they searched earlier, but earlier they thought she was in bed. When Wagner did discover she was gone, so was the dinghy. Wagner thought she was in the dinghy. Why would Wagner think Natalie was in the water if the dinghy was missing?

This is all so ridiculous. Davern did nothing at the time, as well. Now, he says Wagner should have acted sooner. All BS. They were both so drunk that they didn't know what was going on.

Davern and Rulli are despicable people. They have exploited a terrible tragedy, for their own benefit. They have taken this tragedy and have not let go of it for three decades.

How can you think of these people as decent people...you can't.

 
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November 30 2011, 6:38 AM 

Because he knew his wife was petrified of deep, dark water and that the chances of her going for a ride in a dinghy in the black of night wearing a nightgown were slim to none.

 
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November 30 2011, 6:44 AM 

If he did not know what was going on he would not have instructed the original search crew to keep the search "low key". He knew exactly what was going on.

 
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November 30 2011, 6:49 AM 



No,wrong. No search crew is going to listen to a husband if they suspect a woman is in the water. None of them, Davern, Wagner and Oudin knew she was in the water. They thought she was in the dinghy. The dinghy was missing. Makes perfect sense why there was no urgency about it.

It is so easy to say all kinds of things after the fact.

There was no murder, there was no manslaughter. It was just an accident.

 
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November 30 2011, 6:52 AM 



They didn't know she was wearing her nightgown.

And, she was wearing that coat...you can't get around that jacket.

Being in a dinghy is not the same thing as being in the water. Natalie had no problem being on the boat or in the dinghy.

Big difference between being in the water and being in the dinghy.

 
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November 30 2011, 6:54 AM 

According to Robert Wagner, he saw her in the nightgown. Also, he was asked by the search crew to describe what she was wearing the last time he saw her, he described the nightgown in detail. He knew she was wearing a nightgown.

 
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November 30 2011, 6:56 AM 

Natalie would never have gone near that dinghy at night and Wagner knew it and said as much in his book.

 
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November 30 2011, 7:06 AM 



Natalie was very intoxicated. Natalie had her coat on.

Natalie was most definitely doing something with the dinghy.

Only Natalie knows. Being that intoxicated, it makes perfect sense that she lost her balance.

As hard as you try to make it so, there just wasn't any involvement by Wagner. What happened to Natalie appears to be Natalie's fault.

The police and Choi and Noguchi got the right answer 30 years ago.

 
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November 30 2011, 7:09 AM 

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According to Robert Wagner, he saw her in the nightgown. Also, he was asked by the search crew to describe what she was wearing the last time he saw her, he described the nightgown in detail. He knew she was wearing a nightgown. "


That was the last time he saw her. That doesn't mean they knew she was wearing that when they saw the dinghy missing and thought she took it out. Turns out she put her jacket on over her nightgown anyway.

Why would anyone think Natalie was in the water when they saw the dinghy missing.

You are trying to make it look all so sinister when it was not.

 
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November 30 2011, 7:44 AM 

but Noguchi changed his "answer". When he wrote his book he claimed that he no longer felt that Natalie was boarding that dinghy. He claimed that he felt that she was re-tying the dinghy and slipped on the algae on the swim step and fell into the water, grabbed on to the dinghy and fought a valiant fight to paddle to shore.

 
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November 30 2011, 8:10 AM 



Natalie was doing something with the dinghy. What she was doing is a theory. Only Natalie would know the answer to that.

The more important point is that all evidence points to an accident.

Natalie had that down jacket on which shows she was not going to bed. She went outside to do something with the dinghy.

Because she was so intoxicated she slipped and fell off of the boat. No big mystery there.

 
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November 30 2011, 8:19 AM 

Then why did Wagner LIE to the police? He didn't see the dinghy missing when he asked Davern to search the yacht? Uhmmm...sounds like a perfect time to release the dinghy. Davern caught him in action sounds like to me.

 
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November 30 2011, 8:27 AM 



Davern? You mean the Davern who says he saw all of Natalie's black and blue marks through the blanket that was put over her body?

Davern's story is made up.

 
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November 30 2011, 8:34 AM 

but the lies that were told point to a cover up. Too many lies were told by too many people. And then there are the statements that are being made to the press. I'm sure these statements are being read by the police as the list of people they plan to question grows and grows. There is one statement by one person that I am sure the police are very curious about.

 
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November 30 2011, 8:47 AM 



No. Just a bunch of drunk people who couldn't remember things and who really didn't know what was going on when they realized Natalie wasn't on the boat. That is why Davern's story is just not to be believed. Davern was much too drunk to know with such clarity, the things written in GNGS. Those things sound like they were made up...probably by Rulli. Davern gave some details (like the bottle smashing) and Rulli filled in the rest. That's what it reads like to me. It was written to make it appear Wagner did something sinister.

Nobody wanted Natalie dead. That is the lovely Davern and Rulli expltoiting the circumstances of that weekend.

They are not the first people to do such a lousy thing, and I'm sure they won't be the last. What money does to people.

 
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November 30 2011, 9:01 AM 

I agree with the previous poster...alcohol city. Damn, though, I think I missed the interview.

 
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November 30 2011, 9:03 AM 

Agreeing with yourself. You pathetic fool. LOL

 
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November 30 2011, 9:01 AM 

No, the people making the statements were not drunk. You are obsessed with Davern and Rulli. They have nothing to do with a statement that was made to the media that the police will undoubtedly look into. Very incriminating indeed and it has nothing whatsoever to do with Rulli or Davern.

Wagner made himself look sinister. He made some poor choices that he will have to live with, those choices are coming back to bite him in the *** and will follow him to his grave. I don't expect you to comprehend any of this as you have not an ounce of objectivity.

 
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November 30 2011, 9:06 AM 

The detective who interviewed Davern the morning of the discovery didn't have a high opinion of Davern. Said, " He was aslob and smelled like alcohol. He wouldn't answer any of my questions. "

 
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November 30 2011, 9:23 AM 


People are claiming the case was reopened because of Davern and Rulli, and you say I'm obsessed with them? That is very funny.

To say they were not drunk, is a big lie.

Yes, those people were very drunk. Witnesses who saw them (like Oudin and Rasure) verify the fact that they were drunk.

As much as you like to change the facts about that weekend, the truth is still there for anyone who wants it.

Sorry, there is just no way around the fact that all of those people were very drunk.

Davern and Rulli fabricated a story, and that is important enough to let people know that.

Fortunately, the majority of the public saw those two for what they are. It seems to be the fanatics who take them at their word.


 
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November 30 2011, 9:24 AM 



I think it's fair to say that Natalie made some very poor choices as well.

 
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November 30 2011, 9:30 AM 

People can say whatever they please. The police know why the case was re-opened.

I am not the one changing the facts.

You came to this with GNGS in your hand. I did not. Robert Wagner convinced me of his culpability. I do not need a book to tell me that Mr. Wagner is culpable in his wife's death.

 
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November 30 2011, 9:26 AM 

and this detective sent Wagner, who was also drunk, and Walken home in a helicopter. Rather than interrogate them as you or I would have been interrogated, he sent home in a helicopter. This detective calls Davern names but he has nothing negative to say about Robert Wagner who was equally drunk. In the official police report Wagner's drunkenness was noted by the members of the search crew. And Wagner lied to him about several things that are slowly but surely being revealed. The longer this goes on, the more of his lies are exposed. Walken was interviewed at his hotel. What he told the police will not be helpful to Wagner unless he changes his story but if he does, it will appear he is lying also. The following day this detective went to Wagner's house to question Davern. By that time, Wagner got Davern a lawyer. That lawyer took a statement from Davern and gave it to the detective. The detective accepted the statement and left the house. He never questioned Davern or Wagner again and the case was closed. The statement submitted to the detective by the lawyer Wagner hired for Davern matched Wagner's statement. Gee, I wonder if that was planned.

 
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November 30 2011, 9:46 AM 



This entire thing is about GNGS. You always try to pretend otherwise.

Rasure was a seasoned detective. He knew that what he had was an accident. There was no reason to interrogate Wagner.

You've been watching too much "Law and Order"...too much tv.

Rasure was right and Choi and Noguchi confirmed what Rasure already knew.

Stop trying to make it something it isn't.

This is the real world and not some tabloid or some detecive novel.

 
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November 30 2011, 9:59 AM 

I'm not pretending. If that were true, that this is all about GNGS, then the long archive history of this forum would not exist. It's all about GNGS in your eyes, not mine. People have been talking about this long before GNGS, people were highly suspicious about this long before GNGS.

He knew it was an accident? No need to interrogate Wagner? OMG You have no objectivity or simple common sense.

Seasoned homicide detective interrogate witnesses at the scene. They don't call for helicopters for to escort people home. Perhaps you are the one who watches too much Law and Order.

You are right, this is very real and one of the realities is that a 30 year old closed case has been re-opened. The LACSD does not agree with you about Rasure and his investigation. They have the objectivity and common sense that Wagner's supporters lack. Thank God!

 
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November 30 2011, 11:03 AM 



With you it is. It is all about GNGS. You are the one who is consumed with it.

You use it to persecute Wagner.

It's a made up story. If you had some common sense you would see that.

The real world doesn't work like GNGS.

If you want to blame someone--which you love to do-- than Naalie has to be blamed. She was too drunk to be out near the dinghy.

There was no murder and no manslaughter. Natalie was drunk, lost her balance and she fell into the water. None of the men on board knew she was in trouble...they thought she was in her room.

It was just an accident...that's all.

 
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November 30 2011, 11:29 AM 

They thought she was in her room? That's not what the police were told. That's not what appears in the police report. A time was given as to when RJ knew she was no longer on the boat and it was no where near 1:30 which is the approx time of the radio call. She was missing for 2 hours before he made the radio call and requested a "low key" search. In his book Wagner claims that he realized after only a short time that it was not likely that she had gone anywhere in the dinghy. He does not mention the time he radioed for help nor does he mention the long wait to call the Coast Guard but the police report coupled with the report written by the original search crew gives us the time line. Robert Wagner omitted that time line in his book. No wonder! If there was nothing suspicious about the time line, why did Wagner lie about it in his book. Hopefully original police report will be released. That will answer a lot of questions.


 
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November 30 2011, 11:33 AM 



Stop trying to make something out of nothing. You are so desperate to blame Wagner.

Wagner had nothing to do with Natalie's death. It was an accident.

Stop with all of your lies.

 
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November 30 2011, 11:05 AM 

If Nat had that much to drink and the pills, How the hell did she get in the water ? I'm 5' 9" and 165. I can tolerate alot with regard to alcohol and pills The dinghy was astern and her romm was in the bow. If get the F--- off my boat really happened, maybe Rj said," Here ya go, get off.....like it out there now bigshot? " Alcohol is a trecherous and insidious thing. Ruined many lives.

 
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November 30 2011, 11:16 AM 


Natalie had a lot to drink.

Natalie had a blood alcohol level of 0.14% at 1:00 PM on Sunday afternoon. Her blood was taken some 15 hours after she had her last drink. Yes, Natalie was very drunk that Saturday night.

Natalie also had propoxyphene (an opiate) in her system...it is on her autopsy report.

The combination of the two would have made her even more intoxicated than if she had just been drinking.

That is why she lost her balance and fell into the water.


 
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November 30 2011, 11:30 AM 

oudin was on msnbc yesterday telling the same stories he been telling for 30 years he did say though he was at the splendour at 1:00 so that means the search started one half hour earlier than reported before. Notice that every story, every time line is different as these people come forward LACSD good luck with this one! Waynes son came forward with his tail today he said "he heard natalie Wood crying for help" how does he know it was natalie wood? had he heard her voice before? how does he know or is he just backing up his mothers many tails yeah i think that's what it is

 
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November 30 2011, 11:37 AM 



I thought the same thing.

Now, the Wayne's are saying that the person they heard was Natalie Wood.

This just gets more and more ridiculous.

None of them are credible.

The story has been embellished too many times.

Rasure had her pegged from day one...he knew she was not a credible person. He was right.

 
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November 30 2011, 11:43 AM 

it was a holiday weekend many boats were in the area many parties going on it could have been some drunk drugged up girl who jumped in the water for fun notice how waynes son said they were 50 foot from the splendour wayne says 80 foot wayne said years ago it was 80 yards i wish these people would get their stories straight it would make the lacsds job so much easier

 
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November 30 2011, 11:48 AM 

I saw the video. He did not say that Natalie was on the boat at one because he has no way of knowing that. He knows what he was told. The time that the original radio call was made is documented. The time that Robert Wagner announced that Natalie was gone from the boat is in the official police report. The police who are investigating this case know what is in the police report. The time is there. It's not 1:00AM, not even close.

The time line is documented. That can't be altered even by the writings of Robert Wagner who never includes the time in any of his stories. When someone is missing or late returning home, the person waiting looks at the clock or checks their watch repeatedly. He did not do that because he knew where she was and he knew she was not coming back.

Wayne's son said Natalie Wood because Natalie Wood was the only person who drowned the night he heard the cries. Who else would it have been? I think it's been established that they did not know who it was when they heard the screams. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can figure that out. I guess you don't have an ounce of intelligence.

By the way, your illiteracy is astounding. The word you are searching for would be tale rather than "tail". LOL We won't even discuss "speek" and "harbermaster"

 
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November 30 2011, 12:25 PM 


You are the biggest BS artist. Wayne nerver said she heard a woman say "I'm drowning," when she told the story 30 years ago. Never.

That means it could have been any woman on any of those boats who was asking for help.

The time in the police report is the time Wagner last saw Natalie alive. Wagner does not know what time Natalie left the boat.

Stop with your nonsense.


 
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November 30 2011, 12:28 PM 

" When someone is missing or late returning home, the person waiting looks at the clock or checks their watch repeatedly"

This is so ridiculous.

You had a situation where people were so intoxicated they couldn't get their words out straight, and this person expects Wagner to be watching the time.

How do you explain to people like this. They just don't get it.


 
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November 30 2011, 1:02 PM 

Excuse me? I don't remember saying that Marilyn Wayne said that she heard a woman say "I'm drowning". You are the BS artist, not I. You are always putting words in my mouth.

But only one woman died so we are to assume that it was Natalie crying for help. That's a very safe assumption.

No, the time in the police report is the time Wagner noted that Natalie was missing. You obviously have never seen the police report. The police asked about time that Natalie was first noticed to be missing from the boat. You are saying that Wagner does not know because that is what he fed the public but the time he noted that she was no longer on the boat is in the police report. He did not call for help until 2 hours later and it took him another 2 hours to consent to a public, professional search.




 
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November 30 2011, 1:18 PM 


Yes, I've seen the police report and the time noted is the time Wagner last saw Natalie alive. Wagner called for help shortly after he noticed Natalie missing.
Wagner thought (as they all did) that Natalie was in the dinghy.

You are not too bright. Forget the fact that Wayne has embellished her story and now says the woman was crying out "I'm drowning."

Why would anyone assume it was Natalie Wood asking for help? It could have been any woman asking for help. Without the "I'm drowning." it leaves the field open.

Then, you have Wayne originally telling of a man answering the woman that he would be there to help. Why would her son assume it was Natalie when Natalie died?

The Waynes are not credible people.

Do people realize that Wayne said she heard the woman's voice around midnight when she told the story 30 years ago?

Today, Wayne says that she asked her son the time and he checked his new digital watch...the time was 11:05.

She's not credible. Like Davern, it's a BS story.

 
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November 30 2011, 1:26 PM 


For anyone new to Natalie's case: It is important to understand that people like Wayne and Davern are not credible people. They have altered parts of their story to fit the situation. They can't be trusted.


 
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November 30 2011, 1:43 PM 

Looks like jocko has been carrying on many conversations with himself. This entire thread looks like him. He answers his own questions, why? Is he that insecure that he wants it to look like he has people conversing with him here? I've never known anyone to behave in this strange and abnormal manner. Dude, try reading books if you're that bored. p.s. change your writing pattern again dude. We've grown very accustomed to the double paragraphs and this last pattern is way obvious. Try single spacing again.

 
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November 30 2011, 1:44 PM 

It's not important that we trust them, it's important that the police trust them. We'll see! I don't trust Robert Wagner as far as I can throw him because he is a narcissistic, manipulative liar and a phony. Will the police see him that way when they interview him? We'll see! It does not matter how I feel about Wagner nor does it matter how you feel about Wayne and Davern.

 
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November 30 2011, 1:40 PM 

You are BS-ing for sure! LMAO You have NOT seen the police report. You are saying that you have to give your statements more credence. It is stated in the police report that Robert Wagner announced that Natalie was no longer on the boat and a specific time was given. You have never seen the police report.

"You are not too bright". You insult me whenever I make a good point. That points to your own insecurity as does your need to lie about having seen the police report.

What I am saying is that it is safe for US to assume that it was Natalie's voice that he heard and safe him to assume that it was Natalie's voice that he heard when he learned that Natalie had drowned. He's not saying that when he heard the screams he knew it was Natalie. That's ridiculous. Now, he assumes that it was her because she drowned that night. It is that difficult for you to comprehend what I am saying? My God!


You keep discussing Wayne? Who are you addressing yourself to. I am not defending Marilyn Wayne. I will say this. 30 years ago the papers reported different times in quotes that they attributed to her. The difference between us is that I am honest and open minded. I will tell you that I don't find her credible either. I believe she heard cries for help as did her son and John Payne. I also believe that she heard the response "We're coming to get you" and that it came from another boat, The Vantage. My belief in her story ends right there.

 
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November 30 2011, 1:53 PM 



Sorry. I don't lie. I have read the police report.

The time Wagner said he last saw his wife was around 10:45PM and he said he saw that she was missing around 1:15AM.
I don't have the report in front of me to quote exact times.

There was no 2 hour wait to call for help. If you have the report in front of you, quote it verbatim.

You are really silly. Her son is to assume it was Natalie calling for help when a man answered that he was coming over to help and no mention that the woman was drowning? That doesn't work.

Wayne is not credible. Neither is her son.

 
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November 30 2011, 2:00 PM 

Jocko this has all been said on here 1000 times. You've argued pro and con everything under the sun so STFU unless it's something current. Your double spaced paragraphs are really old. You need new writing patterns pal.

 
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November 30 2011, 2:01 PM 


Creed go back to your hole.

 
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November 30 2011, 2:04 PM 



Creed, In case you haven't been keeping up on the case, this is current.

Wayne and her son have been in the news the last week.

I guess you don't come out of that hole very often.

 
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You don't have the police report. That is not what it says.

It states in the report that Wagner noticed that Natalie was gone at a specific time, not 1:15 and it states the time that he radioed for the search to begin. There was a 2 hour wait in between. What you are referring to are the 2 pages that accompany the autopsy report, Pamela Eaker's report. That's not the police report. I have the detailed report, who said what to whom and where they were when they said it. The police have it also. They know when Wagner noted that she was gone.

Do you have reading difficulties? I am saying that AT THIS POINT, TODAY, it is safe to assume that the voice all 3 people heard was the voice of Natalie Wood as she was the only person who drowned that weekend in between their boat and The Splendour. I'm sure that when they heard the screams they did NOT say "that's Natalie Wood" but the next morning when they heard of the tragedy they assumed that the woman screaming for help was Natalie. Do you get it, yet?

I don't find Wayne credible either, beyond the fact that he heard the cries for help. Why would she have lied at that point? There is no reason for her and her son and her then fiance to lie about hearing cries for help.

 
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"It states in the report that Wagner noticed that Natalie was gone at a specific time, not 1:15 and it states the time that he radioed for the search to begin. There was a 2 hour wait in between. What you are referring to are the 2 pages that accompany the autopsy report, Pamela Eaker's report. That's not the police report. I have the detailed report, who said what to whom and where they were when they said it. The police have it also. They know when Wagner noted that she was gone. "


I just wrote that I don't have the report in front of me to quote. I've read the report.

Why don't you quote the report for us?

Quote the part that says there was a 2 hour wait to make that first call for help.

 
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November 30 2011, 2:24 PM 

"Do you have reading difficulties? I am saying that AT THIS POINT, TODAY, it is safe to assume that the voice all 3 people heard was the voice of Natalie Wood as she was the only person who drowned that weekend in between their boat and The Splendour."

It is safe to assume because Natalie was the only person who drowned?

Who said anyhting about a woman drowning? That was never mentioned 30 years ago. It could have been a woman carrying some heavy things and she needed someone to help her. Especially by the response from the man...it does not suggest a drwoning woman.

You can't assume it was Natalie. If the Splendour was the only other boat in the water...maybe.

There were too many other boats and people there that night, so you can't assume the woman crying for help was Natalie.

 
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All of the accounts I've read mention Wayne originally saying she heard the cries around midnight. Why didn't Davern help Natalie if it was Natalie calling for help.

Nobody on the Splendour knew Natalie was in the water. Nobody knew Natalie was in trouble.

If any one of those men knew, they would have done something.

You just can't expcet people who are that drunk to act like people who are not drunk. That wasn't going to happen.

It was because of being drunk that Natalie ended up in the water in the first place.


 
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November 30 2011, 2:39 PM 

You've never read the report. Tell us where Walken was when he was interviewed complete with the phone number and tell us exactly what he told the police. Tell us what Walken told the police in the exact words he used, not what appears in Finstad's book.


I don't have the report in front of me but I have the police report. It's stated in that report when Wagner said that Natalie was no longer on the boat. The men who participated in the search gave a detailed account as far as the time is concerned. Tell us what they said.

You have never seen the official police report. Go ahead tell us the details. No? I didn't think so.

 
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I can't quote that without the report in front of me.

Why are you stalling?

You say you have the report...quote the two hour wait to call for help.

That is what is important to get straight.

Stop avoiding it.

 
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I want to clear this point up.

You've been saying you know the exact times Wagner stated to the police.

This is important.

Can you quote those times that show there was a 2 hour wait to make that first call?

 
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Can any other person quote those times from the 1981 police report.

 
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Now, we have Lana Wood claiming that Davern told her he and Wagner did nothing while Natalie was in the water yelling for help. Should we play eeny, meeny, miny, moe to pick which story Davern has told, to be the true one?

Is it the story that he told the police in 1981, is it the story he had published in GNGS or is it the story he told Lana Wood?

Wow, that's a lot of stories.


 
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Btw, in the Lana story, Davern also claims (again) that he was prevented from helping Natalie because Wagner stopped him.

Gee, when you think that all he had to do was to dive in...there must have been plenty of spots on the boat that allowed Davern access to the water.

Big, mean, 51 year old Wagner prevented this young man in his 30's from saving a drowning woman.

Oh, yeah, I buy that as much as I buy his seeing bruises through a blanket.

How do you spell desperate for cash...D A V E R N.

 
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November 30 2011, 6:01 PM 

Dennis did not say that. Lana said that Dennis said that. Where have you been? That story is very old,

 
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I'm waiting for you to tell me exactly what Walken said, where he was along with the phone number.

You've never seen the police report and you never will unless it's made public.

 
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November 30 2011, 7:00 PM 

I'd have told Bobby to F off if what was said was true. But I do believe all were wasted.

 
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"I'm waiting for you to tell me exactly what Walken said, where he was along with the phone number.

You've never seen the police report and you never will unless it's made public. "

Oh, yes. I have read the police report.

Again, you are trying to save face,

No, no, no. We were not talking about Walken, we were talking about you saying that there was a 2 hour wait before Wagner made that first call.

Now, put up or shut up.

 
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"Dennis did not say that. Lana said that Dennis said that. Where have you been? That story is very old, "



Yes, I know it is mentioned in GNGS. I'm talking about Lana going public with the story. I believe another woman is mentioned in GNGS, who claims Davern told that story to her.

 
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A new version of Wayne's story. There were two men answering to the womans calls for help. First there was one and she then sometimes there isn't a male voice at all. And either the woman yelled for help, or yelled i'm drowning, or some one please help me i'm drowning ,. or help hwlp i'm drowning ... Which is it? She changers her story more than a person changes their underwear in a week. Honestly how confusing.

 
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December 1 2011, 8:32 AM 

Why should Davern dive into the ocean? He couldn't see or hear Natalie. Was he supposed to swim the Pacific hoping to bump into her? His friend Wagner told him Natalie was in the dinghy. He wouldn't be able to catch up with a running dinghy, so why should he dive in? Why didn't WAGNER dive in to save his WIFE? LMAO, you people think Marilyn and Dennis should've risked their own lives by diving into a cold ocean on the hope of reaching who? What? But none of you question why Wagner didn't dive in.

 
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December 1 2011, 8:34 AM 

Marilyn Wayne's story hasn't changed. This is technically the first we are hearing from her directly, so what's changed? Once again, you point out changes that don't exist, but never point out all of the ways Wagner's story has changed over the years.

 
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Marilyn Wayne's story has changed quite a bit from her original account that she gave to the press back in 1981.

I have three 1981 and early '82 papers that have Wayne's original account.

You can find that original account under Natalie's Wikipedia page. It is under the heading of "Death."

 
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"Why should Davern dive into the ocean? He couldn't see or hear Natalie. Was he supposed to swim the Pacific hoping to bump into her? His friend Wagner told him Natalie was in the dinghy. He wouldn't be able to catch up with a running dinghy, so why should he dive in? Why didn't WAGNER dive in to save his WIFE? LMAO, you people think Marilyn and Dennis should've risked their own lives by diving into a cold ocean on the hope of reaching who? What? But none of you question why Wagner didn't dive in. "


My comments concern the third version of what happened to Natalie that Lana Wood says Davern told her.

Wood says she was told that as Wagner and Davern lookd on (as Natalie was in the water) Wagner said "Leave her there, teach her a lesson,"

Like a good dog (I mean boy), Davern obeyed and did nothing.

 
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That story is bullsheet and you know it. Davern passed on a lie detector that was VALID he didn't know Nat was in the ocean. You just want to kiss Waggy's butt.

 
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That story is bullsheet and you know it. Davern passed on a lie detector that was VALID he didn't know Nat was in the ocean. You just want to kiss Waggy's butt.

 
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December 1 2011, 2:39 PM 

Davern was intoxicated that night we his polygraph couls be worthless. Same if walken and Wagner take them. Because they would be tested truthfull when thry thought something happened and it didn't. I don't think ther is very many reliable people in this case. Good luckj to the investigators.

 
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