Hey girl, sorry to hear you are feeling bad. Here is some kisses and hugs for you... xoxoxo :) How much vitex are you taking? It's good that it has help your skin clear up but too much of anything is not good either. Vitex increases the body's progesterone production. Progesterone levels are high just before menstration to signal the body to start menstrating if no conception occured. If you take large doses of vitex without estrogen to balance then you're body will always be high in progeserone. Estrogen is needed for the body to ovulate. As women get older they don't always ovulate every month also. It's good you're taking some nettle now, hope that works better for you, as in less reactions/bloating than SP. Maybe try adding primrose oil too for estrogen. As we get older our bodies don't produce as much estrogen either. Oh yes, try taking some dandelion capsules. It is mildly diuretic and it can help with the bloat. I think it may be mildly estrogenic as well. Take a break from vitex or lower dosage to continue to reap benefit of clear skin.
Hang in there. If my boobs look like yours right now I wouldn't feel too bad if I didn't grow anymore. You look very good as you are now. Feel better soon. ;)
Aw, thanks hunny for the xoxoxo's :-) Much needed right now I can tell ya!
I am taking 1800mg of vitex a day........that's 2 x 450mg in the morning and same in the evening. I used to be as regular as clockwork beforehand, lol, used to run in time with the full moons, but all these bleeds are really ticking me off big time.
Have tried EPO......boy have I tried it, but every time, it make me spotty all over face, chest & back......yuck, yuck! I do however take borage both inside and out. Is that just as good? Asides from that, am sure I was estrogen dominant for a bit, hence the cramps etc, which is why I cut down on WU, eventually quitting altogether, though I may go back to it. I do eat lots of estrogenic foods.
Heh, I love dandelion tea so thanks for the tip. Bloating has been horrendous. I've a tiny build and frame so the slightest bulge makes me look huge. Most people are lucky and can carry weight well. I feel like a tyre that's being inflated then deflated and so on. At least I know it's not fat.
You are right too...........If I don't grow any more, it's no big deal. I started with nothing and now have 2 bumps......and 2 bumps are better than nothing, lolz.
Sorry to hear about the bad reaction to EPO. Borag oil is good, so is flaxseed oil. I put some flaxseed oil in my oatmeal for breakfast. You can also put flaxseed oil in salads. I used to be estrogen dominant too that's why I had uterine fibroids & endometriosis and had to have my uterus removed. Now that I'm 41 I find that I need more estrogen. I'm not much taller than you, 5'3", so I don't want to gain much weight either. I have gained a few pounds since starting NBE from 108-114 now but I can live with that. I'd have to say you have more than just 2 bumps! lol Anyway, you look great! Take care and feel better soon! ;)
Yeah, EPO seems to affect some women that way. I kept refusing to believe that EPO was responsible for breakouts and kept trying off and on, but each time/as soon as it went in, I broke out :-{
I do use flaxseed oil too and find it works wonders for sluggish bowels :-)
Hey, we are about the same age and build. Will keep an eye on your progress and borrow some of your tips and ideas if things slow up at this end.
I've thought about trying EPO before but now I don't think I will. I used to break out too. I was thinking about taking Red Clover, have you taken that before? I think it's estrogenic and anti progesterone. Don't worry, you'll grow again soon. Everyone tweeks their program now and then. we're bound to find something that works sooner or later. ;) happy growing
I have thought about red clover and did read up on it, but intuition says a big NO, NO!
I think what put me off too was that it's fed to cattle or something to fatten them up........and I don't want to be fattened up, lol. I think I read too that it thins the blood, though I may be wrong. Will read up again on it.
I don't think that I'm not growing. It's kinda weird. They now feel tons bigger than they actually look. Beforehand they looked bigger than they actually felt. Lol........twilight zone stuff. Have given up with the tape measure for now, but I do feel that the nettle root is making a difference.
You're right. Actually a lot of the NBE herbs thin the blood out and there are herb interactions and some herbs are not good to take together. Red clover does thin the blood out. I'm also trying to figure out which estrogenic herbs I can try without getting bloated or gaining weight. I do take FG but only once a day just before bed. I take 2FG with 2 gaba. FG is estrogenic(thins blood also) but it also lower blood sugar level. I don't need a lot of energy since I'm going to sleep, I figure it'll help me sleep better. Gaba(amino acid, promotes growth hormones) helps you sleep better too. I think it helps me so I'll stick with that. I eat 2 handfuls of goji berries a day now. I used to eat just 1 handful. I plump them up in hot water. Hope that keeps things moving along so I don't get bloated. :) Just placed a order for red clover. It hasn't come in the mail yet. I guess I'll try it in small amounts and rotate my herbs and see what happens. I think I got this info on red clover from the general reference section of this forum: Red clover is mineral-rich and contains all four of the major types of phytoestrogens: lignans, coumestans, isoflavones, and resorcylic acid lactones. It is the world's best-known anti-cancer herb.
I'm happy to hear that you FEEL bigger. That is nice. I know what you mean somedays I feel them more than others too. Happy growing ;)
