okay. heres what i get:

faithful has a problem with she cant take pills and if i recall is allergic to cocoa butter. she started on wild yam cream. good good. she needs to find a way to help the fat go to her boobs instead of her belly (dont we all) and is getting frustrated. she has a low bmi but really cant increase it with any sense of speed and she is small framed so it might look strange anyway (so am i, so i hear ya, sista, and the stupid military wont let me go over a certain bmi anyway).

so we need external means, dont mess with the diet (no chicken feet and such... i never had them but i cant say as they particularly whet my appetite anyway), massage or coaxing fat around, to help someone balance her hormones and get the boobies a-growin'.

so lets get started.

wild yam. good thing, i think, and heres why: they dont want you to take it on birth control, internally or externally. progesterone cream the same way. because it renders them essentially ineffective. this is because it (as i understand it) works to balance out the hormones which the pills countereffect (causing you to, of course, not become pregnant, as is their purpose).

pm i heard is the same concept, another one you cant take on bcp.

another thing, when you do the massage, are you using the technique where you "grab" the fat from the back and the armpit and move it towards the boob area? that always seems to make mine seem fuller.

also, heres a huge one even though it sounds strange (especially coming from me... im cranky today too!): you need to think POSITIVE. you need to picture your boobs and know that is where they WILL be, not where you want them or what they look like now, but where they WILL be and how they WILL look. at least 15 minutes a day. no matter what else is bugging you, you need to make sure you stay positive about this, because the mind is way more powerful than you think. read some of the threads like of people losing hope... even though they are people on pills, which you cant be right now, go ahead and read them just to get POSITIVE thoughts in that pretty little head of yours.

happiness dont grow on trees, girly... you gotta make it! (i might be mixing that up with money, but it works anyway)

so lets go. constructive. like we usually are. anything with something snotty to say, dont put it on this thread. go ahead and start another one and address it to me and i will be MORE than happy to represent! bring it! i hope i dont have to do that, cause i love you girls... but i dont want them on here!

hugs and good boobie wishes!

how about some kind of cream that contains collagen and dont some regular lotions have soy in them, both together might help? just an idea. good luck.

You CAN take PM on bcp. Diana, one of the actual staff at Pueraria.co.uk has already posted about this in the PM forum itself.

but while we r on the subject what exactly is pm and what does it do and who does it work best on? thanks:)

No, not you Diana. Diana one of the actual owners of Pueraria.co.uk has posted about this exact thing in the PM forum here.

PM is Pueraria Mirifica, a herb from Thailand. You do NOT take other herbs in conjunction with it when doing NBE, as it is extremely potent.

I saw great growth when using it, but my Doc thought it might intereact with another medication I am on, so I looked into Natureday, she cleared that as being fine, and I have been growing very fast on it, as have a few others.

PM is brilliant though, if you can take it. I was seriously amazed at the growth.

Way to go Emmie constructive & supportive.....you rock!!! Faith full how about the herbal deodorant Lisa121 wrote about? Could be worth incorporating into your routine sice it is put on the lymph nodes under your arm & contains NBE herbs check out the thread!
Good luck!

Thank you for start a new thread emmie! Very much appriciated.

I do listen to the innertalk hypnosis cd so i guess that counts as thinking positivly about boobs growing??i'll give the way of massarging that your have suggested a go aswell, i usully just go in circular motions.

I've not seen any moisterisers with collogen in them, only celulite creams with it in and i dont think that would encourage boob growth. My wild yam cream is a low dose of 7% and it does have aloe and vitamin E in it aswell.

Diana-I recently started a thread about collagen and NBE i thaught it could work , and the info i found backed it up-What are you using with Collagen in?I was going to buy 100%collagen pills off internet-but i was going to squeese the stuff out of the capsules for massage-then i realised i had no idea if it is a liquid or powder lol

Really interested in collagen and gelatine at present

Im not using wild yam, i use borage oil and fennel in massage and they are both great

I find the movement in massage-where u make your hands into fists, and circle round and down-That seems to really plump mine up more

Is it more of a grabbing and twist/pull sort of motion then, sort of a lift a squeeze? lol

HA lol-isnt it funny trying to explain the moves-

I know which move Emmie means-I just can't do it very well,i havn't got that much fat to grab, and end up just scratching and dragging the skin of my boobs with my nail extentions.
so i do that move less than the others.

And do any of you do the tapping behind the shoulder thing ?

actually the palmers cocoa butter bust firming cream has collagen. i dont use it. i use 100 cocoa butter but want to get pills for massage. figured since she is allergic to cb. she could still get the benefit of the collegen. worth a try? good luck.

lol definatly a weird trying to explain massarges GingerD! I havnt got much to grab, i just have puffy nips lol so i've not got much to grab myself.

i will keep a look out for creams that have collogen in them diana, i havnt seen any about though. The palmers one sounds good, but cocoa butter makes me itch like mad lol so as you said it probably wouldnt be much good to me!

Thank you both for your replies :)

I think you would be ok with some Evening primorse cream-its very nice you can get it from marks and spencers

What iv read on the forum is things with a high GLA content are very good for NBE and massage.(i use borage)

GLA means:gamma-Linolenic acid-it is an omega-6 fatty acid that exists primarily in plant fats.
GLA is a precursor of prostaglandin E1, which has a role in regulation of immune system function

What its found in:GLA is found in oenothera (evening primrose) oil, blackcurrant seed oil, borage oil, hemp seed oil, and spirulina.
Each contains varying amounts of the fatty acid, with borage oil usually being the most heavily concentrated form

What it does:essential fatty acids (EFAs) play a significant role in our health. Among other things, they aid growth and reproduction, support proper kidney function and adrenal health, and support immunity.

Hope this helps

Thank you i might it a go once i've ran out of my wild yam cream

I've been wondering this for a while but would using wild yam cream on my lower tummy help with hormones or just cause weight gain there? I only use in on my chest at the moment.

Sorry if its a silly question

i am guessing it would affect ur period but i have no idea try that website. cause i know it says to put it on breasts, tummy and inner thighs. good luck.

Internal Flax seed oil,, was suggested to Amber, and she passed along the info. Flax seed oil helps direct growth to the boobs,,, fats to the boobs. Borage oil has been suggested by women on this forum that have had amazing results.I think Flax and Brage are the 2 highest rated oils for NBE>

Vit. E for massage will also help keep whatever growth you have had.

Thank you for your replies.

I dont really want to take anything interally at the moment.

I am using a wild yam cream that is 7% (low dose?) and it does have aloe and vitamine E in it. On the tub is says to use on breasts and tummy and i was wondering that as i'm using in an attempt to encourage fat to be stored on my chest that it would encourage fat to be stored on my tummy as well if i used there and on my chest. I really dont want more fat on my stomach its already quite podgy compared to the rest of me

I did look on that webpage but there wasnt really anything about any effects on her weight

to my understanding just kind of tells the hormones to concentrate at the places u put them. doesnt grow fat, i think.

I might try the back fo the neck instead then because i dont really want to encourage weight gain on my tummy or thighs and i doubt you could gain anything on your neck! thank you for replying diana

also, just for a little boobie and overall skin conditioning, dove now has a soap with a pretty high collagen content. i think its not just helping the boobs but helping all of my skin... i love it...

sorry for the late posts, too... i went off for a short vacation to see my parents for the holiday.

have you tried massaging with borage oil or flaxseed oil? they dont get as deep in, but they may be good anyway. i use epo just because i have extra. it smells pretty bad... i only use it at night!

hugs and good boobie wishes!

You can try massaging with vitamin E and evening primrose or borage oil. Have you tried shea butter? It's a natural fat like cocoa butter, so it might work in the same manner. It's worth a shot. Also, people here have mentioned olive oil as being good for massage.

thank you for your replies,

I will have a look out for the dove shower gel, sounds pritty good emmie ;)

I've never seen evening primrose in a liquid form, only in tablets....or do you just get some liquid tablets and use them?

Hey Faith EPo-I got a 500 ML bottle from a local new age shop for about £5.00,they do have a web site for where mine is from it is:
http://www.airyfairy.org/
Iv looked on ebay for you and you can get it in various different sizes.just search for it
and also i baught some EPO capsules from the pound shop so you could be as well snipping them open for massage

hope that helps you out Happy growing-u had any more pains yet?

yup. u can just pierce them and get the liquid out.

Thanx gingerD! I still gets twinges and i'm getting itchy aswell, dont know if thats just the cream making me itch though

well thats positive stuff then hey!!!!U must be well chuffed and alittle excited

are you going to do a Program page-when you have decided what your boobie batter will consist of?
It would be a good idea as there arnt many who are just doing massage alone,i also belivev the massage is working excellent and cant reccomend it enough-but i began massage with herbs-and i darnt stop either/or incase the bit of growth iv had went down.

any way good luck

well its not massarge alone....I massarge with wild yam cream twice a day and i listen to the innertalk hypnosis CD as i fall asleep every night.

The tingles are exciting but i dont want to get my hopes up and then be disappointed. I keep looking and i think there is a bit of a difference, but since i didnt measure before i started i dont know for sure.

im a fool... its ST IVES, not dove. though dove may make one too... st ives is cheaper than dove, though, so i get st ives!

sorry about that! but i like it... and it smells good!

hugs and good boobie wishes!

Thanks emmie, i will definatly keep an eye out for it!

does anyone think it woould be a good idea to use progesterone cream, instead of my wild yam cream. Also does anyone know of any good places to get some from, i've not seen in on sale in shops and i'm from the UK so i'm guessing somewhere on the net would be best

Hi Faith ful, what's your current routine and how's it going?
For creams, I think one containing boobie friendly herbs, like wild yam, is a good choice, herbs are afterall the essential thing to NBE and with a cream you can get that stuff into the boobies without having to consume things. I think WU cream must also be quite good. Collagen in any form is in NBE is a source of proteins and proteins are very important for growth of any tissue, you must make sure your get enough proteins into your system one way or the other. A tip for massage with herb creams - apply temperature while massaging, because that makes pores in the skin open and the substances pass through the skin better. I usually just turn on the hair dryier and place it so that it blows towards me (lol).

lol i might have to steal the idea about the hairdryer moon ;)Though i might have to sort myself out a mini hotwater bottle or something for it soon.

Whats WU cream, where can you get it from?

WU (Wonderup) is a comercial NBE procuct and the only one (I've heard of) which has proved to be effective, many girls on this forum are using it and getting some great results. It's in pills form and also in cream, which contains the same ingredients. I'm thiking on buying it because it doesn't smell like most NBE creams do, I used to use another cream which smelled horribly like fenugreek, yuk, and what's the point of growing boobs if you smell lol!

yes i definatly agree with yo about the smell moon lol. I get paranoid about my wild yam cream giving off a smell. where can you get the wonderup cream from? Is it expensive? (i havnt got alot of money :( )

You can get WU at http://www.vortexhealth.net/ but yes, unfortunately it's a bit expensive, the cream is cheeper than pills tho.

Thank you moon, i will definatly give the website a read through :)

It says on the website that the cream alone will not produce growth, its is only a supplement with the pills to speed things up :(

I've been thinking of giving progesterone cream a try, does anyone think it would be a bad idea?

I'm not sure how good that would be in your case. This thing is that your body is low on its own hormones because your ovaries are shut down and delivering external hormones is actually a signal for the body to produce less of its own hormones so they could 'shut down even more.' The most important thing you lack for boob growth right now is estrogen, though progesterone and prolactin too, but delivering that externally could make up for an even worse hormonal imbalance. I don't know this for sure, cause your situation is very specific, NBE hasn't been attempted 'pre-puberty' before (eventhough you are older, but the conditions is your body are like before puberty). But someone else with medical knowledge should give their oppinion, I'm not sure how external progesterone would act on your body.
I know we've already been over this but the easiest and possibly the only way for you is to get your period ASAP. Meanwhile massage and hypnosis are probably the most efficient methods.

Hi Faith_full, when I was researching on breast creams, I came across this cream and thought about you...don't know if it would help, but could be worth a try as it's formulated for teenagers. Good luck to you!!! :)

Here's the link: http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=403&owner=694

thanx moon, i definatly see your poitn. I cant hurry up my peroid naturally though, i've been told that it can take a year, even from when you are at a healthy weight, to have peroids return.

Thanx michelle i think i'm going to give that cream a shot.