Hello!

I have a 20x24 room w/ a 6/12 cieling pitch where the lowest part of the cieling is 8'. So the apex would be around 13'. I had 16 sloped-cieling HALO cans scheduled to go in there in a 4-circuit quadrant design like this:

X X X X

X X X X

X X X X

X X X X

very straight forward, I thought. However - that was before framing was complete. I have had one lighting designer (with a taste for the modern) suggest that I have too many cans, my contractor said there were too many and several other people w/ less expierience suggested that there were too many.

This is the current suggestion:

X X

X X

X X

X X


The math seems to suggest that it will work if I use a 60 degree bulb - but I need to make sure.

If I use 8 cans here it will actually make things a LOT easier for me overall. Several other mitigating factors: track lighting is out, floor lamps are not an option and sconces - well, my wife can not find any that she likes :)

I have precious little time left before I must get up there and start installing these things. I need to hear from the voice of expierience in order to move forward comfortably.

Thanks!!

Jim

Hi Jim,

Before I answer there is a question you have to answer. How much light do you like. I have a customer who likes a lot of light and insisted on a layout that was probably a third more light than I think he needed. I know though that he is happy with the outcome and really does like a lot of light. So no matter what anyone else thinks you need to do whats best for you.

That said in my opinion with a room 20 feet wide and vaulted ceilings, 2 rows is a bit lean. The minimum I would layout is 3 rows. With three rows the lights would have 6 feet spacing and 4 feet off the walls. My goal in lighting a room for general lighting is to try and cover the entire floor area with good illumination, two rows I think will be too little.

Hope that helps

Paul

Light is not so much something that reveals, as it is itself the revelation.
James Turrell

Hey Paul!

I like plenty of light: it can always be dimmed. That being said: I am stuck with a symeytry dilema. I can't figure out how to do three rows, I would need to do four. four, however, gets me back into a wattage issue where I need to commit an additional circuit to the room, which may require me to install a sub-panel! Oh, what a world...

Sigh... What do you think of this: two rows of 60-75w bulbs positioned fcloser to the center with several walls sconces....

Hmmmm, it is a toughy.

Plus those sloped cans are a pain to come by, I need to special order them. I ordered 16 for that room and it turns out I need them elsewhere in the house.

Perhaps pictures will help? :)

Hmmmmmmmmm.....

And another topic altogether: do you know of any 5" sloped cans? I am using the HALO 6" IC ait-tite's.

Please let me know if you have any more thoughts on the subject!

Thanks!

Jim

Hi Jim,

   A picture or drawing may help. I am confused as to what the problem would be laying out 3 rows. 2 rows and wall sconces should be fine and even the 2 rows may be enough light for you. Off the top of my head I don't know of 5" sloped cans.

Paul 

http://ingenutech.com/addition/fr.jpg
http://ingenutech.com/addition/k.jpg (this will be up in a moment)

Hopefully that helps!

I just rearranged the lights to a potential configuration. I would still like to avoid sconces as we just can not find ones we like. The bottom right is a door, the other walls have windows in them. The lines in the middle and from top to bottom represent the potential layout of 6" pine beams that will be mounted flush to the ceiling.

Thanks again, Paul! :)

I'll post my kitchen too :)

Jim,

    I think your layouts look great. I have one thought when I look at the big room. What do you think about possibly placing one light in between the lights, meaning 3 on each side for a total of 6 more. You would probably have to pull the four back a little closer to the wall. One side would look like this.

                            O                      O                      O

          O                            O                       O                    O

Again remember, my focus is always on trying to get the best full coverage I can on the floor space. By no means is my way the only way. That's one of the beautiful things about lighting, it can suit your tastes. BTW the kitchen layot looks great.

http://ingenutech.com/addition/k2.jpg

I came here to post this new picture and you had suggested something similar.

In order to do this I needed to remove the center beam and adjust the remaining two so they are splitting the room into three pieces.

I will attempt to work your idea into the computer and see how it looks. Let me know what you think of this idea!

Thanks!

JIm

Hi Jim,

    Yes, that is along the lines of what I meant. It will give you the most spread with the least amount of lights. Good work!

Paul

Hi Jim -- I was reading your thread (for the benefit of those who come after, and all that), and your pictures are missing. Any chance you could put them back so that I can cheat off of your design :-)

Thanks!
-- Amanda