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Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 9 2012 at 10:06 PM

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They gave IHA a 1.25, tied with Super Saver for the slowest Derby in 10 years. Others ...

Bodemeister, 3
Dullahan, 1.75
Went the Day Well, 2.75
Creative Cause, 1.5
Liason, 3
Union Rags, 6
Rousing Sermon, 7
Hansen, 6.75
Daddy Slows Best, 7

 
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Re: Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 9 2012, 10:59 PM 

dsb...love that...roflmao V...

disagree w/a couple of those...like Elk's take on things..guess that's why he's resident champ...that AND the parakeet guy...hope he's ok...

 
 
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Re: Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 10 2012, 7:25 AM 

I think the #'s look okay.

IHA 3w3w given the same # for his Robert Lewis win.I have no problem with that.Both very solid races.

Bode 2w2w
Dull 3w4w
WTDW 3w3w
CC 3w5w Joel Rosario the new king of wide replacing Robby Albarado
Lia 4w5w 20 hole and no tactical speed difficult to avoid ground loss from there.



Hard part is figuring out how the pace and racing surface that day figured into the results and does it even mean anything for the Preakness.





    
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Re: Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 10 2012, 2:56 PM 

So I'll Have Another was the best horse in the 2012 Kentucky Derby based on the Thoro-Graph figs with Creative Cause 2nd? I guess the SA Derby was indeed the best prep race this year then. I can live with that.

 
 


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Re: Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 10 2012, 3:26 PM 

Anybody that would argue anything other than the west coast has the best three year olds this year is kidding themselves.

 
 


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Re: Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 10 2012, 6:53 PM 

Don't forget about Liason and Paynter. Clearly the SAD was the best Derby prep this year.

But it's a little early to declare SoCal superiority. Not much separated the top 5 Derby finishers. The West All-Stars, after absorbing a thorough whuppin' in the Juvenile last year, have jumped out to the early lead for 3YO bragging rights. But a lot of races remain to be run. I doubt the East All-Stars -- led by Dullahan, Went/Well, Rags and Hansen -- are gonna wave the white flag just yet.

 
 


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Re: Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 10 2012, 7:15 PM 

Vagrant- you give me Bode, IHA and CC and I'll give you any 4 east coast three year old runners and 3:2 odds for the rest of the year with key races being Preakness, Belmont, Travers, Jockey Club and BC. Usually, I have no affinity for anything out of the west coast but sprinters. This year? Different story.

Edited for goofy iPhone spelling.


    
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Re: Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 10 2012, 9:29 PM 

I'd have to agree the California contingent is stronger. For now.
They're literally in front with the East Coast horses hoping to come from behind.
But it's still early in the year and I'll wait through the Saratoga meet before waving any flags. Went The Day Well went the Derby pretty well in a wide trip just 1-2 paths inside of the wide trip CC got.

 
 


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Re: Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 10 2012, 9:39 PM 

I can't take sides against my main man Bodemeister, Jason. That would be sacrilege!

 
 

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Re: Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 10 2012, 11:58 PM 

Not to sound cynical but i have to wonder with the Tgraph boys having entered the industry as owners/consultants versus merely watching from the outside and giving reviews if there numbers arent more and more swayed or massaged to downplay events that they may not have exactly predicted by way of their prognostication........do you think maybe they didnt want some of these horses to be thought of that well. I believe i will trust my eyes. I give the top 3 or 4 higher numbers.

 
 


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Re: Thoro-Graph's Derby figs

May 11 2012, 7:53 AM 

The track was very fast. The final time was unremarkable (less than a half-second faster than average). I don't see how that adds up to a great speed figure.

1.25 isn't a bad fig. Doesn't matter anyway. This ain't gymnastics or figure skating. Judges don't decide who wins or loses. Horses do. IHA ran fast enough to hit the wire first. That's all that matters, right?

Besides, even if IHA got a negative-1.25, it doesn't change a thing. Everything is relative; the other horses' numbers would be faster too.

 
 
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