Eve why would you remove a topic on here that obviously discusses what MANY people on here are thinking?? I used to think that this was an honest forum with HONEST people where you can openly talk about anything. I think the authenticity of some people here NEEDS to be discussed, we get our hopes up due to what total strangers say and show through their pictures, and we spend alot of $$ on it! So why can't we talk about what we think is actually realistically achievable or not?

If this forum does not remain open and honest, it will get the reputation of the place NOT to go to get real advice.

Seriously, people are applauding photos where there is NO difference, photos that are obviously not 100% authentic and people are believing everything that they are told. We have to remain open minded and realistic about what we can actually achieve with our bodies otherwise we will keep seeing so many woman getting down about what is NOT happening...

Please let this topic get discussed and finished with so everyone can get on with why we are all here...

There is no bar here on discussion on any subject. It surprises me greatly that you think there might be. There is however a bar on abuse and the two threads I removed were more about name calling than anything that could be termed discussion. You and others are free to carry on discussion of any subject you like but it needs to be genuine discussion and not abuse. Abusive messages will continue to be removed and I would like to repeat my previous request that anyone seeing an abusive message should report it rather than respond to it. It does not help if people seeing an abusive message respond to it and help to develop a lengthy thread out of it.

Josie07, you said "why can't we talk about what we think..." The strange thing is that I can't remember any posts from you before. It seems odd that you feel your right to free speech is being curtailed when you don't seem to have posted anything before. I just wondered what provoked you into this sudden desire to talk?

Sabrina

I agree that people are applauding to photos which show no difference. I'm all for support and that, but if there's no difference in a photo, I'm going to say there isn't. It's not like it's something subjective - "*I* deffinitely see a difference!" Well we all have eyes, so if someone sees it and I don't, one of us must be halucinating. I wish people would stop pretending they can change reality with their wishes. We all know a photo will only show considerable growth, but a minimal starting growth, which one may be able to notice when looking closely at ther boobs or when holding them won't show on a photo.

But on the other hand, you can't be 100% sure that some photos here are obviously not authentic. Yes, some people are naive, but the other extreme is to be over-sceptical - that is not exactly realistic either. I wouldn't bet with 100% certainity that Amber's and Cheryl's pictures are authentic (or that they aren't), but in either case this is totally irrelevant to me, cause I for one don't passively believe and follow everything that I'm told, I don't do NBE on blind guess, but I seek scientifical information and try to listen very closely to my body and read the signs it gives me to know what I must do for my NBE. That's what one has to do if they really want the best chances for sucess, but if they don't, it's their fault if they get misled, fail or spend great ammounts of $$ on nothing. I've got a lot of tips from Tiger Lilly's program for my own NBE quest so I don't doubt the genuineness of her results. When I see some growth on myself, I'll definitely post pictures and if someone then doesn't want to believe they're authentic, I really don't give a rat's ass (sorry for the language). I think I have demonstrated enough evidence that I'm a real girl trying to grow boobs, not some advertisment, with the information and support I've given, and this I say because the same goes for all the regular girls here, anyone is their rational mind should be capable of judging that and if they're not, their loss.

I think a lot more frequent probable and scenario than women getting down for not suceeding in NBE is women being down for their whole lives believing that they're doomed to have small breasts, that there's nothing they can do and resigning to their complexes.

^up there from Moon

I don't think Josie07 has any relevant point to make at all. It is obvious from reading this forum that Eve allows people to express doubts or question the authenticity of others. Like Eve, I'm surprised that Josie07 can't see that. Maybe she should read all the threads. Although I did not see the two threads which were removed, I'm sure if Eve removed them they must have been personal attacks on others rather than the genuine discussion on authenticity that Josie07 makes them sound like. I know Eve does not act as a censor and the material removed must have been vindictive if Eve felt she had to take action.