What i have noticed is when i don't take my WU pills-Ie at the weekends im so buisy i forget and trying to loose weight as well-Different story

I get quite continus pain on a monday morning-and when i do take my wonder up the pain increaes slightly and also continues for a longer time than when i take them as usual through the week
Its now 3.50 afternoon-i took my pills about an hour ago and under my arms -and that bit that sticks out somtimes in vests feels almost like iv pulled mussles or somthing.

I just wondered has this happened to others ?any one know why?, and would it be a good idea to keep doing this as i don't really get alot of pain in the week, just occassional shoots-and they are mainly under the arms not the chest.

Any feed back would be great cheers

GingerD

hi ginger,

i am quite new as well, so this is just a guess, but maybe lower dosage would be better for you, like when you forget to take your pills, the amoutn of phytoestrogen in your blood probably lowers, and since that is when you get most pains, maybe that's the amount your body responds to better. not sure if this explanation is clear...

actually mark seems to add up what you said-Thanks

The thing is though when i began NBE about 4 months ago i gradually increased my dose, from 2 pills then 4 etc so i would have thaught my body got used to it.

Would u sugest lowering the does again and see if the pain continues?

Hey-P.s good luck with your program!!!!

yeah, that is a bit strange that it didn't do anything at the beginning, but it probably takes a few weeks until the herbs kick in. i didn't have any pains in my first six weeks. you can try lowering your dose and see if it works, i would try it for a week or two and if you keep having pains, it might be the right dosage for you, if the pains go away than ramp up again. i'm not that experienced but according to a lot of people if your dosage is too high it's not effective anymore.
good luck with your boobie project and weightloss and everything, hugs

I'm taking individual herbs not WU and I got those pains last month just before my period and now they're back - I really thought I'd pulled a muscle or something. I don't forget my pills and if I do; I take them right away. I wonder if we're growing during this phase? Is your pain at a particular time during your cycle or only when you forget?

I've heard of this before, that girls get pains when they forget to take a dose. I don't get more pains when I forget a dose and I take quite low ammounts of herbs. I did always get more pains right after I changed sth in my routine and I wondered if forgetting to take a dose is also like a change for the body, because it was used to getting this regular intake of herbs, and so when it doesn't get it the pains occur. What I don't know is why would our bodies respond so to a change. We also don't know what exactly pains are, are they a direct conscequence of cells dividing, growth? Or are they another conscequence of herbs, just like growth is, so they accompany it, but aren't directly related to it... Obviously I have no idea so I'm just theorising here :p But I thought that the normal dose of WU is 6 pills, so 4 pills shouldn't be too much, or am I mistaking?

Hi guys-It gets more and more puzzling

I don't have peroids as im on the rod- contraceptive stuck in arm for 5 years-i havnt really had a period since last april.
Although since NBE i have had light spotting every now and then-but from reading previos threads this is ok.

Moon Thank you for your responce-I keep thinking of diferent things also-but they are also theroies-
regarding the change in our body when less herbs are there would make sence i supose but i wouldnt think the pain would be directed just to the bust-although the herbs are for the bust u would think the pain/lack of herbs would may be affect other areas of the body?

are they a direct conscequence of cells dividing, growth? -I would really like this to be the explination, but i don't supose any one can say for definate if this is the case

Any other theories?

Hmm, that's a good question about the pains all over the body. What has me puzzled is that we experience pains only in our boobs and in one place else - in the armpits. I can't figure out why in the armpits. Now about what exactly pains are, regerdles of the occasion we get them, I think we we can observe one thing - pains, if they have to do with growth at all, in my oppinion have to do with glandular growth and not with fat tissue growth, because estrogens do affect fat tissue growth in other parts of the body and we don't experience pains there. But we know that some girls have grown without having much or any pains, so this means that with NBE we achieve glandular as well as fat tissue growth.

And just a thing I would like to add about NBE - make sure you have a good blood circulation! It's probably one of the most important things for growth. I've just recently learnt this and must repeat it on every occasion. ;)

maybe slightly chnging the routeen like that stopps the body from being too used to the pills? i don't know if any of this is true but i found the same thing happened a couple of weeks ago. xxx

moon-

i think the deal with the armpits giving the tingles is because a major artery runs through there... if you have seen black hawk down when the guy gets hurt in the leg and dies from it? the same can happen with a tragic wound basically to the armpit. it would stand to reason that a lot of the blood that affects boobie growth passes around there, so stimulating that area would be condusive to be... and when it IS stimulated, it itches just the same and then the area right below it, which contains fat that can be part of the boobs, starts tingling as well. might be a reason that deoderant lisa was talking about may be helping some people, because the skin on that part of the armpit is very very thin and tends to be very porous (sweat glands!) so it gets the nutrients direct to the bloodstream and straight to the boobies.

but im no med student. this is what i know just based on the fact that i dont want to get shot in the armpit!

hugs and good boobie wishes, all!

Had to LOL when I saw your reply! Nope, don't think that I want to be shot in the armpit either! Of course, after working outside in the sun, my armpits could probably be classified as lethal weapons or a biohazard! :-) Which brings me to another question..Currently I'm taking BB pills, has anyone else on either BO or herbs noticed that their underarm areas get hotter faster and/or sweat more? I can wear cotton t-shirts or turtlenecks fine, but adding a sweater causes the nasties to happen. I swear that the deodorant "that's strong enough for a man, but made for a woman" isn't strong enough! Thanks in advance. Gotta keep them babies cold in order to be sociable!

@Emmie - I was considering the axilar artery had sth to do with it as well, but I thought that shouldn't matter, because in any case substances that are carried in the blood can act on cells only after reaching capilary bed and of course the target cells, which are cells carrying their receptors, which are the boobs. I dunno if there's sth in the armpit which estrogeinc agents act on. I'm also considering if pains actually have more to do with lymph nodes, cause we know there are lots of those in the boobs as well as in the armpit.


@3monkeysmom - I've heard before other girls reporting increased sweating. I guess it's one of the milder negative side effect that herbs can have.

Monkey-I also have been sweating more-also with out being rude i have a slightly indian takeaway smell because of my boobie batter and i think it must be the fenugreek in the WU

Moon-Regarding circulation-How do you know if you have bad circulation?and what is good for helping icrease circulation?

Emmie- LOL i think we can all agree we definatly do not want to get shot in the arm pit-

Well im back to my normal dose of WU and the pain/ache has again decreased-Yes thats how i would describe it better ACHEs,so i will have to see if the same thing occures this weekend-Or would you guys reccomend just taking my WU streight through?

Thanks again

Hi Ginger!
I started WU 3 weeks ago and I decided to do it the wauy you did it: 2 pills on the first week, 3 on the second week and so on. I am now taking 5 a day, but I only had growing pains at the beginning, when I was taking only 2 a day. Do you think I should switch back to 2 a day? I'm confused...

my melinda-i really don't know-im on 5/6 and iv been on wu nearly 4 months i think.
i also entitially had pain on the lower dose and also when i have forgotten-but as per the threads im still not sure why the pains were stronger on the lower dose
wish i knew chick but hopfuly some one else will show us the light and explain
happy growing gingerD

The most obvious sign of poor circulation is cold hands and feet or just being more cold than it's normal. Poor circulation can be either that it's slow, or that arterioles are constricted. Both of these factors are good to be careful of. For the second one, I learnt that the herb ginko biloba helps incredibly and for the first of course excecise, do ten high jumps every couple of hours every day (that's what I do lol). Anyway, I'm positive that poor circulation was preventing me from growing so far cause since I added ginko biloba to my routine I have persistent pains in my boobs for the first time ever. But I know WU contains ginko bloba anyway, so I guess that is taken care of for you.

Now moon -
u wont belivev this but where im from we have a fraze:"Im always nesh"Nesh=cold-Me and my mum have always been colder than normal, my feet are often like ice-My mum is going through the menopause and she is taking ginco biko-Ok spellings terrible but thats quite amazing to me.-she said it was to help with hot flushes

Is it ok to take this at 23yr old?may sound daft but some things arnt as good for some as others.

Will it also aid NBE?

Thanks so much for that advice-it seems to point out my circulation isnt great

Your experience makes me even more inclined to believe that the ammount of ginko biloba in WU isn't quite high enough. Although it's said that WU contains extracts and that doses should be multiplied with 4. I take 120 mg of GB a day but I don't know whether it's extract of pure, but if it's extract that's quite more than in WU still. Anyway I remeber hearing from a few other girls on WU or separate herbs who weren't growing and had the same cold problem. After the huge difference it has made for me, I would certainly recomend you to take ginko biloba. Aside from the growing pains, I also notice definite signs that it's working - I'm not cold anymore. This time of the year, I used to had to wear two if not three pairs of socks and at times I would just be to cold to come out from the blanket (lol), NOTHING of that anymore whatsoever. Besides this action of peripheral circulation, ginko biloba is also known to improve the blood flow into the brain and that is only great, it improves your mental functions, attention, concentration, etc. It's known that old people take it as a remedy against forgetfulnes. But it also improved peripheral blood flow particulary by dilatating constricted arterioles. GB doesn't have phytoestrogens in it, but I believe that good blood circulation is one of the most important things for NBE, I've read several times that the reason breasts don't develop in the first place is most often hormonal unbalance and poor blood circulation.

Moon, this is great information. I think I'll give it a go as well. I'm always colder than other people in the winter and I often have cold feet and hands. I'll let you know if it works for me.

Moon I wanted to ask you something else: I think there's another herb that can help blood circulation, but I forgot what it's called. It's "vigne rouge" in French, I cant find the translation on the internet, but I found out once on this forum that it could help blood circulation. Do you know what I'm talking about? Do you think that would help as well? And if I get Ginko Biloba, should I get tablets or capsules or does it not matter? How much do you take everyday?

Hi Melinda. I herd that there are a few other hebs good for circulation, one of them red pepper, or chilli if I'm not mistaking. I don't know how good it is as I didn't try it, maybe it's just as good as ginko biloba, but I'd swear on GB. I actually get mine as capsules ment for old people against forgetfulness (lol) cause it's the cheapest to find and it doesn't really matter what it's sold for, as long as it's the herb I need. It doesn't matter either if it's in capsule or tablet form. I take 120 mg per day, I think it's an extract but I'm not sure. In any case a recomended dose should be stated with anything that you buy.
As a side note, I didn't feel a difference right away, but in about 2 weeks after adding it, suddenly growing pains bang! It depends on the part of your cycle when you'll start feeling it kick in, as pains are the strongest towards the end of the cycle and arround ovulation, while during period there usually aren't any.
Anyway, I'll be very interested in hearing your experince with it, I'm all enthusiastic to find out if this is really as significent to NBE as I think it is, that most women who have trouble growing it's because of circulation, and of curse it if does turn out so, yell it from the housetops, lol. :P

I got GB yesterday and started taking it. A capsule is 250mg and they recommend to take it 3 times a day, but I'm just gonna take one a day, it should be enough I guess. I'll let you know if it works on me. I felt growing pains at the very beginning of NBE (first week) but I haven't felt huge pains since (I started one month ago) The pains very slight and don't come very often. So we'll see if GB helps...