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July 24 2012 at 2:14 PM
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read the book that the troll was so anxious to bring to our attention, the book his MAN pumped on his website? The author wrote about how Wagner was not exactly gifted in the bedroom, how his bi- sexual leanings made him a flop in the marital bedroom. But it's fiction, right?

 
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July 24 2012, 2:47 PM 

I could literally not care less.

 
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July 24 2012, 2:52 PM 

Then why did you respond? Obviously, you do care or you would have ignored it.

 
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July 24 2012, 4:26 PM 

"Then why did you respond? Obviously, you do care or you would have ignored it."

It's a message board ya moron, it's here to post responses. Seems like you should understand that that's how it work. LOL You silly ***.




 
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July 24 2012, 4:35 PM 

When one does not care about a topic, one does not respond. A response indicates that you do care and I knew you would. I knew you would be the only person who would care enough to respond to post about Wagner's sexual prowess. You are totally predictable. Drop a few crumbs and you bite.

 
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July 24 2012, 4:27 PM 

"Then why did you respond? Obviously, you do care or you would have ignored it."

It's a message board ya moron, it's here to post responses. Seems like you should understand that that's how it work. LOL You silly ***.




 
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July 24 2012, 6:45 PM 

Poor BJ....omce you sample the tight warmth of the goat cheese nothing else compares...even if the most beautiful woman in the world is lying next to you !

 
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July 25 2012, 9:13 AM 

Since she married him twice and was so in love, it sure seems obvious she loved everything he did to her in the bedroom.

Like some unknown author would know lol. What's that got to do with her drowning?


 
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July 25 2012, 3:42 PM 

she was simply infatuated with him. she remarried b/c she didn't know that the first cut is the deepest, further, didn't know how to move on. there is no question she loved him, but it's b/c he was rj not b/c he was a certain way in bed )the bi-thing took some getting used to but i'm sure he said it was business.)

think about about it. the hottest chick is a complete ditz. do you marry her if u cant stand ditzes? no. do u marry her if she is great in bed AND you can't stand ditzes? no.

but if u can tolerate dumb women and actually want that, then bonus.

 
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July 26 2012, 11:21 AM 

I have no idea what that drivel means.

When a woman marries a man twice, never could stop thinking about him after the first divorce, marries him again til death do them part, pretty much sums up she found him exciting in the bedroom.

 
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July 26 2012, 11:33 AM 

So tell us what makes Wood such a Saint? at the age of 15 she was screwing men twice and three times her age. By 19 she was known as the whore of Hollywood. She married Wagner to redeem her morality in the eyes of the public, wagner married her because he loved her. After the divorce and Beatty dumped her she went bed hopping in an alcohol and drug induced state of mind until she married Gregson. When Gregson was giving her the bone she was thinking of RJ. after that divorce she was with the man she loved a nd ditto. the only normalcy she had in her life is when she was married to Wagner.

 
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July 26 2012, 12:11 PM 

"at the age of 15 she was screwing men twice and three times her age."

That dont make ya a bad person.

 
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July 26 2012, 12:21 PM 

You are responding to the gay troll who needs to trash Natalie so he makes up BS. He's the typical closeted gay man who looks down on women but uses them to disguise what he is just as RJ has done his entire life. Ignore him.

 
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July 26 2012, 4:51 PM 

There is no difference what anony 11:33 is saying and what susan fienstein wrote in her book

 
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July 26 2012, 5:28 PM 

"susan fienstein" ?? stupid fool.


 
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July 27 2012, 10:30 AM 

Natalie was a victim, not a saint. She was pushed into the Hollywood world by a mother who was a failed ballet dancer and wanted to live her dreams of stardom through her daughter. I can't stand people who live through their kids, it's so unfair to the children. Natalie was supporting her family at the age of 12, making $1,000 a week in 1950. Her mother forbade her from seeing her first love, Jimmy, because it would interfere with her career. How can you develop normally as a human being and have normal relationships coming from a background like that? R.J. entered the show biz world by choice as an adult and proudly announced to the world his bizarre relationship with Barbra Stanwyck, 21 years his senior. Natalie desperately sought normalcy with R.J. Sadly, he was a bitter, alcoholic, sexually conflicted, child-man and failed Paul Newman wannabe who could never accept a wife who was more successful than he and it ended with her tragic death. Surely Natalie saw all the warning signs from the first time around but was in denial and on the rebound after her divorce from Gregson. She deserves respect, Wagner deserves derision.

 
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July 27 2012, 10:46 AM 

Well said, Kathie!

 
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July 27 2012, 11:12 AM 

And he proudly announced it after Miss Stanwyck passed on and varied on how long this relationship lasted. He needed the Stanwyck story to cover up the lack of young ladies in this handsome young bachelor's life. Most of his "dates" were studio arranged. In reality, Wagner's first big romance was with Natalie. In his book he made reference to all of these secret romances that he had. How pathetic he is!

 
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July 28 2012, 8:23 AM 

Kathie, cheers! I like your perspective. Thus they were both victims of the industry and they both slept their way to the top.

 
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July 28 2012, 9:20 AM 

Hardly. R.J. entered the business by choice as an adult, not pushed into it by a star obsessed mother. Natalie was brainwashed from the age of 4...R.J. had a childhood. If R.J. didn't want to "sleep his way to the top" he was free to leave...instead he proudly announced his activities with Barbara Stanwyck in his autobiography. He also trashed the reputation of his dead wife in his autobiography. Natalie was raped by an actor/producer when she was 15..hardly "sleeping her way to the top." Natalie was pushed overboard and left to die in the ocean by her husband. R.J. is alive and well. It's comparing apples and oranges. If R.J. didn't want to be with her anymore, get a divorce. Let the kids have their mother but all he cared about was himself. No, I don't see him as a victim.

 
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July 28 2012, 3:05 PM 

You go, Kathie!!

 
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July 28 2012, 3:07 PM 

Kathie is totally in tune with reality of all of this!

 
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July 28 2012, 9:32 AM 

RJ never reached "the top".

 
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July 29 2012, 6:56 AM 

really!! compared to Woods "so called" stardom? compare apples to apples up to 1981 as far as "work" you won't like what you find. Now go cry to the administrator because " that's the only game you got". every post you have deleted shows "you can't handle the truth".

 
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July 29 2012, 7:37 AM 

Your post shows you can't handle the truth. Even Wagner knows that he never scaled the heights of stardom as Natalie did. Wagner's work history is littered with TV guest shots, minor supporting roles, B-movies. There are no classics in Wagner's work history that are classics due to him, due to his performance. He was an also ran. She was a name above the title star. Wagner's work history contains more in quantity but in quality, he does not come close. By the way, I don't have to look up Wagner's work history. That you do and think that all that garbage he did speaks positively of his career, speaks volumes about your lack of knowledge about Wagner's career. He has not one classic film in his history that was a classic because of him. He never delivered that WOW performance. He was not once in his film career honered with a Oscar nomination. In his long TV career he received one Emmy nomination. Wagner is a celebrity with a very un-celebrated career. He was an also ran and that's the truth. Natalie was a major star of her era and still remembered as such. He will remembered as her husband. What else is there to remember him for? His work history? LOLOLOL

 
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July 29 2012, 7:55 AM 

Wagner was a hack. Every male actor from his period of film making left him at the starting gate. Even so-so actors like Tab Hunter and Jeff Hunter went on to bigger and better starring roles while Wagner was wallowing on a Crooked Ship with the Pink Panther right before getting bumped off in Harper's pool. The only thing that saved his can was television and his wife's fame.
His career is so far in the craper now that the Death Certificate has been changed that even fleecing the elderly companies don't want him.
Maybe he can collaborate with the present Mrs. Wagner on a cook book for Las Vegas trollops.

 
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July 29 2012, 8:17 AM 

You keep thinking that. Wagner considered his acting as a job in the industry he loved, it's called work, he didn't consider it an ego ride like others. Wood did have a great career but she was seld destructive and in the last years she was doing the same thing wagner did TV, bit parts and "B" movies

 
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July 29 2012, 8:34 AM 

Tab Hunter was not nearly as successful as Wagner has been.

Looks like Nat should be awarded a victim of the century award. Poor Nat, she was victimized by so many people. Wagner must have forced all of that booze down her throat the day she drowned. Poor Nat.

 
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July 29 2012, 8:38 AM 

No, but he forced her off the boat.

 
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July 29 2012, 8:55 AM 


Poor Nat. She had a movie career that she didn't want, she got s**t faced drunk when she didn't want to, and Wagner forced her off of the boat when she didn't want to leave. Our victim of the century looks like she liked being taken advantage of. It's odd because her friends all describe her as a woman who would not take s**t from anyone. Funny how she didn't cry out for help when Wagner was supposedly beating her and forcing her off of the boat. Oh, right, Davern says he wouldn't have heard because he had the music playing. How you idiots buy this nonsense I don't know.

 
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July 29 2012, 8:35 AM 

LOL....Wagner didn't consider it an ego ride? LMAO

Natalie never did bit parts, never did B movies. You apparently don't know what a B movie is.

Natalie was not "seld destructive". More drama queen talk from the troll who knows zip about any of this.

 
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July 29 2012, 8:38 AM 

you're insulting yourself by your lack of knowledge

 
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July 29 2012, 8:39 AM 

I could care less about Wagner's career or non career. My original post was a defense of Natalie, a dead woman, and her reputation something her own husband was vile enough to trash when she was unable to defend herself. I haven't deleted any posts in this forum. Wagner was responsible for Natalie's death and then responsible for the assasination of her character to protect himself. Anyone else who wants to defend Wagner's career can go right ahead. Savaging a dead woman is despicable to me.

 
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July 29 2012, 8:42 AM 

Nat did that to herself when she decided to drink herself drunk on top of the pills she was taking. Nat has nobody but herself to blame for her death.

 
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July 29 2012, 9:00 AM 

You keep telling yourself that. The police and the coroner don't believe her death was an accident because of the bruises the covered her body. Gee, I wonder what they think about that? The investigation goes on. I can't wait to reveal all that's gone on behind the scenes, to reveal what they actually believe took place and why.

 
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July 29 2012, 9:02 AM 

I'll take the conclusions of the two pathologists who actually saw Natalie's bruises. Gee, I wonder why they thought that her bruises were made from her attempts to board the dinghy--they saw the bruises in person. Up close and personal. Hmm.

 
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July 29 2012, 9:21 AM 

Of course you'll take the original conclusions. They did not say that those bruises were acquired climbing into the dinghy. That is not stated in the coroner's report or the police report. They had no idea how the bruises were sustained. Her death is no longer considered an accident due to the bruises that covered her body and Noguchi was thrown under the bus. They claim that he screwed up. They don't understand how a coroner can see a body covered in bruises and rule the death accidental without asking anyone about they bruises, without insisting that all three men be examined. The entire team of investigators in the original investigation did a sloppy, careless job. That has been proven in the re-investigation, by the change in the death certificate.

 
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July 29 2012, 10:03 AM 

Noguchi was a leading expert on wounds. He said that there was nothing suspicious about Natalie's bruises. And he actually saw them up close and personal. Yes, I will always take the conclusion of a person who actually saw the body and was able to see the actual wounds with his own eyes, on Natalie's body, over a person who is seeing them in pictures. Yep, that's just the kind of person I am.

 
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July 29 2012, 8:44 AM 

TV saved Wagner of he would have ended up doing this autograph shows to make a buck. Wagner is a professional celebrity, a charmer. His own memoir tells it like it was. When actors with long film careers write their memoirs, they write about the films that made their career, their experience with the director, what the film did for their career. Wagner didn't have that so he wrote a big kiss and tell in which most of what he wrote was invented to make him look like a big lover boy.

 
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July 29 2012, 9:09 AM 

"TV saved Wagner." At the end of her life, it looks like tv was saving Natalie's career as well.

 
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July 29 2012, 9:22 AM 

LMAO, Natalie was making movies, name about the title. Wagner? Nope She's remembered as a movie star, he is a TV actor who did detective shows.

 
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July 29 2012, 9:59 AM 

No. Natalie was known as a tv actress at the end. The movies she made were all duds the last 10 years of her life. Duds! Her last 10 years,the work she is remembered for as being of any quality was her tv work--COAHTR, FHTE AND CF.

 
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July 29 2012, 10:05 AM 



The one thing that Natalie would have done if she was being beaten was scream for help. She never did. Natalie was too drunk and on pills and that is what caused her to fall into the ocean. Not Wagner.


 
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July 29 2012, 10:11 AM 



Gee, Nat takes no responsibility for anything in her life? Everything was done to poor Nat against her will? No, life doesn't wotk that way. Nat lived the life she wanted to live. Nat did what she wanted to do. Nobody forced Nat to take pills and liquor together. She did that all by herself.

 
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July 29 2012, 12:02 PM 

Again, a trivial fool like you can think that. The detectives beg to differ.

 
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July 29 2012, 12:00 PM 

Natalie is remembered as a movie star, an icon. There is nothing a trivial fool like yourself can do to change that.

 
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July 29 2012, 12:26 PM 

movie star yes like thousands of others icon no. she never reached her full potential she was self destructive she turned down many oscar winning roles, she knew what she doing she knew once she reached the moon there was no where else to go but down she was a total mess

 
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July 29 2012, 12:32 PM 

You don't know what you're talking about as usual. Natalie turned down work to be home with her kids. You can trash Natalie all day long that will not change the fact that she is remembered with love and respect from fans all over the world. Wagner? He will be remembered as her husband and to some he will be remembered the person who ended her life. We'll have to wait for the investigation to conclude, there will more he will he remembered for. Can't wait for old Wagpie to be revealed.

 
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July 29 2012, 1:02 PM 

Natalie was depressed that she was over the hill. She would not be offered any importatnt roles anymore. Not a woman who was 43y/o. She was drinking too much and she was taking too many pills. That's the truth of it. She was getting parts that were the bottom of the barrel. Even BS was a nothing part. Her movie career ended with BCTA.

 
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July 29 2012, 1:11 PM 

Wagner's career is so sorry that this RJ fan needs to trash Natalie in order to build up old Wagner's sorry *** career. He can't name any pieces of work Wagner has done that stand out so he trashes Natalie. Speaks volumes.

 
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July 29 2012, 2:17 PM 

What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that this is not about Natalie vs Wagner. This is about where Natalie was at back in 1981. She was going through a midlife crisis. Nobody is trashing Natalie--at least, I am not. I am looking at the truth. I'm not trying to put the blame on another person.

 
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July 29 2012, 2:30 PM 

We were talking about Wagner's work history. You turned it into trashing Natalie. We weren't discussing 1981. It's all been said on this forum.
Given his behavior that weekend it looks like old Wagpie was the one going through the mid-life crisis. I can't wait for the facts of the investigation to be revealed.

 
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July 29 2012, 2:52 PM 

You keep on comparing Natalie's career to Wagner's, as if that means anything. They were both successful in their own way. Good for them, but it has nothing to do with Natalie and why she was drinking so much (and taking pills) when she had her accident. Yes, Natalie was drinking too much and she was taking prescription drugs. That is just the truth. If you can't accept that then that is your problem.

 
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July 29 2012, 3:06 PM 

RJ was drinking too much just as he had most of his life. Did you read his book. His excuse for anything he did that might be considered out of character was that he was drunk.
Natalie's autopsy report showed that she was not a heavy drinker. Her liver was healthy. She was healthy. Yes, she had too much to drink that night just as the 3 men did. In her system were 2 meds, one for pain, one for sea sickness. Her autopsy showed a healthy woman who did not abuse herself. No trashing from the likes of you can change those facts.
Fool, many people take prescription drugs. Her autopsy showed that she did not abuse any drugs of any type. She was a healthy woman who had a long life ahead of her but Wagner would not let that happen. She knew too much.
In the current investigation, the alcohol and prescription drugs are not seen to have played any role in her death. Her death is no longer considered an accident. If you can't accept that then it is your problem.

 
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July 29 2012, 3:14 PM 

That means nothing. Natalie had been drinking heavy for the last couple of years of her life. Liver damage would not show. Wagner didn't take drugs--that's the difference. Natalie was mixing alcohol with prescription drugs. Not a smart idea. That's why she was walking into things that night. She was an accident waiting to happen. When she was alone, it did. Stop trying to blame another person in order to make Natalie look better. She has to take responsibility for her own behavior.

 
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July 29 2012, 3:21 PM 

"She knew too much."

LOL!!! Oh, this stupid nonsesne. This is what they are now saying about Marilyn Monroe. They are writing that she knew too much and RFK had her killed. Unbelievable. This shows the mentality of these idiots. I bet you believe that those were not airplanes that flew into TWC on 9/11, too.

Natalie knew too much so she had to die...you can't make this crap up folks. Idiots!


 
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July 29 2012, 3:37 PM 

"RJ was drinking too much just as he had most of his life."

Hmm, drinking so much yet he has lived a long life. He'll be 83 in Feb.

 
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July 29 2012, 5:16 PM 

We'll talk about this when the case is closed.

 
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July 29 2012, 5:15 PM 

Well, you can go on with that fantasy but the homicide detectives believe differently.

 
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July 29 2012, 5:28 PM 

Oh really? The detectives believe differently?

 
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July 29 2012, 5:32 PM 

Yes and I've said that many times.

 
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July 29 2012, 5:49 PM 

But that's not what the detectives have said.


Natalie was drinking too much that day. She was also taking a narcotic. Natalie was an accident waiting to happen.

 
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July 29 2012, 5:53 PM 

LOLOL You have no idea what the detectives are saying. And at the time the assistant coroner said that the amount of the meds that were in her system were minimal, he said that they would have no effect one way or the other. That's what the professional pathologist said. The only person who is making a big deal out this is you. Speaks volumes!

 
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July 29 2012, 6:12 PM 

They were minimal? Nice try but no takers. We have Natalie's autopsy that shows Darvon was not minimal--ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL OF THE ALCOHOL THAT SHE HAD CONSUMED. YIKES! NATALIE WAS FEELING NO PAIN! Again, you can't accept the truth. You have to put the blame on another person. Someone else has to take the blame for the dearly departed. This is a common phenomenon.

 
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July 29 2012, 6:19 PM 

I'm telling you what the asst. coroner said. She had one Darvon in her system. You try to make it sound like she was strung out on drugs which was not the case. The ONLY person who makes that claim is you. You are pathetic. You are the one who cannot accept the truth. I wonder how you'll deal with the revelations that will be made when the investigation is closed.

 
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July 29 2012, 6:20 PM 

A narcotic drug and alcohol are a recipe for disaster! Those are what killed Natalie Wood. That is the reality of that night.

 
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July 29 2012, 6:30 PM 

That's not what the homicide detectives saying. That's not what the coroner is saying. They live in the reality of the case. Neither the alcohol or the Darvon and sea sickness meds are even a consideration. It does not matter what an RJ fan fool like you believes nor does it matter what I believe. So far, everything you said would never happen, has happened. So obviously you are not the one to make a judgement on any of this. You are too besotted by Wagner to be able to see beyond his baby blue eyes. The detectives don't have the crush on old RJ that you seem to. They are not blinded by him, not at all.

 
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July 29 2012, 6:32 PM 

"She had one Darvon in her system."

LOL!!! Oh, I guess Natalie hadn't taken them every day for the month prior to her death? You idiot! Again, a person who is not concerned about the TRUTH. Only concerned about making Natalie look good.

 
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July 29 2012, 6:37 PM 

"Neither the alcohol or the Darvon and sea sickness meds are even a consideration."


LOL!!! Of course not. Why should alcohol and a narcotic drug be of any consideration when it involves the case of a woman who drowned?
You are an IDIOT! Can people be this stupid? Ask a silly question...

 
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July 29 2012, 6:47 PM 

"Natalie never did bit parts, never did B movies. You apparently don't know what a B movie is."

"A Cry In the Night" was a B movie. That was the MOTHER of all B movies. Wagner never made a movie so bad as ACITN.

 
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July 29 2012, 6:53 PM 

A Cry in the Night was not a B movie. I was, however, referring to her adult career. She was a teen sensation when she did that film which Jack Warner wanted her do do. She was a teenager when she made A Cry in the Night. Wagner made B movies when he was in his late 30s because that was all that was offered to him. His leading man days ended in the late 50s, early 60s after his teen idol image faded.

 
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July 29 2012, 6:47 PM 

Maybe because they believe she was murdered.

 
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July 29 2012, 6:46 PM 

According the autopsy report there was one in her system. Many people take one pain pill a day. some take two or three. You have no idea what she took, when or why. You are so pathetic. It's sick the way you are trying to trash her. You are not concerned with the truth. I don't have to work to make Natalie look good as she looks just fine. She is remembered with love and respect. You are so consumed with hatred for her that you are obsessed with trashing her all over the internet. Even Wagner's fans don't want to have anything to do with you because you're a nut. The fact is that NO ONE except you makes an issue out this. You need help. There is something wrong with you. You're sick and have been for some time. Your behavior here and elsewhere displays that you are a deeply disturbed individual.

 
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July 29 2012, 6:49 PM 

You freak. I'm not going to blame another person for the death of his wife when his wife was taking a narcotic and drinkIng large quantities of alcohol. You stupid moron.

 
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July 29 2012, 6:56 PM 

Thank God you are not in charge of the investigation. Calling me names makes YOU look like a moron, a freak, not I. Get help before it's too late. There is something wrong with you.

 
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July 29 2012, 7:29 PM 

Yes, narcotics and alcohol have no bearing on a person. Oh, Lord, forgive them for they know not how ignorant they are.

You people can't be for real?

 
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July 29 2012, 7:41 PM 

Don't you know that Nat would have been just peachy keen? So what that she was taking a narcotic and drinking lots of alcohol. That never caused people to crash their cars and kill other people. Oops, actually, the more I think about it the more I realize that people drinking and drugging do kill other people. I guess if they can kill other people they can kill themselves.

 
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July 29 2012, 8:47 PM 

Drugs and alcohol are a bad combination.

 
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July 29 2012, 9:16 PM 

I can't think of drugs and alcohol in a good way. Hehehe.

 
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July 30 2012, 8:17 AM 

she went to her stateroom to settle down for the night and then her drunken, out of control husband went in the room, beat her and threw her in the water. His drunkenness made him totally out of control like he was the night he tried to jump out of a window or when he hung out at Beatty's with a loaded gun. Booze renders him a dangerous man. Who know what else he indulged in that night. He was not tested as he should have been.

 
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July 30 2012, 11:04 AM 

Natalie was a really small person, she was tiny. She had so much alcohol in her bloodstream--not to mention the Darvon. All of that in that tiny person. That is why she couldn't walk straight that night. No surprise that a person in that condition fell off of the boat. No surprise at all.

 
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July 30 2012, 11:32 AM 

you are forgetting the antivert that was also in her system, ever take one? makes you want to sleep, there was a cocktail of drugs on her nightstand she was also addicted to sleeping pills and there are residual effects of these medications, valuim also. wagner would never lay a hand on her unless he knew for sure he could get away with it. that night with the drugs and alcohol flowing there were no guarantees one thing rj is not and thats stupid what we now know about the long term effects of perscription drug abuse we did not know then if we did her death would have been ruled overdose and alcohol poisoning

 
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July 30 2012, 12:53 PM 

More BS from the Wagner loving troll. There were no pill bottles on her nightstand. You sound like a tabloid writer.

 
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July 30 2012, 1:10 PM 

I see Poopy has been a busy turd talking to himself again. Oh wait! That's right. He has a lot of friends here!

Happy pooping!

 
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July 30 2012, 1:38 PM 

He is so freakin stupid. ANTI-VERT duh. It's used to prevent dizziness and VERTigo. DUH! Stupid fool.

 
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July 30 2012, 1:56 PM 

Yes, Antivert (meclizine) can cause a lot of drowsiness (especially with a lot of alcohol). People are cautioned not to drink while taking it. It is an antihistamine.
I don't know how she was standing at all with what she had in her bloodstream. One wrong move and down she would go, and down she did go.

 
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July 30 2012, 2:48 PM 

My goodness, what a happy little psycho you must be today. Look how many people responded to your usual BS. I'm sure though that many of them knew exactly who they were responding to. When you're trashing Natalie, it's your Don/Lee persona. When you're using Pope sayings, constantly bringing up Monroe and putting a spin on biblical quotes (Lord forgive them . .) then you're Jocko. When people get really mad and you want them to keep talking, you change your tone and hide behind anonymous. It doesn't really matter how you sign or what you say, your crazy shines through. New ruling on her death certificate got you in a twist, dearie?

 
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July 30 2012, 2:58 PM 

she went to her stateroom to settle down, then that drunken animal went in and threw her around the room, then in the water and let her die. He waited 4 hours to call the Coast Guard, 2 hours to make that radio call and ordered all involved to keep the search "low key". If he wanted her found he would have turned on the lights, did the radio call, called the Coast Guard all at once upon noting that she was gone. He waited for her to die. How would he explain those bruises if she lived. Hell. he may have planned the entire thing. He called the CG two weeks before and asked about search and rescue on both sides of the island. That's not a call one makes in November. I wonder how he will explain all of this. And the lies he's told over the years make him look horribly guilty. It will be interesting to find when the time comes what Wagner will say to explain all of the lies and contradictions, the length of time he waited, why he waited. I wonder if they will ask him to take a polygraph? I wonder which version of the bottle breaking he will tell the police. They have the original police report. They know what time Wagner noted that Natalie was gone. That's already been told. He can BS his fans but the police know. They also know that he lied about several matters. It's going to be very interesting. Even if foul play cannot be proven at this late date we will know what the police thought about it and why. We will know why they re-opened the investigation. We will know a few things Mr. Wagner would prefer we didn't know and all of this will follow his to his grave and beyond. Wagner's troll fan can sing this booze and drugs song but the police who are investigating this case and have total access to the autopsy report do not feel that the alcohol played a part in her death nor do they feel the 2 prescription drugs she took, a pain med and a sea sickness med, had anything to do with her death. Only this Wagner loving troll feels that way. Even the pathologists from 30 years ago stated that the 2 pills in her system made no difference one way of the other. As a matter of fact the asst. coroner compared it to taking a head ache pill and a drinking a cup of coffee. Caffeine was found in her system also. There were extensive tests done for drugs and with exception on one Darvon, a sea-sickness pill and a cup of coffee, she was drug free. This troll needs this to trash her because that's all he has. The case has been re-opened, it's being investigated by cold case homicide detectives, the death certificate has been changed to Undetermined due to the bruising on her body. That does not look good for Wagner so this nutcase troll makes up stories. In all her years that she lived there has never been gossip about Natalie drinking too much or abusing drugs. The talk was there with Elizabeth Taylor, Judy Garland but never Natalie. That's why her autopsy showed a healthy woman. No liver damage, no brain damage. She did not have the body of a woman who abused herself and this is a woman who lived and worked in Hollywood her entire life. I remember reading a book where a woman told of how she, the woman, who doing a line of Cocaine in restaurant and Natalie asked her what she was doing. This was in the late 70s. Yeah, big drug fiend. And this Wagner fool said that Natalie was addicted to sleeping pills. I know many people who take a sleeping pill at bedtime, every night. Are they all drug addicts? No. They are all clean living, hard working people who function in every day life just fine, just as Natalie did. In her life, she worked hard, she was a professional, a real person as many of her friends said. She was a loving, caring mother, a good friend, a loving daughter, a loving sister. She respected her fans. Now that she's dead, she's fair game for trolls like the Wagner lover. Anything to clean the stench off Robert Wagner.

 
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July 30 2012, 3:25 PM 

When they did Natalie's autopsy, the coroner noted in the report the smell of alcohol coming from her stomach. That was at 1:30PM on Sunday afternoon. Her blood alcohol would have been much higher at the time she fell into the water. It was 0.14% 14 hours after her last drink. Natalie was an accident waiting to happen that night.

 
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July 30 2012, 3:38 PM 

Of course there was the smell of alcohol, stupid. There was food there also. When one dies, digestion ceases. You have no idea how the blood alcohol level is deduced, that's for certain.

 
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July 30 2012, 3:40 PM 

she went to her stateroom to settle down, then that drunken animal went in and threw her around the room, then in the water and let her die. He waited 4 hours to call the Coast Guard, 2 hours to make that radio call and ordered all involved to keep the search "low key". If he wanted her found he would have turned on the lights, did the radio call, called the Coast Guard all at once upon noting that she was gone. He waited for her to die. How would he explain those bruises if she lived. Hell. he may have planned the entire thing. He called the CG two weeks before and asked about search and rescue on both sides of the island. That's not a call one makes in November. I wonder how he will explain all of this. And the lies he's told over the years make him look horribly guilty. It will be interesting to find when the time comes what Wagner will say to explain all of the lies and contradictions, the length of time he waited, why he waited. I wonder if they will ask him to take a polygraph? I wonder which version of the bottle breaking he will tell the police. They have the original police report. They know what time Wagner noted that Natalie was gone. That's already been told. He can BS his fans but the police know. They also know that he lied about several matters. It's going to be very interesting. Even if foul play cannot be proven at this late date we will know what the police thought about it and why. We will know why they re-opened the investigation. We will know a few things Mr. Wagner would prefer we didn't know and all of this will follow his to his grave and beyond. Wagner's troll fan can sing this booze and drugs song but the police who are investigating this case and have total access to the autopsy report do not feel that the alcohol played a part in her death nor do they feel the 2 prescription drugs she took, a pain med and a sea sickness med, had anything to do with her death. Only this Wagner loving troll feels that way. Even the pathologists from 30 years ago stated that the 2 pills in her system made no difference one way of the other. As a matter of fact the asst. coroner compared it to taking a head ache pill and a drinking a cup of coffee. Caffeine was found in her system also. There were extensive tests done for drugs and with exception on one Darvon, a sea-sickness pill and a cup of coffee, she was drug free. This troll needs this to trash her because that's all he has. The case has been re-opened, it's being investigated by cold case homicide detectives, the death certificate has been changed to Undetermined due to the bruising on her body. That does not look good for Wagner so this nutcase troll makes up stories. In all her years that she lived there has never been gossip about Natalie drinking too much or abusing drugs. The talk was there with Elizabeth Taylor, Judy Garland but never Natalie. That's why her autopsy showed a healthy woman. No liver damage, no brain damage. She did not have the body of a woman who abused herself and this is a woman who lived and worked in Hollywood her entire life. I remember reading a book where a woman told of how she, the woman, who doing a line of Cocaine in restaurant and Natalie asked her what she was doing. This was in the late 70s. Yeah, big drug fiend. And this Wagner fool said that Natalie was addicted to sleeping pills. I know many people who take a sleeping pill at bedtime, every night. Are they all drug addicts? No. They are all clean living, hard working people who function in every day life just fine, just as Natalie did. In her life, she worked hard, she was a professional, a real person as many of her friends said. She was a loving, caring mother, a good friend, a loving daughter, a loving sister. She respected her fans. Now that she's dead, she's fair game for trolls like the Wagner lover. Anything to clean the stench off Robert Wagner.

 
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July 30 2012, 3:41 PM 

When I opened this thread I noticed the smell of BS all over your post. As it gets later in the day, the smell will increase.

 
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August 1 2012, 7:26 PM 

Wagner was NEVER going to be as successful as Natalie! All he ever was was the pretty boy with the fake voice, as Bobby Hyatt said.He was doing well to actually be in Natalie's circle even when she was only19! He was already outclassed.

 
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July 30 2012, 3:40 PM 

The reason for their first marital breakup was finding him RJ with another man...an old and homely one at that
Natalie weighed 97 pounds...her cries for help that night were heard in the darkness....why could 2 experienced swimmers with life preservers NOT rsecue her...RJ is a dog..Natalie's many financial investments and his longing
to be with another...or others...were MOTIVE enough....He is trash

 
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July 30 2012, 3:44 PM 

she went to her stateroom to settle down, then that drunken animal went in and threw her around the room, then in the water and let her die. He waited 4 hours to call the Coast Guard, 2 hours to make that radio call and ordered all involved to keep the search "low key". If he wanted her found he would have turned on the lights, did the radio call, called the Coast Guard all at once upon noting that she was gone. He waited for her to die. How would he explain those bruises if she lived. Hell. he may have planned the entire thing. He called the CG two weeks before and asked about search and rescue on both sides of the island. That's not a call one makes in November. I wonder how he will explain all of this. And the lies he's told over the years make him look horribly guilty. It will be interesting to find when the time comes what Wagner will say to explain all of the lies and contradictions, the length of time he waited, why he waited. I wonder if they will ask him to take a polygraph? I wonder which version of the bottle breaking he will tell the police. They have the original police report. They know what time Wagner noted that Natalie was gone. That's already been told. He can BS his fans but the police know. They also know that he lied about several matters. It's going to be very interesting. Even if foul play cannot be proven at this late date we will know what the police thought about it and why. We will know why they re-opened the investigation. We will know a few things Mr. Wagner would prefer we didn't know and all of this will follow his to his grave and beyond. Wagner's troll fan can sing this booze and drugs song but the police who are investigating this case and have total access to the autopsy report do not feel that the alcohol played a part in her death nor do they feel the 2 prescription drugs she took, a pain med and a sea sickness med, had anything to do with her death. Only this Wagner loving troll feels that way. Even the pathologists from 30 years ago stated that the 2 pills in her system made no difference one way of the other. As a matter of fact the asst. coroner compared it to taking a head ache pill and a drinking a cup of coffee. Caffeine was found in her system also. There were extensive tests done for drugs and with exception on one Darvon, a sea-sickness pill and a cup of coffee, she was drug free. This troll needs this to trash her because that's all he has. The case has been re-opened, it's being investigated by cold case homicide detectives, the death certificate has been changed to Undetermined due to the bruising on her body. That does not look good for Wagner so this nutcase troll makes up stories. In all her years that she lived there has never been gossip about Natalie drinking too much or abusing drugs. The talk was there with Elizabeth Taylor, Judy Garland but never Natalie. That's why her autopsy showed a healthy woman. No liver damage, no brain damage. She did not have the body of a woman who abused herself and this is a woman who lived and worked in Hollywood her entire life. I remember reading a book where a woman told of how she, the woman, who doing a line of Cocaine in restaurant and Natalie asked her what she was doing. This was in the late 70s. Yeah, big drug fiend. And this Wagner fool said that Natalie was addicted to sleeping pills. I know many people who take a sleeping pill at bedtime, every night. Are they all drug addicts? No. They are all clean living, hard working people who function in every day life just fine, just as Natalie did. In her life, she worked hard, she was a professional, a real person as many of her friends said. She was a loving, caring mother, a good friend, a loving daughter, a loving sister. She respected her fans. Now that she's dead, she's fair game for trolls like the Wagner lover. Anything to clean the stench off Robert Wagner.

 
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July 30 2012, 3:44 PM 

So is the person who continues to blame Marilyn Wayne and Payne for Natalie's death that night. Nice try, Jocko.

 
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July 30 2012, 3:46 PM 

I think the poster was referring to Wagner and Davern.

 
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July 30 2012, 4:48 PM 

Natalie was walking into things that night. She was plastered. Not a good place to be (on a boat) when you are that intoxicated.

 
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July 30 2012, 5:37 PM 

Wagner walked into her stateroom in a rage and threw her in the water.
By the way it was reported that Wagner tripped while walking to the dinghy from the restaurant. A lot of people said a lot of things. Wagner was a drunken wild man, out of control.

 
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July 30 2012, 10:44 PM 

"Natalie weighed 97 pounds"

Idiot

When she died, she was over 120 pounds

 
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July 30 2012, 11:36 PM 

Which is only more proof the fool here knows nothing about Natalie's death or her now changed case. The fool says the police haven't changed the police reports so all is status quo. LMFAO. They can't change an original report but they can change a cause of death when new evidence is researched and accepted, which in Natalie's case, the new evidence has determined a completely different cause of death. This isn't over and the change in death certificate is more than likely a beginning for more to come, not an end of what once was. Before arguing more with this ignorant fool who scales all heights of stupidity, remember this:
Rumors are started and carried by haters, spread by more fools, and accepted by idiots.

 
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July 31 2012, 12:20 AM 

Natalie was drinking too much alcohol and taking drugs. That is why she fell off of the boat.

 
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July 31 2012, 7:13 AM 

she went to her stateroom to settle down, then that drunken animal went in and threw her around the room, then in the water and let her die. He waited 4 hours to call the Coast Guard, 2 hours to make that radio call and ordered all involved to keep the search "low key". If he wanted her found he would have turned on the lights, did the radio call, called the Coast Guard all at once upon noting that she was gone. He waited for her to die. How would he explain those bruises if she lived. Hell. he may have planned the entire thing. He called the CG two weeks before and asked about search and rescue on both sides of the island. That's not a call one makes in November. I wonder how he will explain all of this. And the lies he's told over the years make him look horribly guilty. It will be interesting to find when the time comes what Wagner will say to explain all of the lies and contradictions, the length of time he waited, why he waited. I wonder if they will ask him to take a polygraph? I wonder which version of the bottle breaking he will tell the police. They have the original police report. They know what time Wagner noted that Natalie was gone. That's already been told. He can BS his fans but the police know. They also know that he lied about several matters. It's going to be very interesting. Even if foul play cannot be proven at this late date we will know what the police thought about it and why. We will know why they re-opened the investigation. We will know a few things Mr. Wagner would prefer we didn't know and all of this will follow his to his grave and beyond. Wagner's troll fan can sing this booze and drugs song but the police who are investigating this case and have total access to the autopsy report do not feel that the alcohol played a part in her death nor do they feel the 2 prescription drugs she took, a pain med and a sea sickness med, had anything to do with her death. Only this Wagner loving troll feels that way. Even the pathologists from 30 years ago stated that the 2 pills in her system made no difference one way of the other. As a matter of fact the asst. coroner compared it to taking a head ache pill and a drinking a cup of coffee. Caffeine was found in her system also. There were extensive tests done for drugs and with exception on one Darvon, a sea-sickness pill and a cup of coffee, she was drug free. This troll needs this to trash her because that's all he has. The case has been re-opened, it's being investigated by cold case homicide detectives, the death certificate has been changed to Undetermined due to the bruising on her body. That does not look good for Wagner so this nutcase troll makes up stories. In all her years that she lived there has never been gossip about Natalie drinking too much or abusing drugs. The talk was there with Elizabeth Taylor, Judy Garland but never Natalie. That's why her autopsy showed a healthy woman. No liver damage, no brain damage. She did not have the body of a woman who abused herself and this is a woman who lived and worked in Hollywood her entire life. I remember reading a book where a woman told of how she, the woman, who doing a line of Cocaine in restaurant and Natalie asked her what she was doing. This was in the late 70s. Yeah, big drug fiend. And this Wagner fool said that Natalie was addicted to sleeping pills. I know many people who take a sleeping pill at bedtime, every night. Are they all drug addicts? No. They are all clean living, hard working people who function in every day life just fine, just as Natalie did. In her life, she worked hard, she was a professional, a real person as many of her friends said. She was a loving, caring mother, a good friend, a loving daughter, a loving sister. She respected her fans. Now that she's dead, she's fair game for trolls like the Wagner lover. Anything to clean the stench off Robert Wagner.

 
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July 31 2012, 6:13 AM 

"different cause of death" LOL she drown

 
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Natalie was smashed the night she had her accident. Natalie should have been more responsible being she was on a boat.

 
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she went to her stateroom to settle down, then that drunken animal went in and threw her around the room, then in the water and let her die. He waited 4 hours to call the Coast Guard, 2 hours to make that radio call and ordered all involved to keep the search "low key". If he wanted her found he would have turned on the lights, did the radio call, called the Coast Guard all at once upon noting that she was gone. He waited for her to die. How would he explain those bruises if she lived. Hell. he may have planned the entire thing. He called the CG two weeks before and asked about search and rescue on both sides of the island. That's not a call one makes in November. I wonder how he will explain all of this. And the lies he's told over the years make him look horribly guilty. It will be interesting to find when the time comes what Wagner will say to explain all of the lies and contradictions, the length of time he waited, why he waited. I wonder if they will ask him to take a polygraph? I wonder which version of the bottle breaking he will tell the police. They have the original police report. They know what time Wagner noted that Natalie was gone. That's already been told. He can BS his fans but the police know. They also know that he lied about several matters. It's going to be very interesting. Even if foul play cannot be proven at this late date we will know what the police thought about it and why. We will know why they re-opened the investigation. We will know a few things Mr. Wagner would prefer we didn't know and all of this will follow his to his grave and beyond. Wagner's troll fan can sing this booze and drugs song but the police who are investigating this case and have total access to the autopsy report do not feel that the alcohol played a part in her death nor do they feel the 2 prescription drugs she took, a pain med and a sea sickness med, had anything to do with her death. Only this Wagner loving troll feels that way. Even the pathologists from 30 years ago stated that the 2 pills in her system made no difference one way of the other. As a matter of fact the asst. coroner compared it to taking a head ache pill and a drinking a cup of coffee. Caffeine was found in her system also. There were extensive tests done for drugs and with exception on one Darvon, a sea-sickness pill and a cup of coffee, she was drug free. This troll needs this to trash her because that's all he has. The case has been re-opened, it's being investigated by cold case homicide detectives, the death certificate has been changed to Undetermined due to the bruising on her body. That does not look good for Wagner so this nutcase troll makes up stories. In all her years that she lived there has never been gossip about Natalie drinking too much or abusing drugs. The talk was there with Elizabeth Taylor, Judy Garland but never Natalie. That's why her autopsy showed a healthy woman. No liver damage, no brain damage. She did not have the body of a woman who abused herself and this is a woman who lived and worked in Hollywood her entire life. I remember reading a book where a woman told of how she, the woman, who doing a line of Cocaine in restaurant and Natalie asked her what she was doing. This was in the late 70s. Yeah, big drug fiend. And this Wagner fool said that Natalie was addicted to sleeping pills. I know many people who take a sleeping pill at bedtime, every night. Are they all drug addicts? No. They are all clean living, hard working people who function in every day life just fine, just as Natalie did. In her life, she worked hard, she was a professional, a real person as many of her friends said. She was a loving, caring mother, a good friend, a loving daughter, a loving sister. She respected her fans. Now that she's dead, she's fair game for trolls like the Wagner lover. Anything to clean the stench off Robert Wagner.

 
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July 31 2012, 8:33 AM 

She was throw in the water by her husband. He watched her struggle.

 
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Just read again Natalie's autopsy. All bruises listed as "superficial." No signs of anybody hitting Natalie.

 
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July 31 2012, 9:25 AM 

One of the signs of domestic abuse is multiple superficial bruises. That's why the death certificate was changed. They made that very clear.

 
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July 31 2012, 9:49 AM 

Also, the cold water made the bruising less prominent. Cold water acts as a remedy for bruises, for swelling. We'll never know how badly beaten she was because he would not allow her to live and have others see what he did to her. This is what the astute detectives are seeing.

 
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July 31 2012, 9:50 AM 

Superficial bruises without any other damage to the body (and Natalie had none) means nobody hit Natalie. Natalie not calling out for help means nobody hit Natalie. And Natalie would have called out for help if Wagner hit her even one time. If Natalie was being beaten she would have called out to Davern when he says he knocked on their stateroom door after hearing noises. She never did. Two other grown men on board and she never cried out for help. That is just not believable. Natalie was not beaten by Wagner or anyone else. No, Natalie was struggling with that dinghy and bruised herself superficially. Nobody hit Natalie. Noguchi was a leading expert on wounds and saw no evidence of abuse. None. Those are just the facts.

 
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July 31 2012, 10:15 AM 

You have no idea who called for whom or where they were when Wagner dragged her and pushed her around and grabbed her wrists tight enough to cause bruising. And that dinghy theory? LMAO We'll talk about that when the case is closed. Only the Wagner freaks bought that story. Yes, we will come back to this.

"Noguchi was a leading expert on wounds" LMAO! Do you realize how dense you sound? Of course you don't. Apparently, the coroner who is working on the cold case investigation does not agree with the "expert on wounds" Noguchi. He feels that the bruises were not caused ,accidently. The cause of death was changed due to those bruises. They said that old Noguchi made the wrong call. Those are the facts.

 
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July 31 2012, 10:43 AM 

Noguchi was a very influential coroner. Noguchi was an expert on wounds. He taught the other guys what to look for. Noguchi saw no evidence of any abuse. Noguchi saw the body and the wounds with his own eyes. He examined the wounds, not pictures of the wounds. Sorry, those are just the facts.

 
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Apparently Noguchi and his staff failed miserably in this case because the coroner's office went on record as saying that Noguchi made the wrong call, they said he did not follow procedure in this case, that his "accidental drowning" findings were inconsistent due to the multiple bruises on her body. The "influential coroner" screwed up. Those are the facts in 2012!



 
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Noguchi got it right. He was the expert on wounds. Natalie's wounds were not caused by another person hitting her. Noguchi saw the wounds, not pictures of the wounds. He examined them. Nobody hit Natalie. Natalie's wounds were too superficial to be caused by someone hitting her. Those are just the facts.

 
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LMAO, well the current experts disagree with you and I would say that they are far more schooled in this than you are , PLUS, they are not besotted by Robert Wagner, as you so obviously are. They went into this with opened minds and they feel that Noguchi made the wrong call and said as much, publicly. No one forced them to change the death certificate. They did so after 8 months of investigation. I'm sure there is more to this that will be revealed when the case is closed. You can repeat your BS all day long but nothing will change the fact that Natalie's death is no longer considered by the authorities to be an accident due to the bruises on her body. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what they do feel the cause of her death was and the investigation goes on. Time will tell as it already has done to a point, to the point that it is certified that Natalie Wood did not die accidentally.

 
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July 31 2012, 1:29 PM 

Our arm chair coroner. You know more than Noguchi. You keep LYAO. It seems that is what you are good at.
I haven't heard one word from the coroner or the detectivces, since Jan 10.

 
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July 31 2012, 2:05 PM 

I don't but the LA Coroner apparently does. They said that Noguchi did not follow protocol. They disposed of Noguchi's finding of accidental drowning.

You haven't heard a word. LMAO That proves that you live in denial. You're still hanging onto that statement by McSweeney. You've insisted that the case was closed since McSweeney fed the media that statement. I guess you didn't hear that the coroner's office changed the death certificate, that Natalie's death is no longer certified as an accident due to the bruising on her body, that the coroner's office issued a statement that Noguchi did not follow protocol by failing to account for all the possibilities for the bruises. I know you like to live in the past, live in denial, but the investigation is on going. Glad to bring you up to date. LMAO


 
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July 31 2012, 2:22 PM 

LMAO, the arm chair expert. The coroner's office hasn't denied or confirmed. The detectives have said nothing. But, as always, arm chair (LMAO) detective knows better. Oh brother. Another idiot.

 
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The coroner's office made an official statement. The detectives, the actual investigating detectives, have said nothing. Not a word from them. Detectives don't make public statements about open cases. Only those who are not directly involved in the case have made statements like "Robert Wagner is not a suspect." Only dunces like you with think that the detectives are going to announce that Wagner is a suspect or tell the public who they have interviewed. Because you did not read that Dennis or Walken were interviewed, you compulsively posted that they were not interviewed. LMAO You are in no position to call anyone an idiot as a look in the mirror spotlights who the idiot is, go ahead take a long look.

The coroner's office confirmed that the death certificate was changed and why.
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I know better than you which is not a big challenge. Obviously, you know very little about a topic you can't seem to stop discussing. You've been wrong on every level. All of what you claimed would not happen, has happened. Living in denial then, living in denial now. Continue with your empty insults as they reflect on you.

I look forward to the day when all the facts of the new investigation can be discussed. I don't think it's gonna be pretty for old RJ, not pretty at all.

 
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July 31 2012, 2:53 PM 

The arm chair idiot has spoken again. Now, she says the detectives haven't said anyhting. What a moron. Listen, go back to your rocking chair and Nataional Enquirer.

What has happened? Nothing. Wagner is not a suspect. If they changed it at all, they have not said they suspect foul play. Hehehe. You keep saying things have happened and nothing has happened.

Where is the report that sayds Noguchi got it wrong?

 
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July 31 2012, 3:05 PM 

When you are running on empty, you repeat the same insults.

You go on and believe that Wagner is not a suspect and that they do not suspect foul play in a case that is being investigated by cold case homicide detectives. Again you display your own stupidity with your "Hehehe" thinking that they will announce that they suspect foul play. They have already changed the death certificate from accidental to Undetermined and said that the reason for the change was the bruising on Natalie's body. Gee, I wonder if these HOMICIDE DETECTIVES suspect foul play. How dense can you be. Denial, denial , denial. You keep thinking as you do, I know better.

As for statement about Noguchi. Look for it. It's there. I've read it several times.


 
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"However, TMZ reports, "Law enforcement sources tell TMZ the reason for the change is that there was bruising on Wood's body that is not NECESSARILY consistent with an accident ... but it doesn't prove foul play."

TMZ, in its story today, writes: "Our sources say the investigation is still officially 'active' but in fact it's been at a dead end and detectives have unearthed no new evidence to lead them to a conclusion there was foul play. We're told there is 'certainly no evidence' leading detectives to a suspect."

The TMZ story also reiterates something the Sheriff's Office has said since it reopened the case in 2011 -- that Robert Wagner is not a suspect in the reopened case. There has been some speculation that Wood and Wagner had some sort of altercation the night before her body was found in the ocean."


Noguchi got it right the first time.

 
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July 31 2012, 3:26 PM 

They are just saying that Noguchi didn't follow protocol and list her death as undetermined. That's because Noguchi is a smart man and he knew that her bruises were not caused by another human. Noguchi is the expert. Protocol is the only reason for the change. They do not suspect foul play and they certainly don't suspect Wagner.

You morons have done enough harm to Wagner and his family and you all should go off with your tail between your legs and crawl back under the rocks you crawled out of.

You people are sickening. Like hungry vultures waiting to make your kill.

 
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July 31 2012, 3:38 PM 

Well, I guess he was not all that smart in this case because his finding was over ruled and death certificate was changed because Noguchi did not follow protocol, he did not follow through with the bruises. He made a serious mistake by not considering anything other than an accident being responsible for those bruises. His mistake has been taken care of and the cause of death has been changed.

A team of HOMICIDE DETECTIVES are investigating a cold case going on 9 months but they don't suspect foul play. Yeah, OK. We'll come back to discuss this when the case is closed.

 
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Nope. All that protocol means here is that if you can't prove one way or the other that the bruises were not made in a struggle with another human being or that Natalie bruised herself in her struggle to stay alive, you are supposed to list death as undetermined. That's it. Noguchi, the expert, knew better. That is all this is about.

That they do not suspect foul play shows that they really do agree with Noguchi, but they have to follow protocol.

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July 31 2012, 3:44 PM 

You are posting exactly what the LASD wanted the public and the media to believe. Are you that stupid that you think they are going to tell TMZ that they suspect foul play. You proved my point. Yes, you are that stupid. I know better and so does Wagner, I'm sure. Can't wait to tell the rest of this story!

No, Noguchi got it horribly wrong but thankfully, a more astute coroner got it right.

You still have not found the articles about Noguchi's screw up or you don't want to. The name of the coroner who made the decision is included in the article. denial, denial, denial

 
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Yes, I believe the detectives when they say that they don't suspect foul play and the case is going nowhere. You are too weird to even discuss this with.

It's obvious they agree with Noguchi that it was an accident, but they are just following protocol.

 
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and the case is also on "security hold". If the statements from the spokesperson are accurate why would security be so tight.

The detectives who are investigating the case have said nothing. They have made no statements. You go ahead and believe those statements which tell you what you want to hear. I know better.

LMAO, they re-opened the investigation, changed the death certificate to make it very clear that her death is no longer considered an accident but this fool thinks that means that they feel it was an accident. LMAO @ this fool They said that Noguchi did not follow protocol, that Noguchi was wrong to certify the death as an accident. Natalie's death is certified as Undetermined" which means that her death is no longer thought to have been an accident. Noguchi made the wrong call it's been stated publicly. You'll never understand what is as plain as day because you're just to dense. He refuses to see that it was the bruises that covered Natalie's body that made the coroner change the death certificate. It's been said publicly that the coroner's office felt that Noguchi was too quick to call it an accident, that he neglected to consider that the bruises were caused by something other than an accident. They said that Noguchi should not have certified Natalie's death as an accident. This Wagner loving troll cannot see the facts because he does not want to as he twists the words he reads. Stupid fool. Denial, denial, denial


 
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Yes, they do consider it an accident. They have been telling us that for 7 months. Where have you been? This really does deserve a LOL.

Now, get under your rock.

 
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They no longer consider her death to be an accident. That would be clear to anyone but you. They changed the certified cause of death as undetermined. That means that the coroner's office no longer feels that her death was accidental siting the bruises as the reason. They said that Noguchi failed to consider all of the possibilities for the bruising.
Let's see we have homicide detectives investigating a case going into it's 9th month, the death certificate states that Natalie's death is no longer considered an accident due the multiple bruising on her body. That screams accident! LOL The fact is if they truly felt her death was an accident the case would never have been re-opened and it certainly would have been closed by now. And now her death is ruled as "Undetermined" after 30 years of being certified as an accident. Homicide detectives are traveling all over the country, including to Hawaii to investigate a death they feel is accidental. Yeah sure, that makes sense. Take off the rose colored glasses, sweetie. They are investigating this case as a homicide. That's what homicide detectives do, they investigate homicides, they look for evidence of murder. LASD does not have their homicide detectives investigate deaths they feel are accidents especially deaths that are over 30 years old. That would be rather foolish, wouldn't it? Do you know how ridiculous you sound? No, of course you don't. Denial, denial, denial.

 
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July 31 2012, 6:47 PM 

Noguchi an expert on bruising and wounds? I find that hilarious. Noguchi couldn't see anything accurately with all the fame stars in his eyes. He didn't do a thorough job on Natalie because he was too busy thinking up his next sound bite.

 
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"TMZ, in its story today, writes: "Our sources say the investigation is still officially 'active' but in fact it's been at a dead end and detectives have unearthed no new evidence to lead them to a conclusion there was foul play. We're told there is 'certainly no evidence' leading detectives to a suspect."

I guess you didn't read what TMZ wrote. They don't think foul play was involved. That means they agree with Noguchi's findings but they have to put undetermined according to protocol. That's it! Protocol is the reason, not any evidence that foul play was involved. Get it?

Noguchi taught the other guys how to do it. Noguchi is THE expert on wounds and bruises. He is a most respected man in his field.


 
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I've read it all and it's all BS and I know that for a fact. but you go on and believe it. LMAO You go ahead believe what a spokesperson said the TMZ LOLOL You are fool enough to believe it.
No, they don't agree with Noguchi to the point that they changed his original findings of accidental drowning, It's no longer considered an accident by the authorities and there is nothing you can say to change that.
You don't know what you're saying. You don't know what protocol means. By saying that he did not follow protocol, they meant that he failed to consider other reasons for the bruising, that he jumped to a conclusion without looking for further cause for the bruising. Her death is no longer considered an accident. It's being investigated by cold case homicide detectives for 8 months. That's not done when deaths are thought to be accidents.
How many coroners are you familiar with? You are familiar with Noguchi because he was the coroner to the stars as he called himself. He was one of the most controversial coroners of his time. His hunger for press attention has gotten in the way of his cases. He is not an expert on wounds. You made that up and LMAO at it. As far as respect, in the 60s his co-workers tried to have him fired. They reported how he wished a plane would crash so he could get the attention as the coroner. His career ended with him being fired from his position. He was left to do menial tasks. He was no longer trusted to work on big cases. I imagine there are some who will speak well of him but Thomas Noguchi has many blotches on his legacy and he brought it on himself.
The case is open, the investigation is on going. The LASD will not tell the media that they feel Natalie was murdered and that they suspect her husband. The press would not leave them alone if they did. They play it down and the media leaves them alone. But you go on with you life in denial. I know better. Time will tell you simple minded fool. LOLOL "Noguchi is the expert on wounds" LOLOLOL Stupid fool

 
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July 31 2012, 10:55 PM 

Anyone who thinks Wagner is not responsible for Natalie's death is delusional. He waited hours before finally calling for help, which he wanted low key. Huge red flag there. The thing that meant so much to him, his image, is starting to tarnish. I'll bet he's sitting in his comfy chair, drink in hand, covered in flop sweat. He better get used to it.

 
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The authorities do not think it was foul play, that means they don't think Wagner was invloved. Those are just the facts.

 
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The authorities are feeding the media what they want them to believe. People like this Wagner troll will believe it. The FACT is that this case is being investigated by cold case homicide detectives. If they did not see foul play, the case would have been closed a long time ago. As for them not thinking Wagner was involved, Wagner knows better. I look forward to discussing this in detail when the time is right.

 
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"TMZ, in its story today, writes: "Our sources say the investigation is still officially 'active' but in fact it's been at a dead end and detectives have unearthed no new evidence to lead them to a conclusion there was foul play. We're told there is 'certainly no evidence' leading detectives to a suspect."

Dingbat, What part of "dead end," and "no new evidence to lead them to a conclusion there was foul play" do you not understand? LOL.

Natalie died because she had been drinking too much alcohol on top of the meds she had been taking. That is why she fell off of the boat. If they can't find anything to suggest otherwise than it is not there. Her death was an accident.

 
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LOLOL.....you go ahead and believe that, I know you need to believe that. You are naive and dumb enough to believe that the LASD is going give out details of an open case. You are desperate to clean the stench off Wagner that you accept any crumb they drop.

Her death is no longer considered an accident. Undetermined means that don't know how she died. HOMICIDE detectives are investigating. Homicide detectives don't investigates accidents, the investigates potential homicides.

Since the change in the death certificate no one has referred to Natalie's death as an accident. Noguchi screwed up and the LA County Coroner's Office fixed his screw up. Natalie's death should never have been certified as an accident. It should have been certified as "undetermined". The LA County Coroner's Office feels that the bruises were inconsistent with an accidental drowning.





 
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LOL. Yeah it wasn't an accident. That's why they are saying there was no foul play. Hehehe.

Now, get back under your rock and leave Wagner and his family alone. Let Natalie rest in peace.

 
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LOLOL, and in your simple mind you think that they are going tell the media that they feel she was murdered and create a media blitz. They know how to tone down the media and that's what they did.
I'm the least of Robert Wagner's concerns. If you really felt that way you would not be posting here and on other websites non-stop, using various names as well as anonymously. When it's slow here you post anti-Wagner just to stir the pot. So please spare us the phony "leave Wagner alone" "let Natalie rest in peace" BS. You can't stop, you'll never stop. You're obsessed.

 
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" They know how to tone down the media and that's what they did."

Hehehe. You are an idiot. What else is there to say to you and your idiotic way of thinking?

The expert has spoken again.

 
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August 1 2012, 10:43 AM 

If they are indeed investigating the Wood case as a possible homicide, I don't see how in the world they could find the solid proof they'd need to actually make an arrest. I wonder if Walken is sticking with his exaggerated story. If this is really true, I would think Wagner is not farting happily.

 
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There are no suspects. Undetermined means they don't know anything but she drown. The bruising are inconsistant with drowning DROWNING but those bruises could have came fron anywhere thus undetermined even your BFF Jocko knows the difference he posted it on IMDB why don't you ask the X resident attorney here he will agree if he knows the law he has no choice. You can't fix stupid.

 
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Can someone with a brain on here answer me if they have interviewed the remaining 3 survivors and if so, have they been polygraphed yet?

Oh, yeah, I forgot we're dealing with LA.

Why don't they take another trip to Hawaii instead?

 
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They are done. They have made a statement that they do not suspect foul play. It was an accident. Accept it and move on.

 
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If everyone had moved on then Natalie's case would never have been reopened. If everyone had moved on then her death certificate would never have been changed. If everyone had moved on they wouldn't see the big finale coming. Yes, Robbie, the bell is tolling for thee.

 
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August 1 2012, 5:27 PM 




It was reopened for nothing. They found the same result as Noguchi. They changed the DC because of protocol--big deal. The result is she died by accident. All of that time, money and resources for nothing.

Leave Wagner and his family alone and let Natalie rest in peace. You are sick people who can't let this go.

 
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August 1 2012, 6:30 PM 

You don't know what protocol is. You keep saying that they changed the death certificate because of protocol but you don't have a clue what protocol is. When they said Noguchi did not follow protocol, they meant that he should have certified the death as Undetermined because the bruises on her body went beyond the bruising one would attain in an accidental drowning. Her death is now ruled as Undetermined, it's no long certified as an accident. They were very clear when they announced the reason for the change. They changed the death certificate due to the bruises. In all likelihood they feel that she was beaten and thrown in the water and the investigation goes on. I'll be here with details when the case is closed. Not pretty for Mr. Wagner, not pretty at all.

 
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August 1 2012, 6:33 PM 

As the fool talks to himself. We'll discuss these matters when the case is closed. Not pretty for Mr. Wagner.

 
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August 1 2012, 6:51 PM 

" In all likelihood they feel that she was beaten and thrown in the water and the investigation goes on." lol!

God, I hate morons like the person who wrote the above sentence. Truly, this is a sick person who cares nothing about the truth, but only wants Natalie to have been murdered. It is reallly quite sickening.


TMZ printed another story a few days later to clear up the facts.

"Robert Wagner is NOT a suspect in Natalie Wood's death, TMZ has learned ... this in the wake of a change in her death certificate.

We broke the story ... the L.A. County Coroner has changed Wood's cause of death from "Accident" to "Undetermined."

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ the reason for the change is that there was bruising on Wood's body that is not NECESSARILY consistent with an accident ... but it doesn't prove foul play.

Here's the real reason for the change. After Wood's died in 1981, then L.A. County Coroner Thomas Noguchi jumped to a conclusion -- something he was prone to do -- that Wood's death was an accident.

Noguchi did not follow protocol by accounting for ALL possibilities for the bruises -- possibilities which could include foul play, but could just as easily come down to Wood's hitting the side of the boat or the dinghy as she fell in the water.

We're told protocol all along should have been to call Wood's death "undetermined."

Our sources say the investigation is still officially "active" but in fact it's been at a dead end and detectives have unearthed no new evidence to lead them to a conclusion there was foul play. We're told there is "certainly no evidence" leading detectives to a suspect"


Again, they have reported that Wagner is not a suspect and that they don't think there was foul play. The dingbat expert keeps trying to change the truth, but we know better.

 
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August 1 2012, 7:19 PM 

You know what the LASD is telling the media. Believe what you choose. The fact is the case is being investigated by cold case homicide detectives. Homicide detectives don't investigate accidents, they investigate cases where they suspect foul play is involved. They've been doing so for 8 months. Homicide detectives don't investigate cases for 8 months if they have no suspects, That's common sense which this Wagner troll-boy does not have.
Everything this troll has said would never happen, has happened. That's an indication of how much he knows. He expects the LASD to tell the public who they have questioned. LOLOL This troll has insisted that none of the 3 men on the boat have been questioned, he feels that if they have, the public would know. Is it any wonder that this fool believes what the LASD feeds the media?
When it's all over, we'll discuss the details in the meantime live in denial and believe what the LASD PR wants the media to believe.
By the way, in all likelihood they DO she was beaten and thrown in the water, proving it is what is taking so much time. Cold Cases take up to a year to investigate and no one has told them to stop the investigation.

 
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"Our sources say the investigation is still officially "active" but in fact it's been at a dead end and detectives have unearthed no new evidence to lead them to a conclusion there was foul play. We're told there is "certainly no evidence" leading detectives to a suspect"



No new evidence. No foul play. They've been saying this for 8 months now. Natalie died by accident. Let her rest in peace.


 
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August 2 2012, 6:14 AM 

the autopsy report was changed to undetermined without questioning wagner davern walken now that speaks volumes, but " we will discuss it when it's over" ROTFLMFAO

 
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It's over. It's been over for 8 months. Natalie died by accident. That is a good thing. It's a good thing that she wasn't forced to die at the hands of another person. That is not a bad thing, that is a good thing.

 
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August 2 2012, 7:01 AM 

It's no longer certified as an accident. Noguchi failed to follow protocol by not considering foul play in relation to the bruises. That's what a crew on Homicide detectives is doing right now, considering foul play and have been doing so for 8 months. It's not "over" as this fool states.

 
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August 2 2012, 6:56 AM 

Yes, we will. This fool thinks the public will be told when witnesses are questioned. That speaks volumes about this numb skull fan of Wagner.

 
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August 2 2012, 7:03 AM 

What do you expect them to say, Bozo, that they suspect she was murdered and that her husband is the lone suspect? Of course that's what you suspect. Pathetic fool.

 
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August 2 2012, 8:30 AM 

""Our sources say the investigation is still officially "active" but in fact it's been at a dead end and detectives have unearthed no new evidence to lead them to a conclusion there was foul play. We're told there is "certainly no evidence" leading detectives to a suspect>"


There is no evidence (none at all) that points to foul play. They have nothing else to look at. They have looked at everything. Noguchi and the detecives back in '81 got it right. No big surprise.

Again, you should be glad that she wasn't murdered. You are disappointed. That is sick.

 
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August 2 2012, 8:45 AM 

The case is still open and active. If they were convinced that there was no foul play, they case would have been closed months ago. We'll come back to this when the case is closed. In the mean time, the Wagner fans can read and re-read what the LASD told media is an effort to quiet the media. Believe what you choose. Some of us know better, Robert Wagner is among them. Maybe you should call him and reassure him.

 
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August 2 2012, 9:58 AM 

Even if there is no NEW evidence, there is plenty of OLD evidence looked at in a new way by more competent "cold case"investigators. Did RJ as reported earlier make a phone call a few weeks before Natalie's death to compare rescue procedures between the Isthmus (more deserted) and Avalon harbor ( a very busy place)? Interestly enough, this was about the time he returned from visiting her in NC amid rumors flying about concerning her äffair"with Chris Walken. As we know, both Natalie and Dennis were against moving the boat on Sat. to the Isthmus, but as usual, RJ got his way. Then , of course, we have others who should be questioned who were in the vicinity of the Splendour's boat slip. Marilyn Wayne's son's new watch set a different time line that RJ's right from the get-go. WHY would such a loving husband wait all that time to call for help and then insist on "low- key"....because of his image??? Give me a break !!and then not to even go to ID the body a few yards away on shore and then plan to not even go to the funeral until his lawyer talked him into it...Image again,or maybe a guilty conscience. I remember an interview he gave to a magazine in the early 80's where the reporter asked him if he felt at all guilty and he exploded at her in a very un-Jonathan Hart-like way... Again, over-reaction is a classic symptom. Face it, whatever comes out of this , RJ's precious image is SHATTERED!! as it very well should be......

 
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August 2 2012, 10:08 AM 



Look how desperate you are to want to believe Natalie was murdered. That is so sick.

They have no more evidence to look at. They've looked at it all. They said there was no foul play. She died by accident. Accept it and move on. It's ghoulish how you keep wanting a her murdered.

 
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August 2 2012, 12:47 PM 

The detectives are so stupid and hard up for crime in LA that they are still pursuing the dead end Natalie Wood case? Is that what you want us to believe? My goodness, their superiors must have oodles of money to just let the detectives keep going with it. Perhaps it's just expensive busy work to keep the detectives amused. Or a prank? That prankster, McSweeney, always saying there is nothing to find yet the investigation continues on. Wagner is a suspect. We know it and HE most certainly knows it.

 
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Exactly. This idiot thinks that they are still investigating. An accidental drowning and this idiot thinks they are going to spend a year investigating a 30 year old case that was solved 30 years ago. LOL.

 
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August 2 2012, 1:38 PM 

Reread the post above yours, assuming you are capable of it. The case is still being investigated and all that was designed to show you how ridiculous you sound when you say otherwise. It's called S-A-R-C-A-S-M.

 
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August 2 2012, 1:39 PM 

Stupid, the poster you are responding to is telling you that you are wrong and it went right over your head which is not too difficult.

 
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They are not pursuing the case, that is the point. There is nothing to pursue. They have said time and again that there is no evidence pointing to foul play.

Two investigations and no foul play.

 
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August 2 2012, 6:06 PM 

No amount of holding your breath and jumping up and down will change the facts. It is still being investigated. Even the sources you cited have said so. Why would they continue if the case is dead? Your posts make no sense at all except that you want Wagner to skate. Do you not see the illogic of two detectives assigned to a case going nowhere? LA could not spare two able bodied detectives to keep pursuing a dead end. Use common sense not your wishful fantasy land.

 
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August 2 2012, 7:12 PM 

LOL to the fool who says they aren't investigating. I know someone the detectives visited about a week ago right in LA. Believe me, from what my friend told me, they aren't only investigating, they're lookin for the keys to some handcuffs.LOL

 
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"LOL to the fool who says they aren't investigating. I know someone the detectives visited about a week ago right in LA. Believe me, from what my friend told me, they aren't only investigating, they're lookin for the keys to some handcuffs.LOL"


I think they're looking for the heys to the psycho ward, and not for Wagner.

 
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August 3 2012, 6:10 AM 

when wagner walken davern are questioned then we'll talk

 
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August 3 2012, 7:04 AM 

and what makes you think none of these men have been questioned? Because the LASD did not announce it, because you didn't read it on TMZ?

 
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August 3 2012, 7:47 AM 

Yeah, hate to tell ya but the LASD isn't reporting directly to any of the 6 of us on this sh!tty little forum out here in the wasteland of the internet.

 
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August 3 2012, 8:04 AM 

but that Wagtroll thinks we will be told who they questioned. He believes the PR statements that are put out there to keep things quiet.

 
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August 3 2012, 8:18 AM 

It is not important for them to question Wagner and Walken thirty years later. The reports taken by the police back in 1981 are the important info to be reviewed. Thirty years on, the mind will not remember the details like it did at the time of the event. They will only question them if they feel something needs to be cleared up. If they haven't questioned them, that means they don't see the need to. They have said all along that it was an accident and Wagner is not a suspect.

 
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August 3 2012, 9:33 AM 

Comparing the OLD information in view of real facts can help throw some light on the investigation. Comparing Wagner's lies with the truth of that night might help, such as he went to "kiss"her good-night and found her missing, the wine bottle was broke as a result of "rough seas"and of course, he heard nothing and as we all know water is a "great conduit". Then of course he also said the water was "smooth as glass". Find those direst quotes from his lying lips, along with many others. Even Walken had the good sense to keep quiet rather than back himself into a corner. RJ is no brain surgeon! Let's not let his rather unimpressive celebrity keep him from being treated like anyone else, even if it is 30+ years later. It was a badly mishandled case!! Justice calls out.

 
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Comparing the OLD information in view of real facts can help throw some light on the investigation. Comparing Wagner's lies with the truth of that night might help, such as he went to "kiss"her good-night and found her missing, the wine bottle was broke as a result of "rough seas"and of course, he heard nothing and as we all know water is a "great conduit". Then of course he also said the water was "smooth as glass". Find those direst quotes from his lying lips, along with many others. Even Walken had the good sense to keep quiet rather than back himself into a corner. RJ is no brain surgeon! Let's not let his rather unimpressive celebrity keep him from being treated like anyone else, even if it is 30+ years later. It was a badly mishandled case!! Justice calls out.

 
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August 3 2012, 9:46 AM 

Walken lied to the police, also.

 
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August 3 2012, 9:45 AM 

What a naive reasoning you have. They re-opened a 30 year old case but did not bother to question they 3 men on the boat. OK LOL

 
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If there was a reason to question them they would have. Everyone knows the most reliable witness info in any case is info taken at the time of the event. Those are just the facts, mam.

 
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August 3 2012, 10:46 AM 

and what makes you think they haven't been? You're totally naive and rather stupid if you do not believe any of the 3 men have been questioned. Looking forward to spilling the details about this. Speaks volumes!

 
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August 3 2012, 11:27 AM 

Walken, Davern, and Wagner have not HAVE NOT been questioned by the Police. The resident idiot says they don't have to be questioned to complete an investigation, that is the most stupid statement I have heard on any of these sites to date HUGE HUGE LOL

 
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August 3 2012, 4:25 PM 

Those are just the facts, mam.

 
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August 3 2012, 6:18 PM 

This troll claims the 3 men have not been questioned. He has no idea who has been questioned and who has not. We will come back to that. OH yes, that is something we will come back to. Of course they have to be questioned to complete the investigation. The only person who stated that their testimony was not essential is the stupid troll. He's the only person who makes those insane statements. Ignore him.

 
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August 3 2012, 8:03 PM 

why doesn't Wagner just volunteer to take a polygraph, as well as Walken. Davern has already done this with solid results. Dr. Phil has reputable people on his CBS show who have had years of experience and very good crediblity among the cold-case detectives and Sheriff's Dept.(Very close-by and convenient in LA) He would surely pass with flying colors.... LOL ( more sarcasm for those who don't "get"it on the first read.)If RJ passed, doubtful at best, it might help to restore his precious image he considered more important than conducting an all-out search for his wife.

 
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August 4 2012, 6:21 AM 

That will never happen. Robert Wagner would never submit to a polygraph.

 
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Look it up! Witness testimony at the time closest to the event is always more reliable. Like I said, if they need to clarify something they will talk to the witness, but the original testimony is the most important.

All of this talk is for naught because Natalie accidentally fell off of the Splendour and drowned. Wagner loved Natalie and had never harmed her. He couldn't. He really loved her too much to ever hurt Natalie.

 
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August 3 2012, 8:51 PM 

He loved Larry too but no one is sure how the dog died either. Wagner's passing will not help him one bit (literaly). Most actors who pass are praised for their body of work and that will take about a minute in his case, then, back to getting justice for Natalie.

 
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August 3 2012, 10:45 PM 

Idiot troll. Davern said in two interviews back in Nov of '11 he was questioned and that was before the investigation!!!!! I heard Rulli say in an interview on TV she was interviewed by the LACSD!!!! Why would they interview Rulli? She knows the score!!!!I highly doubt these two authors would say such a thing if it weren't true. The LACSD would be all over them for lying about such a thing!!! God, I can't wait to hear what's really been going on one day!!

 
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August 4 2012, 4:02 AM 

Rulli wasn't even there. I find her disgusting. The authors who write books like the one she wrote, are the lowest of the low.

 
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August 4 2012, 6:17 AM 

Of course, you don't like Rulli. She revealed the truth about the night Natalie died.

 
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August 4 2012, 6:16 AM 

"Look it up" LOLOLOL Stupid, this is a COLD CASE investigation. In Cold Case investigations they go back and re-investigate, they speak to everyone from the original investigation as well as people who were not spoken to the first time around. In the original witness statements, everyone lied. Their original statements are from "reliable". They will be asked why they lied.
According to the authorities, they have no idea how she entered the water and her death is certified as undetermined because her body was covered in bruises that were not consistent with an accidental drowning and the investigation goes on.

 
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August 4 2012, 6:46 AM 

Everyone lied? You are basing that on a drunken employee. Davern was so wasted and disgusting that it was noted by the detective.

The people who write these books disguat me. They are the lowest of the low.

 
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August 4 2012, 7:14 AM 

No, I'm basing it on the police report. And let us not forget, Robert Wagner's lies are now known. Robert Wagner was wasted and disgusting but that was not noted by starstruck Duane Rasure. It was , however, noted by the original search crew throughout the police report. They said he was so drunk he could barely stand, his voice was slurred. Of course, this could be due to the fact that he drank after he claimed that he first noticed that Natalie was gone which was, according to the police report, around midnight. Rather than make a call for a search for his missing wife. He sat there and drank. He admitted this in Gavin Lambert's book but what he withheld in that book, in all interviews, in his own book, was the time he allegedly noticed she was gone. That is recorded in the police report. Midnight! He withheld that because he does not want the public to know how long it took him to call for help of any kind. It's all recorded for posterity. All of his lies cannot erase the facts.

 
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August 4 2012, 7:47 AM 

Rulli WAS NOT questioned. Lana was. Rulli was contacted and told to shut her snatch. Davern, Walken , and Wagner WERE NOT questioned.

 
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" Robert Wagner was wasted and disgusting but that was not noted by starstruck Duane Rasure"

No, it wasn't noted. Oh, wait, Rasure was picking on Davern because he wasn't a celebrity, right? It just may well be that Wagner was not acting wasted and in a disgusting manner. That of coure did not occur to your little brain. Rulli makes Davern all-seeing and knowing that weekend. Yet, Rasure describes him as drunk and unkempt. Hmm, who to believe? Yeah, that's a real tough one there. He didn't even see to it that a broken bottle was cleaned up. He waits and asks about cleaning it up hours later when police will being dropping by. Wagner must be real guilty of something because he leaves the glass. This is the knind of garbage that Davern's book wants people to believe. Davern was so wasted he had no idea what was going on that night.

Rulli cleans up Davern's image real good so you buy that BS story. Unbelievable.

 
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August 4 2012, 9:06 AM 

rulli does nothing she writes down daverns bull this insulates rulli because it's hearsay it also insulates davern because he can say she wrote out of content its all a game for money and fame rulli didnt get the investigation reopened davern and smiths statements did that then those statements were were thrown in the trash when they public lied about them gngs is fiction police work with facts not fiction can't wait till this is over and the bots bury their heads in their litter boxes

 
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August 4 2012, 9:23 AM 

Well, that's not going to happen.

 
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August 4 2012, 9:21 AM 

Wagner's drunkenness is noted throughout the police report. You're denial will not change that. Rasure has sour grapes because Davern drew attention to his horrid "investigation". Of course he is going to try to discredit him. I'm sure Rasure despises Dennis. Oh well! Davern drew attention to Rasure's utter incompetence, that Rasure could not see that all three men lied to him.
Of course he left the glass. Walken was there when Wagner flipped out and broke the bottle. He had no idea what Walken would say to the police when the time came.
What's unbelievable to me is how anyone can believe Robert Wagner. He is a compulsive liar, a man who is consumed with his image. He lied throughout his book. He lied about little things, he is certainly going to lie about the big things.

 
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August 4 2012, 9:25 AM 

who said he lied? you? who are you?

 
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I'll tell you who it is it's the tabloid queen that Garrett exposed.

 
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August 4 2012, 10:24 AM 

I thought Tommy Garrett believed Natalie Wood's death was not an accident. At least by his web site it sounded like that to me.

 
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I'll tell you who it is it's the tabloid queen that Garrett exposed.

 
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August 4 2012, 9:40 AM 

Now the idiot is getting pissed, he is responding to himself.

 
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August 4 2012, 9:38 AM 

Robert Wagner admitted that he lied AND it's all in the police report. Take those blinders off! LOL

 
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The only reason Rasure didn't like Davern was because Davern was acting like a drunken, dirty, unkempt low-life. Oh, Rasure didn't like Davern because he wasn't a celebrity. You see, Rasure's wife Liked Natalie so that means Rasure was startstrcuk. God, you idiot.

Natalie was much more consumed with her image than Wagner ever was. Wagner aged gracefully. No plastic surgery for him. Time has shown the man to be decent, caring and well liked in Hollywood.

Because Natalie was facing a midlife crisis for the last few years of her life is not Wagner's fault. He worked long hours to provide for his family. He was faithful to her and he really loved her. To suggest that Wagner would hurt Natalie is shameful. Absolutely zero proof that Wagner ever laid a hand on Natalie that night (or any night). Natalie had two other adult men on the Splendour but never cried out for help--even when Davern says he knocked on their door. It's all BS.

 
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August 4 2012, 9:54 AM 

LMAO Oh my God! No plastic surgery for Wagner. He just wore makeup and dyed his hair for years so the grey would not show. So much for aging gracefully. LOLOLOL OMG, how blind this Wagbot is!

Rasure said nothing about Dennis until Dennis drew attention to Rasure's shabby investigation and his failure to catch on the lies he was being told. It had nothing to do with Dennis not being a celebrity and I never said that it did. You are lying when you claim that I said that. That's why you have ZERO credibility.

This troll will say anything to clean the stench of guilt off Wagner.

Faithful? No

There is no proof that he hit her because Noguchi and Rasure failed to check the 3 men for marks. Shabby, shabby investigation. Thank goodness it's been re-opened.

Natalie did not need Wagner to provide for her. If anything he owed her the money he accepted from her when they got back together.





 
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August 4 2012, 10:03 AM 

"LMAO Oh my God! No plastic surgery for Wagner. He just wore makeup and dyed his hair for years so the grey would not show. So much for aging gracefully. LOLOLOL OMG, how blind this Wagbot is!"

That was for his job you dingbat. Yes Wagner grew old gracefully. You can't accept that. You are foaming at the mouth to have him be the one to have caused Natalie's death. You can't stand the fact that he is well liked and respected in Hollywood. Hehehe, I love it.

 
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August 4 2012, 10:11 AM 

No, it's not for job. He wore makeup in public. His job did not require him to dye his hair. That was his vanity at work.

Some of the most repulsive people are well liked in Hollywood, Wagner being one of them. However, how he will be remembered is what truly matters and it's not going to be pretty, especially when the investigation is over. Not pretty at all.

 
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August 4 2012, 10:31 AM 

Wagner is too well liked and too nice a man to be remembered for anything but.

 
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August 4 2012, 10:45 AM 

Yeah, right! At this point what he is remembered most for is being married to Natalie Wood. We'll how it goes when certain facts are revealed.

 
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August 4 2012, 10:52 AM 

Wagner is just too well liked. He was respected by the people he worked with and he worked long and hard hours to care for his family. That's the kind of man he is. He is not a bum like Davern.

 
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August 4 2012, 11:05 AM 

LOLOL, the fact you need to insult Dennis Davern to build up Wagner speaks volumes.

Many people work long, hard hours but does not mean they should get away with murder. And he was an actor, hardly back breaking work. Most of his life he was broke. Did you read his book? He was always needed to borrow money. I suspect he lived beyond his means, then Natalie died and he was able to live in the manner to which he had become accustomed while married to her. His financial security came when he married her. Even the Charlie's Angel's deal was due to Natalie, it had nothing to do with him.

 
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August 4 2012, 11:31 AM 

Davern is a bum. He was a drunken bum when he worked for the Wagners. Smoking pot, taking pills and drinking lots os alcohol. It is a joke that Rulli makes him out to be the all-seeing, all-knowing person that weekend. He was wasted the entire time. Hehehe.

Wagner worked long hours on those tv shows. Putting in 12 hours and more each day. You have to be a very disciplined person to work like that. He was a professional always and that is why he was so well liked by his peers.

Yes, I'll take Wagner over a bum like Davern any day.

 
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August 4 2012, 1:21 PM 

Wagner has been drinking his entire life so I he could be classified as a drunk.
Did you read his book? Everything he did in his life that could be considered out of character for him, he blamed the booze! That's what alcoholics do.

Of course you take Wagner over Davern. I would expect that from you. We'll come back to this when the case is closed.

Wagner was also quite drunk that weekend and he was the only one who was out of control, he was the only one who was in a drunken rage, screaming and smashing a bottle.

I wonder when Wagner will submit to a polygraph to clear his name. You'd think he'd be anxious to do that. That will never happen. Speaks volumes!


 
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August 4 2012, 2:11 PM 

Like I said, people like Wagner work 12 hour days and longer. They can't drink or indulge because the camera shows it. Good for him that he drank when he had off. Natalie was doing the same thing that weekend because she had been making a movie the last couple of months. That kind of discipline is very hard when you get older.

Davern was a bum from the get-go. He was into booze and pills and pot. He was a very irresponsible bum.

 
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August 4 2012, 2:31 PM 

LMAO.....He drank heavily during H2H. Even Stefanie Powers made reference to it. RJ used to hang around after the day's shoot and drink with guys. He was drinking on the set when he did the Playgirl interview. He was drunk. You don't know much about old RJ. You're snowed. The detectives are not.

I wonder when RJ will make an attempt to clear his name by taking a polygraph. You'd think he would want to. We'll come back to this when the case is closed. Speaks volumes.


 
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August 5 2012, 4:18 AM 

"LMAO.....He drank heavily during H2H"

Nope, you can't drink like that while you are starring on a tv show. Wagner would have been fired.

 
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August 5 2012, 7:07 AM 

LOLOL No wonder you think he's innocent. How naive can you be!

 
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August 5 2012, 10:06 AM 

Wagner is innocent until proven guilty. Davern is a self admitted liar and should be behind bars. Let the games begin!

 
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August 5 2012, 10:56 AM 

Wagner is a proven liar and he admitted that he lied to the police. For someone who is obsessed with this topic, you don't know much about it.

"Let the games begin" ? Get help

 
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August 5 2012, 1:04 PM 

Obviously Davern witnessed nothing.

 
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August 5 2012, 2:13 PM 

Right, like Natalie and RJ would've employed a drunken bum. This fool contradicts his own stupidity. Davern was no bum. Wagner was the bum living off Natalie's saved riches and fame. His dinky little H2H is a spit in the bucket compared to HER fame, even to this day!

 
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August 5 2012, 3:26 PM 



Hahaha. Natalie wouldn't employ a bum but she would marry one? Oh brother. Yes, they would employ a person like Davern because he came cheap. He was there to cook and clean and buy groceries. You're not going to get a high class person to fill that job.
Davern was wasted that entire weekend. There is absolutely no way he could remember what went on. He could not even clean that broken bottle up. That says a lot.

Davern was a bum. Of that there is no doubt. Rasure saw that immediately.

 
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August 5 2012, 3:36 PM 

Wagner was wasted the entire weekend, also. He was the only one who lost control of himself in a violent, drunken rage. Speaks volumes!

Rasure did not see it immediately. There is no mention of it in the police report. There was not one work about Davern's drunkenness by Rasure in the official police report. Rasure "noticed" when Davern drew public attention to his shabby investigation, when Davern drew attention to the fact that Rasure could not see that all 3 men were lying to him, Rasure is the joke of the LASD. I'm sure he's not to happy the case was re-opened. That is a big, black mark on his career and rightfully so.

 
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August 5 2012, 3:42 PM 



Rasure recognized that Davern was a bum. He saw it immediately. He took a disliking to him becuase of it. I would too. He was white trash. Smoking pot, taking pills and drinking all weekend. Yeah, there's a guy whose word is as good as gold. Great that he was there to look after things so carefully. LOL.

 
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August 5 2012, 3:48 PM 

He did not mention his "dislike" until Davern told the world what an incompetent boob Rasure was then he said that he knew Dennis was lying but Dennis' story and Wagner's matched. If Dennis was lying then RJ was lying, also. In spite of that, Rasure closed the case after accepting 2 written statements from both men. What does that say about Rasure?


 
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August 5 2012, 3:58 PM 

Rasure disliked Davern from the moment he met him. He saw what a drunken slob Davern was that morning. I completely understand that. The joke is that avern is made to look like he was so caring and concerned about everything that was going on, yet he was a drunken slob that morning. LOL. The truth always comes out. No matter what these idiot books try to push on the public, the truth always comes out. Davern is a bum, and the public saw that last November. Rasure saw it that Sunday morning in '81.

The sick thing is that Davern and Rulli have been feeding off of Natalie's death for years. It is sickening.

 
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August 5 2012, 4:07 PM 

Rasure did not see very much. He could not tell that 3 man were lying to him. He's incompetent but thankfully, the case was re-opened with more astute homicide detectives looking at it rather than an incompetent like Rasure.

 
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August 5 2012, 4:33 PM 

Rasure is a smart detective. Rasure and Noguchi and Choi got it right the first time. Rasure saw what a low-life, white trash, pill popping, pot smoking drunk Davern was. Oh yeah, Davern was a class act. LOL. Let's all take the word of a man like Davern. Oh brother.

 
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August 5 2012, 4:48 PM 

LMAO at your first sentence. I won't bother reading the rest. If Rasure was a "smart detective" he would have caught on that they were lying to him. He failed at what detectives are supposed to do. He failed to detect the lies told to him.

 
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August 5 2012, 4:56 PM 

why do you even give this nut a response? dennis is bad, RJ is great. he defends that limp wristed faggot who killed his wife.

 
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What is sad is that Davern and Rulli are a pair of parasites that have been feeding off of Natalie's death for 30 years. Magazine articles and tv shows are what was important to them. Making a date with another producer of some tv show is what was important to them. Only imbeciles bought in to their act. The majority of the public saw what low-lifes these two are.

Of course Rasure was going to see that immediately. Any good detective would. Sh** is always obvious. LOL.

 
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August 5 2012, 5:59 PM 

I've got news for you, Rulli and Davern are not going to be the last people to write a book about the murder of Natalie Wood.

Rasure did not see that they were lying to him. He was incompetent. It's quite obvious due to the fact that the case was re-opened. That in itself tells you what the LASD thinks of Rasure's investigation. We'll discuss that when the case is closed.

 
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August 5 2012, 6:05 PM 

I saw a woman on the Today show who was asked about her next book. She said that she plans to write a book about Natalie's death.
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August 5 2012, 6:28 PM 

Rasure was a seasoned detective. He had seen it all. You arm chair detectives sound like such morons. Rasure recognized immediately what a low-life dirtbag Davern was. He knew you couldn't trust a low-life like Davern. He was right.

The fact that Davern has been feeding off of Natalie's death for 30 years, proves that Rasure was right.

Davern and Rulli are low-lifes. Natalie would have had nothing to do with people like them.

 
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August 5 2012, 6:34 PM 

What you are saying is that this seasoned, smart detective knew all 3 of the men on the boat were lying to him but he closed the case, anyway? From that all one can deduce is that he was corrupt. OK! That being the case, it's doubly good that the case has been re-opened and re-examined by honest detectives rather than one who may very well have been on the take. Why else would a seasoned, smart detective close a case even though he knew all three witnesses had lied to him,

 
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August 5 2012, 6:39 PM 

This is how imbeciles think. The detectives that have looked over Natalie's case this last year have not said that Wagner and Walken were lying. The only person who said he was lying was Davern. LOL. You fool!

 
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August 5 2012, 6:57 PM 

The police report confirms that they lied. Robert Wagner admitted that he lied to the police. You don't know much about this case. In your desperate attempt to clean the stench of guilt off Wagner, you make an utter fool out of yourself.

 
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August 5 2012, 7:06 PM 

this nut is trying so hard to make wagner good. wagner slapped her around, dragged her by the wrists and threw her in the water. davern is covering for wagner. natalie walked in and saw wagner doing walken. that was the end of her. my neighbor told me some stories about how wagner used to cruise for it when he lived in palm springs.

 
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August 5 2012, 7:02 PM 

In response to the person who foolishly remarked that I would like for Wagner to be guilty of murder, all I can say is "No Way!"Actually I was a huge fan from the 50's when no one was aware of so many of the hidden lives of those "golden boys". Actually, RJ's bisexuality is noteven my concern, though it had to be Natalie's. Is he guilty or not?? It is a question that will have many guessing long after this case is decided either way. Undetermined is a major hint at his guilt after 30 years of his feeling so comfortable that his story shifted constantly... but truth has a way of leaking out and that has happened regardless of the attacks on Rulli and Davern. Neither of THEM killed Nat & many think RJ manipulated Dennis.Everyone must make up his own mind. Most people I know don't believe RJ. So glad he's off those reverse mort.ads, a great message sent on Nat's birthday....

 
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August 5 2012, 7:31 PM 

Um, I think the case is over guys. Doesn't sound like Natalie died from anything more than being really wasted and falling off of the boat. LMAO.

 
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August 5 2012, 7:40 PM 

"I think the case is over" Of course you do. You are totally out of touch with reality. You don't know that your idol-man admitted that he lied.
Sounds like Wagner was out of control with drunken rage, physically and verbally abused his wife and threw her in the water. LMAO

 
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August 5 2012, 7:45 PM 

Don't be so quick to over look Wagner's sexuality. It may be a part of this because it's a part of him he is desperate to hide. I would be very surprised if the detectives are not well aware of his sexuality.

 
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August 5 2012, 7:55 PM 

Hey, lets all take the story of an employee of a famous celebrity and use it to label Wagner a murderer. We don't need to be concerned that the employee is a white trash, drug abusing alcoholic. Hell, he has a story to be told and we need to hear it. LMAO.

 
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August 5 2012, 8:04 PM 

LMAO, you still think it's only Dennis. I don't need Dennis to tell me that RJ was involved in Natalie's death. RJ convinced me, his lies convinced me, his actions convinced. He reeks of guilt. You'd think he would be anxious to clear his name, volunteer to take a polygraph. NOPE! And there is more and I will come back to discuss it when the case is closed. It sealed my belief that Wagner is guilty in Natalie's death and it has nothing whatsoever to do with Dennis Davern.

 
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August 5 2012, 9:05 PM 

"He reeks of guilt."

Oh, this is too funny. Very intelligent response. Hehehe.

 
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August 6 2012, 7:40 AM 

If that was all I said, I would agree but I said much more. YOU lack an intelligent response so you repeat one sentence from my post. If you want to talk about responses that lack in intelligence your "Hehehe" would certainly fit the bill. It speaks volumes about your intellectual level.

 
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August 6 2012, 10:37 AM 

All these posts back and forth by the same deranged lunatic. You REALLY REALLY think we can't tell when you respond to yourself over and over?

REALLY?

Too funny!

 
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August 6 2012, 11:00 AM 

and here comes another of the troll's personalities. when the idiot runs on empty he calls in his reinforcement personalities. Typical

 
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August 6 2012, 11:49 AM 

You wish. Why don't you conduct some more converations with yourself brainiac?

 
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August 6 2012, 11:50 AM 

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August 6 2012, 11:53 AM 

Your post defines you are the idiot defending Wagner. Stupid fool.

 
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August 6 2012, 10:01 PM 

Dennis may not appeal to your upper-class sensibilities but he PASSED his lie detector test. I would take Dennis any day over that phony Robert Wagner. Expensive attire from Bijan and smooth manners cannot make up for his deceitful ways. Let the "gentleman"offer up his innocence with a lie detector test !!! PS. Can you find any mispellings to help distract from the topic at hand ? Namely, RJ's involvement in Nat's death !!

 
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August 7 2012, 12:57 AM 

" I would take Dennis any day over that phony Robert Wagner."

That says a lot about your character. No surprise there.

 
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August 7 2012, 6:52 AM 

and your blind devotion to Wagner says a lot about your character or lack of it. No surprise there. Say what you will about Dennis but he is not and never has been the center of homicide investigation.

 
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August 7 2012, 9:22 AM 

Wagner is not at the center of any homicide investigation. Wagner was never considered a suspect in Natalie's death. Natalie's death has not been ruled a homicide.

 
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August 7 2012, 9:47 AM 

but it sure has been ruled no accident (BIG smile) which means they think it was a homicide. maybe they can prove it, even if they can't, they know it was no accidental fall causing all those bruises. let's see, what's the most likely way a person acquires bruises of that nature? hmmmmm... let's see.

 
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August 7 2012, 9:48 AM 

And you go on believing that. I know better and so does he. End of story!

 
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No, they said it was changed due to protocol. That's all. Noguchi saw the bruises and knew that they were not made from Natalie being hit. It's over. They still think it was an accident. That says more than anything. It's quite funny how you just can't accept that Wagner had nothing to do with Natalie's death. Not one piece of evidence has been discovered after two police investigations.

They are done. If it was murder they would have changed the DC to homicide. No homicide, just an accident. But, we knew that 30 years ago.

 
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August 7 2012, 10:31 AM 

Oh for stupid's sake, quit posting back and forth to yourself. Never saw anything more ridiculous. Blah blah blah You must be one real lonely dude.

Hey Frank, why don't you leave all my jokes up? Anything's better than one person conversing to himself back and forth listing the pros and cons of her drowning. The case is way too old now and no evidence whatsoever to convict anyone of pushing her in the sea.

 
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August 7 2012, 10:42 AM 

"but it sure has been ruled no accident (BIG smile)"

This is really disturbing. Why would anyone smile about that?

 
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August 7 2012, 10:43 AM 

Stupid, they said that Noguchi did not follow protocol which means that he failed to consider that the bruises could have been the result of something else rather than the drowning. The observation made was that the bruises inconsistent with a drowning. This dunce does not know what "protocol" is but he uses the word constantly. He leaves out the statement that they feel that the bruises were not consistent with a drowning.
It they believe it was an accident, they would not have changed the death certificate and more importantly, there would not be homicide detectives working on this case.
You have no idea what evidence they have. It's hysterical that you think they are going to announce their evidence. Aad at this point only an imbecile would believe that they do not have a suspect. And with this fool, the shoe fits.
They are still in the course of the investigation, collecting the proof that it was a homicide. They can't change a certificate to Homicide until they have gathered the evidence to prove there was a Homicide. Only a dunce like you would make such a dumb comment. LOLOL
They are not "done" as this fool observes.

 
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No, Noguchi saw the bruises (and Choi agreed) and knew that they were not made from any person hitting Natalie. They only changed it because of protocol. If they felt that Natalie was murdered, they would have changed it to homicide. They didn't end-of-story. Natalie died by accident. You ghouls who keep hoping she was murdered need a shrink.

 
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August 7 2012, 11:18 AM 

I think it's been proven that YOU are the one who is in desperate need of a shrink.

The Coroner's office changed the death certificate because Noguchi and his staff made the wrong call, that those bruises were not consistent with a drowning. Natalie's death is no longer certified as an Accident. It's certified as "Undermined" which means that the cause of death is not known other than drowning. They don't believe that she accidentally drowned. The Coroner's office stated that Natalie's death should have been certified as "Undetermined" back in 1981 because the bruising on Natalie's body were not consistent with a drowning. That was the protocol that Noguchi did not follow, that he failed to consider anything beyond an accident.

By the way, Choi did the autopsy, Noguchi signed the papers and lavished in the spotlight. I would not expect a dimwit like you to understand that.

The story is far from over. You have no idea what's going on so you make up stories and twist the words in articles you've read and keep repeating "protocol" like the ******** you. CSL

 
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No. Noguchi saw the superficial bruises. Noguchi was the expert on bruises and wounds. Natalie died by accident. All of this nonsense of promoting a book and a tv show and having the case reopened on the 30th anniversary is nothing more than that, promotion to sell a stupid book. You ghouls are so desperate to have her murdered. It is quite sickening.

 
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August 7 2012, 3:08 PM 

LMAO, the typical response from this Robert Wagner flag waver, living in denial. That is sickening but it is also quite amusing when one knows better.

They re-opened the case because they believe she was murdered and the investigation goes on.

 
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No place to go with zero evidence of a crime. It ain't there. hehehe.

 
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You have no idea what evidence they have. You're so dense that you assume that all they have is what the public is aware of. You keep thinking that way if that makes you feel better. However, if you truly felt that way you would not be here day after day after day. Who are you trying to convince? You could not possibly convince me because I know better. You might want to drop old RJ a line because he knows better, also.

 
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Hehehe. What evidence do they have, lol? Nothing from 30 years ago even suggested that it was anything more than an accident. So, where did this evidence come from? Those riduculous letters submitted last fall, from that book promotion?
If the cops had any leads they would have said so. They have said for the last 8 months that there is no evidence of a crime being committed. It was an accident.
You Wagner haters are like a pack of wolves. It is sickening to read the posts you people write.

 
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Again, you don't have a clue. You are so insane that you think that the public will know about the evidence that have. And as further proof of your idiocy you are thinking that the statements submitted could be evidence. No, I'm not referring to the statements.
You watch too much TV. In a high profile homicide investigation, the police do not call the media to announce the details of the evidence. That would be rather foolish but you are a fool so I would expect that you would believe that.
It has been 8 months and they continue to investigate looking at this case as a homicide. They made PR statements to get rid of the media and it worked and fools like you bought it.
If it's so sickening, why are you here every day reading and responding. Your actions belie your words.

 
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and by the way, the statements were not submitted to promote the book. They book had been out for 2 years at that point. The statements were submitted in an attempt to have the case re-opened and it worked. Someone took a second look and eight months later the case is still being investigated. Homicide detectives don't spend their time investigating "accidents". Homicide detectives investigate homicides.

 
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Of course it was intended to promote the book, that's why they did it (coinciding with the 48 hour special). You can't be for real? People are really stupid. Getting on tv morning shows and having the book mentioned was the reason they did it. Wouldn't matter if the book was out 10 years before. She couldn't get any publicity for the book. The tslk shows weren't interested.

This is a simple case of drowning. There were only 4 people on that boat. The case is over. Natalie died by accident. Noguchi and Rasure did a fine job.

 
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Again, not a clue. The 48hrs special was planned long before the case was re-opened. You're too dense to have noticed but the 48 hrs episode was scheduled for later later in November but when the case was re-opened CBS changed the date. You truly don't know very much about any of this.
Marti is the author of the book, that is how she was introduced. Of course the book was mentioned. You actually believe the County of Los Angeles is going to re-open a 30 year old case to help publicize a book? Of course you do.



Homicide detectives don't investigate accidents.

 
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You dingbat. The 48 hours special was planned for the 30th anniversary of her death. The letters were submitted to coincide with the 48hr special and the 30th--submitted 2 months before. It was all promotion for that stupid book about ducks floating. We knew from the day they found Natalie that she didn't sink to the bottom, and Findstad printed that in her book first. Ridiculous nonsense. Those people are low-lifes who have been feeding off of Natalie's death for all these years. That is disgusting. They are disgusting.

 
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but they had no idea that the case was going to be re-opened when they planned the 48hrs show. I know a great deal more about this than you do. The statements were submitted long before the 48hrs episode was planned. There was quite a wait between the submission of the papers and the re-opening of the case. To say that it was planned is further testimony to your stupidity. I recall that you laughed when the statements were submitted and said that case would not be re-opened and more time went by and you laughed that the case had not been re-opened but you were, once again, wrong, the case was re-opened.

You are saying that the LASD re-opened a 30 year old case to help Marti Rulli promote her book? Do you really believe that? Of course you do.
Why don't you call the LASD and tell them what you think. If you truly feel that they are in partnership with Rulli to promote her book, you should call them, You find it so disgusting, tell them how disgusted you are by their actions. If you find Rulli so disgusting you must find the LASD even more disgusting. Why aren't you stalking them on their website like you did Rulli. What's the matter? Do you big balls shrivel at the thought of dealing with a man? I guess it's much easier to stalk and harass a woman being a big macho man like you.
By the way, Finstad also wrote in her book that RJ is Gay. Why don't you go after her, trash her. She wrote about your RJ doing a man in their house while Natalie was asleep. It must be true because big, powerful RJ did not sue. Why aren't you going after her? Are you stalking her? As a matter of fact she has renewed her interest in the case. You might be seeing her soon.

 
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They didn't need the case to be reopened by the time the show aired, they wanted to show that they submitted the letters in an effort to get the case reopened. That was all promotion to sell the book.

THINK!

 
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That's how you choose to interpret it which is typical of you. That fact is when the statements were submitted, CBS had not even contacted them. CBS contacted them about the 30th anniversary of Natalie's death. At that point, the statements had been submitted for quite some time and the case had not been re-opened. I know quite a bit more about all this than you will ever know.

 
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As Natalie said to Mr Johnson, 'Oh shut up." You are too much of a dingbat to understand. The statements and the tv show were all done in the fall of 2011. That was to coincide with the 30th anniversary of Natalie's death.

Rulli and Davern have been feeding off of Natalie's dead body for 30 years. They are the night of the living dead. They are disgusting people.

 
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The statements were issues months before the 48hrs episode was even thought about. 48hrs planned the show around the 30th Anniv of Natalie's death. Again, believe what you choose. You've proven time and time again that you have no credibility.
You would find anyone who reveals Wagner as "disgusting".

 
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LMAO. Those shows are planned months in advance. I thought you knew that.

 
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I see Poopy's been a busy boy again talking to himself back and forth. So pathetic dude.

 
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Examining the bruises on Natalie's body in view of the information provided by Dennis (after passing a lie detector) concerning the violent argument, threat of "Get off my F---ing Boat!"just might make one ask how she could get 5 small bruises consistent with fingerprints on her wrist area ? How unfair of us all to doubt that prince of a man, Robert Wagner. There is much more to him than meets the eye. Let it soon be revealed....

 
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No, Noguchi and Choi never thought Natalie's bruises were made by another person mishandling her, and they saw the bruises. No, Natalie died by accident. The fact that she never called out for help says a great deal about her not being mishandled by Wagner. I can't imagine (from all accounts of Natalie) that she would have (for one second) allowed Wagner to mistreat her and she not call out to the other two adult men on board, for help. That just would not have happened.

No, Natalie died because she had been drinking much too much, and she also had a narcotic in her bloodstream. Boats and intoxication spell danger.

 
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That's not how the LASD sees it. Soon we will know the exacts of the re-investigation. I look forward to revealing the details, that facts of the new investigation. Not a pretty picture for Mr. Wagner, not pretty at all and it gets uglier as the investigation goes on.

 
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Blah blah blah blah blah

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Same stuff repeated by the same person to himself over and over

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Yes, the same topics repeated over and over yet you're here daily repeating the same BS over and over.

 
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August 9 2012, 10:43 AM 

You mean they are going to change the death certificate again? Looks like they are done. No foul play, just an accident.

 
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Homicide detectives don't investigates accidents. They investigate homicides. So far, it's not a pretty picture for Old RJ, not pretty at all. Soon enough all of the details with be revealed. You see, if the LASD did not suspect foul play, they case would have been closed by now. I know Wagner's little troll boy wants to believe that it was an accident but the fact is that the LASD is in the 8th month of a homicide investigation. If they did not have anything by now, they would have been ordered to close the case. That has not happened. The County Los Angeles cannot afford to finance a homicide investigation in a death that they feel was an accident. The County of Los Angeles cannot afford to send detectives all over the country investigating a death they feel is an accident. Their actions tell us that they feel that Natalie Wood was the victim of foul play. I look forward to revealing one of the facts that places the stamp of guilt all over dear RJ. We'll have to wait. I'm sure his little tribe of fans with come up with some twisted defense but the general public will see that his actions belie his words as they have been doing for decades.

 
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No. That is silly. They don't change the DC to undetermined and then say it's a homicicde, LOL. It doesn't work that way. Silly stuff. Natalie died by accident. Finally accept it and move on.

 
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It does not work the way you think it does. Before they can change the Death Certificate to Homicide they have to prove that the death was a Homicide. You are dense enough to think that they can go in there and change a Death Certificate from Accident to Homicide without proof of a homicide. Are you that simple? Of course you are! That's what they are working on now, they are gathering evidence to charge "someone" with murder.

 
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August 9 2012, 5:53 PM 

Hehehe, lol. Oh, thanks for explaining that. So, you can't go from accident to homicde without passing undetermined, first? Hehehe. You are truly a funny person.

Silly stuff.

 
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All of this is so far above your level of comprehension. It's not worth the time and trouble to explain it to a simpleton like yourself. Believe what you choose.

 
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You have no effen idea what you are talking about, as usual. You say whatever you think makes sense. Unbelievable.

You just can't accept the fact that Natalie died because she was too drunk.

 
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What I say makes perfect sense to anyone except an imbecile like you. Believe what you choose. Thankfully, the detectives in charge of the investigation feel differently than a imbecile Wagbot like yourself.

 
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You are right about 1 thing: Natalie was too drunk. Main reason why she allowed RJ who was also too drunk to act out his jealous rage in the form of physical abuse. Face it, drunkenous would put one to sleep in nightgown and socks, not be kept awake by the "banging"of a rubber dinghy !! LOL Rubber dinghies slippery with water do not cause bruising in the places and in the amount that Natalie was bruised. Her drunkeness did not cause that but most likely did cause her to be unable to reason out what she should have called from the water to the likes of Marilyn Wayne. Instead of a feeble,"Please help me ; I'm drowning"Maybe something like Please help me. I'm Natalie Wood and my husband just tried to kill me!! Call police ASAP !!!"Her drunkeness worked to RJ's favor and still is doing so. He played the grieving widower who did not admit to a fight or to ordering her off his F---ing boat ! No Jonathan Hart is he......Let Natalie have some justice and her reputation as being so drunk she just "fell"off that rather small yacht and was never heard from again. What a joke !!!!

 
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So, she was just having a screaming match with Wagner but the liquor should have made her go right to sleep? Either she was getting ready for bed or she was in a really bad fight with Wagner. If she was being mishandled by Wagner, she never asked Davern for help when he says he knocked on their door. After he left them he heard Natalie's voice again, so we know she was perfectly capable of calling out to Davern. She didn't.

Wayne hears a woman crying out that she's drowning and does nothing?

Listen, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell. LOL.

 
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if wagner had intent there was no guarantee she would live or die right? and to add to her odds of surviving he gave her the dinghy to hold on to or get into right? and she had the down coat on which acted as a life perserver right? sounds like woods odds of surviving were on her side right? and wagner would take that type of risk? LOL

 
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She was ready to retire for the evening until Wagner went into the stateroom, from there came the screaming match as Wagner was in a drunken rage.

You're the only person here who buys bridges in Brooklyn regularly.

Soon enough all will be revealed and it is not a pretty picture for Wagner.

 
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August 10 2012, 6:54 AM 

Doesn't look like it since they changed the DC (due to protocol) to undetermined. Sounds like they are done.
I love how you people love to ignore the metal frame that the "rubber" dinghy had. Not to mention the oars. Or were they rubber as well, lol.

What you seem to fail to recognize is that there is no question about Natalie's state of intoxication. We have the proof. Her BAC was 0.14% at 1PM on Sunday. Choi said it would have been higher Saturday night. Natalie was sloshed and she had a narcotic in her system as well.

I just love how you dingbats keep avoiding the truth. No, let's blame her husband for her death so all responsibility for Natalie's death is taken off of Natalie and put on her husband. That way she remains an angel in our eyes. You people are sickening.Hehehe.

 
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August 10 2012, 7:16 AM 

They are not "done". We'll know when they are "done".

You can make these repetitive statements but nothing will change the fact that homicide detectives are investigating the case. Homicide investigators don't investigate accidents and the length of the investigation speaks volumes.

"We have the proof" LOLOLOL What a fool!

The death certificate was changed because Noguchi failed to consider that the bruises could have been the result of something other than an accident. That is the "protocol" they spoke of, that he failed to consider all possibilities, They made it very clear that they feel that the bruises were inconsistent with an accidental drowning.

These are homicide detectives. They are not looking at her level of intoxication, they are looking at the bruises covering her body which they feel were not the result of an accidental drowning and it's been certified as such. Those bruises were the reason the death certificate was changed. They are also looking at the lies Wagner has told and changes he has made in his story. There are several other aspects of this case that keep them going with this investigation. No doubt that you would find the investigating detectives sickening as well. They care about your feelings as little as we do.


 
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Theys is done.
aThey have repeatedly said it is not foul play it was an accident. They would not change the DC to undetermined if they thought homicide. Think.
They also said back in Jan. that they would continue to look at how she might have fallen into the water. They told us back in Jan. Now, they have changed the DC. That's it. No foul play, just an accident. They made that clear when they gave a follow-up report to TMZ after TMZs initial report about the changing of the DC..
Don't get into such a state over the truth. Hehehe.

 
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You keep thinking that they are done. I know better and so does Robert Wagner.


 
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"Noguchi did not follow protocol by accounting for ALL possibilities for the bruises -- possibilities which could include foul play, but could just as easily come down to Wood's hitting the side of the boat or the dinghy as she fell in the water.

We're told protocol all along should have been to call Wood's death "undetermined."

Our sources say the investigation is still officially "active" but in fact it's been at a dead end and detectives have unearthed no new evidence to lead them to a conclusion there was foul play. We're told there is "certainly no evidence" leading detectives to a suspect."


Yeah, it really sounds like Wagner must be worried.

It's over. It was an accident.

 
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LMAO, oh, make no mistake about fool, he is worried. Looking forward to revealing just how worried he is. Speaks volumes!

 
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August 10 2012, 6:06 PM 

I understand that you can't accept it. But hey, that's the way it stands. You're going to have to come up with something (anything) that shows Wagner was involved. Tell you what, I won't be holding my breath, lol.

 
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You are the one who is unable to accept the reality of it.
I don't have to come up with anything. The detectives are working on that. You have no idea what is going on. You go on and believe the statements that were fed to the media so they would back off. In the meantime the investigation goes on and it's not a pretty picture for RJ,

 
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"I don't have to come up with anything. The detectives are working on that. You have no idea what is going on. You go on and believe the statements that were fed to the media so they would back off. In the meantime the investigation goes on and it's not a pretty picture for RJ,"



Hehehe. Psycho, The LACSD has spoken and they said it is not foul play. They have no suspect in mind. You just can't accept that. That is really sick, and sickening. You are foaming at the mouth because you want Wagner guilty. It ain't happening. LOL.

 
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August 10 2012, 7:32 PM 

Why do you keep saying we want RJ to be guilty ?? THAT is sick of you and more than that , inaccurate !! What we want is for the truth to come out and clear up RJ's various accounts of what happened that night which have caused suspicion."" Undetermined ""means a lot can happen yet and it will be awhile before anything doesso let old RJ stew in his own juices because he was certainly guilty of gross negligence and maybe more. Imagine wanting a "low-key"search and not even turning on lights or using his under-water radar system. Image meant more to him than his beloved wife, Oh , I forgot, they had a terrible argument as a culmination of a horrible weekend and she was threatening divorce, maybe that helped make up his mind to not do a real search ASAP !!!

 
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August 10 2012, 8:15 PM 

The Wagner loving troll keeps quoting those PR statements that were fed to the media to stop the phone calls. Of course he will believe what they put out to the media. The fact is some of us know better and Robert Wagner is included in that group.

 
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August 10 2012, 8:18 PM 

You phoney baloney. You know they were all drunk. Drunk to the gills, including Davern. Davern has given multiple accounts. In the last year he told the police he lied in his original statements. Gee, an employee of a celebrity trying to pin a death on the celebrity, after the employee wrote a book. Big shocker. How stupid can you be? Wagner, like Davern, was too drunk to remember exact details.

You have no interest in the truth. You are concerned with making Wagner guilty.

 
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Wagner has given multiple accounts and that is what is being examined by the detectives, his lies and contradictions. There is so much more to this that will be revealed. Once again. it's not real pretty for Wagner.
I don't try to make him look guilty. He has done a smashing job on his own. Soon enough it will be revealed. Dennis did not do as much pinning as Wagner has done to himself. Once again, soon enough.


You are the person who has no interest in the truth, you are concerned with making Wagner look innocent and pathetically so, may I add.

 
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". Image meant more to him than his beloved wife,"

Right out of that stupid book, This is why the publishing industry has to change. These low-lifes (like Davern and Rulli) can write anything they want because Davern was on board. Then you have idiots like this woman who believe everything that was written.


The power of the written word--and the publishing industry knows this. They use it to their advantage to sell books.

 
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No, you are the low life. You can't stand it that an honest book was written that not only proved to be credible enough for the LACSD to reopen a 30 year old closed case that everyone said would be impossible, but also got the cause of death bumped off the accidental list. Before Rulli, the law was accepting Natalie's bruises and Noguchi stupid theories. She is the one who brought it to their attention that those bruises couldn't have happened the way Noguchi claimed. You think they haven't reconstructed her tests and found them valid? You are the fool. You are the low life for condemning a woman who dedicated hersel to truth and justice for a tragic death. You can tell yourself all you want that Rulli is not involved with this investigation but anyone in the know is aware that it was her efforts that made this happen. You really think the LACSD hasn't talked to Rulli and or has no regard for her? You're a fool who can't handle the truth. Nothing else, and that's the definition of a low life.

 
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August 11 2012, 12:22 AM 

"". Image meant more to him than his beloved wife,""


Right out of the book. You phoney baloney. You are exactly the type of audience that book was meant to fool--an Enquirewr reader. LOL.

You were foaming at the mouth to believe every idiotic word in that stupid book, and you sure did.

Give an idiot what it wants to hear and you've got a fan for life. The power of the written word.


 
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August 11 2012, 7:36 AM 

Dimwit, there were 2 people posting last night who feel that old Wagner is as guilty as the day is long. I did not need a book to tell me that Wagner is involved in Natalie's death, he convinced me more than any book could, his actions, his lies and that continues to occur in 2012. It's not pretty for old RJ.

 
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August 11 2012, 7:51 AM 

wagner davern walken have not been questioned by police that speaks volumes.

 
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August 11 2012, 7:58 AM 

"Give an idiot what it wants to hear and you've got a fan for life. The power of the written word."

That's you with your constant posting of PR statements issues by the LASD in order to keep the press away.

Of course you don't like GNGS, old Wagner's fans hate any book that reveals him for what he is. Thankfully, the investigators on the case are not blinded by Wagner's fake smile or his Cary Grant wanna be charm.

"Image meant more to him than his beloved wife" "Right out of the book" Again, we don't need a book to tell us that. His actions did that for us.

 
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A drunken, high on pot and pills, deckkhand (a boatbum) tells you these things and you fall for them hook, line and sinker. The publishing industry knows just how powerful the written word can read to a gullible audience. As long as they aren't breaking any laws, they don't care.

These people are low-lifes who have fed off of Natalie's dead body for 30 years. Shame on Davern and Rulli.

 
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August 11 2012, 11:56 AM 

wagner davern walken have not been questioned by the police that speaks volumes

 
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August 11 2012, 11:59 AM 

gngs THE BOOK is FICTION that speaks volumes for the people who believe in it

 
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August 11 2012, 12:08 PM 

Dennis Davern is not a boatbum he was boat captain to the stars until he let one of his passengers drown then he became boat captain to the kiddie pool

 
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August 11 2012, 2:27 PM 

We will come back to this when the investigation is over.

This Wagner loving troll has no idea who was questioned and who was not questioned. I look forward to discussing the details of this topic when the investigation is over. It does SPEAK VOLUMES!

 
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August 11 2012, 2:40 PM 

wagner davern walken have not been questioned by the police

 
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August 11 2012, 2:46 PM 

I look forward to discussing..... sure you will and you will customize the outcome against wagner as you have done all along and as your leader does it's called conning

 
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August 11 2012, 2:59 PM 

I don't "customize" my posts. Look in the mirror, troll boy. I don't have to customize any of what I will be discussing. I have never "customized" any of what I have posted.

Looking for someone adept at the art of the con? Look at Wagner, read his book of lies. Thank Goodness the detectives are astute enough to see through him as they investigate.

Yes, I do look forward to discussing the investigation. You have no idea, not a clue, but what else is new?

 
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August 11 2012, 4:08 PM 

clue? you have no clue but you can keep conning people into thinking that you do, it's what you all do best. I look forward........rotflmao

 
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August 11 2012, 5:31 PM 

Ask me if I care that a toad like you does not believe what I post? And yes, I look forward to discussing the details.

 
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August 11 2012, 6:46 PM 

It was at least 28 years BEFORE Davern's book that I began to doubt what RJ said about the night Natalie died. It began with the "went to kiss her good night"explanation of how he found her missing. Of course everyone remembers the rumors of his involvement with Stephanie Powers and Nat's close ties with Chris Walken on the set of "Brainstorm". It was said she spent lunch breaks with him in his trailer and RJ made a visit to NC to pay her a visit to squelch those rumors. Of course, at first, I bought into the grieving widower role he played but within months (2),he was dating Jill St John. Marilyn Wayne came out right away with her story about those calls approx.11:30 PM >Who else ccould it have been but Natalie?? Consider the placement of those 2 boats. RJ said he heard nothing but that water is a great conduit. Yes , it WAS and he knew where she was and answered her. He was the voice saying we're coming to get you. Dennis says he "wanted to teach her a lesson"Maybe he wanted even MORE than that.... which he got . He will also get ultimate judgement, one way or the other!!

 
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August 12 2012, 6:20 AM 

Gossip! I knew it. Go back to the Enquirer. They live off of people like you, lol.

 
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August 12 2012, 7:27 AM 

"Dennis says he wanted to teach her a lesson" that means Dennis knew she was in the water and did nothing right? thats what you claim

 
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August 12 2012, 8:02 AM 

And he doesn't say that is what happened in the book. He has changed his story numerous times.

In that story, he claims he stood there while Wagner taught Natalie a lesson, and he did nothing. In the book, he says that he came upon a disheveled looking Wagner who told him Natalie was missing. He never mentions seeing Natalie in the water.

This is a classic case of a celebrity employee exploiting a tragedy that happened while he was on duty. He isn't the first to pull this charade, and he won't be the last.


 
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August 12 2012, 8:48 AM 

Davern remembers in detail 30 years ago how mant pimples Natalie had on her face but he does not know how she got in the water when he was lurking all over that sardine can boat. Amazing! he knows everything but how she got in the water but then admits "he was there". LOL what a con

 
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August 12 2012, 8:51 AM 

Dennis never said he stood there while Wagner taught Natalie a lesson. Lana Wood said that Dennis told her that story over the phone. Dennis has always denied it and passed a polygraph on that question. This is an example of the troll customizing his posts.

Dennis never changed his story. Robert Wagner, on the other hand, has changed his story and contradicted himself. I'm SURE this is not lost on the investigators.

As for what this is a classic case of, I look forward to revealing that when the case is closed. It will be made crystal clear who is credible and who is not and why.


 
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August 12 2012, 9:02 AM 

Natalie had no "pimples"on her face but a very interesting abrasion in an upward-direction that even at the time puzzled investigators. So much information has come out that throws new light on some of those old mysteries. Let's study the old photoes and autopsy report more closely. She was physically battered and not by the ocean or she would not have been found floating upright with her socks still on !! RJ was right there / let him take a lie detector test answering if he ever struck her that night !! No way woulod he ever agree to that. Wonder why !!

 
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August 12 2012, 9:46 AM 

Rulli wrote that Dennis could have told that to Lana in one of his drunken, nightly phone calls. She mentions that in her book. Another detail she had to clean up, like Davern's reputation.

Those two are the biggest low-lifes you will ever run up against.

They have done nothing less than exploit the unfortunate, accidental death of Natalie Wood. They are disgusting.

 
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August 12 2012, 9:58 AM 



Let's not forget the bruises he says that he saw on Natalie's body even though Natalie was covered by a blanket.

Rulli didn't want Davern to "withold his deepedt, darkest secrets." LOL.

Isn't it time to meet with another producer or publisher yet? I think one of the two wants to buy a new car, lol.

 
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August 12 2012, 10:27 AM 

That was a statement made a person who has proven to bee a less than credible source. Roger Smith's memory is off or he is embellishing. He stated that he found the dinghy and brought it to shore. That is not true. Bill Coleman found the dinghy and used it in the search. With that, he is not credible. Also Dennis passed a polygraph on seeing those bruises. What counts is what the detectives believe. We will come back to this when the case is closed.

Marti observed that Lana could have misunderstood Dennis. Dennis passed a polygraph on that question.

This Wagner loving troll can sing his praises all day long but it does not matter what he thinks. What matters is what the detectives think and why. I am looking forward to coming back to this when the case is closed, discussing what they felt and why.

 
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August 12 2012, 10:42 AM 

Roger Smith, the man who prepared Natalie's body for viewing is not credible? He contributed a letter to the LACSD, but he says that he covered Natalie's body with a blanket (which is standard procedure for preparing a body for viewing) and he is not credible?

Yes, Smith is more than credible. What backs that up is Rulli's pathetic explanations of how Davern could have seen her superficial bruises. Those were completely different from what she wrote in that book of lies. That was hysterical and that proved Smith correct.

Rulli should have kept her big, fat mouth shut. She's the one who undid that stupid story.


Rulli and Davern are two people who have fed off of this story for 30 years. They have no shame. The truth always wins out in the end. Shame on them.

 
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August 12 2012, 12:31 PM 

Obviously his memory is extremely fuzzy. His belief, however is that Wagner murdered Natalie and tried to cover it up, that Wagner deliberately delayed the search so that his wife would die, so that a rescue would have been impossible. He worked with the author of that new book about Wagner murdering Natalie. It's a fictional portrayal but it speaks volumes about what Smith believes to have happened. In that book the author depicted Wagner as man who beat his wife and murdered her. The author used Wagner's name, made reference to Wagner's thirst for men. But it's fiction, right? LOLOL As usual there is not a word from Wagner about that book. Once again, his silence speaks volumes.

Oh yes, I'm sure you wish Rulli had kept her mouth shut. Wagner felt the same way, I'm sure. The revelation of what really happened is Wagner's worst nightmare and re-opening of the case in the topping on the cake.

The fact is the bruises were there. I'm SURE the detectives are wondering how he could have possibly missed them. Smith was the only person who did not see them. Speaks volumes.

Oh yes, the truth will prevail. When the case is closed the truth will prevail.

 
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August 12 2012, 1:08 PM 

He doesn't believe Natalie was murdered and he let us know that Rulli and Davern lied when they said Davern saw Natalie's bruises.

Rulli was sorry she opened her mouth trying to cover-up the fact that Davern could not have seen those bruises. That was all a lie, just like 90% of that book. All a lie so they could profit off of Natalie's accident.

Those two deceived the public by manipulating the facts and leaving an impression that Wagner had done soemthing to Natalie. They did that without directly showing any evidence. That was a trick. It was fortunate that Smith let people know they were lying about Davern seeing Natalie's bruises. It is obvious Smith wanted the public to know that.

Luckily, we have good detectives in LA who saw through their lies. Oh, let's not forget Wayne, hehehe. Going to bed after a woman calls out that's she's drowning? Wait, I bet she called and nobody showed up, so she went to bed? Hehehe. You can't make this stuff up folks.

What money makes people do.

 
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August 12 2012, 1:50 PM 

There you go again, customizing your posts. He most certainly does believe there was foul play and he believes that his efforts to bring forth a further investigation back in 1981 cost him his job. He was throw off the island, he had to move his family off the island and he claimed it was due to the fact that he spoke out about Natalie's death being foul play. You can toss your BS all day long but people who know better, know better than to believe you. He said it all in the statement he submitted to the LASD.

Rulli is not sorry about it. She knew what he was going say. Why would she be sorry about it? He told the LASD that he felt that Wagner failed to call for a search in a timely manner because he wanted to make sure his wife would not be rescued.

By the way, there was no blanket. There was a plastic sheet. Another inconsistency in Smith's statement.

Of course you are going to say that Dennis lied. You're a Wagbot who twists and turns the facts to favor Wagner. You do it in most of your posts.

As for the bruises, Smith was the only person who did not see them. I'm SURE, SURE that thought occurred to the detectives. They are aware that Dennis passed a polygraph in reference to those bruises.

The bruises are FRONT AND CENTER in the investigation as they should have been the first time. It was those bruises that Smith did not see that made the Coroner change the death certificate. Also FRONT AND CENTER are the lies Robert Wagner told. This Wagbot conveniently forgets about that but to the investigating detectives those lies are huge. Dennis has taken a polygraph and has proven himself to be telling the truth. Robert Wagner has proven himself to be a liar and he has made no attempt whatsoever to say that Dennis lied. Robert Wagner had his chance to call Dennis a liar in his memoir. Wagner went after others who crossed him when he wrote his book but he said nothing negative about Dennis. The memoir would have been the perfect time and place for Wagner to tell the public what an evil, drunken liar Dennis Davern was. Dennis Davern is the person who publicly revealed all of the lies Wagner told years before. Rather than tell his devoted fans what a liar Dennis was, he tap danced around Dennis. Why? Because Wagner knows that Dennis knows the truth. Dennis had been quiet in the years before Wagner's book. Wagner did not want to alienate Dennis so he played it safe. The fact that Wagner did not call Dennis a liar or speak negatively about him at all is testimony to the fact that Wagner knows Dennis told the truth. All of Wagner's fanbots call Dennis a liar but Wagner never has. That SPEAKS VOLUMES!

Oh yes we do have good detectives in L.A. They know who is lying and who is telling the truth as a matter of fact they are certain of it and as a result the investigation goes on in their efforts to build their case.

 
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August 12 2012, 2:16 PM 

You dingbat! Smith does not believe Wagner murdered Natalie. Your Enquirer mentality is so gullible to this kind of nonsense.

Rulli blew it and blew it big time when she rushed to cover-up the fact that Davern could not have seen Natalie's bruises. Of course he would not be able to see them. Of course she would be covered with a blanket. The best part was that none of Rulli's ridiculous explanations as to how Davern saw bruises on Natalie's body, matched what she wrote in her stupid book of lies.

These people didn't get away with their BS story. The public and the detectives saw through their lies.


 
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August 12 2012, 2:20 PM 

The real Rulli is the one who didn't know she was being filmed and made the comment that they would make billions. That's what that book of lies was written for. It had nothing to do with justice for Natalie.

And the sad thing is that low-lifes like them can get away with it because Davern was on the boat that night. They can exploit that for the rest of their lives. They've been doing it for 30 years and they don't look like they will give it up. Cash Cow comes to mind.

 
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August 12 2012, 3:14 PM 

I read his statement. I read what he told Suzanne Finstad. He claims he was fired because voiced his feeling about Natalie's death being due to foul play. He's made it very clear that he has never felt that Natalie's death was accidental. Of course that's not clear to you because it's not what you want to see so you lie.

Natalie was not covered with a blanket. She was covered with a plastic sheet. That fact is documented. What is documented contradicts Smith's statement on every level. The detectives can see that.

Dennis passed a polygraph on the question about the bruises.

The detectives are investigating the case. There is one person who did not get away with his BS story and that person is Robert Wagner.

LMAO Gullible is what you are. As for the Enquirer mentality. That's you! You post links to tabloid websites. Speaks volumes. I state facts because I'm aware of the facts of the case. I don't have to rely on tabloid websites for updates as you obviously do.


 
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August 12 2012, 3:34 PM 

Smith referred to the original investigation as a "cover-up". He said "No one wanted to question the great Robert Wagner." Speaks volumes!

 
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August 12 2012, 3:41 PM 

Smith never said he thought Wagner killed Natalie, as you have written. It was not Wagner's responsibility to call Smith. That was the Harbor Patrol's responsibility.

This is how the dimwits keep trying to twist the facts to make Wagner look like he did something wrong.

You've got a drunken, pot smoking, pill popping liar saying that he saw Natalie's bruises when she was covered with a blanket.

Quote from Roger Smith: "Taking a deep breath, then continuing, “I closed her eyes which was very easy to do. When I looked at her she did not look like she had been deceased that long, as I had seen before in drowning victims. We covered her up with a disposable blanket...I pulled down the blanket from her face and he said yes that is her. I gave him her jewelry and he left. He did not see any other part of her and I always wondered why he said he did in the book?"

I'll tell you why Roger, because those two are low-lifes trying to make a buck off of Natalie's death. A book that makes Wagner out to be a murderer will sell so much better than one that reveals only that she died by accident.

 
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August 12 2012, 4:09 PM 

Roger Smith said that he felt the investigation was cover up. How clear does it have to made to Wagner's fans?

I'm aware of what Smith said about Davern. There was no blanket. There was a plastic sheet. The official documents do not jive with Smith's statements. Smith did not find the dinghy, Bill Coleman and Don Whiting did. The reason the dinghy was in disarray when Smith saw it, was due to the fact that it was used in the search. Smith is totally off on his memory of the facts.

The Harbor Patrol office was closed 1:30AM The Harbor Patrol did not take part in the search. Robert Wagner allegedly noticed that Natalie was missing at midnight. He made a random radio call at 1:30, saying that someone was missing from a boat. He asked the original search crew to keep the search "low key". I husband who was concerned about his missing wife would have instructed them to do whatever they had to so to find his wife. Not Wagner. his only instruction was to keep the search low key. As time passed the crew strongly suggested that the Coast Guard be called. Wagner said no and they followed his instruction. Finally at approx. 4AM Wagner agreed to a call to the Coast Guard. He allegedly discovered her missing at midnight. The Coast Guard was not called until 4AM. After Wagner noted that she was gone he searched one end of the boat, asked Dennis to search the other which took about 10 minutes at most. His next step was to open a bottle of Scotch and have a few drinks. This frantic, worried husband sat for almost 2 hours and drank while his wife who was petrified of water and not a good swimmer and was dressed in a night gown was missing from a boat in pitch black of night. And people wonder why this case was re-opened!?

Now this Wagbot is trying to blame the Harbor Patrol who were never alerted that Natalie was missing. Speaks volumes of the lengths this toad will go to, to clean the stench of guilt off Wagner.

The book did not make Wagner out to be a murderer, his lies did, his actions did and they continue to.

The detectives know that Natalie's death was not an accident and the investigation goes on.

 
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August 12 2012, 5:02 PM 

You are as big a liar and as creepy as Davern and Rulli. You wrote that Smith believes Wagner murdered Natalie. Where did Smith say that? Show all of us.

Wagner had no say in whether or not the CG got called, LOL. You are just too ridiculous. You have no idea how these things work. Wagner may have asked that it be kept low key (because the dinghy was missing as well, nd Wagner thought he was protecting Natalie) but calling the CG (and the lifeguards) was not up to Wagner. That was up to the HP.

Again (for this MORON, WAGNER HAD NO SAY IN CALLING THE CG. THAT WAS NOT WAGNER'S DECISION. WAGNER WAS NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF THE HP.The HP would not need Wagner's ok to search for a missing person. Once Wagner called and reported Natalie missing, it is out of his hands. This is important for people to understand. Wagner had no say in it. There are LAWS that the HP has to follow.

This idiot is going by that ridiculous book.

That's the Enquiring mind. God help us.

 
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August 12 2012, 5:02 PM 

Excellent last posting....the investigation continues til Wagner's lies unravel around him, trapping him like the years of inconsistent stories have already done. As for the National Enquirer that the Wagbots like to make such fun of.....it was the Enquirer that showed a picture of OJ in those "" ugly-*** shoes"" he said he would never wear. (Those shoes whose soles made the tracks near Nicole's body !) Then of course, they found lying John Edwards was concealing his pregnant mistress in NC at least 8 months before everyone else was on to that story. Oh yes, good old Johnny is a smooth-talking , good-looking fellow like RJ but a lot of good that did him once the truth came out. Even the latest stories of Tom-Kat have not resulted in any major lawsuits against them so don't come down on the National Enquirer. Haven't seen RJ suing anybody either > Instead of killing the messenger, let's just get to the bottom of what happened that night and it was much more than just an accident !!!

 
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August 12 2012, 5:41 PM 

Gossip Queen! So typical of the type of mind that believes in a drunken deckhand's tall tale. The Enquierer is the Bible to these people.

Two investigations into Natalie's death and twice the the detectives have said there was no foul play. Just an accident.

I'm glad you liked my post, LOL.

Davern, tell us again how you saw Natalie's bruises through a blanket? LOL. He turned as he was leaving and he was counting the bruises. However, he could NOT have been doing that because there was a blanket over Natalie's body. Davern could not have seen any bruising on Natalie's body. Hehehe.

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

 
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August 12 2012, 5:45 PM 

What it comes down to is the fact that these freaks can't accept the fact that Wagner had nothing to do with Natalie's death. They will do anything and say anyhting to make it appear that Natalie wasn't responsible for her own death. They try to make people feel guilty for even suggesting that Natalie was drunk. They refuse to accept this fact.

They are the ghouls who will eat you alive. They are freaks. Like Rulli and Davern, they are the night of the living dead.

 
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August 12 2012, 6:04 PM 

Yes. What a tangled web Rj has woven for himself... He definitely wanted to deceive with the conflicting stories of the rough seas and also the water being smooth as glass.... Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion as to the inocence of guilt of old RJ. However there is a powerful lot of circumstantial evidence. Why doesn't he just clear this up with a polygraph? Would he be AFRAID he might have a few problems there? Don't put your faith in false gods /trust in the TRUTH !

 
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August 12 2012, 6:06 PM 

Now this troll-extraordinare is telling who the detectives interviewed. LMFAO......Guess what fool/troll? Sounds like you are calling the LACSD detectives a dumb audience for a book too? They believe Goodby Natalie...they believe it prefectly fine. That's why the death cause was changed, and that's why this moves forward. Stay in the dark where you belong......it's Rulli with a book out there that helped the LACSD to understand Natalie's murder.....no one gives a rats azz what you believe, a effin lowlife with no book and nothing better to do than make up what you wish was true because ya get stiff for an old decrept wanna be movie actor. Why dontcha stop bothering us in the know? Go crawl back under the woodwork with the other scavengers lookin for a piece of crumb because ya ain't got nothin but fantasies for a killer.

 
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August 12 2012, 6:31 PM 

Sorry ghouls, but the LACSD found NO FOUL PLAY. They do not consider Natalie to have been murdered. They DO NOT consider Wagner involved in any way.

That just eats you alive, LOL. The night of the living dead ghouls can't take the fact that the LACSD does not think Natalie was murdered.

Oh, Davern says he saw all of Natalie's bruises. He said he was counting them as he looked at her body. Guess what, turns out Davern could NOT have seen any bruises on Natalie's body because Natalie's body was covered with a blanket. Oops, Davern was lying. Big surprise there.

"However there is a powerful lot of circumstantial evidence." Oh, God! What a brain. Tell us more oh great one, hehehe.

It's good to learn that the LACSD found no evidence of foul play.

 
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August 13 2012, 6:09 AM 

gngs is fiction that speaks volumes of the people who believe in it

 
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Dmiwit, there is more than one person posting who feels that Wagner murdered Natalie. I was not the person who sang the praises of the Enquirer
nor am I the person who posts links to tabloid websites, that would be you.

The LASD is still investigating the case. The investigation is open and active. Natalie's death is no longer considered an accident due to the fact that the bruises that covered her body were inconsistent with an accidental drowning.

Smith said that the investigation into Natalie's death was a "cover up". Common sense would tell you that if Roger Smith submitted a statement asking for the case to be re-opened, that he felt that there was foul play in Natalie's death. I know common sense is lacking in the Wagbot but it could not be more obvious.

The original search crew was described by Roger Smith as "shore boat drivers". The people who answered Wagner's call were not a professional search crew. They were people who worked on the island in various capacities. There were shore boat operators, cooks, deck hands. That was the "search crew" who Wagner had looking for his wife. The dimwit posted that it was not Wagner's responsibility to call the Coast Guard. Of course that would be what this Wagbot would say as he would say anything to dust the dirt off Wagner. The Harbor Patrol office was closed. Wagner did a radio call. Midway through the original search it was suggested that they call the Coast Guard. Wagner said no. Wagner said no because he knew that if the Coast Guard was called the search would have become public news. That's why Prince Wagner did not want the Coast Guard involved. Roger Smith felt that the Coast Guard should have been called immediately rather than have shore boat operators and cooks out there looking for Natalie. Robert Wagner put off that call to the CG at long as he could. Roger Smith feels that Wagner's hesitance to call the Coast Guard cost Natalie her life. Should the original search crew have listened to a drunken Robert Wagner's objections to calling the Coast Guard? Of course not but they did which gives an indication of just how professional that search crew was. Not very professional at all. They let Wagner call the shots. Also noticed by the shore boat operators who searched for Natalie was that Wagner never told them how out of character it was for Natalie to take off in a dinghy at night, how petrified she was of dark water, what a weak swimmer she was and that she was wearing a nightgown. He did not mention any of this. His only instruction was that the search be kept low key. Low key was his priority, finding Natalie alive was secondary. Throughout the search Wagner contradicted himself. This was noted by the search crew. When he made the original call he said that Natalie might have gone to the bar. Later on he said that he could not think of a reason she would go to shore and that she was wearing a nightgown. A total contradiction!

This dimwit is so obsessed with hatred for Rulli and Davern and GNGS that he links any information that sheds a bad light on Wagner to them. Pathetic! I did not acquire of the above info from GNGS. This info has been out there for years. This Wagbot would prefer that we read Wagner's book of lies in which he denies being drunk. He claimed he was "tipsy". There is Wagner again, guarding his image and lying to do it. It's recorded in the official documents that Wagner was extremely intoxicated, that he continued to drink while the first search was going on, that he could barely stand, that his voice was slurred on the radio call but Wagner erases all of that and tells his readers that he was "tipsy". As I have said in the past, if Wagner lies about the little things to protect his image, how can we expect the truth about the big things? And the investigation goes on and all will be revealed. In the meantime, ignore the posts by the Wagbot. His posts are not worth your time or mine. He twists everything in Wagner's favor even if he has to lie to do it. He's much like his idol in that way.




 
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Dimwit, there is more than one person here telling you that you are a dimwit.

AGAIN, Doug oudin was responsible for coordinating the search for Natalie. Robert Wagner had no say in it. Doug Oudin was on duty the night Natalie died and he was the one who had sole responsibility for calling the CG.

If Oudin had left it up to a drunken Wagner to search for his wife, Oudin would have been fired. To think that Wagner would make those decisions is absurd. To think that Oudin would let a drunken Wagner make those decisions is beyond absurd.

This dingbat, dimwit knows nothing about what she is talking about. All she wants to do is to try and make Wagner look responsible.

The LACSD has spoken and said Natalie died by accident and there is no evidence to show Wagner had anything to do with it.

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IF it's a homicide investigation now, WTF don't Barney and company polygraph the 3 men and quickly before the one in his 80's kicks the bucket? WTF weren't the 3 musketeers interviewed first thing?
I don't know of any murder investigation or any kind for that matter, where talking to the people still alive that were THERE isn't conducted promptly.

I wonder how many donut boxes they've gone through in 8 mos?

 
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Maybe because it isn't a homicide investigation. Where did you get that idea? They have said it was an accident. There is nothing left to investigate since they finished their investigation months ago. Gee, they are the detectives, do you think maybe they know more about the case than you idiots?

 
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This troll does not have a clue about any of this. Oudin told his story to the police and it is in the police report. He was not "fired". The only person who was fired was Roger Smith and that was because he insisted that there be a further investigation. Smith referred to the original investigation as a "cover up". "Fired" , stupid fool.

"Doug Oudin was responsible for coordinating the search" That statement by this dimwit is testimony to how little he knows about this or he is simply lying, customizing his posts. Oudin was not called into the search until 2:30am. It was Don Whiting, an employee of Doug's Harbor Reef who answered Wagner's drunken radio call which was made at 1:30am and began the search along with Paul Wintler who was a camp grounds maintenance employee. It was Whiting who told by Wagner that he wanted to keep the search low key. These were the men Wagner entrusted with his wife's life. The next person brought into the search was Bill Coleman who was a cook at Doug's. It was not until 2:30am that they notified local harbormaster Doug Oudin and it was NOT Robert Wagner who called him. When Oudin arrived on the Splendour to talk to RJ, he found RJ and Dennis, in Oudin's words "buddies sitting around on a boat drinking". Oudin said that RJ was so intoxicated he call barely form a sentence. It was to Oudin that RJ contradicted his statement that he thought Natalie had gone to the bar. He told Oudin that there would have been no reason for Natalie to leave the Splendour. He did not mention the bar to Oudin. This was the point at which RJ asked Oudin not to call the Coast Guard. Interestedly, Wagner told Whiting that Natalie may have gone to the bar but he told Oudin that it was "out of character" for Natalie to take the dinghy out at night. Why didn't he mention this to Whiting when he made the radio call? It was at 2:45 that Oudin expanded the search. RJ knew that Oudin was the harbormaster. Why didn't he call him directly? Why didn't he immediately tell Whiting to call Oudin? A while later Oudin went back to the Splendour and told RJ that they had no choice but to call the Coast Guard. Maybe that is the reason why RJ did not call the harbormaster, because he knew that he would not be able to control him as well as he was able to control the maintenance man, the cook and restaurant host. Oudin called the Coast Guard at approx. 3:45am. Wagner allowed 4 hours to pass before he agreed to call the Coast Guard for full scale search. He was content to have a cook, a maintenance man and a restaurant host search for his wife in the shark infested waters of the Pacific Ocean. When Whiting suggested the call to the CG, Wagner said no. When Oudin got involved in the search, Wagner told him to keep the search low key. Obviously, Wagner's priority was to keep the Coast Guard out of the search for his wife for as long as he could. Speaks volumes!

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I think that's obvious.

The LASD and LA County Coroner's office have spoken and the case was re-opened and the death certificate was changed to "Undetermined" due to the fact that the bruising on Natalie's body was inconsistent with an accident. This dimwit keeps saying that the case is closed because he wants the case to be closed. The fact is the case is still being investigated by cold case homicide investigators. The accidental drowning ruling was voided and Natalie's death has been ruled as "Undetermined".

 
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Yeah yeah yeah sang The Beatles, but why haven't the 3 been polygraphed by now? No one seems to know the answer to that pertinent question. They haven't and that alone makes the LASCD office look like morons.

 
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How do you know who has been polygraphed and who has not? You don't, obviously. You can use any name you choose but the fact that you believe it would be made public if any of the three men were polygraphed defines who you are. This is homicide investigation, the LASD is not going to call TMZ and tell them who took polygraphs. Add to that the fact that the case is on security hold at the request of the LASD.

 
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The LASCD have not polygraphed Wagner, Walken or Davern.

 
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You have no way of knowing that but we will come back to this. In the meantime, you keep telling yourself that no one has been polygraphed.

 
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Roger Smith was fired because he was a pain in the a**. Look at the people who submitted letters to the LACSD: Wayne, Lana Wood, Rulli, Davern, I think this speaks for itself. A big bunch of losers.

Oudin was on duty the night of Natalie's disappearance. He would have been remiss in his duties if he let Wagner take charge of the search. That is insane. Wagner had no say in whether the CG was called, NONE! It didn't matter anyway because the CG could not launch a search until daylight. The HP had all of the necessary equipment to search the harbor. IT WAS NOT UP TO wAGNER TO CALL THE LIFEGUARDS (SMITH). THAT WAS UP TO OUDIN. OUDIN WAS IN CHARGE.

You are a dingbat who doesn't know what the hell she is talking about. Get your head out of the Enquirer and the other gossip rags.

Obviously, the LACSD has found nothing suspicious in Wagner's actions. They knew that they were all drunk that night.

You really have no life, do you? LOL.

 
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What is great is that there is a site like this to let people know what BS a book like GNGS is.

 
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and that's why you're here, to clean the stench off Wagner. How pathetic is that? At this point I think your dear RJ would prefer that you would find a new hobby. You're not doing him any favors. Who would put any stock in what you have to say? Anyone who has been reading this forum for any length of time can see exactly what you are. Who would want you in their corner? Wagner can have you. Who knows, maybe at his age he'd think you're cute. LOL

 
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On duty? It was 2:30 in the morning. He was asleep! He had no idea that Natalie was missing until Whiting and Wintler woke him up and told him she was missing. Now if RJ had called him and told him he would have known much sooner but RJ did not call him. Oudin's statement is in the police report. Robert Wagner told him, and all others involved not to call the Coast Guard. If the Coast Guard was called they would have been out there, day or night. They have the equipment, the lighting to search at night, more so that the shore boats that were used. Your statement that the CG is equipped only for daytime searching in testimony to your stupidity and how desperate you are to dust off Wagner. The Coast Guard is on duty 24 hours a day. Wagner knew that, just as he knew that it would take time for them to prefer for a search. He knew the sooner the CG was called, the sooner they would arrive and search for his wife. The CG should have been called immediately. Wagner chose not to call them. Speaks volumes.

All of the men involved in the search told the authorities that Robert Wagner told them to keep the search low key and not to call the Coast Guard. Some would say that was remiss in listening to Wagner but that does not change the fact that he and the others allowed Wagner to call the shots. That does not change the fact that the Coast Guard was not called because Wagner asked them, more than once, not to call.

Yesterday you were singing the praises of Smith, now you are calling him a loser. Speaks volumes. As for the people who submitted statements, say what you will about them but none of them are the center of a murder investigation.

I know exactly what I am talking about. I don't need tabloids. That's you! You're the fool who posts links to tabloid websites. I think I've proven that you don't know what you are talking about, that you lie to dust off Wagner.

If they found nothing suspicious, the case would be closed. It's open and very active. We'll come back to this when the case is closed.

You're here all day. You can't stop posting here and on various websites. You can't let a day go by without posting. You're obsessed with this. Maybe you should look at your mug in the mirror and as the question about having a life. I'm sure you'd be thrilled if I stopped posting here.

 
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August 13 2012, 2:40 PM 

Nobody was singing the praises of Smith. Smith knew how to do his job and he seems to have done that well. To think that he would not remember putting a blanket on Natalie is silly. To take the word of a drunken, low-life like Davern is ridiculous.

But, Smith sounds like he was a pain in the *** to the people he worked with. Nobody like a pain in trhe ***, lol.

OUDIN WAS ON DUTY THE NIGHT NATALIE DIED. OUDIN COORDINATED THE SEARCH. WAGNER HAD NO SAY IN CALLING THE CG. ARE YOU FOR REAL? OUDIN WAS aSISSITANT HM.

Oudin would never have let Wagner tell him what to do or not to do. Oudin would have been breaking the law.

More silly gossip.

Of course, what shows that Wagner did nothing wrong is the fact that the LACSD has said there was no foul play and Wagner is not a suspect.

Sorry, but Wagner did nothing wrong. Was he drunk, yes. Being drunk is what landed Natalie in the water, so I can't expect a drunk Wagner to be at his best. That is not realistic.

 
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You want people to believe Oudin coordinated the search because you want to dust off Wagner. You'd say anything to dust off Wagner. The FACT is that Oudin was called in the search by Whiting over an hour after Wagner made the radio call. You can BS all day long but the detectives have access to the police report which details the search. Oudin told the police that he was woken up from his sleep and told that Natalie was missing. It's detailed in the police report that Wagner asked that the Coast Guard not be called. The police report is not gossip. It's all been documented and Wagner has never denied it. It's a topic he never discusses. In his book of lies he alludes to making a call for a search "immediately", that the Coast Guard was called soon after the radio call. That's an out right lie, one of many that Wagner has told. If all of the this was not true Wagner would have mentioned it for sure. Wagner does his best to stay away from any mention of a timeline. Wagner steers clear of any reference to the time the Coast Guard was called because he knows why they were not called as soon as they should have been, because he told everyone connected with the search that he did not want the Coast Guard to be called. Just as Wagner steers clear of calling Dennis a liar in his book, he steers clear of contradicting what Whiting, Wintler and Oudin told the police. Why? Because he knows that if he did, it would come back and bite him in the ***, it would bring it all back. He knows everyone was telling the truth so he steered clear of it. This troll wants people to believe that everyone lies except Robert Wagner who has been proven to be the biggest liar of them all.

Why is he pain in the ***, because he wanted further investigation in Natalie's death? You called him a loser.

The LASD put out a PR statement so that the media would stop calling and asking questions. If they felt there was "no foul play" the case would be closed. It's not. It's very much open and in those PR statements the LASD did not say the case was closed, they made a point of saying that it was still open and active but that "at this time" there is no evidence of foul play. They don't realize that people like you believe that they would publicize that they have evidence of foul play. They are not going to tell the public and they are certainly not going to announce that they have a suspect. Clearly, you don't understand how it works but you go on believing that the case is closed and foul play is not suspected and that RJ is not a suspect. I know better and so does RJ.




 
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"You want people to believe Oudin coordinated the search because you want to dust off Wagner."

You are beyond crazy. A relative does not make the dcecision about how a missing person will be looked for. There are LAWS tha tOudin had to follow. Wagner would not have made any decision on bringing in anyone once Oudin was in control. You are really stupid. Hehehe.

Yes, Roger Smith was a pain in the ***. As we have seen, the detectives got it right the first time.

 
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August 13 2012, 5:08 PM 

Well Oudin did not follow those "laws". Robert Wagner asked them not to call the Coast Guard and they did not. It's in the police report and Wagner has never denied it because he knows it's true. Smith asked him what took him so long to call the CG and he told Smith that he did call the CG because the CG is a public agency and he did not want the publicity. These are the facts.

The "relative" took 2 hours to report his wife missing and another 2 hours to agree to call the CG. It documented, it's in the police report, it's in Oudin's report, it's in Whiting and Coleman's report. Why didn't this "relative" call Oudin, directly? He wanted to put off a public search as long as he could.

When Oudin was "in control" Wagner told him to keep the search low key, he told him that he did not want the CG called. Oudin did as Wagner wanted until approx 3:45 when he told Wagner that the CG had to be called. It took 4 hours for Wagner to agree to call to a CG call and furthermore not once in those 4 hours did Wagner suggest that the CG be called. You would think that a worried husband would insist that the CG be called. Not Wagner, he did not want the CG involved in the search for his wife because it was a public agency. Speaks volumes about his priorities.

And there are those phone calls Wagner made 2 weeks before Natalie died asking the people at the Coast Guard office about search and rescue on both sides of the island. Makes you wonder. I'm sure the detectives have wondered.

 
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August 13 2012, 4:14 PM 

I will continue to defend the Nat'l Enquirer for exposing liars like OJ, John Edwards and it has also printed about the suspicious circumstances on the night Natalie died, especially in view of RJ's many contradictions. ( a euphemism for lies !) Since we will never change your mind, dear Wagbot, why not just run along and enjoy your conviction that he is really Prince Charming in disguise... a real Jonathan Hart !! Let time take care of him and it will. He must spend many a sleepless night recounting Nov.29,1981. Maybe you will be rewarded for your blind loyalty and he will be cleared of all suspicion but that has not happened yet and if he had ever passed a polygraph test, we would all know it by now, probably by way of the National Enquirer !

 
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This is the mentality of these morons. The Enquirer? Two police investigations found Wagner not involved in Natalie's death, but the Enquirer says the circumstances were suspicious. That's like Geraldo showing the Zapruder film and saying that Kennedy was hit from the front. Not! That has been debunked SINCE THE NIGHT HE SHOWED THAT FILM.

Thanks, but I'll go with the detectives. You go back to your rocking chair and your gossip rag. LOL.

 
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One 3 day investigation found that Wagner was not involved. Thankfully the case was re-opened and is on going.
No where did anyone say that the case was closed expect by this Wagbot. The LASD described the case as ongoing and active. Another example of how this fool twists what he reads and then lies about. He follows the example of his idol.


I'm not the person defending The Enquirer. I loathe tabloids, always have but you, on the other hand, love the tabs!

You'll go with the detectives! Good! We'll come back to this post when the case is closed and we'll see if you still feel that way. I doubt it. I know Wagner will not "go with the detectives" in more ways than one. He'd know what I mean that. I wish I could say more but I can wait.

 
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August 13 2012, 5:30 PM 

Oudin said that if the search for Natalie had begun earlier, she might still be alive. That's on Wagner. No one could search until they were made aware that she was missing. Wagner waited approx 2 hours to make the radio call. Oudin was not made aware that Natalie was missing until an hour or so after that radio call and it was not Wagner who notified him.

Oudin also said "It's always bothered me that things went the way they did....they had been drinking and it was a little bit difficult to get information from them initially, because they were slurring their words."
His wife is missing and he's still boozing rather than trying to collect himself so that he could be more helpful.


Oudin said this in November, when the case was re-opened.

 
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August 13 2012, 5:54 PM 

Hehehe. You are such a simple minded person,really.

How could Wagner report her missing if he didn't know she was missing? lol.

Oh right, Davern, who was so not drunk (lol), said that Wagner waited all of those hours to call for help. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Wagner, as well as Davern, waited all of those hours to call for help???

Nope. Davern didn't know what the hell was going on. He was out of it from booze AND DRUGS.

Of course it would have been better if Wagner had discovered Natalie missing earlier, but he didn't.

Yes, Oudin noted that THEY were slurring their words. Your boy Davern was OUT OF IT. No way he could have remembered what was going on like the way Rulli makes it appear in that book of lies.

Natalie fell off of the boat because she was drunk to the gills. I wouldn't expect the rest of them to be any less drunk.

No foul play just an accident.

 
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August 13 2012, 6:48 PM 

My favorite line is when Rulli says that Wagner poured a drink for Davern but Davern said he only took a sip because he wanted to remain alert, LOL. Davern was a boatbum who would swallow and snort whatever was in front of him, LMAO. But this night "Captain Daver (the cook and the housekeeper) wanted to remain alert. I guess he must have had too much ealier in the evening when he didn't clean up the broken glass from the wine bottle. I mean, isn't that what a housekeeper is supposed to do? All-seeing, all-knowing Davern was too busy getting high to know what the hell was going on that night, LOL.


WHAT A CROCK OF BULL.


 
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August 13 2012, 8:41 PM 

Robert Wagner "I was tipsy" What a crock of bull


 
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He knew she was missing at midnight. That's what he told the police and the search crew, Stupid fool. We've already discussed this but being the simpleton that you are, you need to have everything repeated.

Dennis did not say that Wagner waited hours to call, Wagner did. He told the police and the search crew the he went to the stateroom at midnight and she was gone. You're obsessed with Rulli, Davern and GNGS. Apparently, that book hit a nerve.

You are so pathetically predictable. I knew you would mention Dennis being drunk. That's terrible that Dennis was drunk but perfectly OK for Robert Wagner to be drunk. That's a Wagbot for you.

Apparently Dennis does remember because he passed a polygraph. We can't say the same for old RJ but he's proven liar. For example "I was tipsy" I guess old Wagner never dreamed Oudin would tell the public how drunk he was. LOL It's all coming back to haunt old RJ.

The detectives do not feel that she fell off the boat. They don't feel that her death was an accident. Natalie's alcohol level is not even a consideration in the re-investigation because they feel she was murdered. This will be discussed when the case closes but I am CERTAIN that the investigating detectives feel that Natalie was murdered. You can believe those PR statements but I KNOW better.

 
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"You are so pathetically predictable. I knew you would mention Dennis being drunk. That's terrible that Dennis was drunk but perfectly OK for Robert Wagner to be drunk. That's a Wagbot for you."


You knew I would mention Davern being drunk? They were all smashed.

YOU ARE A FOOL.

 
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No, you have been certified as the resident FOOL and you've held the title for many years. You've done such a splendid job as the resident FOOL that no one can take your place.

 
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I see Poopy's been busy again, even took the time to post when he got up to pee in the middle of the night. Dude, it's so obvious, really. You say the SAME things over and over. Pro and con Poopy.

I hope they have all been polygraphed but I doubt it. I would have thought that would have hit the news circuits by now. It might reinstate my faith in cops just a tad if they have.

 
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August 14 2012, 11:46 AM 

manson passed a polygraph more than one time that speaks volumes and mansons was in a controlled environment, daverns was not that also speaks volumes. Smith changed his story from his statement turned in by rulli that speaks volumes oudin bombard and rasure also changed their stories the only person that has been consistant is wagner and you cant count the bottle smashing because he was not asked as far as liars davern is an admitted one. keep conning people with your con you do a good job of that. wagner walken and davern have not been questioned by the police gngs is fiction that speaks volumes for the people who believe in it.

 
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August 14 2012, 11:49 AM 

High Poopy!

Hey, I know you're trying to write to appear to be different people, but try using proper punctuation. Attempting to seem illiterate is not working for ya. We still know it's you.

p.s. How did you like my Schitt jokes? They were dedicated to you!

 
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Why does everyone blame Manson for those Tate murders? Manson never murdered anyone. That all was strictly Satan's helper Watson and his 2 evil comrades to do as they pleased. Evil Tex & those 2 satanic b*tches were far far worse than Manson could ever have hoped to be. They loved murdering and no one had to "talk" them into anything.

Same with the LaBianca murders. Manson only tied them up but couldn't bring himself to murder anyone. But, of course, he didn't need to did he? He had Tex and Co. to perform the gruesome slaughters. The 3 butcherers were one of the most evil and vile people ever to walk the face of this earth. They should all should have fried 40 yrs. ago and been bones by now. Manson should have been the only to actually get life. It's all B.S. that he "made" anyone murder. They murdered because they wanted to, plain and simple.

 
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Manson also had a horrific childhood without love and affection or caring parents, whereas Tex had a perfect upbringing with wonderful parents and was popular in h.s. If Manson could "make" people murder, then why didn't Linda Kasabian participate in murdering them as she was there that night but didn't bring harm to anyone.

 
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August 14 2012, 4:54 PM 

Let's not get distracted by the Manson cult....RJ would not even allow the search lights on his own boat to be turned on immediately upon finding Natalie missing. What a guy !

 
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August 14 2012, 6:35 PM 

Manson was asked if he murdered Sharon Tate. He answered "No" That's why he passed the polygraph. This has been discussed here several times.

I would love to have Robert Wagner submit to a polygraph but that will never happen. Speaks Volumes. Many of his recent actions SPEAK VOLUMES.

Wagner was asked about the glass and his response was that the rolling seas may have caused it. He lied

This troll is BS-ing in this post calling everyone a liar except Wagner who has been proven to have lied. The detectives have the police report. They know Wagner lied, they know exactly what they were told by Oudin and Bombard and by Rasure. I'm SURE all of these men have been questioned. Roger Smith never changed his story nor was he asked to. He expressed his suspicion very early on and never changed his story as far as when he felt occurred that weekend. His voiced his suspicion and it cost him his job. He feels that the investigation was a big cover-up. His inconsistencies had to do with what he claims happened with the dinghy. He claims to have retrieved it but the fact is that Bill Coleman and Don Whiting retrieved it and used it in the search.

You have no idea who has been questioned, obviously. That will be discussed when the case is closed. It's unrealistic to think that none three men on the boat have been questioned but how can we expect a person who lives denial as you do to be realistic or someone with your lower level of intelligence to use common sense. Common sense would tell the average person that the police have certainly attempted to question Wagner, Walken and Davern. Only a dimwit like you would assume that they have not been questioned because you have not read about it on your favorite tabloid websites.

Typically, this fool is calling everyone a liar except Robert Wagner who is at the center of the investigation, who has been lying since day one. His only consistency is that he consistently lies.

An example of Wagner's consistency, in Lambert's book he stated that Natalie was present when he smashed the bottle, that after he smashed the bottle she got up and walked away. In his book he said that Natalie had gotten up and gone to the stateroom before he smashed the bottle. I'm sure the detectives have noticed the changes in his story depending on his audience.

As for the people who believe in GNGS, investigating detectives are among the people who do believe in GNGS, very much so. We will come back to this when the case is closed.

 
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August 15 2012, 6:16 AM 

wagner walken and davern have not been questioned by the police. gngs is fiction that speaks volumes for the people who believe in it. the police do not believe in gngs they cant its fiction police use facts they would subject themselves to scrutiny. Your con is loosing ground but keep conning its amusing.

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August 15 2012, 7:03 AM 

As I said, you live in denial. Go on with it, keep laughing. Robert Wagner is not laughing, not one bit.

 
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August 15 2012, 9:16 AM 

Of course Wagner should be polygraphed. He should have been the first one sought out. I don't understand and can some know-it-all here explain to me why Wagner or Walken or Davern has NOT been polygraphed?

How can they not be polygraphed and questioned about what their story was 30 years ago and everything they can remember today? Am I missing something here or what?? Are Barney Fife and Co. not going to question Wagner about the events and force him to take a polygraph simply because he was a big celebrity? Same with Walken?

Please feel free to clue me in on why after 9 months this has not occurred many many months ago now.

 
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August 15 2012, 11:21 AM 

the reason wagner walken and davern have not been questioned or polygraphed is because they are not suspects and the reason they are not suspects is because woods death is undetermined there is no evidence they know wood drown they know there are bruises they dont know and never will how she got in the water and as far as the bruises superficial bruises dont kill people. gngs is fiction and that speaks volumes for the people who believe in it.

 
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August 15 2012, 11:37 AM 

"it will all be explained" LOL what are the police going to say? that they know wagner murdered wood but they cant prove it? LOLOLOLOLOLOL let them try that wagner will own LA or that there is foul play and they cant prove it LOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL here is how it will end lacsd will say we have no evidence no suspects and no supporting evidence woods death will remain undetermined because of bruising on her body that we cant prove one way or another if it was foul play or from drowning, case closed. gngs is fiction and that speaks volumes for the people who believe in it.

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August 15 2012, 3:50 PM 

amd fools like you will go on believing what you will

 
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August 16 2012, 6:16 AM 

fools like us believe in the justice system where you are innocent until proven guilty. Fools like us aren't walking around with a rope and noose looking to hang someone for the death of wood. fools like us realize that people die and drown every day and wood is no different from them.

 
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August 16 2012, 3:29 PM 

Yes, people drink too much and drown every day.... but not off a small pleasure boat after a violent argument and a husband accusing one's wife's friend and co-star of wanting to "F---'her. Maybe they will never get enough proof together to bring a charge of negligent homicide against RJ but it is a fact that people will never again look at him in the same way. Too bad the lie detector will not be used on him because he is a LIAR, not just a misquoted grieving widower. He wouldn't even turn on a light to look for her, just chose to wait her out. The charming persona he nursed so carefully over the years is forever shattered !!! Let he and Jill live in their little dream world but he is paying for his sins in many ways.

 
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August 16 2012, 3:35 PM 

He can't be charged with negligent homicide because the statute of limitations on that charge ran out a long time ago. It's Murder One or nothing.
He will never submit to a polygraph and he can't be forced to submit to a polygraph.

 
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August 16 2012, 3:29 PM 

Yes, people drink too much and drown every day.... but not off a small pleasure boat after a violent argument and a husband accusing one's wife's friend and co-star of wanting to "F---'her. Maybe they will never get enough proof together to bring a charge of negligent homicide against RJ but it is a fact that people will never again look at him in the same way. Too bad the lie detector will not be used on him because he is a LIAR, not just a misquoted grieving widower. He wouldn't even turn on a light to look for her, just chose to wait her out. The charming persona he nursed so carefully over the years is forever shattered !!! Let he and Jill live in their little dream world but he is paying for his sins in many ways.

 
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August 17 2012, 6:14 AM 

there is no evidence of a violent argument that is hearsay from a book of fiction. wood was swishing her tail and any husband, any real man would confront the situation. breaking a bottle and saying the word &uck does not cause someone to drown. gngs is fiction and that speaks volumes for the people who believe in it.

 
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August 17 2012, 8:28 PM 

"As the Beatles say, yeah, yeah, yeah". Jeez-a-lou, Kitty, everyone here has been here forever. Do you really think we forget your Jocko catch phrases? Party on, maniac.

 
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August 18 2012, 8:08 AM 

gngs is fiction that speaks volumes for the people who believe in it.

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August 18 2012, 8:46 AM 

Hey did anyone see IMDB the resident chowder head says wood was going to contact a divorce lawyer when she got home, says who? davern? an admitted liar! the night before her death rj and wood got in a huge fight causing her to stay in an hotel, the next morning she cooked breakfast for everyone and then rj slipped her the bone and on that same day they were popping quaaludes (compliments of davern) and drinking all day. wood would not leave wagner at that point in her life her film career was over she was doing made for tv trash and soon to be doing stage work if she ever needed rj she needed him then.

 
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August 18 2012, 9:52 AM 

I don't think those tv movies she made were trash. I think she was really good in most of them.

I agree that Wagner and Wood were in it for the long haul the second time. I think if Natalie had not died, they would still be together.

 
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August 18 2012, 11:05 AM 

More BS from the resident imbecile troll. He is incapable of communicating without lies and vulgarity. Natalie Wood was financially set. She would never have needed a man to support her. She invested wisely. Wagner on the other hand was a financial mess at 4. He needed her money to survive. He could not pay his bills. She paid it all for him. She supported his daughter because we was so far behind in his child support. She supported his ex-wife because he was behind in Alimony. RJ never paid Natalie Alimony because she did not request it. She could take care of herself. She bailed him out. He was a failure at 42. She saved him.
The qualludes were not in the picture that day. That was the day before. More lies from the troll. Notice that he buys that quallude story that was offered by Davern in GNGS which he labels a book of fiction. Speaks volumes about this troll. The only parts of the book that this fool does not believe are the parts that shed a bad light on his dear RJ.
No one claimed that Natalie and RJ had marital relations that morning. This troll slips that in there to make Wagner look like the big lover man. Still trying to shoot down the fact that old RJ played on both teams. For all we know the last people to have sex on that boat were Wagner and Walken. They were alone all night.

 
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August 18 2012, 11:29 AM 

"More BS from the resident imbecile troll. He is incapable of communicating without lies and vulgarity. Natalie Wood was financially set. She would never have needed a man to support her"

You moron, who is talking about money? What a simple minded fool. IDIOT!

So, quaaludes were on the boat and nobody took any that Saturday? You know this for a fact? Pills were there and nobody took them that day?

This is the type of moron that celebrities have to deal with. They know everything. Everything is what they say it is.

 
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August 18 2012, 11:58 AM 

You implied that she needed to be married to him for financial security. You brought money into it. I guess would make you the simple minded fool.

And you know for a fact that they did? No, you don't but you claimed that they did because you are a pathetic liar. How do you know that there were Quaaludes on the boat. Dennis told that story and you don't believe anything else he said but you believe that. Speaks volumes.

You are the idiot who posted a few items ,that you have no knowledge of, as fact. So you would be the moron that you describe. Well done.

 
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August 18 2012, 11:36 AM 

FYI chowder head the qualude info was written way before gngs and you know it everyone does. money they were both loaded for that time with wood its not about money its about moral and mental support and that is what wagner provided the best for her thats why she married him twice inbetween time her life was a trainwreck

 
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August 18 2012, 12:14 PM 

Really? Where was it written? The only person who volunteered that info was Dennis Davern. He was the source. The lying Dennis Davern, as you point out incessantly, was the only source for that info. Certainly Wagner would NEVER have mentioned that. He would not even admit that he was drunk that weekend. Walken has been quiet as a mouse, publicly, about details of that weekend.

Natalie had her kids, her friends and family. She did not need a weakling like Wagner for moral or emotional support. She would have done just fine without him. He needed her more than she needed him. She was loaded. Had she not rescued him financially, who knows what would have become of him. He obviously lived above his means and probably still does.

"Mental support" ??? You are so pathetically dim-witted and inarticulate.

 
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August 18 2012, 12:47 PM 

"You implied that she needed to be married to him for financial security. You brought money into it. I guess would make you the simple minded fool. "

I didn't write that and it is not implied that she needed to be married for financial reasons.

You are an IDIOT.

Davern is so truthful that he says he only drank a little when Wagner offered it to him. He says he wanted to stay alert, haha. Rasure saw what a disgusting, drunken slob he was the next morning. Davern is a joke. The public got to see just what a slob he was last November. That was great.

The public saw how creepy the two of them are. Still feeding off of Natalie. Like animals. It is disgusting.

 
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August 18 2012, 1:04 PM 

and Oudin said that Wagner was so drunk he could not speak clearly but Wagner said he was "tipsy". Rasure did not say boo about Dennis' intoxication in the official police report. It was AFTER Dennis made Rasure's inept investigation public that Rasure attacked him. Rasure was so incompetent that he accepted all that was told to him as the truth. The puppy dog detective went to Natalie's house to pick up written statements that were prepared by Wagner's and Davern's attorneys and the case was closed.
These Wagbots attack Dennis but they give RJ a free reign when he tell his lies. Speaks volumes.




 
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August 18 2012, 1:14 PM 



Davern is a slob. The public got to see just what pigs the two of them are. That was worth the price of admission, hehehe.
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You are too stupid to understand that the broken bottle meant nothing. You've watched too many "Perry Mason" episodes, lol. It was not a point to pursue. It had nothing to do with Natalie being so drunk that she fell off of a boat. Big surprise there, a drunk person falling into the water. Rasure nailed Davern as a bum and he was right. Raure is a smart man.

You keep trying to make Wagner guilty and he Ain't.

 
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August 18 2012, 1:24 PM 

Who mentioned the bottle? But now that you brought it up. It most certainly was a point to pursue. It showed that Wagner was violently angry to the point of losing his temper and smashing a glass bottle on a table. If it was not a "point to pursue" Wagner would have told the truth when asked about the glass. He would have told Rasure that he lost his temper but he lied and told him that the glass was from rolling seas. Wagner lied to protect himself from suspicion in Natalie's death.

"Rasure is a smart man." Consider the source of that statement. LOLOL


I don't have to try to make Wagner look guilty. His words and his actions do the job well enough for me and for the investigating detectives. OMG, his actions speak volumes to them, VOLUMES!

 
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August 18 2012, 2:42 PM 

Rasure is scum. Not only did he not do his job that night but he is still not man enough to admit he screwed up by all standards of police procedure. The defining moment for me with Rasure? When he personally kept Natalie's death photo. He had no right to it and as far as I'm concerned he stole it from the department. Rasure evidently needed a souvenir of his celebrity case to show others and "bask" in the glory of his participation. Defend that, schmuck. I remember when Rulli mentioned it on her blog. I seemed to be the only one who was livid over that revelation. He can keep his sick, disrespectful souvenir, I wonder how his participation in the case feels now. His one moment of reflected glory now turned into a much earned black mark on his career record.

 
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LMAO. Looks like the detectives in the latest review agree with Rasure. Wagner did nothing to harm Natalie. He's not a suspect. LMAO.
You keep spittin' into the wind.

 
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August 18 2012, 9:01 PM 

You dimwit, you are doing the spitting. I KNOW what's going on. You very obviously do not.

 
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August 19 2012, 8:30 AM 

you know squat YOU are a con

 
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August 19 2012, 9:12 AM 

LOLOL, OK, you keep telling yourself that. No one cares what an obsessed scum bag like you thinks about any of this.

 
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August 19 2012, 2:18 PM 

They might not care but they listen, and i'm not out to con people like you, I speak the facts and the truth, my life is not based on a charade that i've been brainwashed into thinking

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August 19 2012, 2:26 PM 

"They might not care but they listen" Do you realize how ridiculous that statement is? Of course you don't. LOL

You have no idea what the truth is or what the facts are in relation to any of this. Your posts are littered with lies.

 
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August 19 2012, 9:10 PM 

i know what the facts are and by knowing the facts i know the truth. i speak the truth backed by facts. you are a con every day trying to con people into believing what you have been brainwashed to think and then conned by a con to spread the con.

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August 20 2012, 6:21 AM 

You lie incessantly. You are an obsessed fool who cannot stop posting on this topic even though you insist it's over. Speaks volumes.
"brainwashed" LOL


 
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"i know what the facts are and by knowing the facts i know the truth. i speak the truth backed by facts. you are a con every day trying to con people into believing what you have been brainwashed to think and then conned by a con to spread the con.

"liars figure, figures don't lie"
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You are right! She is a con. She will say and/or do anything to make Wagner look guilty. The life of a woman who has NO life. Alas, the LACSD has found that Wagner had NOTHING to do with Natalie's death. Nat was sloshed and she fell overboard by accident. That's the TRUTH.

The "Drama Queens" can't accept the truth so they keep clawing away at Wagner. The "Night of the Living Dead" freaks. They are sickening.

 
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August 20 2012, 6:26 PM 

Now the idiot is talking to himself. This is common practice for him.

The LASD has not found that Wagner had nothing to do with Natalie's death. That is a lie. The case is still being investigated.

This freak insists it's over but he can't stop posting about it. He responds to himself.

The person who has no life is the idiot who posts and responds to himself, invents various identities all over the Internet, posts saying that he is Wagner's lawyer etc. He's a obsessed nutcase !

No one has to make Wagner look guilty, his actions and his words do that, especially his actions of late, they SPEAK VOLUMES.

 
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August 20 2012, 7:38 PM 

Old Gal, There's more than one person on this site. I know that is hard for your little brain to comprehend, but try to remember that.

Now, concerning Natalie Wood's death:

"As we previously reported, the L.A. County Sheriff's Department spokesman said investigators have found nothing to lead them to believe Natalie's mysterious death in 1981 was anything but an accident."


I know, I know, the police are trying to mislead the public, hehehe.

 
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August 20 2012, 8:39 PM 

and a few months later the Coroner changed the death certificate from "Accident" to "Undetermined" That would be enough for most people to realize that the case is still open and the investigation is ongoing. As a matter of fact that is exactly what they said. This hopeless, hapless toad is still hanging onto the January statement that was given to stop the media attention.

Nice try, dumbo. Anyone familiar with your posts knows that you are alone here. Your posts define you.

I did not say the police were trying to mislead the public. I said they were trying mislead the media so that phone would stop ringing, the media would leave them alone so that they could do their job. You're probably not aware of this but the LASD and the LAPD loathe the media.

Now, I know you are going to say that the death certificate was changed due to protocol. Obviously you don't know what protocol is. I will explain it to you. In the world of forensic pathology coroners follow certain standards that are set for them. These standards are the Autopsy Protocol. It was the feeling of the Coroner's Office and the LASD that Noguchi did not follow those standards when he failed to consider that the bruising could have been the result of something other than the drowning. The Coroner's Office feels that the bruises were inconsistent with a drowning. That is what the Coroner's meant when they said that Noguchi did not follow protocol.

Believe what you choose. I know better. Robert Wagner knows better.

 
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August 20 2012, 9:29 PM 

No. As the LACSD told us in a follow-up story, they changed the DC due to protcol. It had nothing to do with them thinking her bruises were caused by another person, they don't think that. That says more than anything. That's all. No foul play, and no suspect. Wagner is not considered involved in the least. Those are just the facts.

Natalie "body-feeders" can't live with that answer. They keep trying to change it--the ghouls that they are! Hahaha.

 
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August 21 2012, 6:16 AM 

when you know the facts you know the truth and you speak it you don't try to con people otherwise because of a cause you have been brainwashed into thinking by a con who cons people into spreading a con.

 
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August 21 2012, 7:07 AM 

"when you know the facts you know the truth and you speak it you don't try to con people otherwise because of a cause you have been brainwashed into thinking by a con who cons people into spreading a con."



Are you conning me?

 
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August 21 2012, 5:44 PM 

It's fairly clear who you are reffering to as a con. Think for a moment of how foolish such a statement actually sounds. You accuse people here of being conned, but do not stop for a moment to consider the fact the LACSD believes who you call a con? They interviewed Rulli and Davern before opening the case. They read the testimony Rulli compiled and they proceeded with a case they believed strong enough to reopen. You sound like such a fool. Now the death certifictae no longer says accidental. STrides of progress have been made, and it's an ongoing investigation, Very odd if based upon a con story, I might add. Because a moron LACSD spokesperson voiced his opinion publicly a few months back means nothing. We do not hear from Rulli and Davern for obvious reasons. They are cooperating with the law. Jeez, wonder if Wagner is? Right!

 
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August 21 2012, 7:17 PM 

The good thing is that this foolishness is finally over. They believe Natalie died by accident. Wagner and his family can get on with their lives.
The same answer they got 31 years ago. Good grief. Much ado about nothing.

 
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August 21 2012, 9:10 PM 

You stay in that fantasy world that you inhabit. The rest of us live in the real world. In that world the case is very much open to the point where it's being discussed in the media. McSweeney made a new statement. This time around he made no attempt to say that the case was closed. This time he said it's open and has been in a particularly active period. He said cases like this have slow periods and active periods. In this interview he did not refer to Natalie's death as an accident. In this article the change to the death certificate was discussed. The explanation was that the cause of death was changed because at this point it's unknown how Miss Wood ended up in the water. This article makes it very clear that the authorities no long consider Natalie's death to be an accident.
Is the Associated Press a con, also? This is all over the wire services. I guess they are all cons.
There is more going on but I will keep it to myself.
Obviously they have to be discreet and cannot discuss specifics publicly.
By the way, the article mention that the reporter tried to concact Wagner for a statement but he did not respond. Big shock there. They quoted Wagner's previous statement in which Wagner said he hopes the new investigation will fair. Speaks volumes.

 
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August 21 2012, 9:23 PM 

Oh, by the way, this time McSweeney did say that there was no evidence of foul play.

 
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August 21 2012, 9:38 PM 

"There is more going on but I will keep it to myself, they cannot discuss specifics publicly" but YOU know "what more is going on"? LOL YOU ARE A CON and nobody mentioned rulli and davern being cons but YOU speaks volumes quit conning people into thinking you have inside info LOL you got squat

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August 21 2012, 9:45 PM 

Anyone reading any of this knows that I am not a con. Of course that is what you're going to say because you are running on empty.

Have you seen the AP wire service reports yet?

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August 22 2012, 6:13 AM 

the cause of death is
"drowning and other UNDETERMINED factors" and the period of the case is coming to a close. now try to con us into thinking different you'll have the rest of your life to try

 
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August 21 2012, 9:33 PM 

I would hardly call Nat's death under unusual circumstances "much ado about nothing" Shows the hearless mentality of the Wagbots. As for there being no prood of violent argument onboard the Splendour, I have been around many bottles of wine and have never lived to see one smashed----except when I christened a ship !! It takes a lot of force, believe me !! Also, anyone who knew Natalie knew how she loved and cared for her jewelry so it was quite odd to find her recently purchased earring in a corner of the stateroom floor. You can support Wagner all you want and try, try , try to believe he would never have a part to play in her death but "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men/"" especially one as jealous and out of control as RJ was that night. He will never look the same to many Hollywoodites again --- and thousands of his former fans !!

 
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August 22 2012, 6:30 AM 





Jocko again.

 
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August 23 2012, 8:24 PM 

I am NOT Jocko but you are a Jackass.

 
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August 23 2012, 8:43 PM 

Just stop and try to imagine what it had to be like for Dennis Davern to have listened to Natalie go on most of Friday night while at the motel in Avalon Harbor about how upset she was with RJ and talking about seeing a lawyer,possibly divorce. Then when she couldn't reach her sister deciding to go back to the Splendour (really more a large boat than a yacht !)as she hated to leave Chris there with an angry RJ. She tried to put the best face on things with her Ranchos Huevos so she was trying to make things work out for everyone. It was only one morning later that Dennis had to go and ID her body, guess her poor weak husband wasn't up to that job as a loving husband & MAN. Now put together the horrible anger and jealousy that caused him to smash a bottle, carry on like the jealous monster he became when he told her to "Get off his F------ boat !"Where did he think she would go ?? She was in her nightie, (no undies) for God's sake?? And he told investigators that she may have gone ashore or to other boats ?? We are to doubt DD'story because he isn't as polished or as "smooth"as RJ ? I,among thousands of others, buy it 100 %. Why can't justice prevail even at this late date? The mills of God grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine...... RJ will get his due one way or another !!

 
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August 27 2012, 12:03 PM 

What I find very odd is that Wagner didn't go ID her body. It wasn't Davern's job and Wagner should have did the deed himself as he was the spouse. If it had been myself, nothing could have kept me from wanting to see my spouse's body, if just to say goodbye and see them one final time as they were. Very odd. Leaving her name out of the dedication of his book could be another possible "red flag".

Unfortunately, if Wagner did in someway by being so intoxicated cause her death, it can never be proven now. It must make him very anxious in reality to have had the death cert. altered at all.

 
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August 27 2012, 3:57 PM 

Never say never

 
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August 27 2012, 9:26 PM 

NEVER.

Wagner is not a person of interest in this reinvestigation.

 
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August 28 2012, 5:16 AM 

He is THE person of interest.

 
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August 28 2012, 6:06 AM 

No HE is not.

 
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August 28 2012, 8:04 PM 

Yes, it was VERY odd. At the time , with everyone in the dark about the circumstances surrounding that weekend, RJ was given every benefit of the doubt in his role as "grieving widower"It may have been his best acting yet !! There were many red flags and not only did he not ID the body but had to be convinced to attend the FUNERAL!! How much of a red flag is that? Then of course, right back on the set of Hart to Hart a few days later where no one could bother him !! With the advantage of retrospective, one tends to view his behavior in a different light !! He may never be anything more than a person of interest but don't try to convince me that policemen and cold case investigators don't see through his facade ! ( his lies and inconsistencies have helped them all along to not be blinded by his "charm'.) He will pay his pound of flesh !! one way or another and his precious image is as shattered as was Natalie's life> A living example of"" Divorce, Never: Murder; Yes "" . A joke often told but,in this case, a distinct possibility !!

 
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August 28 2012, 9:28 PM 

sorry it's not going to happen to HIM honey boo boo child

 
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August 29 2012, 6:24 AM 

Robert Wagner saw the men pull his wife's lifeless body out of the water. After seeing that, I can't blame him for not wanting to see her dead body up close. He was in shock.

 
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August 29 2012, 9:10 AM 

He didn't see them pull her out of the water. Doug Bombard went to the Splendour and told him Natalie was dead. Stop lying to excuse old bastard.

 
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August 29 2012, 9:30 AM 

Shock is not an excuse. He had no right to make Davern do it, she wasn't his wife. Davern should have refused. Why didn't he want to attend the Funeral? If this is true, most odd indeed. I think when someone deliberately leaves out the name of a passed loved one in the dedication to their autobiography, especially an untimely and tragic one, with children involved between the two, it shows some hard feelings. I do feel Natalie Wood should have been mentioned. Maybe he blames her in some roundabout way for the circumstances that happened that night.

Has anyone asked Wagner why Wood wasn't in his dedication? No matter what fans of Wagner might say, of course he's going to be upset that the case was reopened and now the death certificate changed. I wondered why Wood would invite Walken on a booze cruise anyway until I read that there were supposed to be other couples going but they all cancelled due to the bad weather. Does anyone know if Walken realized he would be their only passenger that weekend? He should have had the good sense not to go if he knew it would just be him. Booze, flirting openly in front of a spouse, more booze.... never a good idea but no one should have had to die because of poor judgment.

 
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August 29 2012, 10:08 AM 

Yes, he did see them pull Natalie out of the water. Bombard said that Wagner could see everything they were doing. It wasn't that far from the back of the Splendour.

He was in shock. He didn't make Davern do it. Nobody can make anyone do it. He asked Davern and Davern agreed. Wagner was at the funeral. The rest is gossip.


 
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This happens in so many cases where the person was alone and died as the result of an accident. Families are left with questions of how could it have happened. Like the young woman in NYC who tripped going down a flight of stairs in a frieds apt house. She was found dead and bloody at the bottom of the stairwell. The police thought she was slashed when they first found her, but have said that the blood was due to the bruises that she suffered in her fall. She had been drinking.

What a waste to reopen a case that can yield no further answers. More misery for her family.

 
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August 29 2012, 11:24 AM 

Oh, stop this silly nonsense about more misery for Natalie's family. What has made the family miserable is the fact that Wagnbutt got caught in his own lies. It is HIS actions making the family miserable, not Natalie's unnecessary death. Her death was unnecessary because she was killed, and many answers are still available. The changing of the death certificate is proof postitive of the answers and changes still available. It was made perfectly clear in every article I read last week that Natalie's death is still being investigated. If they thought it was an accident they can't explain, the case would've been closed with the change in death certificate. It was NOT! This case is still on, and who the LACSD cares about is NATALIE, not those in her family who might be miserable because a psychopathic killer is being found out. Oh, please stop with your silly nonsense. LOL

 
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August 29 2012, 11:39 AM 

Bombard changed his story. That's not what he told the police nor is it what he told Finstad in his detailed interview with her. He changed many things in his recent interviews. Also, Wagner never said he saw everything. According to Wagner, Bombard went to the Splendour and told him Natalie was found and that she was dead.

 
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August 29 2012, 3:31 PM 

Bombard didn't change a thing, he only added more details. Wagner was watching as they pulled Natalie's body out of the water. She drowned out behind the Splendour. He said he came back and told Wagner she was dead. He added that he had to have known because he saw them retrieve her body. The man was in a state of shock.

Natalie should have been more responsible with her drinking and prescription drug taking. She was falling down drunk that night.

 
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August 29 2012, 5:46 PM 

Yes, he did change his story. "Added more deatails" LMAO Wagner was not watching when they pulled Natalie out of the water.
Shock? No. He knew she was dead. He made sure of it.

 
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August 29 2012, 6:12 PM 

Yep! Bombard said that Wagner was watching. I'll take his word over the word of a psycho like yourself. Doug was there. LMAO. Hmm, I don't see any mention of murder or Wagner being involved. That just kills you. LMAO.

 
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And you are taking his word of RJ's word because RJ NEVER said that he saw Natalie's body being removed from the water and if that was true, Wagner would have played that violin loud and clear.

Any mention by Bombard? How can he say that Wagner did or did not murder Natalie? He was not there. He never said Wagner murdered Natalie and he never said he didn't. Bombard was not involved in the search until the latter part. He did say that he wished that he had been notified earlier, that she may have been saved if help had been called for sooner.

In answer to your question, no it does not kill me because I know of a certain person who believes with all his heart that Wagner murdered Natalie. This person's feelings are FAR more relevant than those of Doug Bombard. I look forward to discussing all of that in detail elsewhere. No you go on with your flip/flop Wagner is innocent out of one side or your mouth, Wagner is guilty out of the other. You're a total nutcase, to the point that you could be considered a danger to others. People have been warned about you, very important people. Have fun talking to yourself, responding to yourself, lying, hacking into e-mail accounts etc, etc, etc. You are all alone in this, just you and various names you use here and on various websites.
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August 29 2012, 6:56 PM 

Why the hell would Wagner tell people he saw Natalie's dead body being removed from the ocean?

You have a very limited mind. Seriously.

There is zero evidence that Wagner had anything to do with her death. It doesn't exist. Nobody has found it. It ain't there.

 
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August 29 2012, 9:36 PM 

Wagner had more things on his mind like explaining to his children that their mother was dead and sure he was in shock then to go identify the body of his wife who he saw pulled from the water and obviousley was dead. I'm sure if he asked Lana to go we wouldn't be talking about this, right? LOL

 
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August 30 2012, 6:12 AM 

It's very normal and not unusual for a next of kin or friend to identify a corpse, but because this is Robert John Wagner it's a horrible thing, that is, only in the eyes of the ill obsessed.

 
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August 30 2012, 9:12 AM 

I don't believe it's normal at all to send the pilot of your yacht to identify a wife's sudden death when the spouse is right there to id the body. His actions on that were abnormal. Of course, being thoughtless and a coward to see your wife's corpse isn't confirmation that he caused her death. No one will ever know for certain since the dead can't speak.

 
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August 30 2012, 6:25 PM 

"No one will ever know for certain since the dead can't speak."

Thats just a worn out and cliched phrase and doesn't make any sense, just like you ya effin moronic, feeble minded simpleton.

 
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August 30 2012, 10:04 PM 

It was told by RJ's lawyer (Paul Ziffren) at the time that he convinced RJ to go to the funeral of Natalie. RJ's first reaction back at their meeting in his bedroom at 603 N. Canon was not to go. Of course , image being very important , we all saw the photos of his taking gardenias for each of the children and kissing the coffin. Imagine he might have had a few regrets by then. No one ever knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men, especially men whose anger is fueled by alcohol and jealousy. God knows the hearts of all of us so even if RJ never atones in this world, he may face judgment in the next. God will be the final judge in this case....

 
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August 30 2012, 10:52 PM 

Quit trying to appear relevant. This place is a joke and so are you. Go get real hobbies people. This is OLD news. 30 years...lets move it along.

 
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"It was told?"

Gossip! Wagner was at the funeral. I can't imagine he would let down his daughters that way. He didn't.

 
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August 31 2012, 6:08 AM 

LOL the tabloid queen who hates men strikes again LOL

 
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August 31 2012, 10:28 AM 

How horrible that morning must have been for Wagner. Specifically because they were all so drunk the night before and then it ends in tragedy. He was her husband and he must have felt terrible guilt that she drowned while he was on board. He must have felt so overcome with guilt in those circumstances.

Especially when you think of her struggling in the water. Terrible, nightmarish thoughts must have run through his head. I can understand why he couldn't get out of bed.

 
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August 31 2012, 7:09 PM 

The only nightmarish thought that ran through that psychopath's head was will she die quick enough before anyone helps her. Period.

 
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August 31 2012, 8:06 PM 

So odd that the person writing that RJ will never be charge with anything keeps on "keeping on"and doesn't get a life or a hobby... Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion but such stalwart support of Robert Wagner concerning his role in Natalie Wood's death is never going to convince millions of former fans wwho think he was more than a little bit culpable. I definitely agree that he was in a race against time that night of Nov. 29th. What might have been facing him the next week when Nat saw her lawyers would have been "deja vu all over again" in the wise words of Yoge Berra !!!

 
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September 1 2012, 6:45 AM 

I understand that. I don't love RJ but I can see he had nothing to do with his wife's death, too. That is obvious from the police investigations.

 
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September 1 2012, 7:39 AM 

"see her lawyers" hearsay from an admitted liar in a book of fiction LOL

 
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September 1 2012, 8:35 AM 

Your're right! Davern has been caught in many lies.

 
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September 3 2012, 10:07 PM 

Whose lies are the most relevant to today's investigation by the cold case investigators ?? The lies Dennis told are years old under the guidance of the master manipulator, RJ, who seems to be staying out of the public eye these days.Don't even see him on reverse mortgage commercials or 2 and a Half Men or NCIS. Can't say his presence is missed because it only dredges up memories of his role in Natalie's death. His negligence that night was beyond belief. Are Marilyn Wayne and son also liars ?? If they heard the cries for help, surely those aboard the Spendour did too Why don't they all take or in Dennis'case RE-take lie detector tests in any controlled environment the investigators choose. Guess RJ feels too impervious to the law as he did that night and ever after....

 
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September 4 2012, 7:19 AM 

"Guess RJ feels" he has not been called in or questioned LOL. If he's called he will cooperate.

 
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