hello,
I've never posted to this forum but took a lot of information around and decided to give a try to nbe. I was on my third month (around day 14) and my boobs were plump and swollen and tingling like crazy when I decided to massage with pure organic CB. The day after, I was flat as ever and my tingling had gone. :(
I kept on massaging with cb for a few days then decided that a break was the best thing to do. I kept on massaging (not with cb, though!) and stopped taking herbs.
I'm now on month 4 of nbe (ramping up from the start :fenugreek, fennel, saw palmetto) and my breast do not respond the way they used to, no swelling, no tingles, no pains. I'm afraid I did something wrong. Can you stall from the outside? Should I have gone on using CB for the massages (perhaps it was a temporary reaction). I'm a bit lost.
I hope somebody can help me. I'm afraid I ruined everything.
Thank you and good luck to all of you.
Caroline

This may or may not be helpful...

Edgar Cayce, who advised using cocoa butter said the following:

- massage with cocoa butter to increase breast size

- massage with cocoa butter and alum to decrease breast size.

Well, I certainly did not want to decrease my breast size, and when I read this, it occured to me that many deodorants, and all anti-perspirants contain alum or types of aluminum (aluminum in anti-perspirants is also associated with alzheimers disease, but that's another topic).

Soooo...it is possible, and I am not certain of all the facts here, but I am just saying it is possible, that massaging with cocoa butter and then adding alum (or aluminum) via deodorant and anti-perspirants, could actually shrink breasts.

I went out and bought a natural deodorant from the health food store...it's not working as well as the other types, but it does not have any alum or any other ingredient with 'alum' in it's name. And I have to say, that since doing this, my breasts have plumped up more. However, I am also taking herbs and protein drinks, so I can't say for sure that it's the alum-free cocoa butter massages that's doing it.

I hope this helps and good luck to everyone!

hi Caroline
What type of massage were u doing? Technique may factor into it. I used to do very firm massage and found that i shrunk. Then i changed to the Chi techique with a gentler touch and that improved things.

It might not be the CB. NBE is so personal, perhaps yr breasts don't want to be massaged. This sounds odd i know. But you were doing fine up until the massage.

WHy don;t you recommence herbs without the massage, like you were at the start. ANother VERY IMPORTANT POINT... if you were doing well on your previous dose, why ramp up? Ramping up is a terrible trap and should only be done if you have stalled on the herbs. I'm NOT sure it was the herbs that stalled yr growth, it seems more related to the onset of massage. Go back to your original plan, give it 2 cycles... then reassess ramping up.

Either way you are to be encouraged, coz it seems like yr boobies respond well to NBE. Keep it simple!!
Love Tap

hello there, thank you for your answers;
Corrie, yes, I thought of the deodorant too. Mine is natural , a clear stick, hard like a rock, and is amonium alun without aluminum chlorydrate (which is associated with alzheimers disease). But perhaps ammonium alum is bad for breasts too. Anyway, I'll try and get one without any alum, as you suggested. Thanks!
Tap, I was massaging before using CB and doing well, it's only when I massaged with CB that shrinkage occured. I'm now ramping up, because after the shrinkage I took a 14 days break of herbs and massage. So I'm starting it all over again... and have to ramp up to go back to my previous dose.
So far, I've had no growth but a lot of luteal swelling, pains and tingles throughout the month. My breasts were responding well until I used cocoa butter, then...pfuuittt!! it all vanished in one night.
I'm 37 so things might be take a bit longer for me, but i'm still willing to give it a try.
Thank you girls, Love, and good luck!!!