Can you give me your opinion about this routine because Wu is not working and I'm desperate:

3 times a day:

Fennel
Netlle root
Red Clover
collagen

Hi Liz,

Your new programme sounds ok but you say you are taking these 3 times a day????????

I'd say yes for the fennel. But if you have the 500mg nettle root from vortexhealth, then taking that twice a day should suffice as you should only take 1000mg total a day.

Also, collagen is best taken on an empty stomach just before bed......and take this with 1000mg ester C or a really slow release vitamin C. You will need 2000mg of collagen. It doesn't work so well if used at any other time during the day as it tends to be lost in food absorption etc.

Am not sure on the dosage for red clover. Maybe some of the other girls can advise on that. But do your homework on it first. I think it thins out the blood and could possibly cause weight gain (?) as it is used to fatten up cattle and livestock.

Good luck with the new programme Liz. May your boobies blossom real soon.

Love

=^_^= x

I think of red clover because Surf had results with it but I dont wanto to put more weight on my legs... So i'm, really confused about my new routine and absolutely desperate. Help girls, please...

Liz, Please read my program page again. I was only on Red Clover for a VERY short time. I had problems with bleeding from Red Clover, so I stopped it. I do not attribute Red Clover to any of my NBE growth.

Best wishes in your continued journey!

I'd add fenugreek, and perhaps remove red clover. I think fenugreek is really important, even if only in smaller dosages, start low, 600mg x2 a day or so. I'd probably would probably give vitex a go too.......

sorry Surf, but my english is not very good and sometimes i get lost on all the posts and do not understand them. So you do not recomend Red clover... and what do you recomend instead?

What about if I add fenugreek and remove red clover?
About Vitex isnt it true that it only works alone and not with other herbs or once more I read it wrong?

What about this routine:

Fenugreek (3 pills)
Fennel (2 pills)
Netlle root (2 pills)
collagen (2 pills)

Unless you want to gain weight, I'd forget about the fenugreek and stick with the rest. Oh, and remember to add ester C too if you are going to be taking collagen.

x

Just started to take colagen.
Still taking WU and Sp until it ends, and then start the new routine.
But Fary, isn't fenugreek the MOST important herb to NBE? Do anyone over 35 years old grow without it?

Hi Liz,
Good luck with your program!

Quick question--have you ever taken WU just on its own without the SP?
Reason I ask--I started WU in late OCT. Slight roundness, but no real growth, so got frustrated and added SP a month later for almost two months. Pain and fullness which made me think the SP was working, but it all went away after the period. For the last month, I've just been taking WU and there have been constant pains. Even now, a few days after period, some of the under fullness is gone, but a 1cm growth remains.

Anyway, dontcha hate when people respond and just talk about their own program?
Sorry, just wanted to say that with WU, either the elimination of SP or just giving WU time (4 months for me) or both might help you be successful. We are all so eager to get boobage FAST, that maybe we futz with our programs too much or don't give any one program enough time. I'm 32 too, so no young 20 something here!

Just a thought, as I know this is trial and error and your body's different.
I'm sure you will be successful either way, as you are very determined girl! :)

L,
lankylou

Vitex can work with LOW dosages of herbs. But vitex also takes a couple of months before it starts to work, so you wouldn't expect to see results right away from it.

When I started WU it was for 2 month untill i added SP because WU was not working. Now I'm on WU for 8 months...

liz, have you been using SP for the past 6 months?

Yes

Sorry for the short post. Yes lankilou I take SP for about 7 months with WU and no growing so now i'm thinking abouot changing.

I'm feeling completly lost now. My Neetle arrived but I read on this forum that it is not very good for NBE. So now I'm very confused. What shakll i do?

Fenugreek + fennel + SP

or Fenugreek + fennel + Neetle?

I would take SP if you are not worried about weight gain. I would take Nettle Root if you are worried about weight gain.

Surf i was not worried about wheight gain until i sarted to have lots of cellulite and fat in my stomach and i believe it is because of SP.
So Surf, you think i can replace Sp for nettle and have sucess?

Liz, fenugreek can also cause weight gain. If you intend using it, it may be an idea to add chromium too as this helps to control blood sugar levels. Personally, if you are worried about weight gain then you may want to drop fenugreek and use fennel instead. It does much the same job without the weight gain on the hips, thighs and tummy.

Nettle root - It might be an idea to start off at 1 capsule (500mg) a day, then ramp it up to 2 capsules (1000mg) after a while. I was going to drop nettle root but I do like what it is doing for my hair, so am gonna stick with it for now........though I have dropped down to 1 pill a day, and do declare that since doing that, am getting tingles again :-)

I am thinking though..........if you did all that time on WU and got no results, then the fenugreek/fennel thing is not going to work for you. These are the main ingredients of WU after all.

Have you considered trying PM or BO..........or even vitex with marine collagen? Read my reply in the recent Vitex Followers thread. If you feel this is you, then it may be worth a try. Lol, but you have to cast aside all those daft ideas you have about it taking away your libido. It doesn't.

Good luck!

x

Faery i'm already taking collagen. Now i'm still on WU and taking colagen and flaxseed oil. Stoped with SP. I'm adding Netlle root to my routine.
With WU I had lots of pains and boobs a little more firm but no growing.
I'm not on Vitex but i might try it, but to try Vitex I must stop all the rest?

In my opinion I'd say yes. I tried vitex with WU and the WU just held things up. When I quit WU, I began to grow. But yes, I do feel too that other phytoestrogenic herbs can slow or stall any growth with vitex.

Vitex, nettle root, collagen, ester C are a good combination.......along with flaxseed or borage, vitamin E, vitamin B complex and zinc. The vits and minerals help lots with absorption and do play an important role.

It is up to you Liz what you choose to do next. Just hope you start growing soon.

x

Tnahks a lot dear Faery.
How long did you take WU? And no results, not even pain? I have lots of pains.