Alright, so I've been a little finicky in the past and haven't really stuck to any one plan for too long. But after some recent events, I've decided to seriously dedicated myself to NBE. Sooo I'm starting fresh with a new program, but I need your guys' opinion on it!

Here's how it looks right now...

MORNING
* Dong Quai (565 mg) x 2
* Fenugreek (610 mg) x 2
* Fo-Ti (610 mg) x 2
* Maca (525 mg) x 1

EVENING
* Dong Quai (565 mg) x 1
* Fenugreek (610 mg) x 1
* Maca (565 mg) x 1


Here's what it's soon going to be...

MORNING
* Barley Grass (500 mg) x 1
* Dong Quai (565 mg) x 2
* Fenugreek (610 mg) x 2
* Fo-Ti (610 mg) x 2
* Maca (525 mg) x 1
* Milk Thistle w/ Blessed Thistle standerdized (80% silymarin) x 1
* Oat Bran (850 mg) x 1
* Vitex (400 mg) x 1

EVENING
* Barley Grass (500 mg) x 1
* Dong Quai (565 mg) x 1
* Fenugreek (610 mg) x 1
* Fennel (480) x 1
* Hops (310 mg) x 2
* Maca (525 mg) x 1
* Milk Thistle w/ Blessed Thistle standerdized (80% silymarin) x 1
* Vitex (400 mg) x 1

TOTAL:
~ Barley Grass = 1000 mg
~ Dong Quai = 1968 mg
~ Fenugreek = 1830 mg
~ Fennel = 480 mg
~ Fo-Ti = 1220 mg
~ Hops = 620 mg
~ Maca = 1050 mg
~ Milk Thistle w/ Blessed Thistle standerdized (80% silymarin) = 160% silymarin
~ Oat Bran = 850 mg
~ Vitex = 800 mg


I'm kind of taking parts of Eve's program and mixing it up with herbs I feel can help me specifically. I feel it's a lot, though... what do you guys think? Are there any herbs in here that you feel are unnecessary? Are any of the herb dosages too high or too low? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!! :)

i keep seeing posts to the effect that vitex works best by itself, rather than in combination with a bunch of different herbs. don't know for sure though...

Miss Monet,

I recently read on this forum (don't remember the thread) that it's not the bran of the oat you need (doesn't contain the phytoestrogens), and I would also skip the vitex

Good luck
xxx

The only reason why I thought to add vitex was because I know you need a balance of both estrogen and progesterone in your body. So considering I've been adding so much phytoestrogen I thought it might be smart to add some progesterone -- i.e. Vitex. Is it bad to take Vitex? Why is it better alone?

Also, was the oat bran pointless to buy? Do you think I should return it?

I think the idea is that you are unbalancing the hormones to a certain extent to get the NBE results you need to grow, and this is being done by the individual herbs. The vitex would theoretically work against that. The vitex alone will give you a proper balance, but some have experienced boob growth with this and some have not.

I have been taking Vitex along with my other NBE herbs with no problem. It has eliminated my PMS, and my breasts are slowly getting bigger.

One thing I would not take, though, is Dong Quai. There seems to be evidence that it is bad for NBE, and even blocks estrogen somehow.

You probably don't need so many herbs, your routine looks kind of complex. My main herbs right now are fenugreek, saw palmetto, damiana, and vitex, and this seems to be working.

Good luck!

Whoa, Dong Quai is bad for NBE? Really?? I haven't heard about this... please explain! ^^;;

Wow girl, you sure take a lot of stuff. Why do you take all those phytoestrogenic herbs? Hops is really strong, why add that to already a substantial amount of Fenugreek and Fennel? I think you may just be taking too much stuff all at once, I would cut it down to half and see how you go, that really is a lot and you can mess up your body together with your boobs with taking too much, they may deflate rather than increase with all that.
Often more really doesn't work better than less. Also you wouldn't need the vitex to balance all those extra phytoestrogens if you reduced the amount you are taking.
I don't mean to come across as harsh, sorry if it sounds like that, its just that you really don't want to mess up your body and hormones and you may just be on the way of doing so, that are huge amounts of herb if you combine them all and I am wondering if you really need all that. Consistency, massage and a healthy diet combined with less herbs may just go a long way further than putting all those in your body.

Oh, don't worry Lisa, I'm not taking all of those herbs right now. I just ordered them and was *planning* to, but after looking at what I wrote... yeah, I was kinda like, "These are A LOT of herbs... WOW". haha That's why I needed some advice from you lovely ladies. :) I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought it was too many herbs... I think I will cut out the Vitex since it seems a lot of you are against it. Although, if I cut down my supply to like 4 herbs or something, would it be ok *then* to add Vitex? Or is this an herb I should avoid altogether? I'm still a little confused as to why it's so bad, but I trust in all of your guys' wisdom and experience! :)