Good morning , I just wanted to send you a big hug and thankyou so much for everything and your support and all !!!! I hope your nbe is progressing nicely !! (heres to lots of tingles today : ) love jelly.....

Hey Jelly, thanks for being so nice, you are a great BE buddy!
My boobs are growing quite well just now I believe, it is just the end of my cycle and it may be swelling, I don't know, but my boyfriend said to me the other day how they really seem huge compared to usual and have definitely gotten so much bigger (he usually is sceptical) and when I looked in the mirror yesterday I nearly didn't recognise them on me.
They haven't gotten huge and I may still not fill that A cup, I haven't checked yet, but they look different and feel bigger which is great. I just hope it lasts past my period and then I am happy. :-)
How are you doing yourself?
Take care,
Lisa

Hello Lisa

im so happy to hear about your progress. Can you tell what do u think as the most essential about your program? I have quite similar starting point with you, have been on herbs almost three months by now and i can't see a difference. Honestly i'm starting to feel very depressed. I have 2 capsules on fenu and sawpalmetto and added a wildyam a week ago. i feel occasional stabbing-like pains and underarm sensations but nothing more. i remember in the beginning the swelling before periods was nice but didnt have it wit my last period. When did u started to feel definite signs of growing and were sure u are growing? i have been thinking of maybe switching to nettle root since u mentioned that u started to grow better with it. I also have Diane babypills left so maybe add these to my program (i never grew with it though). Sorry so many questions but i really need some kind of hope and i dont want to be the one that is ignored by the influence of herbs :(((

Anyway all the best for u and hope reach the full A soon!

Bonnette

Wow, Lisa, just seen your last pix, your progress is amazing. You lucky girl! :)

i agree with Moon, i would be happiest girl with your last results. Congratulations!!!

Thanks Moon and bonnette, I am so much happier with my boobs now than I was before, now they don't look so weird and nonexistent in clothes anymore.

Bonnette, I will try and answer your questions as good as I can. The stabbing pains are a good sign, I had those too.
I think you could try and take 3 capsules of Fenugreek just now and you could switch to the Nettle Root if you want, I would if you take BCP again and maybe want to use it for contraception as well as the SP can interfere.
I never grew on the yasmin alone as well, it is only since combining it with the Fenugreek and Nettle that things really seem to be happening for me.
I do have quite a bad hormone imbalance though and this is why it may be working well for me.

If I was you I would ramp up the Fenugreek to 3 times a day and see what happens for a month or two. You can go up to 4 or more if you like, the four worked well for me when I wasn't on the pill. I don't know about the Wild Yam, I never used it myself so I don't know. You may also find that lower dosages of SP are better for you, I would certainly only start off with one Nettle root capsule when you start taking it, that may be quite enough for you.
If all that doesn't work you could try and add the Diana.
Bear in mind when I say "worked well" I still didn't grow huge amounts, it was just some growth and not that very noticeable to anyone but me really and I often doubted seeing it myself. I just noticed them getting a bit rounder and wider at the sides etc. Take pictures every month and compare all the two month pictures, and watch how you fit your clothes. The clothes are where I notice it most.
As long as you have pains don't get so discouraged, I know how hard it is and I felt like you do just now plenty of times. Don't get discouraged though, keep going and tweak your routine a bit like I said and you will get there. I do think that it is harder for us who have hardly any boobs to start with because we basically have to do all the developing we never had during puberty.

I believe what helped me was massaging with lotion mixed with some EPO and Fennel extract, I still use that now and my boobs look bigger in the morning when I have applied it at night.

I also try and visualise my boobs getting bigger at night, and this other girl, I forgot her name, just said a month ago how she set herself a goal of so many inches or whatever in a months time and actually reached that. I believe that this is a very good method and I just started it myself after reading hers. My goal is to fill my 32 A cup bra on the 20th of November, and I was nearly there this morning. This may be with swelling or whatever, so I have to wait after my period to see but even nearly there is better than what I was before.
Applying heat is good as well, that helped me I believe after the massages, just not too hot and for longer than 15 minutes. I just got lasy with it, it is so much fuss and it is a bit awkward doing all that half hour routine before going to bed with my boyfriend being around.

Definite signs of growing? I am not sure, in the first four months I definitely felt something was happening, and after my break then and losing weight and having stress just totally seemed to slow me down.

Are you androgen dominant as well or why did you get the Diana prescribed? If you are you could let me know how much SP you take exactly. Is it extract or berries? Depending on your androgen levels you may need to increase or reduce the SP.

I hope this helps, and don't worry, I am sure you will grow, you just have to find the right formula that works for you and be patient. I know it is hard but it is worth it in the end, believe me!

hello Lisa

thank you so much for your thorough answer. i was thinking of increasing the fenugreek as well cos i might be too low with estrogens. Mind i got the most clear tingling only once it was in the very beginning (11th day of 1st cycle)when i had just ramped up fenugreek to 3 per day.

yes, according to the online hormone tests i can be sure only about my androgen dominance (always some pimples, specally on back, greasy skin, a bit of extra hair) and i have found that saw palmetto has made it so much better now.

i had lots of positivity in the beginning cos before even the actual start i had lot of fenneltea and the preperiod swelling was obvious and i never had that before in my life.

i find the herbal deodorant suggestion interesting as well since i'm stil using the aluminium one. It's hard to find anything specific here in Italy since i'm a foreignstudent and things are complicated in every way.

about the hypnosis and imageing i find it so difficult cos usually i get so depressed after looking myself in the mirror after the shower and going to bed. It would be so much easier if i realised something was happening already.

i don't want to give up and i really appreciate your support and advice. i just hope to figure out soon what works for me. I remember you mentioning that nettle seemed to work bette? But then again it could have been the cowork with bcp.

Anyway thank you so much and i'm so happy for you lucky girl.

Sincerely,
Bonnette

Bonnette, I am sure if you ramp up your Fenugreek things will get better, don't give up and try and stay positive. Don't look at your boobs in the mirror, massage them at night before you go to your bed, bend forward when you do it so they feel and seem bigger already, like that they are also easier to massage.
Just imagine your blood flowing into your boobs and them swelling and getting bigger when you are in bed and that you will have bigger boobs soon.

Here is a website that is worth reading through, it gives advice on what to eat at the bottom of the page if you have elevated testosterone levels and it may help in future too.

I believe the Nettle works better in general, I started taking it before I used the BCP I believe and I noticed immediately. I sweat a lot with the androgen levels and I notice a difference only a few hours after taking doses of SP or Nettle. I just seem to have to take less nettle than SP to have the same and even better effect.

Stick with the SP just now but you can substitute it later too or try and increasing it too depending on how much you are taking just now.

I am sure you will see signs of growth soon, just stay positive, take the extra Fenugreek and see what happens. If there still isn't much change in tingles etc. you can try taking four the month after.

You can try ordering the deo over the internet if it is hard to come by them where you are staying.

Good luck!

sorry, forgot the weblink, here it is:

https://oasis.abertay.ac.uk/oasis/sits.urd/run/siw_lgn

Lisa, what do you mean by fennelextract? How do you make that for using in a lotion? I have fennel seed at home, so I was just wondering how you get fennel extract from the fennel seed. How much you use, etc. Do you grind it up, and what would you use to grind up fennel seed? Sorry for sounding dumb. Thanks for your help, and CONGRATS on your success!

Hello Mary Lin, don't apologise, your questions weren't stupid. You can buy extract in the shops if you want to use it immediately or you can make it cheep at home, it just takes a bit longer.
I just followed the instructions on this website, you have to wait for it for two to four weeks though but the stuff works fine, at least for me.
This is the link: http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/learn/extract.php

Good luck

Okay I read that and I am confused!? After you soak the fennel seeds in alcohol for four weeks, you drain all the liquid out into a bowl...right? Then what do you keep, the saturated fennel seeds or the liquid? I reread the article several times, but was not making sense of it. And then do you use just small parts of this into your lotion for massage? Again thanks for all your help!!!

You keep the liquid, and yes, I just mix a small amount with lotion. Usually about 3ml of extract with about 3 tablespoons of lotion. You have to watch with how much you use because it is very potent and will be absorbed by the system. Start off with little to see if you have any adverse reactions to start with.
Good luck.

what kind of lotion do you mix the extract with? any particular kind?

How much of this do you make at a time. It says 1 part fennel to five part alcohol, and do you use vodka? Do you use a big jar for this, would a baby food jar work? Do you put the fennel in there and put enough vodka over the seeds to just cover them or do you need more than that? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make it right. I REALLY appreciate all your help!!! It says 4-6 weeks, so how do you know when they are done? And finally you just drain all the liquid from the seeds and store the liquid (throw away the seeds?).

First off, I don't use any particular lotion. At the moment I use dove lotion with Vitamin E or something. It really doesn't matter.

Regarding the extract, you can use any kind of alcohol that has app. 40% of alcohol in it, vodka or whatever else you can find. I used about 400 ml or so I think, maybe less, but it reduces quite a bit when it is finished.
Just use a jar that you can put a lid on like it says, like a jam jar or whatever.
You just let it sit for 4-6 weeks, put a date on it or so and take it out and do what they say to do with it.
With a 5 to 1 mix the alcohol should always be covering the Fennel seeds.