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Do you also have acne besides having a lot of hair? I`m wondering if hairy girls with acne should follow a different program then other girls. I noticed that girls who grow on fenugreek, fennel, saw palmetto and epo don`t have acne and a lot of hair. Could that be because estrogen deficiency is what kept them from growing breasts? On the other hands girls like me who have acne and lots of hair(obviously estrogen dominant) don`t grow with these herbs because we already have alot of estrogen and possibly not enough progestrone. I`d liked to open this subject to debate and see what other girls have to say.
Girls if anyone with acne and hairy body grew on these herbs please come forward. Thanks

hi melosh, didn't see this one. sorry, yes i have very hairy skin i shave alot and i pluck hair from my chin then i'm left back with scars. Also i did one of the online test and it said i'm estrogen dominant and progesterone deficien and excess androgen. i was taking a sinle herh routine consist of fenugreek,fennel , Sp ,WY, and RC at one point didn't have any luck on that. i feelin pain from those ,but i gained weight so i stopped . I was wondering the same thing as well. What's the best herb to tak for girls like us. still expermenting. Thinking about nettle root and hops ATM, why hops coz it's hard for me to fall asleep.
What u ladies think.

Hi+
I am also a pretty hairy girl and have suffered from terrible acne. I have been growing on the herbs-but I have not used fenugreek yet (just ordered).
My program has been
Vitex (30-60 drops)
Saw Palmetto(160 mg) x 3
EPO (1300 mg) x 1
Dong Quai (565 mg) x 3
GABA (200 mg) x 1
Vit E (400 mg) x 1

I also massage with Palmers vit e oil/cocoa butter, plus 1 EO cap.
I have been on these for about 1 month (was on Dong quai and EPO for much longer just because).
I think the massage is helping the most along with the Vitex.
But, it's hard for me to say how much growth b/c i'm about to get my period next week. But I have a lot more fullness than before-and finally can't feel my ribs beneath my boobs. I'll see how much of this stays next week...

also, just added DHEA (25mg) x 1
not for growth, more for mood and libido...it's working nicely, unless it's all psychosomatic :0

Sorry Melosh, I didn't reall respond to your question and got caught up in posting my program. When I started seeing that estrogen dominance was so prevalent, I also questioned it. I wouldn't think I was estrogen dominant because of having more hair than most girls. This really isn't an ansewr either, but I do think you have a good point.

Hi girls, maybe I can help.
I was diagnosed with having too high androgen levels when I was a teenager, I got tested because I had some extra hairs as well and mainly because of really bad acne. My estrogen levels are fine, and as far as I know excess hairgrowth (hirsutism) is caused by excess androgen levels.
This is a good site that gives you great info on this, as well as dietary advice that can help both with acne and the hair.

http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/hirsutism.html

As for a routine for this kind of problem, if it is excess androgens you want to use Saw Palmetto or Nettle root. Nettle root dosages are between 500mg- 1000mg, the 1000mg should be enough, it is fine for me. With the SP I needed more, I took 320mg of the extract, if you take the whole herb between 1.500 - 3000 mg should be okay, but I always recommend the Nettle root because you need less than the SP and has less side effects, like no weight gain etc. and the SP can cause headaches on an empty stomach too.
You can check out my routine, the last of it is the most up to date bit, at the start I didn't really know what to take etc., less has turned out to be more effective for me than more.

I would just like to point out that body hair may not be due to excess testosterone. Unless it's really long, dark and thick hair. Growing amount of vellus hair in other areas of the body making it more visible (lanugo) may be due to a ton of other conditions (hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue, poor nutrition, etc).
Example of lanugo hair: http://www.fleshandbones.com/imagebank/figure.cfm?ISBN=0723431949&chapter=7&figure=M31949-07-f123.jpg
Example of hirsutism (body hair resultant of excess androgens): http://www.csmc.edu/images/108751_chin_hair.jpg

Thanks so much Lisa and Violet!
I think I just have extra hair cause I am Middle Eastern. It took all my life, but I finall have a handle on it!
Also, for acne-the best cure for me was the asprin mask. If you haven't heard of this,and have problems with your skin-give it a shot!
I take 2 incoated generic asprin, crush them, and a couple drops of pure water. Just enough to make a paste, then add a little honey. I scrub this on my face-it has a great grainy texture. then leave it on for about 15-20 minutes. My skin glows from this, and I NEVER get cystic acne anymore! I get maybe tiny pimples that go away. Also, it tightens my pores, my skin has totally changed from this.

I learned the trick from a great site called:

www.makeupalley.com
girls go on and post theire beauty secrets and write reviews on products, it is amazing. i don'[t buy anything without checking the site first! The best thing is most of the beauty secrets are cheap houshold things you would never think of!

Have a great weekend everyone!