I am thinking of re-starting NBE after my first attempt failed after 4mths of no success. My first attempt at NBE, I took 1 pill of Fenugreek for the 1st day and then increased it by 1 pill for the following 2 days (total 1830 mg), on the 4th day I added Saw Palmetto in the same way and so on and so on....after 2mths of taking 3 of each of the pills below I gradually added 1 more pill of each.......after another 2 mths and 4mths on NBE, I didn't see any difference and was wondering whether I was taking the herbs incorrectly?
This time I have decided to take Milk Thistle for 2wks before my period to cleanse my liver first (something which I didn't do the last time)and then go on to the herbs. However, could someone please be kind enough to tell me how many pills I need to start off with on DAY 1 of taking NBE, and what is considered to be a low dosage that I need to ramp up to, and stay on, during the first 1-2 months?
I am 27 yrs old, weigh 110 lbs, no kids, with 32a breasts, and I am thinking of taking the following herbs:
Hi Leigh,
Sorry I am no expert on dosages & such just wanted to remind you that a lot of ladies (myself included) are taking Vitex to balance hormones to compliment their programs.
Good luck,
Are the mg of each herb you listed your days total for long term or just day one? If it's long term (for more than just the first couple days) then you definitely need to increase your doses. I just jumped into my routine at 1500mg of Fenugreek and so on, but I did get nauseous, so maybe do those dosages day one, then up another pill day 2, and then full dose for month one on day three. I copied and pasted this from the newbies page. Hope it helps!
Dosages for Fenugreek and breast size usually are 1800 mg to 2400 mg for AAA-B cups and higher dosages of up to 3000mg for C cups and bigger.
Saw Palmetto is recommended for everyone smaller than a B cup and might not be necessary if your boobs are bigger than this.
Saw Palmetto doses in extract form range from 160mg to 320mg, I am not sure about the berries but would guess that taking up to 3000mg a day is okay, but a lower dose of 500mg to 2000 may well be enough.
Saw Palmetto is used to reduce elevated testosterone levels so if you have an androgen dominance you should incorporate it into your routine and a higher dose may be possible to take for that as well.
Always try the lower doses first for a month or two and if you experience tingles, breast tenderness or breast growth stick to it. If you don't notice anything within a month or two, up your dose by maybe one pill and see if you notice any changes with that.
For more information and guidance you can look at the personal programs page of this forum and there is also plenty of information in the "has anyone tried herbs individually" thread which you can search for on this forum.
The flat to fab book has also been recommended by members such as Sunset, the book gives lots of information on single herbs and NBE.
Thank you for your reply, but wouldn't that be too much per day for month one? The mg I listed were for each pill, and if I did it your way I would need to take maybe 2 Fenugreeks on day one (total 1220 mg), 3 pills on day two and 4 pills on day three, meaning I would be consuming a total of 2440 mg per day. Isn't that a bit too much because I did check out the newbies page and the max. dosage is 2400mg for A-cups. Sorry, I don't want to sound as if I'm challenging you and I do appreciate your help but I thought the max. dosage for A-cups meant long term and not just for month one, is that right? I'm so confused now :-S Please help!
Okay Sorry I was confused on the dosages you were listing - whether they were day totals or just mg of each pill. So if your Fenugreek capsules are each 610mg, then I would do
Day 2:
FG - 1220mg
SP - 1000mg
Flax - 1000mg (do not know for sure the correct min/max dose)
WY - 1000mg (do not know for sure the correct min/max dose)
Day 3:
FG - 1220mg (or 1830 if you would like to go that high. I read the min. should be around 1500mg)
SP - 1500mg (You can go to 2000 if you would like - it is up to you)
Flax - 1500mg (do not know for sure the correct min/max dose)
WY - 1000mg (do not know the correct min/max dose)
EPO - I do not know the min/max dose - I am not taking it yet. I have the bottle with 1000mg softgels, which says to take 1-3 daily. Hopefully someone else will be able to reply with an answer. But if you are going to go ahead with it, ramp it up as you would the flaxseed oil, one pill at a time. BUT I SHOULD ADD, I was told NOT to take this starting my routine, and to introduce it later. I do not know how much later, but I would wait at least one month or more.
WILD YAM - I am taking (3) 425mg capsules daily which means I am taking 1275mg a day, but do not know the correct min/max dosages. I just went by what other people were taking.
FLAX OIL - Looked up the capsules they have available at Vitamin World, and the dosages they recommend are the same as the EPO (at 1000mg per capsule).
FENUGREEK - If I were you, I think I would go up to the 1830mg dose on day 3 and stay at that. I am at 1500 and will be ramping up mine very shortly to 2000 because I have had no pains/tingling. That will be my month 2 dosage.
At day 3, you should stay at those dosages for at least the first month, or until after your first cycle on the routine. If you feel you are growing, stay at the dosages, and when you feel it's slowing, ramp up. The key is to continue at the lowest dose possible while still being able to grow. Also, you do not NEED to ramp up the first three days, but it will help you with nausea and symptoms from it suddenly being introduced.
Check out personal programs page and look at the starting dosages that everyone else is taking. That will help you set your limit to mg's taken of each herb. The dosages I've recommended may be low for a couple of the herbs, so it may be a good idea to scan the personal programs. Sorry for the long post! Hope this helps!
Seperate the pills by AM and PM so the herbs are ALWAYS in the body. Try to seperate them out by 8 hours. For the herbs you take 3 times a day, you could do AM, NOON and PM.
That's okay, I think I should have maybe listed it differently but I was listing the mg for each pill to ask for advice on how many pills I should take but I think that just confused everybody! Sorry!
Thank you so much for your help though. Now, my first attempt at NBE I took 1 of each pill on day one, 2 of each pill on day two, and 3 of each pill on day three (inc. EPO, and WY ). After 2 months of 3 of each pill per day and seeing/feeling nothing, I ramped them all up by 1 pill per day. After another 2 months (total of 4 months on NBE) I gave up after seeing/feeling nothing whatsoever. Do you think it's because I took too much WY and that I shouldn't have taken EPO so early on in my routine??? I'm taking Milk Thistle right now because somebody suggested I take a break and cleanse my liver before trying the herbs again. I just hope to god this time I get my routine right :-S
Drop the EPO and use flax instead,, Use stinging nettles of Sp,, no less than 1000mgs daily. I would use 1000mgs of sp in morning and 1000mgs of sp at night.
Thank you so much for that. Should I use 2000mg of SP even in my first month or is that the max. dosage long term? Also, should I not take or use EPO at all because I remember some girls used to use it for massage, is that right?
Flax and borage have had such good results,, I would use either and stay away from EPO. Use internal and external. Sometimes higher than average amounts of Saw Palmetto are needed for some ladies for a good kick start. And I believe you said you had NOT had kids,, mammory glands have never expanded. I woulf try higher than average dodes of SP to start,, 1000mgs in morning and 1000mgs at night. After 2 weekd you should feel and see difference,, remeber stinging nettle is good stand in for SP,, expect periods to be lighter flow and maybe sooner or later. Anyway give it ago for 2 weeks and then adjust if need be. Keep other herb amounts the same just up the Saw Palmetto. Good Luck,, and don't give up hope,, you just haven't hit the magic potion yet.
Yes I do smoke and I know that can interfere with NBE but I'm planning on quitting soon (promise!). I don't think I have a lower than normal body temp though, and as for trying a new routine I think I will try this one out for 1 month and maybe adjust if I don't see/ feel anything. Thank you so much for your help though, I will keep you updated once I get started.
Hi Snowflake,
Thank you for that. Should I take the same amount of Flax Seed oil too i.e. 2000mg? And did you mean, try 2000mg of SP to start off with and if there's no difference after 2wks then increase the dosage immediately? or wait until after the first month? I know I shouldn't give up really but sometimes it seems as if it's all in vain and I wonder whether there is a magic potion out there for me :-S But thank you for the encouragement, and Good Luck to you too, or have you already sussed out your personal program?
Here is a book that may help you with quitting. Someone on this forum recommended it, so I decided to look it up on Amazon.com. The reviews are amazing. You should read them. I also smoke, and plan on buying this book with my next paycheck.
Hey, thanks for that! I thought you were maybe a non-smoker when you asked me whether I smoked! I'm glad to hear that someone else smokes though, it doesn't make me feel so bad! I'll check out the website you gave me but I know at the end of the day it's all about willpower really. I did stop smoking for 2 weeks in Sept last year and I could have happily carried on NOT smoking but then I was really bored one day and ended buying a packet of cigs (like you do!) and it just went on from there. Now, it's a matter of deciding WHEN I want to quit and sticking to it this time cause I know I can do it really ;-P Still, I'll have a look to see what the website has to offer.
Hahaha, I just read the reviews and one said that it's not about willpower cause you don't need it! I'll take back what I just said then!!! It's got me very interested though I've got to say, I'm gonna see if it's available at an ordinary bookshop now before ordering online! Thanks for that! Good luck at quitting!
Yes try 200mgs of SP,, and yes that does seem like alot,,but you have not had any luck with lower doses, and I have read women's program and some have taken that much. Yes,, about the flax too,, 2000mgs is good. Also give thought to red clover,, its very strong, but maybe 400 mgs aday may help out the fenugreek, and again women have had growing spurts while on it. I think the key RIGHT now is to START you growing,, like a super jumpstart. Keep it simple,, and give a go for 2-3 weeks and see what you feel. Good Luck!!