1. I wouldn't say that SP is not good for growing at all. It helps some girls. Whenever I took it, I got instant tingles but also gained weight with it. Can't say it did anything for me at all apart from the tingles and the weight gain, but that isn't to say that it won't work for you. Are you taking it and are you growing with it?
2. Mirifem cream or WU cream, which is best? I've only tried mirifem cream and did get growth from it. But, I later learned about the negative side of mineral oils etc so stopped using it as it contains mineral oils. As far as I know, WU cream is all safe and natural. After trying all sorts of creams and batters......some of which made my chest all spotty.....ewh, my preferred method is to massage with a starflower/borage capsule, a vit E cap and I throw some rosehip oil into the mix. It absorbs well and gives nice results.
3. Vitex.......yes, it is really working :-) Am now on the 3rd pot. My libido (sexual desire) has increased greatly since taking it. No more painful periods, PMS, sugar cravings, mood swings. No weight gain. No hair loss. My skin is better. I feel more energetic than ever before.....and happier. Best of all, I broke my stall and my boobs are growing again.
Hello faerycat, thank you very much for your quick response.
I'm confused about Vitex, you said that your libido (sexual desire) has increased greatly since taking it but it is known since for ever as the herb for decrease libido (??).
About massage I think I'll try now to massage with primrose oil instead or WU cream because I'm not growing at all, never grow since when I started my routine at last summer...
Copy and paste something i wrote on another post...
Vitex tends to balance hormones and tends to increase progesterone.
From what I've read prior to starting NBE and choosing my routine:
Libido depends of many factors, progesterone doesn't lower one's libido, in fact, when you raise progesterone, dopamine levels tend to be raised as well. Dopamine is responsible for feelings of well being and excitement. Libido also depends on testosterone, not only in men but in women as well. That's why vitex may lower ,increase or simply do not affect one's libido, vitex balances the ratio between estrogen and progesterone, also may have an anti-androgenic effect and lower prolactin levels when they're in excess.
Now, taken from http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Vitex+agnus-castus
" Agnus castus has been used for thousands of years for its beneficial affect on the female hormonal system. Modern research has confirmed this use, the seeds being used to restore balanced functioning to the female reproductive system[254]. The seeds and fruits are anaphrodisiac, aphrodisiac, galactogogue, ophthalmic, sedative, stomachic, women's complaints[89, 148, 165]. Prolonged usage restores corpus luteum function[165]. Unfortunately, the berries are unlikely to be produced in the British climate[K]. The berries of this plant have a range of medicinal actions but possibly the most important is its ability to rectify hormonal imbalances caused by an excess of oestrogen and an insufficiency of progesterone[224]. It acts upon the pituitary gland, reducing the production of certain hormones and increasing the production of others, shifting the balance in favour of the gestagens. Thus it has a wide application of uses in malfunctions of the feminine reproductive system and has been used with great effect in restoring absent menstruation, regulating heavy periods, restoring fertility when this is caused by hormonal imbalance, relieving pre-menstrual tension and easing the change of the menopause[224]. Some caution is advised since excessive doses can cause a nervous disorder known as formication, which manifests as a sensation of insects crawling over the skin[238]. The berries are considered to be an aphrodisiac[89], though other reports say that they are anaphrodisiac[11, 46]. The reason for this apparent disagreement is that the berries have a regulating effect on the body and so are likely to increase sexual activity in those who are not very active in this area whilst reducing it in those who are very active[K]. The fresh berries are pounded to a pulp and used in the form of a tincture for the relief of paralysis, pains in the limbs, weakness etc[4]."
Just a small tip, there's lots of posts in this forum about vitex/agnus castus/chasteberry maybe it's worth awhile making use of the search tool and reading them. :P
Feary your pics are amazing !!!! u go girl
feary r u still using wu pills?
n do u get any sensations of creepy crawlys on your skin using AC?-i just could not cope if this occured
Im on a break right now loosing the weight-i was thinking if u had stoped the WU pills i could do the same im alittle afraid of starting up again and ending up like a bloated pig again,or do u think theAC has helped control the weight gain?
Im thinking at the minuit of:what do u think
WU X 6
AC X 1
Borage X1
EPO -iv been massaging but thinking of eating
Possibly venus cream added to my shea butter,+fenugreek instead of fennel-cant stand the smell or instead of my mix.-i have about 3 different mixxes at pres in different tubs
Lol....I know what is said about vitex and libido, but am yet to find a girl who can back up this theory. Have you heard of 'old wives tales'? I think the vitex myth has a lot to do with that.
Read on at what violet says........thanks violet :-)
Creepy crawlies? lololo.........golly no. Wherever did you get that idea from? hee hee!!
Ok gingerD babes, I want you growing BIG time now you're back from hols, so get this.......I've cut WU down to 2 tabs a day........YAY and I don't pong of curry now. I take 4 caps of vitex a day which adds up to 1600mg of the stuff a day. Still doing all the ususal vits, oils and massages etc, but am growing again. This is what we want.......right? lol
So why not cut back on the WU and up the vitex and see how you go.
Shame about the bikini. Never mind, you will be spilling out of it by the summer time and needing a DDD one....lol.
How long did it take for you to start growing on vitex? I've been taking it for 3 weeks now and I also feel much healthier and happier (even my boyfriend 's noticed, he asked me if my new pills contained birth seed, as I've been singing alot sinds I received them), but I have no extra growth yet..
Hey Anna....that's awesome that you are feeling healthier and happier. If you read the first paragraph of what violet says, it makes a lot of sense as to the way we are feeling :-)
QUOTE- Vitex tends to balance hormones and tends to increase progesterone.
From what I've read prior to starting NBE and choosing my routine:
Libido depends of many factors, progesterone doesn't lower one's libido, in fact, when you raise progesterone, dopamine levels tend to be raised as well. Dopamine is responsible for feelings of well being and excitement. Libido also depends on testosterone, not only in men but in women as well. That's why vitex may lower ,increase or simply do not affect one's libido, vitex balances the ratio between estrogen and progesterone, also may have an anti-androgenic effect and lower prolactin levels when they're in excess.
YAY for raised dopamine levels!!
It took just over 4 weeks to notice any visible growth with vitex, but the growth came steadily after that. And I did cut right back on phytoestrogens at that point too, which I do feel makes a difference. Less work for the vitex to do when it comes to balancing what you have.
it was that post above ,about taking AC -that got me worried.
yeh shame but i was kind of glad i would av fell out with my family most probs b4 getting into the pool.
i have seen recent posts about fat injections, and i have to admit,im v interested now,i rang the best boob job place nr me and they don't do it, n can't seem to find a uk place that do it.
I want to get back into my routine, iv started my masage again but, i just don't want to get as obsesed as i was b4 but you cant elp it.
i felt i was growing more when i was on a lower dose also
cheers 4 the advice chick
lv n good wishes g
