First of all, Jelly thank you SO MUCH for your help. UM BEIJO GRANDE PARA TI!

I have a bowel inflamatory disease and, in consequence of that, I cannot have fennel capsules. Do you know it will be impeditive for me on growth? I have already noticed little results since I started on NBE, which did not include fennel capsules, but I wonder if that will limit my growth in any way. Any suggestion of a capsule to combine with the fennugreek? I'm taking Royal Jelly too 500 mg per day, and Soy lecitin. I think soy lecitin is useful, right? Love, April

have you tried adding saw palmetto or nettle root (not together, as they have the same effects)? i think fennel would help more and i could swear that someone mentioned a substitute for it somewhere but i cant find it right now... if i come across it again i will let you know...

but saw palmetto sometimes will kick start peoples programs, or nettle root if you are on birth control or something...

hope that helps... i know its not exactly what you were looking for...

hugs and good boobie wishes!

I think that fenugreek and fennell do the same thing. Can you take fenugreek?

Fennel & Fenugreek *are* pretty much the same thing. The only difference is that Fenugreek is stronger than Fennel when it comes to phytoestrogens. So if you're taking Fenugreek right now then that's fine -- the addition of Fennel is just *more* phytoestrogen. So don't fret that you're not getting *any* phytoestrogen! Soy is a very good source of phytoestrogen as well as Black Cohosh (you may want to try this as a substitute for Fennel).

Hello April,

I suffer from inflammatory bowel disease, I take wonderup which contains fennel and I have not had any problems.
just wondered if you have thought of taking wonderup.
whatever you do take, try it in the smallest dose possible as not to upet your bowel.
Best of luck and hope your IBD is not giving you too much trouble.
love Laura
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black cohosh! thats what i was trying to think of...

miss monet is a genius... and a mind reader (when i cant read my own).

try subbing that in for fennel, but check and make sure it doesnt have the same effects on the bowels.... that part i dont know very much about.

hugs and good boobie wishes!

Thank you so much for your answers, girls!!

Laura, I've been ok with my IBD since few months ago, I'm 21 and have the disease since my 15. Had few troubles during a couple of years, but I'm ok now. And I'm so happy that I can have growth even with this disease! I hope you're ok too!

Love, April Anna

Haha me? A mind minder? Naaah I'm just good with my research. :P Thanks, though, Emmie! Glad I could help!

I've had IBS for several years now. When I started BE my symptoms started to go away. I could even eat Taco Bell without any trouble, I thought i was cured. i found out it was because of the fenugreek. After I took my break I started with fennel instead of fenugreek because I didn't want to gain anymore weight and fenugreek makes me plump up. Well....I am a complete mess again!!! We went to a hockey game tonight and I was sick the entire game. I went for a little over a year with no IBS and now its back. So, I think I am going to start substituting some fennel with fenugreek, if that doesn't work then i will have to go back to fenugreek. I'm growing again pretty good so I dont' want to mess things up but I can't live in the bathroom either. lol
Take care.

Angela

Hello April,


Is it crohn"s or Colitis that you have?
I have crohn's disease, not too bad at the moment but have to be very careful as I have lost most of my small bowel.
I'm glad I'm able to grow a little, it cheers me up and I'm sure its the same for you.
Happy growing and glad to hear that you're ok with your IBD
love Laura
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Tudo Bem ??? have you written a program page yet, Cause I cant find one for you !!!!! this is really important and helpful for you and the girls to help you !!!!after youve done that I will have another suggestion love jellyDeee...

Laura, it is Chron's disease what I have. Mine affects the large bowel more than the small. But I'm ok now and I'm really glad that NBE is not interfering with Chron's. After all we can do almost everything that other people do! We just have to be more careful. I hope everything will be ok for you, so the NBE as the disease!! ARe you having results already with your NBE program?? Thank you so much for your support - it is so important to me to have found someone in the same condition as me, who even then is trying and not interfering with the disease!! Thank you so much!!

Jelly, I have not made my own program page yet! But I will! At the moment I'm taking royal jelly 500 mg + fennugreek 500 mg at breakfast, fennugreek and fennel tea 3 x a day (fennel on tea is not so concentrated as capsules, so it doesn't get me worse) and soy lecitin at dinner. I'm adding now borage oil as you suggested 500 mg per day. I'm already having a little growth, not a lot, but even my brother noticed the difference!! If you have any suggestion I really would aprecciate!! And I will post my own programme when I add the borage oil!! Oh, also massaging 1 time per day with coconut butter + olive oil, but I'm buying soon the cocoa butter which I still haven't found. Thank you so much!!! BEIJO GRANDE

Thank you for the support, I feel more confident about myself now. You have been amazing and that brings me up when I think it may not work!!

Love, April

I would add one phytoestrogen in about a week, like red clover or wild yam, just one of them + your current routine ! only a little bit at a time like 1 capsule a day for 3 days then 1 in the morning and 1 at night for next 3 days then 1 3x a day and see how you go love jelly....

my brother in law has chrons, as did one of my soldiers, and i feel so bad for you poor ladies who have it... it must be just miserable...

my brother in law tried this emotional freedom technique thing and even though he thought it was a load of hogwash he tried it anyway and you know it started to actually help him?

http://www.emofree.com

and then i looked at it after he mentioned it because i have chronic headaches and after searching around on the net there, even on the beboard, was this link:

http://www.emofree.com/cases/breastsize.htm

this article is interesting, and then you can go back to the main page and read up on it and it may help with everything... even your chrons. it helped him out certainly, and my soldier was going to try it too. it feels silly (i just started doing it) but i have been getting more tingles than i was before, and my headaches are MUCH less intense... and i still barely believe in it!!

hugs and good boobie wishes to all...

Hello April,

I have been on wonderup for eight months, took a short break and have now starrted it agian.
I have just added saw palmetto.
I have uneven boobs I'm afraid, smaller one started as an A and the bigger on was a B
Now my bigger one is a C and the smaller one is a small B.
Its good progress for me because I have active crohn's at the moment but coping with it as well as I can.
Are you taking medication?
I am taking a small dose of steriods and Azathioprine, With your crohn's being in the large bowel, its good from a point of view that you can digest the herbs well as your small bowel is ok.
My problem is that I have very little of my small bowel left which makes diigestion difficult.
I have lost twenty foot of bowel so far and have two further foot of disease which is active.
There is good hope for you because I have done well so far.
If you need any advice on crohn's or diet please let me know.
I also take a weight gain suppliment which is good for nutrition.
Keep in touch and let me know.
Best of luck you will get there.
love Laura
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Emmie,

Thank you for your support, we crohn'nees need it.
I'm having a bad crohn's day today, my wonderup is doing me no good, hope tomorrow may be better.
love Laura
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Yes Laura, I'm taking mesalazine (Claversal) at the moment, to mantain my clinic situation, which is not bad right now. I've had no trouble with NBE until now, and I hope it won't get me worse.
Oh I'm so glad you are having good results!!! :) I'm really happy for you, I guess you are feeling better with yourself now. You are going through a double battle - find bigger breasts and fight against Chron's at the same time. And you are making it!!! You must be really strong, I admire you, not every women would go through this. Congratulations Laura!!! Let me know about you!!
ANd I hope you are feeling better about your Chron's... Hope you'll be ok!!!

Jelly, thanks for your suggestion. Which one do you think it is better? Red clover or wild yam?

Love, April

well its all done to the individual really and trial and error, but if it was me I'd go for red clover fore the first 2 weeks and see what happens !!! please let us know !!!grandes mammas para tee love jelly.,.....

Hello April,
Thank you for your very kind support,
My crohns has been a very long battle, My boobs were so small until I took the herbs and now it has cheered me up that I have had some growth.
Do massage every day, it really helps, I massage every day with cocoa butter and vit E cream.
Unfortunately I had to increase my steriods today as my crohns relapsed. hope it does not interfere with my booby growth.
Remember, it takes time, but you have had some growth already, WELL DONE!!
massage, massage, massage and happy booby growing to you.
Mesalazine is excellent for large bowel disease, so you are on the right road there.
I shall give you all the support you need for your crohns and your booby growth.
love Laura
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This isn't NBE related, but I really wanted to respond about Chron's disease. I did not know what it was until a year ago last August, when my mother was diagnosed with Cancer (cancer free now after chemo, radiation and partial lung removal happy to say). Anyway, I will try to make this short and to the point....

A friend of my brothers family had chrons since she was very young, had many surgeries to remove parts of bowels/intestines (sorry if I seem ignorant of the disease and what would have been removed, I think I got that right). Her husband had seen an alternative practitioner for arthritis, and he was symptom free after many years, so he asked if it would help his wife. He was taking some green stuff and using a magnetic water filter thingy. She agreed to try the water first, since they already owned the machine. After two weeks she felt so much better, she tried the green stuff.

She today is symptom free, and has never felt better. My understanding is that there is no cure this disease. My brother does not believe in "voodoo" stuff like this as he calls alternative medicine, but his wife called her when my mother was diagnosed to see if this company has anything for treating cancer. That is how I learned the story, and since they know her very well, I believe every word of her story.

I assure you I am not affiliated with the company in any way, but when I can afford to, I will try their products for overall longevity and well being. I figure that if they can make all symptoms of an incurable disease go away, then they may promote overall health as well. If anyone is interested, I will post the company name and products that she used. I hope it does not offend anyone that I did this. It is www.nikken.com and the products were jade green enzymes and pi-mag water filter.

Hello Sissy,

I'm pleased to hear that your mother is cancer free and feeling better.
I have severe crohns disease, you are not offending me by talking about a product that may be able to help
crohns disease but unfortunately I fail to believe that there is any product that can help crohn's.
Crohn's disease is of a genetic origin, most patients relapse throughout their life although some people do enjoy long remission. I am unfortunate that I do relapse every few months.
If there was something in this world to help crohn's symptons, all gastroentrologists woould be talking about it.
I nearly lost my life some years ago due to the severity of my condition and not taking medication,
Now I take medication and watch my diet and although I struggle each day with pain I try and cope.
I would be horrified if anyone took to alternative products and stopped medication just because they felt better using natural products.
Its good to hear that your friend is better by using something else, but has she stopped all medication and also how much disease is left in her bowel.
No two patients with crohn's suffer the same symptons.
I hope I have not offended you now by saying all this,
Hope your friend will have long remission from this horrid illness.
Laura

No you haven't offended me at all, and I didn't mean to upset you. I totally understand, and I didn't say for anyone to stop meds for alternative medicine, but the story that I told is true. I admitted that I am not familiar with the disease, I do know that her condition was bad. I'm sorry that you have you have to deal with the condition, and hope you are having a better day today.

I do want to respond to your statement regard how all of the doctors would be talking about it if it really worked ... are all plastic surgeons talking about NBE? Of course not, it is a billion dollar a year business, and the AMA would not stand for it. If one doctor in a small town tries to go public or write a medical article on a natural cure that can be proven by medical records, he is immediately shunned by his peers and the AMA.

One example is the cholesterol drug Lipitor. Red yeast rice naturally lowers cholesteral, is a natural substance, but doctors don't tell you about it. I have told 4 people who told their doctors they want to try it, their doctors agreed, and they are off the synthetic medication with their doctors approval. Is that doctor telling the rest of his patients about it? Not unless they find a way to regulate it and let the pharmacutical companies sell it.

I'm not a doctor, a PA, a herbalist or have any credentials to diagnose or treat illness. I do know that there are alternative natural cures that may help some people who are suffering, and they are not told about it. Traditional medicine is a wonderful thing that has advanced greatly over the last century, so is natural medicine, and I am thankful for both.

Sissy,

First of all your email did not upset me, your are entitled to talk about a natural alternative to medication, but perhaps learning about CD will make you understand that nothing natural will help it. everyone with crohn's disease has abnormal white cells in the bowel.
you say that plastic surgeons don't talk about NBE of course they don't they are making money.
Lowering cholestrerol is a different matter and perhaps a natural product along with diet helps.
Crohn's disease as I said has no cure, it has been around since 1932 and is a disease that affects the whole digestive track.
I have been involved with crohn's professors worldwide and they can't find an answer.
Its a mysterious disease that can only go into remission with careful drug therapy. I have to take oral chemotherapy and even with that I struggle with crohn's.
Oral chemo is given because of abnormal white cells in the bowel which cause the disease.
I had a colostomy years ago and thankfully had it reversed, if there was a product on the market believe me we crohnees would hear about it.
I agree that natural products help many ailments and no-one likes taking medication because of side-effects.
I have to put up with terrible side-effects due to my heavy meds but would never be interested an a natural product. for a disesase like this.

I hope things get better for you and hope someday they find a better way to treat the illness. I can't imagine coping on a daily basis with something like that, you must be a strong person. Good luck to you. -- Sissy