I have finally decided on what to take for my 3rd attempt (previously tried Perfect C and Wonderup)....does anyone have any opinions on the following programme...any advice is greatly appreciated!!!

3 x 610mg Fennugreek
3 x 500mg Red clover
3 x 500mg Wild Yam
2 x 500mg Saw Palmetto

Also
Flax oil / or maybe borage x 1 per day
Ginko for Circulation x 1 a day

Massage morning with Body Shop cocoa butter
Massage evening with with Red Clover and Wild Yam extract or possibly wild yam cream...not sure which would be best!!! (hot water bottle before massage for 20 mins)

Use herbal deodorant

30mg Protein shake per day

Increase intake of Boobie foods eg fennel

Drink herbal teas eg fennel thoughout day and avoid caffeine

Occasional listening of hypnosis CD (when I can find the time lol!)


I will try these doses for 1 month and if I feel no tingles, will try ramping up (Fennugreek max 3000mg / RC max 3000mg / SP max 1500) but will keep Wild Yam max as 1500mg.

Does anyone know if it is ok to take Wild Yam thoughout the month?

I'm trying to remain positive, and really think that this is the one that will work for me, so fingers crossed!

Thanks to all my Boobie friends

Kxxx

As far as I know with the wild yam it's ok to take all month. I'm doing a similar program to yours, only I'm not using the red clover. I am thinking of adding it in though. But I take my herbs 3 times a day with a daily total of fennugreek 2440mg, saw palmetto 1800mg, and wild yam 1215mg. I also do 1600mg vitex daily and I've just added in flax oil. I'm not a big fan of it so far though, I think it's giving me gas! Ugh! I also use wild yam cream on the breasts twice a day and do a cocoa butter massage once a day. Don't give up, you'll find what works if you keep searching. Good luck! :-)

WU didn't work for you? How long were you on it? Are you per chance very stressed out? I would advise you cayenne instead of or at least in addition to GB.

Lisa - Thanks for the advice. I'm going to go for the wild yam cream instead of the extract, I looked at the cream in Holland and Barratt at the weekend and it looks like it will be good for massage. Thats bad about the flax oil, I suffer from bloating and wind anyway, so it may not be the best oil suppliment for me!!!, I think fennel tea is meant to be good for wind (and boobie growth) so you could try that if it continues to be a problem. Good luck, hope you have growth on your programme!!!


Moon - Thank you also for your advice. I tried WU for 6 months, and added SP for the last 2 months. I didn't get any tingles or signs of growth, so took a few months off and decided to try again. I am a very stressed out kind of a person, and I was going through a rough 6 months, I was also on the pill and think this may have affected the WU. I have been dealing with my stress levels over the past few months and feel that it is the right time to try again. How is your programme going? Have you had any signs of growth since the addition of cayenne?

Flax seed oil causing gas? That's a first. =/

Well, I've read that it can have a laxative effect, so it must be connected somehow. It is pretty weird, but I'm experimenting and on the days I take it I have the problem, and on the days I don't take it no problem. Somehow that's what it's doing to me.

Aha! I've been suspecting for a while that stress might be huge obstacle in NBE and maybe a reson why many of us haven't gotten results yet. It's a known fact actually that stress messes up hormones. I've also always been quite stressed up and recently I'm particulary stressed, so I decided to go on a brake until this period is over. Then I will seriously start doing some meditation/relaxation of some sort as a part of NBE and I'd advise you to do the same. I started doing something like that already, cause I simply need it cause my head it just too messed up, lol. Maybe sometimes it does take working on mental issues before you can battle physical issues.

Oh, cayenne has helped me grately with my cold feet. I used to have 3 pairs of socks on this time of year and still had cold feet all the freakin time - not a trace of that anymore. :) But I think that the last month or two of my former routine were compleately wasted cause I was so stressed. I will be starting again in about a month. Until then, I'm doing all sorts of mind techniques, from hypnosis, subliminal messages to simple relaxation and generally solving mental issues.

Aaah, and if you decide to go on cayenne, it's quite a challenge to take cause it burns, but not so much when you figure it out. There were a couple of topic with whole discussions going on on that, here's one in which I told the besics of how it's best to take cayenne:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/thread/1170361538/last-1170487957/Cold+hands+and+feet

cayenne helps breast growth?

Not growth, but improves circulation. I'm a cold person....I've consantly got cold hands and feet and thats probably due to poor circulation. imroving your circulation could improve your chances of growing cos you need to pump those herbs round the body to where they are needed!

Thanks moon, I'll give cayenne ago....hope it doesn't burn too bad!!

I just worry that i'll always be a stress case, and i'm sure that must affect your hormones. I've been trying not to let things bother me as much recently, but it sucks that its so easy to return to my old ways. I'm one of those people that can never relax....if i sit for more than 10 minutes, i get fidgity and have to get up and do something....you'd think that would improve my circulation lol!! will def try meditation/relaxation thou, cos i've heard its a skill that can be learnt. Let us know how you get on.

Kx

Lol, I'm exactly the same as you, I can't sit still for 10 minutes! When I started doing hypnosis, guess what was my principal prblem - the voice was telling me 'your whole body is so relaxed, so heavy that you can't be bothered to move' and all I was thinking was 'dammit I have an itch!' But it's true, relaxation can be learnt, both physical and mental.

Katie,

The routine looks good but it also depends on your physical characteristics. If you are, for example, a 32AAAA then 3000mg of anything might be a bit much unless you ramp up to it. On the other hand, if you were 36DD, then 3000mg of just fenugreek would not be enough. The speed at which you would ramp your herbs up would also depend upon your size, otherwise you stand a chance of stalling.

Wahaika

Thanks for this Wahaika,

I'm going to spend some time today looking at the info on ramping up doses. I'm a 36aa, 61kg and about 5ft10inches, so small boobs but big everything else!!!

Is it best to ramp up slowly when you are starting small? Also does it make a difference when, like me you are a tall/bigger person?


By the way, it is lovely to see you over on this board... regularly read the BE board (but don't post there) and (i'm sure i speak for everyone here) you are very welcome here!!

Kx

Thanks Katie!

It also makes a difference how old you are and if you have breastfed children or not. Basically, the older you are the longer it could take because of growth hormone production decline. Those who have breastfed children seem to have an easier time of it because they are really just rebuilding what they once had to an extent.

If you are 61kg and 5'10" then you are not as big as you think. Actually, that sounds about just right to me. If you are wide at the hip then you might find that you start putting it on there also, as well as on the stomach. Do you do regular exercise? If you start putting it on places that you don't want, then you could back off the internals just a bit and bump up the number of times per day that you massage the herbs in.

Being in the AA range, it does make a difference how fast and how far you ramp up. But a 36 band means that you have more to work with than, say, a 28AA. I think 500mg steps every 3 days would be good. You might want to use 2500mg as a maximum if you are not feeling some growth pains by then. Be sure to start on day one of your cycle, and start with an estrogenic herb like fenugreek.

I'm not a big fan of Red Clover as an internal, usually, but it does work for some to get temporary growth. The problem is that you never know until you try it.

Good luck!!

Wahaika

Thank you once again for the advice.

I suppose i'm a bit paranoid about my size because i was always very tall as a child (and was overweight too) and its only in the last few years that i've lost the 'puppy' fat. I still consider myself to be big, when i'm probably not.

I'm 25 and haven't had kids, so i'm going to stick with 500mg increasing every 3 days.

After reading up about red clover yesterday, I don't think i will use it. A couple of people said they got breakthrough bleeding with it (I think Surf was one) and someone else said they got bad headaches. I also didn't realise the growth it causes can be temporary. That was one of the things i had heard about pureria mirifica, and was why i didn't go down that route. I'm going to swap the red clover for fennel.

I'm also thinking of taking a break on day 18 of each cycle, but i'm not sure if this will hinder my progress and going to take borage instead of flax (because of the ligans in flax)

I really hope I don't put on too much weight (i don't mind a bit) but if i pile it on I may try increasing my intake via the skin!! I do exercise regularly (5 times per week) and do quite intensive workouts (about 30 mins cardio and 20 mins weights/toning)...but i'm going to lower the intensity for a while to give myself the best chance of growing. Thanks for the help.

Bring on the growth!!

Kx