hey i'm new to this forum.

Basically I've never had breasts not even lumps, its really getting me down and i'm currently doing hypnosis and massarge. However i have been in hospital for the last year due to an eating disorder, i have been gaining weight but none of it has gone to my chest area, mostly my stomach. Can anyone help me??

How old are you and how much do you weigh just now? Do you know your BMI?
To grow breasts you need all the right hormones and being underweight doesn't help that, our ovaries can shut down when we are too thin and that would hinder breast growth, which may be the reason why your boobs are underdeveloped.
You are doing well putting on weight and you should concentrate on that until you are normal weight, before that it will be difficult to grow boobs and it will be stress on top of trying to gain the weight.
You could try and take Fenugreek and Saw Palmetto, those help with weight gain and boob growth, but I don't think it is good to stress about something else while you are trying to get better.
If you get back to us with some of your statistics, how old you are, how much you weigh, your hight etc. we can maybe advise you on what would be good for you.
Keep going with the weight gain, you are doing well and try not to worry too much about your boobs, they weight will start to come back on your body around your stomach area and your thighs and probably last at your boobs, so don't get discouraged just yet.
Take care of yourself,
Lisa

You have the same constitution as me, some of us store everything on our belly. :( Anyway, if you decide to go on NBE, you have muuuuuuch to learn so read this forum frequently. NBE works, but without guarantees, so it's quite a challange. And for starters you should know that it depends on general health, so without a doubt get better and healthy. From then on decide if you are willing to give it a shot, but decide 100% that you are willing to do everything it takes, otherwise it will be a waste of time. Good luck!

thank you for your replies.

I'm getting frustrated as none of my weight gain ( and i have gained alot!) has gone to my chest, there is still nothing there! And I'm 17 :( I massarge and listen to a hypnosis Cd every night as i fall asleep and i massarge daily. I've been doing that for about 6 weeks now (maybe a little longer)

I cant use Coca butter as i'm allergic to it, lol it makes me itch like mad :D

Hi Faithfull, if you tell me your weight and height I could give you tips on what herbs to take.
You can also just buy wonderup, since you are only 17 chances are that this will work well for you and you won't have to buy the herbs singly.
You can try massaging with some lotion mixed with Fennel oil or extract, don't use too much though, and you can add Evening Primrose Oil as well.
Taking EPO internally as well as a good multivitamin is a good start for any BE program so you could go and try that for now, I am not saying that you will grow just on that now, it is just a good addition to any routine.
Try and eat healthy (I presume you are anyway) and try not to drink too much coffee or carbonated drinks.
Take care of yourself,
talk to you later,
Lisa

Hey thanx for your reply,

My height is 5'2 or 158cm and my weight is 37.8 kg. I'm unsure about taking herbs as i know they can do more harm than good sometimes, I would be open to using creams and lotions instead though. I already take a multivitamin and my diet is good.

Hi Faithfull, your BMI is only 15.0, 18.4 + is normal weight and below that it may very well be that your boob growth is hindered. I know you have gained a lot of weight already and that it must be hard but at that hight and weight it isn't surprising that you haven't put on much weight on your boobs yet. I think you need to be about 46 kilos to have a BMI of 18.4, then your boobs should start showing more too.
However, you can take Fenugreek as an appetite stimulant and Saw Palmetto makes you gain weight too AND grow boobs. You can ask your doctor if it would be safe for you to take those. They are herbs that have been used for a long time safely and you can try them at low dosages, they do help with weight gain and with growing boobs.
While you have a BMI much lower than 18 it will be hard to gain boobs with or without herbs. I lost weight and had a BMI of about 17 a while ago and my boobs shrank right back down. I am near a BMI of 18 again and my boobs are getting bigger and bigger.
Otherwise, drink some Fennel tea, that helps with boob growth too, make sure you maybe get protein in your diet as well.
Are you using Complan or something similar to help you gain weight? That is very good for getting protein and vitamins into your diet so if you aren't already using something like this you could try and add it to your diet if you wanted to.
Good luck,
Lisa

My BMI before my ED was only 16.5 and i'm not planning on going over that. I'm not really keen to take tablets as i'm 17 so i dont want to make things worse. Where do you get fenel tea from? I've not seen it about. What does it taste like? My protein is good already and my recent bloods showed that it was a little high. I dont have complan or suppliments like that as i dislike milk.

I really dont understand this, and its getting frustrating, as soon as people know that i'm in treatment for an ED its to blame for everything. I dont understand it when there are loads of girls out there who have a BMI lower than mine but yet still have A/B cup boobs! Why hasnt any of my weight gain gone to my chest its all going to my tummy and i hate it, my podgy stomach is getting noticable.

i sort of know where you are coming from on less of a scale. i did gymnastics until i was 18... talk about a sport focused on your weight (nice leotards, ladies) and body shape and plus very hard on the body in general with the cardio and the different muscle groups. when i went to college i quit gymnastics and... well... got lazy. i did some dance classes, karate, but any weight i put on wasnt going to my boobs anyway!

about a year or two later, with me doing nothing, my body finally realized what was going on and i grew some small boobs... big a, maybe a small b... while i hiked around trying to work off my tummy. i was around 19 by then, spending most of the teen years in the a range. it really depends on how long you had the disorder and how long you have been at the "recovered" level, like your desired bmi. my bmi is still pretty low, so i take extra protein (even if your body says its high, its what herbs and such interact with and some of the amino acids are what makes the boobs "wake up"). i exercise almost every day, but something is happening anyway. im at about a c cup now! but then, im on pills...

since you dont want to do pills, try massaging, but massage with something like flax seed oil or borage oil to put the fatty acids where you want them. have a look at tigerlily's program, as she took no pills and i dont think she used cocoa butter at all. she ate some interesting stuff, but it worked for her...

dont get down about it, or about yourself. everyone on this board is here for self-improvement... and being negative and getting frustrated and stressing about it only makes everything that much slower...

hugs and good boobie wishes...

I've seen some of the food things but i've never even heard of most of the things people recommend and also i probably wouldnt be able to do that as i have so many people going on about food and crap like that to me constantly.

Where do you get the lotions from? how much do they cost etc....

Sorry i've pritty much winged throughout this whole thread!

well the foods... they ARE full of fats, so your food watchers should be okay! thats why she ate them. plus the "yin" and the "yang" foods she talks about (that is something you have to research or look around for... she has talked about them a few times. yang is good, yin is bad). where are you from? i think she posted somewhere a list of good boobie foods... and things like papaya you can even take in capsule form!

creams... i can use cocoa butter, but i also use epo or borage. you can buy borage oil or flaxseed oil probably at your local supermarket or wherever would sell vitamins. they are pretty common. i would suggest those two instead of epo anyway... flaxseed oil is pretty cheap...

hugs and good boobie wishes!

Hi Faithfull --

I am in my thirties now, but when I was your age, I also had an eating disorder. I was very, very thin and stopped menstrating. Of course I had no boobs at all.

When you are that thin, it's really hard to have any boobs at all because your body fat is so low. If you want to grow boobs, I think you will have to be willing to gain some more weight. It is said, I think that if one has a BMI of less than 19, then NBE won't work.

The ladies who suggested WonderUp may be right...It would be easy for you to take, and may help you to gain some more weight. I also like Dong Quai a lot...it is a great herb for balancing hormones.

I hope this helps and best of luck to you!

Cocoa butter w/ vitamin E is pretty easy to find, actually. I found some online @ Bath & Body Works, The Body Shop, and my local vitamin/organic food store. Check it out:

The Body Shop (http://www.thebodyshop.com/bodyshop/index.jsp)
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[Cocoa Butter & Vitamin E lotions]
* Vitamin E Body Butter = $18
* Vitamin E Nourishing Night Cream = $14.50


Bath & Body Works (http://www.bathandbodyworks.com/home/index.jsp)
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[Cocoa Butter & Vitamin E lotions]
* Jaqua >> Sinfully Rich Cocoa Body Butter (Mint Chocolate) = $22
* 100% Pure >> Blood Orange Shea Body Butter = $18

[Evening Primrose & Vitamin E lotions]
* Breathe >> Intense Hydration Body Cream (Lavender & Vanilla Milk) =$18.50


Herbie's Naturals (http://herbiesnaturals.com/)
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[Cocoa Butter & Vitamin E lotions]
* Mountain Ocean >> Mother's Special Blend = $15
* Jason Natural >> Cocoa Butter hand & body lotion = $8

well i dont think you should take fennel tea, it makes me loose my appetite, it is a appetite deppressant.

if you dont want to take pills, drink tea anise is in the same family as fennel and is a appetite stimulant, you can also try some breastfeeding tea. both fennel and anise tea taste a little like liquarice. I would also massage my breast with some drops of fennel oil mixed with a cream. That helped me a lot.

My BMI has never been above 16.5, and thats long before i got an ED!! My aim is to get there and stay there...

I havnt had a peroid in 3 years so i guess that they would be delayed in returning anyways. I have gained ALOT of weight, just none of it has gone to my boobs. The food i wouldnt be able to do as i'm supposed to be following a diet plan so that wouldnt work. I'm not sure about using the herbs as i'm scared they would mess my body up even more. I've seen evening primrose tablets before but not the cream. It always says its for women who are near or going through the menopause though....the same with what i've seen about dong qui. I just want my weight gain to go to my chest, without resorting to herbs and totally messing my body up. I'm not even that badly underweight i know there are probably people on here with lower BMI's than me

i know it is not easy when everybody is saying "put on weight girl" We dont know how you look like and we all have very different bodyshapes so BMI does not actually say that much. As long as you eat right and healthy and are in good shape and you get your period back than dont think about how much you weight. the clue right now is to get your peroid back and to get your hormones balanced. if you are stressing your period wouldt come back. Try just to do things you like and love your self and everything else will fall on place.

i wish it was that simple, i cant stop stressing out as i do have other issues aswell and i'm hardly allowed to do anything.

I've never seen breastfeeding tea, where do you get if from? I havnt clue where to get any of the oils either, i've never seen them in shops. Are they available on the net?

Faithfull, I know this is very hard, and that gaining weight is very hard. I never had an ED but I do have trouble eating sometimes I never have much of an appetite and have to watch that I do remember to eat.

The reason why people talk about you gaining more weight and having a higher BMI is only because with being that low in weight your boobs are really physically very unlikely to grow. If you speak to your doctors they will confirm that.

If you have not had your period in three years this shows that your ovaries have shut down. Your ovaries are what provide you with the essential hormones for breast growth. You really need them to start functioning again, before then it is unlikely that your boobs will get bigger, even if you are gaining weight elsewhere.
If you aren't going to increase your BMI over at least 17.5 it still will be hard to grow boobs, it is very doubtful they will become much bigger than they were before you lost the weight, even with massages.
As was said above, you really need some amount of body fat for it to accumulate in your boobs, and that will be likely to be the last place where you will put it on. That is the only reason why people go on about you needing to gain weight, not because you have an ED. That is none of our business, and I think you have done so well for gaining weight again and for keeping it up!

Even if you look at people like Nicole Richie who have lost vast amounts of weight they lose their boobs too and I don't believe there are many underweight people that do have a natural A or B cup. If they do, they are likely to have had a D cup before losing weight.

Most things you need you can find in herbal health stores, teas are common to be found in health food stores such as Holland and Barrets if you are in the UK, or online. You can use any kind of lotion to massage your boobs with, and Fennel oil or extract is available online. EPO you can buy in capsule form and just open them and apply the oil to your boobs. Just don't use more than 500mg per boob per day.

Good luck with all of this!

Lisa

My BMI has never been over 16.5 though and there are loads of people who i can think of who have natural A/B cups and are underweight....Paris hilton, Mishca Barton, kate moss etc. A BMI of 17.5 is a full stone over what i'm aiming for and i cant do that. I will look as big as a house, i'm just built to be that big, even my family agrees with me on that.

I've not seen the teas people have mentioned in shops before, i have seen a detox tea though which has Licorice,cinnamon cassia, burdock root, ginger, danelion, fennel seeds, anis, junier berries, coriander, cardimon, black pepper, parsely, sage, cloves and tumerric in it. Would that be any good?

Where is the best place to buy things online from and does anyone know the average cost?

Thank you for all of your replies. Sorry i've been winey

Sorry also is there anything i can do to help me gain my peroids back as quickly as possible apart from doing what i already am?

Taking specific herbs may help get your periods back, maybe taking EPO internally. It isn't just for women who are in menopause, if you google and read up on it you will find that, but you should ask your doctor first before taking it.
Your period will come back when your body is ready, and you may find that you will need to gain a little more weight than what you are planning to for it to do so, since in the past three years presumably you should have grown a bit as well, which means your average weight should be higher too.
I don't believe that the girls you have listed all had a BMI as low as 16.5 when they were young and grew their breasts, which is the time when it matters. If you lose the weight afterwards you may still keep some fat in your breasts, but you will notice that usually everyone that loses weight loses it in their breasts too, if they don't they are either very abnormal or have gotten implants.

How big were your breasts before the weight loss? It is just very unlikely that at your age and with being low in weight they will grow much more than the size they were before.
You really are best speaking to a doctor about these issues, they will be able to explain to you how breast growth happens, when it usually does, and how much a person needs to weigh to gain back fat in their boobs. The same goes for getting back your periods. My guess is that you see your doctor regularly and you really should consult with them regarding these issues. It may be embarrasing but it is a natural concern and I am sure they have heard it more than once or twice before. Don't be embarrassed because they will be able to give you all the facts you need to know.

I still don't know where you are living, depending on the country you are in there are different places online that are best for buying herbs and teas. If you go onto google you will be able to find prices and places yourself, just type in the teas you are looking for and check out which would be cheapest for you.

Even though the herbs in that detox sound good I am not sure if it would be advisable to drink that, I believe detoxing can aid weight loss, which isn't exactly what you want.
You really should consult your doctor or dietritian with whatever extra you add to your diet, may it be teas or anything else.

I would really advise you to try and not worry about your breasts while you are trying to get back to the weight you were before. When you have gotten there you can still try and increase your breast size, at the moment I believe it will cause you more stress than good.

Growing breasts with NBE is a long and frustrating process. If you check out my pictures and how long it has taken me to grow just that amount and compare my progress with others, who may have a higher BMI than me, generally they gain breasts faster. Look at Christina's pictures for example, she was on about the same program as me and she grew fast and big in a short while. I am thinner and have taken so much longer and am still struggling to get to a full A cup.
If you ask the ladies around here they will all confirm that generally it is a very frustrating process, even if you do grow, and that it can add to stress, which in itself hinders growth, and I don't believe you should have at the moment.

Good luck,
Lisa

I've never had breasts EVER! It sucks, i cant talk to a doctor about it simply because they couldnt give a crap about that as long as i eat they couldnt care. They didnt give two hoots when i broke my foot.

I'm from the UK, still i havnt seen any of the lotions people have mentioned in shops, so i'd probably have to get hold of them from the net.

I'm sorry for the problems you have Faithful, but what you want is impossible. A BMI of 16,5 is still underweight as I expect you know. You can't expect to have boobs at that weight, it's physically impossible. Paris Hilton is skinny, but I'd dare to bet her BMI is higher than that, and she has silicon boobs if I'm not mistaking anyway. With the best intention, I'd give you this advice, if you care to take it, otherwise leave it no harm done: Start being realistic. YOU should care about yourself, instead of expecting doctors to. Sure, it's their job, but it's your life. Why should the doctors care more for your health than you do? In the end, it's you who is harmed if you are ill, like it's you who should care the most about getting better, becasue it's you who will benefit from it. So it's also your responsabilty to get better, like it's yours if you hurt yourself.
I do wish you lots of success in your treatment.

i have seen what paris hilton has and its all push up bra! she made one so well she is actually going to have her own line of lingerie. and like when lindsay lohan is underweight she looks to have no more than an a cup. but at a healthy weight, boy she's got enviable d's at the least! i now u its hard to gain weight i myself have gained 18 lbs in the last 4 months. i had gotten down to 103lbs. not good as i am 5'4". but i feel better now i dont know what my bmi is but i still want to gain 10lbs.

Faithfull, unfortunately I can only echo what Moon says, it is unrealistic to grow boobs at such low weight.

Regarding the lotions, there is no ready made lotion, people are talking about mixing normal lotion such as dove lotion from the shops with some Fennel oil or extract as I explained above. The oils and extracts you can buy online or at Holland and Barretts.

not all models and actresses are what they seem. alot of tape for cleavage, silicond pads. push up bras. padding of all sorts. keep ur head up. i hope u get ur period soon. and ur hormones start doing their job!

Models may have tit tape and things but they still have something to make a clevage from, i dont have that! Even you have admitted lindsey lohan was an A cup was she had a BMI lower than 16.5, and 16.5 is not an unhealthy underweight. I know this would be a different story if i hadnt been honest and said i'm in treatment. There are people on here who have said that they are underweight and they havnt had 'its impossible' 'gain weight'. I've gained alot of weight and i'm not skin and bones anymore like alot of you probably think by me saying that i've had an ED

The point is that Lindsay Lohan had boobs BEFORE she lost the weight and kept some of that boobage, and by all means has lost a LOT of her previous cleavage.
You say your breasts have never grown in the first place and all we are saying is that it is unlikely that they will grow while you are underweight and don't have your period.
Anyone coming on here has been told that it is harder to grow breasts with a BMI lower than 19, you can check for that. Therefore the advice we have been giving you has nothing to do with your ED but simply with you being underweight and having such a low BMI.
Also I don't know of anyone on here who had a BMI lower than 17 and has had boob growth.
I lost pretty much most of what I had grown when my BMI went down to 17.2, and I have only gained it back and more since my BMI has been 17.9 and I am still looking to gain four more pounds and am hoping that my boobs will grow better then.

I actually work in the entertainment industry and I can tell you this:

1. What you see on tv and in magazines is not real. The people who work in this industry do incredible things with photo and video editing. In reality, celebrities are real people with real bodies, just like the rest of us. As an example, does anyone really believe that Beyonce has a beautiful curvy body WITHOUT any cellulite? Of course not. She's beautiful, yes, but she's definitely got cellulite, just like anyone with that body type (and most women). But you will never see it in photos of her because they are retouched.

2. Lindsay Lohan had a major boob job and then later had them removed. I am not sure, but I think she now has them replaced. That's why you see the difference.

3. A lot of women who appear to have B or C cups wear silicone pad inserts in their bras. Remember Julia Robert's boobs in Erin Brockovich? This is extremely common, so again, you cannot believe what you see.

In your case, Faithful, it sounds like you never actually developed your breasts because of the eating disorder. A person's body fat percentage has to reach a certain point to trigger breast development. Since you were underweight during your puberty years, this was not triggered. The continued absence of your period indicates that you still do not have enough weight and fat for your hormones and body to function properly. This is actually quite dangerous (as I'm sure you know).

The ladies are right -- it is impossible for you to grow breasts until the underweight condition is fixed and you are menstrating again. When I had this problem, years ago, I went to a naturopath who gave me supplements and just plain old good advice about what to eat (think lots of fat). I started menstrating again and eventually my breasts got bigger. You will want to address the underlying issues first, and then I would think that since breast development was never triggered, that NBE would actually be a very good route to go, to try to trigger that now. However, you will have to have a BMI close to 19 AND be menstrating again.

Best of wishes to you, I know its hard.

No matter how many models managed to keep an A cup after loosing a lot of weight, that doesn't make your chances any better. Sure, there is a possibility that you'll grow boobs being undeweight, but it is a very slim chance. I think everthing is worth a try if you can benefit from it, no matter how little likely. It's just not reasonable to expect it with such certainity and then get frustrated if it doesn't work, when you didn't really help to make your chances any better.
A significent difference between loosing weight after having boobs and having always been underweight is that in the second case, your body never even entered puberty well, you never developed breasts. Your hormones levels are a lot lower than they averagely are at individuals your age. Additionally, most of us here have small boobs in our genes - our bodies developed as good as they could on their own in normal conditions and we are now trying to alter the conditions to boost them a bit further. Your body doesn't have the conditions to develop, but you might as well have genes good enough for a C cup.

i seriously suggest u to get higher BMI if you ever want to cincider having babies !!!

I dont want to have babies, and i cant anyways. I had my peroids for a while so puberty was obviously triggered at some point. I'm sorry this post has turned into stuff about celecritites and the media, and sorry for bugging you all

Don't be sorry Faithfull but keep in mind it's true what most ladies are telling u here. Oh and been there done that. I used to be in a point when i was so damn happy being 48 kg and 171cm but in fact i looked awful, just bones and skin. Luckily i realised that in time (started to lose my periods) and i'm 55kg now and still too skinny according to the majority. I think the problem is in your head and it's the hardest part to fix. Looking like a superstar is not a idea of our lives, it's so much more. Im wondering myself these days (since i'm completely flat and no growth after 3rd month) that maybe putting on a bit more would help. But i just so much like myself the way i am apart from the breast of course.

Well anyway i just wish you don't jeopardise your health cos once u realise it might be too late.

All the best
Bonnette

A few posts up you made this comment "I dont understand it when there are loads of girls out there who have a BMI lower than mine but yet still have A/B cup boobs!" I don't think its there bmi's that are lower then yours. There is such a thing called "skinny fat", it would surprise you how many "skinny" girls actually have very high bmi's. So unless you know for sure about there bmis, I would guess its more an assumption because of their size ~ which I think we have all thought along that way before. My husband had a bmi this summer of 12.5, and let me tell you, if you saw him you wouldn't have thought that. He weighed close to 210lbs ~ now he is down to 195lbs, but his bmi is up around 20. Your bmi has more to do with your muscle to fat ratio and thats it. If you were to go to a gym for training, the would try to keep your bmi between 18-20% because thats healthy.

Most of the sites, even the scam ones, suggest a bmi of around 19%, and thats not really fat.

None of the responses you got have anything to do with your treatment for the eating disorder. If you have the time and read through various posts from way back, then you will see that its suggested many times over to women who don't have eating disorders. The ladies here have been completely truthful and honest, giving you the same treatment as they would anyone else.

I think that maybe you need to continue your treatments, I hate sounding like this, but I am saying it in a very loving way, the way I would my closest friends, it just seems that you still have some issues that need to be worked out, namely the fear of gaining weight. You can get through this and be much happier, but only you can do it. No one else here can change your mind, we can only be supportive, but the suggestions made are the truth and thats that.

All anyone wants to do is help you out, you aren't bothering anyone; I think the majority would agree with that. Please don't give up, and feel free to continue posting your questions.

Best Wishes to You,
Henri

Sorry henri, i know your trying to make a point but i dont get what you said about your husband. BMI is worked out by the height and weight, so i dont understand how he can weigh that much and have a BMI of 12.5, i was in hospital being NG fed at that BMI!! Anyways being at my goal is not that unhealthy, my dietian has even told me so. It is underweight but not an unhealthy one.

Ok back to subject, any way of 'trying' to gain some sort of breasts WITHOUT resorting to herbs as i've been told lots of times it can mess my body up even more

Faith full, I think she mains percentage of body fat instead of BMI.
I also had an eating disorder when I was your age, know what you're going through..

Good luck!

Hi Faithful,

By now i can imagine your frustrated because you have been told its "impossible" to grow breasts at your bmi/weight etc.I wish i could contradict every one and say different but im afraid i can't,Lisa etc have given you some really great advice but most of all they have told you the truth-Its hard not hearing what you would like some time, essecially when its somthing you want so badley.

But to make you feel better-Its hard enough to do NBE when yourv got fat-Loads of people have failed, others gained abit,Some its took months some years.

I think youv had the right idea from the start-Doing your massage and hypnosis-Keep doing that for a while -Add other ingredients to your "Boobie batter" that are renound in NBE eg-Borage oil-Loads of the herbs are available in oils and creams-Im from the UK so if you go to my PPages i will list all the places i got my stuff from for you.
p.s-Try a heat bag-Iv got a giraffe from BHS-Just don't let family members see, you breast feeding toy giraffes would look very odd-Lol

Good luck Chick

Ginger D is right, you can do all those things, also try visualising your ovaries starting to work again, producing eggs and getting your period, because until you have that again all the massages are unlikely to work.
The point of the massages is to increase blood flow and with that the hormones going to your breasts, since there aren't a lot of hormones being produced by your body because your ovaries have shut down the massages probably won't make much of a difference by themselves just now.

Try and gain what you want to gain, get your period back on track and then think about your boobs getting bigger.
Ask your dietritian with how much body fat you are likely to have bigger breasts as well. Even though he/she says that a BMI of 16.5 isn't bad underweight it may be that at that weight you are unlikely to gain fat in your breasts. Just consider that and speak to him/her about it and don't stress about your boobs until you have reached your goal weight.
Get better and then you can take the next step and concentrate on your boobs.
Visualisation and hypnosis is good for the whole mind and body and I would concentrate on reducing stress with deep breathing and visualising gaining weight, your period and getting better in general and lastly on your boobs growing because they are relient on the rest of you being better.
Take care of yourself.

I am sorry, I did get the bmi and the body fat confused. I don't know what I was thinking.

I still hold to that 16.5 is underweight, and am not sure why your dietrician is saying its healthy, if I am told that my bmi is 18 and I am unhealthy. I guess each dr. is different.

I still hold to what I said earlier about the weight issue needing to be worked out.

How do you visualise ovaries and things working? Is it you just sort of tell yourself that it working and things. sorry i'm pritty stupid.

For the record i'm not trying to dismiss what people are saying to me, i know even if i do get boobs they wouldnt be big, which doesnt bother me i'd just like something to fill out a bra for once.

I will have a look around for herbal cremes and things. I do actully have some wild yam cream from ages ago. Would it be worth a try?

thanx you for clearing things up about the BMI thing, i did get a bit confused by what she said lol

I understand it now henri, lol sorry for being so thick.

I understand what your saying though, my dietian does say it still unweight, just not a really unhealthy underweight. I suppose it depends on what some people view 'unhealthy as' some people will say that anything in the 'underweight area' is unhealthy while others will say that its ok to be a little underweight.

Yes, just concentrate on the area, maybe look at some anatomy pictures so you know what it looks like and is meant to be doing exactly and then at night or so lying in your bed think about your ovaries, where they are and that they start to get active etc.
You aren't thick and you don't have to apologise.

As for the unhealthy or healthy underweight, I guess that your dietritian is probagbly focusing on you getting as good as you can get at the moment and concentrating on your achievable goals, and a 16.5 is a lot healthier than a 14 for example. There is not a wrong or right here I think or a healthy and unhealthy, it is all dependent on the individual and what they can realistically achieve at the moment.
Faithfull keep going the way you are, do the visualisation but really don't just concentrate on your boobs getting bigger, think about your whole body getting bigger and to the way it was before.
"Just" filling a bra isn't as simple as you may think, look at my pictures and where I started and I am still barely filling an A cup now, and it took me ages with taking herbs.
I don't want to discourage you, just focus on what you can do just now, which is getting back to your usual weight and getting healthier with your ovaries working again.

I will give that a try. How long should i try it for?

People keep mentioning to look at others pics and things but where are they? I havnt seen any that are posted in threads? Sorry its probably another stupid question

Hey Faith no question is stupid-If you go to the main page button then scrowl down there are all the picture pages, massage techniques,resources etc there

thank you, i just thought it was me being braindead again! Thank you :)

People differ in the rate of their metabolism, the ways and places of storing fat etc, which can result in significent differences in their body built and BMIs, but which are all still healthy. Some people are naturally more skinny, while others more chubby. That is also the reason why some women think they are fat - they are naturally inclined to store more fat. But while you normally live, eat and excercise, you are in your optimal shape and loosing weight in that case is already less healthy. You are fat only when you eat too much and/or unhealthily. Just like you are underwirght as long as you eat too litle, regardless of your BMI. If I'm not mistaking the standard is 2500 calories a day, so if you consume exactly that much have a BMI of 16,5 you are healthy, but if you don't you are not no matter how high you BMI is. Although scientifically, it's not likely to have that low BMI with adequate nutrition, becasue the ammount of fat stored at that BMI is lower than the equilibrium value determined by the body's basal metabolism.
As harsh as it sounds Faith Full, but if you believe that at BMI of 17,5 you'd be as big as a house, you have more serious problems than the lack of boobs. The lack of boobs is only a side offect of the problem. Think about it - if you solved the problem, all the side effects would go away on their own automatically. But if you refuse to solve the problem and insist in dealing with every side effect separately, that only drains you of energy, stresses you out and is in the end inefective. You can't be sucessful in your goals if you refuse to accept facts for what they are - facts, becasue refusing them doesn't make them any less real.
Sorry if this sounded agressive, it was just sth from before that I forgot to say. I'm certainly not saying you shouldn't go for your goals, the opposite. A BMI of 16,5 is of course a good start and first goal. Then when and if it becomes a more realistic goal, go for the boobs. But most things in life have an order that unfortunately can't be jumped over.

The government reccommendations in the uk for women is 2000 per day and 2500 for men.

Im cant solve all my problems at once, otherwise i wouldnt be in the position i'm in. Also my ED isnt out of vanity i have been in treatment for other things that arnt physical since i hit my teens. I actully asked for suggestions not lectures about BMI's and stuff which is what this post has turned into. Sorry for starting it i've obviously upset some people

dont take it that way. i hope u do hav luck with the massages and visualizations. u have way more information at ur disposal than i could have ever wished for at ur age. i'm jealous! lol. but seriously we all mean well and keep us updated. so maybe we can tell other younger women what works and what doesn't. keep at it. and the whole visualization i would give it a good 2-3 months, try envisioning ur boobs growing after ur massage, while laying down. hope this helps.

Faithfull,

I don't think anyone is upset with you. Most of us are ladies quite a bit older than you, and some of us have been through similar experiences (myself included) and can really sympathize with what you are going through. Believe me, we are really just trying to help you, even though sometimes it may sound like a lecture. (Gosh, I sound just like my mother!)

Please realize that there is a great possibility (even a likelihood) that you can and will grow some breasts, whether they turn out to be an A cup or a B cup or who knows what. Your body will normalize once you start gaining more weight and you will grow breasts that match your overall body fat/ bmi...If you stay very, very thin, then you will have very, very small breasts...if you acheive a normal weight, then your breasts will be larger. But all of this will happen once your body normalizes, and a good sign of that will be the return of your periods. Also, you may need a little hormonal/herbal nudge from a good doctor or naturopath to get your system back on track. But the weight gain is the key issue.

Moon is right when she says that the lack of boobs is only a symptom...the lack of periods is actually a more serious symptom, and you can use both of these to gauge your overall health. Actually, the ED is just a symptom too. I know when I had my ED, the real underlying cause was serious depression, a desire to control my life, and a neurotic fear of food. All of these things can really benefit from accepting the help of a good, caring counselor. I'd also get off of dietary things that over-stimulate the nervous system, like caffeine and excessive sugar.

Best of luck, we are all wishing you the best.

Sorry if i sounded aggressive, i shouldnt really have posted it sorry!

I do have other issues, like i have been diagnosed with manic depression since i was 13, and i have alot of issues in my past. I'm unsure i'd get my peroids back anyways as i've not had them for 3 years and i've also been told its a miracle if i have children.

I would like some breasts just to feel feminine and not something inbetween like i look now. Just something to fill out a bra would be nice. I've been doing the massarge and hypnosis for about a month and a half or maybe two months now. I havnt noticed any physical change but i do get a tingling sometimes. What would be the best thing to start at the moment? I cant really talk to anyone from the hospital about it, so it would be a secret thing like it is now. I suppose its just a waste of time though, my weights not really been going anywhere apart from my stomach which sucks as i'd rarther is was being even, or on my chest *sigh* anyways i'll stop rambling. Sorry

alot of the girls here dont get tingles. thats a start. not that u need to experience tingles for growth. but most that have tingles are getting there! keep it up, sounds like something might be happening.

Hey Faith, I feel you on the whole "weight going to my stomach but not my boobs" thing. It's so frustrating! I'm a pretty petite girl so I kinda figure that I wouldn't have huge breasts, but at least a *little* fat could go to my chest area, right?? Nooo Mother Nature decides she wants my fat to go to my stomach and my thighs. *Sigh* -_-;; Oh well, we can't always get what we want and we all can't be perfect... god, life's a bitch sometimes! haha

That does give me a little hope, thanx diana.

I'm the same miss, all my weight seems to mostly go to my stomach and thighs but nowhere on my chest :'(

I have some wild yam cream from ages ago. Would it be a good idea to start using it aswell? Also i've been thinking about getting some of those tablets for women going to through the menopause. would that be a good idea?

Thank you all for all of your replies, they are very much appriciated :)

i am just letting u know what happened to me while using it. i have the 14% wild yam cream. i would put it on my breasts beford my massages, and in my massages. i massage 3x a day. this was way too much. it says on the jar 1/4 - 1/2 tsp 2 x a day. i was supposed to have gotten my period on the 5. i started spotting on the 6th. and on the 7th, 8th and my period finally started on the 9. it didnt even seem likd a p'd.dark brown at times. then it stopped the 15th.a day after i stop using wy so much

The cream i have is 7% wild yam with aloe and vit.E and the brand is good 'n' natural. Its says to use 1/2 to 1/4 teaspoon twice daily. when would be best to do this? When i get up and before i go to bed? before and after a massarge? (i only massaerge once a day though.

Is it a good idea to start taking supplements for menopausal women?

Don't get pessimistic, Faith Full! The period will come when you've gained enough weight, you're probably not that far from getting it. It's normal and natural (although annoying) that the gained body fat is going in other areas like stomach and thighs first, so it does with all women. Breasts get bigger due to weight gain more in the case when one gets a bit overweight. With the skinny to normal consititution, we play on the hormones to achieve NBE. Just try to make yourself be ready and motivated to deal with your problems, set high demands for yourself and you will become more succesful and more confident. As for the boobs, the tingles are deffinitely a good sign. This is the sign that tells us who are on routines that they are working. You only need your period back, from then on it probably won't be hard to make your boobs grow, with the help of NBE, if not on their own even.

Thanks for the replies!

I've been having the discharging stuff (lol bet you all wanted to know that!) but its not blood coloured or anything. Dunno if it means anything though!

Does anyone think its a good idea for me to take a supplement made for women in the menopause to help things?? Is it worth using my wild yam cream even though it a pritty low dose?

Thanks for the replies!

I've been having the discharging stuff (lol bet you all wanted to know that!) but its not blood coloured or anything. Dunno if it means anything though!

Does anyone think its a good idea for me to take a supplement made for women in the menopause to help things?? Is it worth using my wild yam cream even though it a pritty low dose?

Are you talking about taking something in order to start your period. I don't know, but you aren't going to have a period with the likely very low percentage body fat you have. Your Fat cells play a large role in the production of estrogen which is responsible for endometiral growth, and without many fat cells, you lack estrogen, so you won't be shedding any endometrial lining which is what your period consists of. You can try getting on BCP but I think you've already mentioned you don't want that. Anyway, a surefire way to get your period is to gain more weight. Funny thing, you are asking for periods, while many of us don't want periods. I wish I didn't have to deal with that crap on a monthly basis.
On the same note, just after reading this post yesterday, I got online a few hours later to check my mail, and on the front of the MSN page was a story about a Brazilian model who'd just died because of either bulimia or anorexia. Don't remember which one. Anyway, it was a little weird and maybe you've heard about it. She was 5'8' and weighed only 88lbs. Pretty sad. Hope you are seeing a psychiatrist or some mental health professional about your situation because it is deadly serious. I am actually going into psychiatry and in a less than two years I'm sure I will be dealing with girls with your issue. Hang in there, and get healthy, because as much as you want to believe that a BMI of 16.5 is ok, that's a false belief.

she had a bmi of 14 her kidneys shut down she had gotten down to 85 lbs. at 5'7". wow. her mom is just beside herself. she only ate apples and tomatoes!

I'm fully aware of all the problems, my bmi went a low way below 14 and my heart was skipping beats, and my kidneys were about the fail. My liver is now messed up and its apparently going to be a miracle if i have children. i have been in and out of therapy since i was 12 with manic depression and I've spent the last year in hospital. I still see a community nurse, therapist, dietitan and pshysologist. Anything else you want to have a go at me about? I'm not completely stupid as you think. My dietian has told me that 16.5 is ok so i'm not a lier. I came on here to ask for suggstions and i get people having a go at me for saying i've had an eating disorder - yea thanks but i'm aware of all the crap that goes with it. I'm not as vain as you think i didnt just wake up one day and ask to be the way i am or to go through what i have. I do eat and i can guartantee i eat a hell of alot more than any of you on here. I have gained alot of weight and i do have body fat . In fact most of my bones dont even stick out anymore and are hardly visable.

yes i've heard about the model that walked off the catwalk and had a heart attack and many more stories like that, i dont need lecturing or for people to have a go at me for it. I didnt want to be the way i am and i didnt ask to be. In fact i didnt even know anything about it until i was admitted to hospital so it was not a lifestyle i chose or wanted. Thanks for reminding me what a waste of space i am

I think you are being too critical of the comments the girls are making. They weren't attacking you, or mocking you, they weren't belittling, or anything, except showing there concern. You need to cool down. The reality of it is, you don't like the answers you are getting, so you are trying to throw it all back at them, and that isn't going to happen. Everyone is sympathetic to you, and are here to help, but you won't listen. If you started this thread and said nothing about an eating disorder, you would get the same answer about trying to bring your weight up. Try reading back through the beg pages of this forum and you'll find various threads that confirm this.

No one is saying you are a liar about what your dietrician told you. We just find it very odd that you would be encouraged to stay at that bmi, because its "healthy", when we all know that its not the healthiest weight, I could see the encouragement to not drop the weight anymore, but to me it sounds like, that because your dietrician told you it was healthy, you have no plans of ever increasing it; and thats when it gets scary, because there are still other issues that need to be addressed. Its good to hear that you are seeking help from a multitude of drs. But Rome wasn't built in a day, and its going to be while before you completely work through all this, and thats not being rude, cold, or cruel, thats the truth.

The suggestion that everyone is giving you, is to have a successful go with NBE, your weight is going to play a huge factor, and no one is saying to gain an ungodly amount of weight, just bring it up a little more then where it is at. There are many girls that have done that.

Another thing, until you get your hormones back in sync, it would be my strong recommendation that you avoid taking anything internal, because your body needs to heal itself, and start functioning properly again; or you give your drs. a complete list of everything you are taking and the amounts; so you can be monitored ~ only because there your body still isn't functioning normally and to me that is a concern, regardless of an e.d. or not.

If you are serious about trying something, then keep at massaging your breasts twice a day and add between 5-20 min. of heat at least after one massage, depending on the amount of time you have. There are some posts going over the different massaging creams, but I think the majority of everyone right now is using Vit. E with there massaging as it helps retain growth. It takes time but eventually you will start to notice a difference.

Hey faith-Your not a waste of space-saying things like this sort of proves to the people giving you advice regarding you ED proof that your still not ok.
Everyone in the world is worth the space they fill,everyone is special,and just as important as others-I think you need some love yourself time

I have not mentioned your ED because you have not asked for advice on that.I would asume from what you have been through you know exactly what you should/shouldnt be doing,im sure its drilled into you on a daily basic

Please everyone don't get upset/angry with me but by now id be getting abit fed up of it, please every one give Faith abreak shes on the way to recovery shes accepted she has an ED and it sounds like her family/doctors/dietitians are dealing with it so lets try and give some positive feed back on NBE thats what the forum is for, not a ED advice forum all the info and advice given by everyone has been honerst and sincere but come on she's not here for a lecture .

Big hugs and Boobie growing wishes to all
GingerD :) :) :) :) :)

my intention was not to hurt u in any way. it was just something in the news. u are by no means a waste of space. if u were, then i would be too. and thats not the case...SUBJECT CHANGE. how is the massage/ visualization going? i left u a message on the board about a website about wildyam. did it help any? good luck.

Henri, firstly i dont want sympathy or none of that crap, the only reason i was honest about being in treatment for an ED is because it does have physical effects. I'm getting frustrated because people are suggesting things then saying i shouldnt because i have a low weight and then giving me lectures about it. I AM gaining weight and i am recieving treatment for it so i dont need advice about my weight and it isnt what i asked for. I've not been 'encouraged' to be a BMI of 16.5, but it was what i was when i last had a peroid and doctors and my dietian have said that thats when i can think about maintaining. Yes there are others issues which i have had for years and do not have anything to with an ED that havnt been worked on and there isnt much more that is done about my ED apart from gaining weight and listening to what my team says. Which i do and i dont see why i should have to go into details about my treament on here. My weight isnt even at 16 yet but it has come a long way. i was thinking along the line of encouraging some of my weight gain into my chest area when i started this thread. And i have said a few times that i do not want to take herbs/boob pills as i know that they can do more harm than good. Which is why i'm doing massarge, hypnosis cd and wild yam cream.

Thank you for your reply gingerD, and thank you for not making a big deal out of my weight etc.

Didnt mean to offend you diana i'm just gettting annoyed with it turning into everyone going on about my weight, bmi ect. Did you leave the link somewhere else on the board as i've not seen it in this thread, though i have see your post about your experience with wild yam cream. I have start using a wild yam cream that i had from a while ago, its only 7% but it does have aloe and vit E. in it, and i use about half a teaspoon once - twice a day.

sorry if i have upset of offended people it hasnt been my intension, but i've been getting annoyed with most of the posts having a go about my weight, bmi and goals. It is what has been discussed in my health team and is something totally separate to this and not something i wanted to discuss on here.

Hey Faith-No probs
Have u descided whats going in your boobie batter now?-I have to say since adding borage oil and Fennel oil i feel like my boobie batter is on fire-Not literally burning me, and im haing to put my skin fire out-LOL
but working a right treat.
Somthing iv discovered latley is our tittys(scuse my slang) are like sponges-I apply a right dollop and just let the 1st lot soak in, do my hair etc then put more on and do the massage-By then thats also soaked in as well, if i was to try an explain the ammount, i would say like the size of a table spoon amount on each, then repete-
U thinking of adding a heat bag buddie?

www.all-natural.com/wildyam.html

Faithful, I never implied you want sympathy or attention, and when I said sympathetic, I meant it in the term of they are understanding. And I realized why you mentioned e.d., its good you did, because it is a factor that needs to be considered in the advice given. I don't think I have ever mentioned advice in regards to your e.d. or weight other then saying that for NBE to be successfull it really should be higher, and apparently its something everyone here generally agrees on.

"Hey faith-Your not a waste of space-saying things like this sort of proves to the people giving you advice regarding you ED proof that your still not ok. " I have to agree with this statement by ginger and its the only reason I keep bringing up making sure you are getting treatment. I have never asked you to go into details on your treatment, I just want to make sure you are still getting treatment, because it still seems that some things need to be addressed.

I still stand by not taking anything internally unless you are monitored. I don't feel it would be safe.

I don't think its possible to encourage your weight to your boobs at this point in time. Maybe in the future, I think on another forum, maybe the beboard, they go into different procedures on pulling/massaging the excess upwards, but I heard it can be uncomfortable.

If you are offended by what I say, then you need to know that I feel you don't need anyone babying you, and that telling you straight and to the point leaves less confusion.

Thanks for the tip gingerD, i'm not really using a 'boobie batter' just some wild yam cream.

thank you for the Web address diana, its quite intesting!

Henri - I am in treament for years please dont start lecturing me about it. If thats all you have to say 'that i should be having treament' thats whats the point it has nothing to do with NBE. I didnt come on here to talk about my treatment, i came for advice about trying to encourage my weight gain into my chest area. I agree with what you say about popping pills and things, which is why i state from the start that i didnt want to take pills/herbs to do it. Anything else you want to have a go at me about?

Faithful, I am not lecturing you, and don't feel the need to lecture you, I was re-stating what I have already told you, to clarify any confusion. The point is actually that the comments you keep making tell everyone that there is something wrong that needs to be addressed ~ and the relation with NBE, is that ones mental attitude effects NBE as well. And before you get upset, that statement was made generally and not directed at you, it has been said numerous times throughout this forum.

I also never said that you referred to "popping" pills as a method you were considering, I know that some have posted advice on things to take internally, and I strongly disagree and felt that it should be re-stated incase it was becoming a consideration.

"Anything else you want to have a go at me about?" ~ I think this clarifies alot.

Hope you make out well with your journey, and that the girls can give you some advice which you will find helpful. You should still read back through the forum, as there are posts that will show you things to do without taking herbs.

Faith-full, Please don't have children.

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. You are the most impressionable 17 year old I've ever had contact with (and thankfully it's been very distant contact). You have a lot of growing up to do. I'm sorry if I sound cruel but if you really think that having breasts is more important than being healthy (mentally and physically...which you are not either), then you do not deserve them.

I really don't think anyone should be responding to this thread anymore. Let the girl grow up... I have a feeling she's also done damage to her brain by being so thin for so long. Since fats are what help our brain grow and function. This is really unfortunate...

Thank for your consideration about lecturing me about herbs henri, but i already knew not to try them. I do know of ways to do NBE without taking herbs and that is what i have been trying to find advice about. I have re read some post and taken the advice into consideration such as heat, time limits for massarge etc.

Alcest, if you had nothing to say to me or dislike me that much why bother posting to me? I cant have children, and i hope you realise how hurtful wishing some cannot have them is. I dont think having breasts is more important than being healthy otherwise i wouldnt be in treatment would i? I would like breasts which is why i'm finding ouot about NBE. I dont think i'm the only one brain dead, some people are abviously intentionally hurtfull and take enjoyment out of it. If you werent you would have at least put some thought into what you thought was ok to post and put it a bit nicer. I think you need to grow up a bit too.

Trust me, I don't find any joy or pleasure out of it.

When I was in high school I had severe body issues as well, and lost my period for three months. After that I realized I had to get my **** together. I just have no ****ing idea how it goes so far as to end up in the hospital, unable to have children.

It makes me angry because most of the world's population is STARVING TO DEATH because they DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, meanwhile, we spoiled little American/English/whatever girls can sit on our bony little asses and wish we looked more like models.

I'm just sick of the frivolity. And i'm sorry if it was cruel but I think we're way too cushioned to begin with. I only wish someone opened their eyes to my ''eating disorder" and told me to get my **** together, because I had to do it for myself. No one noticed because SO MANY GIRLS have this problem that it's just "normal" if a girl won't eat.

It's not normal. It's ridiculous. We have way too much time on our hands in developed countries.

where do u get off thinking it is a choice to have an ed? I had my mom Constantly in my ear telling me that i shouldnt be fat because then i couldnt wear what i wanted. constantly telling me that fat is ugly and that i didnt want to end up like her at 230 lbs and 5 ft. i had this ingrained in my head since i was at least 5. i use to make poems of how fat is ugly like my mom. it was never a choice. and cushy life. yeah right. my family of 4 live off of 2500 a month. that is about poverty level

Who the hell do you think you are?? I didnt just wake up one day and decide i was going to make myself ill or get dragged into hospital. I didnt have a clue what was going on until i got taken into hospital. I wasnt even on a diet. Yes there are more deserving people that need refeeding in the world. If you even understood anyone or anything about ED's you would understand that. Yes some people are the 'stereotyped' and have done a diet too far but most people with ED's dont start with diets, its usually other underlying issues, and your saying i'm braindead, think you need to look in the mirror first.

Faith Full, no one here assumed you were stupid or had a go at you. Having an eating disorder or general helth even is no indicator of intelligence, so why would we assume that? What you are in fact is irrational. That's a whole different thing, but just as bad mind you, becasue it's to a large extent willful, therefore your doing and you responsabilty, though only semi-conscious as to say. And that is also great mind you, because you *can* will it out, change it, unlike someone who is stupid, who can't change their IQ. What are the things in which you are irrational? Think about that. I won't go on about it, because would probably feel attacked again, but getting hurt by a bunch of encouraging posts telling you only the truth is one of them.

Moon- do you know me? No. If you did you would know that my ED is actully to do with my depression, and not willfull. I do know that it is my own doing and my own fault i never said it wasnt and i do take responsiobility for my ED. I've never actully been on a diet i just simply couldnt be arsed to eat or live anymore. I do have issues which i am dealing with and i came on here for advice about how to do NBE and i am fully aware there is no guarantee that it would work or last for me. So what have i been irrational about? I know my weight is low and i am gaining weight and doing what my MEDICAL PROFFESIONALS have advised me to do. You calling me irrational when you cant even see past a stereotype that isnt even true for most people.

Faith, you are young. You have a lot to learn and a lot more life ahead of you hopefully. I am learning in psychiatry that people who suffer from eating disorders also have a high rate of depression. So yes, I sort of understand you. What I don't understand is you saying that you are NOT GOING TO GO OVER A BMI OF 16.5. Sounds to me like you aren't interested in becoming a healthy weight. And let me tell ya, from a skinny, sometimes underweight woman who weighs 50kilos. When I put on 20 pounds almost 10 years ago while in the military, guess what else grew? Yup, my boobies.
So the solution to your boobie problems is likely to be solved with a few extra kilos. But that ain't happening with you right now as you don't seem to be interested. Good luck buddy.

Hey Guys,

I rarely write on these forums, but I feel like a few of you misunderstand what an ED actually is. The type of ED faith full is talking about is one brought on by self hate and ALOT of built up problems, Im presuming (sorry if Im wrong) but Faith Full has been through alot of crap as a child and coming into puberty. None of us know what she has been through that has brought this on, but it is certainly not about thinking she is fat and wanting to lose weight, to say that it is about selfishness is ignorant and the COMPLETE opposite of what is going on. Sure there are some girls who think they are fat and just 'decide' not to eat.. but that is not what has happened here. This is more a psychological thing.

Faith Full - you body will return to normal in time as long as you keep on doing what you are doing.. and keep your chin up! Your periods will return and I bet your boobs will grow a bit then too.. and then if they are not as big as you would like them, go full steam ahead with NBE!

I know life can suck sometimes - but we can all handle what we are given! Its just tough thats all...

take care xoxo

I've had an eating disorder faith full, for 5 years. I'm not saying it's just you who is ridiculous. I'm saying eating disorders ARE ridiculous. They're the product of society's that have too much, and people start worrying about **** that doesn't really matter.

And yes, you do have a choice. That's what's great about not living in a third world or communist country. WE HAVE CHOICES. YOU JUST HAVE TO USE YOUR OWN MIND AND NOT LISTEN TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE TELL YOU. Including the media, including your mother.

If you can't even admit that eating disorders are ridiculous, then when will you ever convince yourself otherwise??

ur saying that at 5 yrs old i should have known to tell my mom. 'hey, ur ideas about body image r wrong and i would appreciate u not influencing my young impressionable mind in this way' u r so full of sh^t.

Are we all so childish that we have to stoop to forms of name calling and belittling behavior, that we have no discretion for others and the circumstances that they have been through? The causes of Eating Disorders come in a variety of shapes, sizes, and forms, and if you insinuate otherwise, then you all are doing a wonderful job of showing your ignorance on the entire topic.

Although I have been firm, blunt and too the point with Faithful, I have not been rude, or condenscending in anyway. And although I have to agree with some statements made, I also disagree with some. This does not mean at all that it was necessary to make those statements. If one believes that using cruel, hurtful comments, will encourage someone to see the light, then they themselves need help in seeing the light first. I am not implying that anyone particular comment was either true or false, but stating the is was not necessary to make, as it has neither furthered the conversation to where it is helpful, or opened the eyes of others to some relevent information that has been overlooked.

The only shame that anyone should feel, is the shame that we can't act like adults in tough situations. Tell me, has it made anyone of you feel any better now that the limelight is on someone else instead of yourself? Do you sleep better knowing that there is someone else out there who is more confused then you?

You have turned what is a serious matter, into an arguement, that will achieve nothing more then to seperate more members of this forum. There will be no winners here, just losers, because all you will have achieved, is splitting more members of this group against each other, and hurting them as well as yourselves.

Well Done.

Alcest,
I cannot believe your posts. Do you understand that an ED does always means you think you're fat. I had anorexia for years, starting at about 10 or so. It was NOT because I thought I was fat! I had issues I was dealing with and I felt like I didn't deserve to eat. I wanted to eat alot of times but wouldn't allow myself. Alot of girls with this have depression and you saying something to her like that is just way mean. With yourself having an ED you would think that you would be a little bit more understanding.

Faithful,
PLEASE,do not be offended at what i was saying, I was not implying anything about your situation. I was jsut saying from my life. Whatever side issues you have are yours to keep to yourself if that is wht you desire. I think it wonderful that you are wanting to grow bigger, it means that you value yourself and tht in itself it a very big step forward. I think that you are to be commended for your hard work. I really am sorry for the posts that upset you. I know this is a nbe thread and it seems that everyone is harping on your ED but it is a factor in your quest for bigger boobs. I'm 36 and I've been doing BE for a year and a half, last year i ws having hard time and starting throwing up when I ate, not every meal but just usually dinner and sometimes lunch but would allow myself to eat a little bit for breakfast. Or I would only throw up half of it, on a good day. I lost almost everything I had gained so since then doing BE has helped me because I want boobs so bad so it keeps me eating...usually. Believe me I still have my days. So even if it seems that an ED would not affect BE it really does. PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T BE OFFENDED AT MY POSTS, IT WAS NOT MEANT TO UPSET YOU. By your posts you seem to be a very strong person and you are a fighter and that's good because you will continue to get better and you'll reach your goals in your BE journey.

Angela

I know. I had the same thing you're talking about. I suffered from severe depression and I didn't think I deserved food. It wasn't because I thought I was fat. I was never fat.

It's still a ridiculous "disease" and is only the product of overly-developed countries.

No one else thinks eating disorders are ridiculous? That's too bad...

Alcest,
I was never fat either, I weighed 40 pounds in 4th grade. When I got married at 18 a size 0 was big on me. I wouldn't say ridiculous but just sad for the ones who have it, to have so much self hatred is a shame. Unfortunatley for most it was put their by someone but doing BE is a sort of therapy in itself because you learn to love yourself enough to take care or yourself. When you have to massage every day and your eating healthy things to grow good and of course the tingles make you feel better about yourself somehow. I dont' know if that makes sense to anyone else but it has helped me. My hormones were so messed up and I had to do alot of visualisation (?) to get myself to grow because another on e of the lovely things was that I didnt' feel like I deserved to look good or to have a beautiful body. But...most days I feel like it now so as they say, onward and upward.

BTW, I know this post was not intended to be about ED but I think that it is a good thread because some of us still need the help. This board is usually so positive and that is what we need...ED or not....big boobs or itty bitty ones.

angela

i am just now starting to be happy with gaining weight. after my daughter died i went down to a hundred lbs. i have put on about 18-22 lbs so far. nbe does help. i watch what i eat, make sure i drink water and eggs and peanut butter and beef. i am happy with what i look like. i look down and i can see big hips and butt but if i look at pics i could still see bones so my vision is distorted but its getting better

Faithfull,
Just wanted you to know my heart goes out to you-You are in my prayers and hope what you came on here for, you can get advise with -Just remember I think "GOD ONLY GIVE US WHAT HE BELIEVES WE CAN HANDLE". I also pray someday you will get to have children, if this is what you wish-If god decides this isn't in your plan to carry children-Then you can adopt! Believe me its all the same I have 3 beautiful dtrs and adopted my son at 3wks old (The love is all the same)! I know this is off the subject but It hurt me that someone wished you NO CHILDREN! this thread hit close to home as I have a 17 yr old dtr myself-LOTS OF LOVE AND GOOD WISHES TO YOU

Well, 1st post here, I just regitered now although I've been watching this forum for months now.

Faithful you do have a point when saying some girls gain boobs more easily than others, and some really skinny girls have Bs (or even Ds) and I know quite a few of them actually. =S

But I do notice that with NBE skinny girls do seem to take more time to achieve results.

On a much smaller scale I have my own example. I'm too large for an A, but too small for a B cup. A little before I started NBE, I quit smoking and I started gaining weight. I'm 5' 5'' tall, and I weighted 100lbs, I had pretty much the same boobs I have now (too large for an A, still too small for a B). I decided to start NBE, 5 months have passed and I gained 10lbs (perhaps a bit more, 5kg to be exact) and man oh man, almost none of it went to my breasts!

I think genetics and fat distribution do play an important role. But so do hormones... and this forum is the living proof of that.

Anyways, you can massage your breasts maybe with wonderup cream? You can also make a bobbie batter, do some massage and perhaps apply a heating pad afterwards? You can also give the deodorant Lisa was talking about in another post, a try.

Just don't put your hopes too high. For a large number of reasons your ED does have some influence on how your body is distributing fat (and probably will continue to have for quite some time). The girls are right, 1st you must have your periods back. Only then you can think about gaining boobs, but it will take time, don't get frustrated by that, it's only normal. Growing boobs just by itself requires an awful amount of patience, I'm afraid.

Good luck and keep us posted! =)

P.S.- Woah Alcest, after reading your posts I don't think you're an authority to refer to Faithful as being an impressionable 17 year old... (off topic but, you know, EDs such as anorexia can be caused due to other problems related with the nervous system, happened with a good friend of mine who is a guy and certainly not one shallow little c***.)

Wow, things have gotten out of control...

Faithful, the point I think people have been trying to make here is that, regardless of whether you're recovering from an eating disorder or are in perfect health, NBE *usually* does not work as well for thinner girls. A BMI of at least 19 is *generally* cosnidered to be necessary to have the best results. NBE may work for you at your goal BMI of 16.5, but you would most likely have better results with a BMI closer to 19. That is all. What you can do now is continue with your massages, add heat if you can, and think positively.

Alecet-I can not believe you at all-I im actually disgusted.

This is not a competition as to who has the best ED stories, who,s been there done that and baught the frigging t-shirt-
As i have previously said-Not once has Faith asked for any advice about eating disorders, or asked any one who has been through it-In short this thread is not about you or your wierd thaughts on the world.-And wierd they are

What you put about her having children is terrible-As you wanted to pipe up with your comments you should have took the bloody time to read the previous threads and if you did what a nasty peice of work you are

Regarding her growing up-She is 17 how old are you? Yes hold old are you because what you have done is far nastyer than any adult i know
There are thousands starving bla bla bla- what a martor you are -Where do you actually get off-Im sorry but you do not know how it feels-because if you had lived 1 day in her shoes you would never belittle some one in the way you have-u have really offended me,so how the hell do you think Faith Feels????
so on top of all the **** you spouted your also a lier you have never had an eating disorder,and i feel its you that has lost her brain, not Faith
May be you could scoop out whats left of your brain, put it in a box and send it to the starving children in Africa-U know just doing your bit

Faith mate-Just ignore her, if you want my opinion I think you are probably one of the most grown up 17 year olds iv come across, you know youv got issues,but your dealing with em on all you bloody want is a bigger set of boobies-
SOMTHING WE ARE ALL TRYING TO ACHIEVE since joining the forum i have always been given encouragement, good advice and felt part of somthing here so make room for 1 more and give her the respect iv been shown.
This is not aimed at all the threads-so dont get mad guys
Alcect-U can get as mad as u want-i already think you are off your nut

Just cant get over this one sorry

GingerD

ok thank for all the positive comments throughout the thread.

Alcest "And yes, you do have a choice. That's what's great about not living in a third world or communist country. WE HAVE CHOICES. YOU JUST HAVE TO USE YOUR OWN MIND AND NOT LISTEN TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE TELL YOU. Including the media, including your mother."

Ok one, I dont have a mother, yes i do have choices and i have made them to gain weight and become healthier, i do listen to what others are telling me otherwise i'd still be in hospital. I'm fully aware that my goal BMI is underweight, but it is my aim to get there and see how things are, i havnt weighed more than that before so i have been told maintenace is going to be considered there BY MY DOCTOR AND DIETIAN. If you have even had an ED you would understand that everyone one effected by one is different and most dont fit the stereotype of just going to far with a diet. ED's are stupid and horrible and suck, but hey they happen and if food wasnt an issue in 3rd world countries maybe they would have people with them too.

Henri - "The causes of Eating Disorders come in a variety of shapes, sizes, and forms, and if you insinuate otherwise, then you all are doing a wonderful job of showing your ignorance on the entire topic." i totally agree with that statement, and even though i havnt agree with everything you have said in your posts, i can see your point, and yes i have found some comments a bit agressive but i do understand that you were'nt meaning to be and its just the way i have interpreted them.

Diana- i'm sorry for the loss of your daughter as its great that your helping your body heal.

Anonymus- "Just don't put your hopes too high. For a large number of reasons your ED does have some influence on how your body is distributing fat (and probably will continue to have for quite some time). The girls are right, 1st you must have your periods back. Only then you can think about gaining boobs, but it will take time, don't get frustrated by that, it's only normal. Growing boobs just by itself requires an awful amount of patience, I'm afraid." I know that my Ed does have some sort of an influence about my chest which is why one of main questions have been to encourage some weight to my chest. I do also know it can take time, i'm unsure if i will get my peroids back as i know i cant have children and it something doctors are unsure about, however i have been told that my hormones are in pritty much normal levels just at the lower end of normal. I have been wanting to have a go with NBE as even when i did have peroids i have nothing on my chest.

Tessica - i know that it does not always work for everyone and that its slower for slim girls. Though everyone who i have met that has been recovered has not been expected to get to a BMI higher than 18.5 and in the UK 18 is considered 'healthy' and not underweight. I probably would get better results or faster ones if i weighed more, but i have never been there so i wouldnt be able to know , even before my ED.

just for the record i am not aiming to have some massive boobs just some to fit a bra, i'd be happy with an A cup to be honest, but i've never had that, and i'm exoecting much more than that if it does work for me.

I have to agree with others this thread has gotten way out of hand, i dont think people should post anything unless it on topic, which is the origional question and NOT ED's. It is upsetting and has caused this thread to spiral out of control.

Once again thank you for all the positive replies and ones which have been about NBE.

Thank you for all the nice replies.

Henri- i do agree with what you have said and it is sad that this thread has turned out the way it has. I have not agreed with all of your comments b ut i have taken note of them and i appricate that you have not ment to be agressive in your posts its just me being paranoid when i have read them.

alcest- If you have ever had an eating disorder you would understand yourself that everyone with one is different and have different reason behind theirs. Most people with an ED are not like the stereotyped people who take a diet too far. ED's are stupid i agree, they mess up lives. You need to grow up and think about what your saying. I do not have a mother and i do listen to my medical team otherwise i would still be in hospital and not be gaining weight.

Diana -i'm sorry about the loss of daughter and its great that yopu have the strenghth to help nourish your body again.

I am fully aware that i still need to gain weight and i am doing so. I came on here to ask about encouraging some of my weight gain to my chest area, i may not get my peroids back as i know i can not have children. My hormones are in the normal levels as my bloods show, but at the lower end of 'normal' so maybe things could happen if they got a bit higher in the range. I do know that it does not work as well or as fast for those who are slim, but then again it doesnt work at all for some people. I would like boobs and i'm not expecting to end up with massive boobs, just a pair i can put in a bra, in fact i would actully be happy with an A cup.

Thank you for all of the helpful replies, however i think any more replies should be about the origonal question, and not ED's or weight etc as thats whats caused this thread to get way out of hand.

sorry i've posted the same thing twice, didnt mean too. The forst post didnt appear after i posted but it has now lol. sorry

how is the wild yam massage going? is the discharge done or has it turned more into a true period? and the visualization-did u find pics to help with this? any more tingles? good luck.

I keep having tingles, the discharge has never really been anything, its not turned into remotly anything near a peroid or even had blood in it. the wild yam i'm using twice a day, i havnt noticed anything different with it, but i have only been using it for a week, i doubt i would notice anything yet. I'm still listening to the innertalk cd. Hope all is goin ok with you diana!

Well everyone completely missed my point I made but oh well.

To Ginger D- I was not in any way competing over who had the worst bloody eating disorder. Way to degrade the entire topic even more, as well as degrade what either I went through, and what faith full went through. (And I guess for the record, in case anyone else thinks I was "competing over who had the worst eating disorder" faithfull wins by a long run.)

Nothing I said was disgusting. You guys are being silly just because I'm not sending out god's blessings and pitying her. I'm telling her to toughen up and realize there are bigger problems in the world that we are all facing today and to be thankful she has the choice of eating or not. I'm glad she's getting help and is recooperating, but she is also incredibly stubborn and that again reflects how young she is and how poorly she's matured due to being so malnourished.

I guess it's all subjective, because I personally was disgusted by this thread. Before I even said anything.

"There are thousands starving bla bla bla- what a martor you are -Where do you actually get off-Im sorry but you do not know how it feels-because if you had lived 1 day in her shoes you would never belittle some one in the way you have-u have really offended me,so how the hell do you think Faith Feels????
so on top of all the **** you spouted your also a lier you have never had an eating disorder,and i feel its you that has lost her brain, not Faith
May be you could scoop out whats left of your brain, put it in a box and send it to the starving children in Africa-U know just doing your bit "

Wow, I didn't even read this before.... And you're calling me immature and nasty?

That was the worst thing I've ever read on this board. You mocked me as being a "martyr" (yes that's how it's spelled), called me a "liar" (yes that's how it's spelled), and you insinuated I should make children in Africa cannibalistic... I don't even know what to say.

I wish I didn't read that.

Well done for carrying ti alcest! If you have nothing postive or relivent to say dont bother saying it at all. No body ask for your personal opinion so if your so disgusted by the thread there wasnt much point in taking the time to post on it. Grow up and stop dragging it out

I think its time that before this goes any further, we put an end to this thread once and for all. For those of you that have any new information to contribute to Faithful, I would suggest starting a new thread, and keeping it only about NBE, without any implications to what has happened towards the end of this thread at all, if there is nothing else to contribute, then just let it be.

There is no reason that this should be still going on.

EVERYONE: If you are going to keep responding to the taunts, or by taunting yourself, then you deserve the remarks that are made in return, and you should really stop acting offended by them. After all, you all are doing it to yourself. This isn't like the post to Jelly were someone out of nowhere lashed out at her. You guys are the ones lashing out at each other, and you are getting what you deserve in return. Its called Poetic Justice.

All anyone has achieved is offending each other, and it is going to turn into a viscious cycle.
Drop it, and let it go. Start contributing your advice to other threads, that really are more important, and be the bigger person.

You're right henrietta...I'm not going to say anything more on the subject, and I apologize for getting so emotional before.

however, I just want to say, to Ginger D---- You said ''there are thousands starving" to mock me. I just want to point out, that it's notjust thousands...it's millions, maybe even a billion, people who are starving at some point on this earth today. Most countries do not have enough food or water to support their populations. The world is vastly overpopulated with hummans and most of them are starving to death, or are seriously malnourished.

Does the average person really only think it's a few thousand people who are starving? If only...

Faith_full maybe you could give agnus castus a.k.a. vitex a go? Some girls on here have included in their programs, and there was one girl on here who even grew 2 cups when taking it on its own. I'm going to include it on my program as soon as it arrives on the mail.

"It acts upon the pituitary gland, reducing the production of certain hormones and increasing the production of others, shifting the balance in favour of the gestagens. Thus it has a wide application of uses in malfunctions of the feminine reproductive system and has been used with great effect in restoring absent menstruation, regulating heavy periods, restoring fertility when this is caused by hormonal imbalance, relieving pre-menstrual tension and easing the change of the menopause[224]."

Maybe it's worth a shot, huh?

You should know that breast enlargement success relies a lot on getting the right hormonal balance, 1st. That's why some girls manage to grow after many attempts and experimenting quite a lot.

I don't want to touch the weight issue too much but you should know, that if you decide to take herbs internally, there are some which will interfere with one's appetite, either by stimulating or suppressing it.

I agree with Faith_full lets keep this thread within the topic, that is NBE. =P

P.S.- Alcest, ffs stop whining and go get a clue. I won't go down to morals here, but one irrationally jumping into conclusions about the girl's ED and totally going berserk against her (to the point she saw herself forced to tell a bit more about her story and there was no need for that) is pushing things a bit too far, huh? Looks like you have your own stuff to deal with, so please, stick to that. It's none of my business if you had an ED because you used to be shallow as f**k, get over yourself.

Thank you for your suggestion violet, i'm not going to take anything internally for NBE as you said it can interfer with other things, which probably would not help at the moment.

Faith Full - I don't presume I know you nor do I have to know you, because I refer only to things you wrote here yourself. I'm not talkign out of stereotypes at all, I'm a student of medicine and have seen and been involved in deling with cases like yours, not as a professional true, but as an apprentice. I also have personal experience with depression and body issues. I'm not claiming with 100 % certainity that you are irrational, I was only refering to the things you said here yourself, and true, I can't know anything for sure without studying your case to more details. But maybe it would be good for you if you thought about it yourself. You can't know for sure without doing that either, can you? Just a suggestion, don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to accuse you. Your progress so far is in any case admirable and you can be proud for that.

hey faithful:

start a new thread. kill this one. maybe eve m can even take this thread off because there is a lot of negativity and a lot of misunderstanding running rampant on here.

what do i think?

i think you jumped the gun on some people that were trying to help because they touched on subjects that are sensitive to you. there is constructive advice, but each time you got defensive it only prompted other, not so friendly responses and then it spiralled downwards. then if it was mentioned again, even by someone trying to put it in a different way, you still got superdefensive. understood that you react to it, because its a helluva issue to deal with. HOWEVER if you get advice you dont like, you cant automatically assume it is totally wrong and jump on those that gave it. we dont live in your shoes. so please. before eve (hopefully) takes this thread off, read through, take what you can from it without getting mad, and start a new thread. you know what? ill go start one for you. maybe then people can focus on issues... EVERYONE, eh, ladies?? please??

i also think some things were said which were deliberately hurtful on several peoples ends and thats not cool at all, LADIES... lets act like the ladies we are, shall we? faithful asked a question. she doesnt like the bmi thing, wants another answer. cant use cocoa butter. wants another answer. its not like the first time someone has had an unsuccessful time with what has been suggested, but you know, this is the FIRST time i have ever read it where it turned into catty insults. so drop it. leave it where it is. kill it. leave her alone and she will leave you alone. everyone and no one is at fault here, so move on. fix the problem, dont change the problem.

oh before i forget with my ranting, i had something to say about wild yam that might help. it will be in the other thread.

im never a terribly sympathetic person... its a fault of mine. i prefer to get happy for people than feel sorry for them. its a byproduct of being involved in wars, possibly, or maybe i am coldhearted, but i prefer to help people than say "gee whiz. what awful luck! dont worry sweetie" or anything like that, because i am more likely to say "that sucks. okay. we know that. now lets fix it." so if i come across as cold, well... i wont say im sorry because that wouldnt be cold, would it! :)

oh and that reminds me, LADIES... things that you write do not have emotion. even if you feel it and write what you are thinking, you cant write emotion. so reread what you write. make sure it is what you want to say without people having to guess at sarcasm or exaggeration or anything else.

anyway... enough. im going to start a new thread for faithful because this one brings me down every time i read it, and goodness knows i got enough going on in my life that i dont need that!

over and out... (fun fact: you cant actually say that on the radio).

hugs and good boobie wishes to ALL...

I'm sorry for anything that I said that could have misinterpretated as not helpful. I think ending this is a good idea, I just wanted to say sorry before it gets deleted. This is probably why alot of us just read and don't post.

Emmie - don't know if you will ever read this, but I don't want to post it on your new thread. Thank you for what you have done, and for following through and starting a new post for Faithful.

I did want to correct one thing which I said, which could have misinterpreted, and then I will not be posting here anymore when I said : "Start contributing your advice to other threads, that really are more important, and be the bigger person", I by no means was implying that trying to help faithful out was not important, I was actually referring to the fact that the last few posts were unimportant as it was all argueing.

Anyway thats how I meant it, and I just wanted to clarify it before anyone goes and gets offended at me.

I actually started a new post for faithful earlier, but I realized after I did it, that I never signed in, so who knows when it will appear ~ all it was, was taking the advice part of what violet wrote (and I gave her credit), and pasting into a new thread, I did leave out the unnecessary comments though.

Thanks Again EMMIE