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Does anyone know if FP Journe is planning a new model

November 21 2006 at 3:33 PM
Roy Dornfeld  (Login rdornfeld)

I love the look of the Octa Lune and I find having chronograph functions very practical and helpful. Does anyone know if Journe might be planning an Octa Lune model with chronograph functions? I'm contemplating my next purchase.

TIA,

Roy

 
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SteveH
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I wouldn't hold your breath

November 21 2006, 3:40 PM 

That doesn't seem to fit within the product line. He already has a chronograph. No sense in cannibalizing an existing model.

 
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Marcel Philippe
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So says you.nt

November 21 2006, 6:34 PM 

nt

 
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alex
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you may be surprised.... (nt)

November 22 2006, 5:20 AM 

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asg
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You know....

November 22 2006, 8:16 AM 

I try to restrain Steve from writing things like this as it just doesnt' belong but you are getting really bothersome with your condescending tone and arrogant stance that you seem to know everything....

DO you meet with brand executives and know their thoughts?

DO you have any insight into what really goes on behind the scenes at Journe or any brand?

DO you even understand what the brand Journe represents? HAven't you sold both your Journes on the TZ?

If you have nothing good to say and if you dont have any evidence or rationalization behind your statements, keep them to yourself.

I hear from Journe staff that Montres Journe is developing something special for release in April or so....let's all keep out pants on and see how wrong Steve is.

Sorry Steve, but you set yourself up.....

Moderators - delete at will. My apologies....

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

asg

 
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bs22fly
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Cannibalizing NO! Improving YES!

November 25 2006, 12:48 AM 

One thing you can be sure is that accurate timekeeping remains central to any piece produced by FPJ. I can only guess what ever pursuit he takes on next will be even more precise.

 
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JC
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I think ......

November 22 2006, 3:29 PM 

.... we are in line to see something special soon. Brand new and exciting. Never done before (i think )

Think you should hang on for a little while and see...... after all i expect its not a necessary purchase (what is at theis level!) so if you can curb your craving to act now, I think you will have more to consider

 
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Roy Dornfeld
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April is not that far away

November 24 2006, 1:40 PM 

And this gives me something to look forward besides paying taxes.

Thanks to all for responding.

 
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stultus77
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Re: I've got some teasers from the Tokyo boutique as well...

November 26 2006, 10:01 PM 

...apparently it is a handwound chronograph with some groundbreaking features. The mystery deepens.

I wonder if the chronograph parts will be in rose gold as well.


- Daniel

 
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stultus77
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Re: One thing seems likely...

November 22 2006, 8:51 PM 

...even though I do not have any "insider" information about possible new models, if FPJ sticks to his previously announced strategy of not issuing any new product lines, the new model that some are hinting at would be based on one of the current product lines (e.g., Octa super-chrono or something).

To tell you the truth, after only 5 years of watch collecting I find that the increasing commercialism and me-too attitude of the major watch manufacturers has dulled my enthusiasim somewhat. I personally feel FPJ is refreshing different in many ways; now once again I have something to look forward to in April!!


- Daniel

 
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mostel
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But what could be more 'me-too' than

November 24 2006, 4:35 PM 

a solid gold movement?

 
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stultus77
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Re: Personally not a real fan of the solid gold movements...

November 25 2006, 12:01 PM 

...but what other modern manufacturers produce solid gold movements? I recall hearing that the JLC gold movements were gold plated.


- Daniel

 
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felipe
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Hi Daniel, the Reverso limited edition "60eme" was made of gold

November 26 2006, 8:36 AM 


and as far as I know that's the only one. The subsequent movements in the rose gold limited edition Reversos were plated.

 
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stultus77
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Re: Thanks for the reminder, Felipe, I forgot about the 60eme

November 26 2006, 12:07 PM 

I was thinking only of the limited edition of complicated reversos.

To follow up on the comment from mostel, since to my knowledge Journe is still the only manufacturer today making rose gold movements, I'm still not sure how that fact would suggest the move was an example of me-too behavior?

I'm sick of all the other brands jumping on the Resonance bandwagon as well. And I am going to be sick if I see one more I see a dead seconds remontoir tourbillion. A dime a dozen these days, I tell ya.


- Daniel

 
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felipe
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I totally agree

November 26 2006, 12:17 PM 

there is nothing "me too" about F.P. Journe, with the exception maybe of lots of limited editions like AP. But looking only at the engineering behind his watches I still think they have very refreshing pieces.

 
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mostel
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I find the solid gold movement almost an expression of

November 26 2006, 2:51 PM 

Journe's insecurity--as if the movement isn't important or glorious enough as a result of it's engineering merits alone...

 
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felipe
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Hi Mostel, that's one way to look at it

November 26 2006, 7:26 PM 


but maybe selecting "me-too" to describe this was not the best choice of words. One can speculate why he did it- It could be another selling point for his watches, it could be because he likes gold, it could be to demonstrate Montres Journe's ability to machine parts in-house, it could be just to be different. It could even be as you said because of insecurity (although I personally disagree and doubt this is the reason). F.P. Journe is very well liked in Geneva and the watchmaking community, and has won many awards for his work. "Insecure" isn't a word I would use to characterize him.

But whatever the reason you can hardly argue that he is following some other brand or industry trend to make gold movements. I think that's the point that Daniel was making before.

 
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mostel
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Felipe, I appreciate your insights and opinions.

November 27 2006, 12:45 PM 

Thanks for your very civil and well thought out reply. I think it's partcipants like you that give collecting a good name.

 
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Dje
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You're right Felipe, or nearly...

November 27 2006, 1:11 AM 

Hi,

Indeed the Reverso 60eme had a 14 carat pink gold calibre.

The 5 following pink gold ltd series had gold plated cal.

But then the Septantieme in pink gold and in platinum had 18 carat (pink gold or white gold) cal.

And the Reverso Platinum 2 (tourbillon) had an 18 carat white gold cal.

AFAIK that's all for now.

Thanks

Dje

 
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stultus77
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Re: Thanks for the clarification, Jerome

November 27 2006, 2:39 AM 

...but JLC doesn't count because they have such a wealth of technical and engineering resources that it just isn't fair.

Perhaps that is why I personally respect both JLC and Journe as the manufacturers who (along with A&P) have been turning out innovations on a consistent basis. As long as they keep it up, April will still be interesting for me.


- Daniel

 
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