Hello, I would like to ask how many of you experienced change in fat distribution as a result of NBE. Not boob growth or simply weight gain, but a distict deposit or loss of fat in one place. Thanks!

Well, I lost two inches on my waist yet I gained four cup sizes and half an inch on my hips. Not sure if I could attribute the shrinking of my waistline to NBE, though.

Mine I would say is different...My waist doesn't gain the weight now like it used to, and the fat seems to be collecting in the hips/butt/thigh area, which I have never been able to hold fat onto, except when I was pregnant. My arms are slimming down too, and in the past the weight was always gained in arms, waist, face, but never in butt thigh boob or hips.

Interesting topic. :)

I've been noticing a few changes recently, I'm losing volume around my hips/butt/thighs while my bust is still growing, but these aren't dramatic changes, they're quite subtle. I haven't been exercising hence my surprise. :P

You may want to search this forum and internet about Lipoprotein Lipase (LPL) and prolactin. In theory, prolactin increases LPL in breasts whilst reduces it on the bottom half (especially hips and thighs).

However, I'm not increasing prolactin (at least not that I'm aware of) in my program. If anything I'm actually reducing it, since I haven't massaged and my program consists on vitex+fenugreek+fennel (not bing really consistent with the fennel though) and sometimes nettle root tea. It's not clear if fenugreek and fennel increase prolactin, although they're galactogogues. And vitex tends to increase dopamin which should actually decrease prolactin (but then, vitex is weird, it's also considered as a galactogogue, so.....) Heh, sometimes this NBE stuff doesn't make any sense. :P

So...do you have wider hips naturally??? Is losing in the hips and rear a good thing for you?

just wondering if it works dif for everyone...??? Cuz like I want wider hips and bigger butt. So i have been happy w/ the weight gain...but most ladies don't want wider hips and butt because they are already "endowed" there....?!!?

"In theory, prolactin increases LPL in breasts whilst reduces it on the bottom half (especially hips and thighs)."

Violet,
You mentioned that taking Fennugreek and Fennel probably won't result in this effect. Do you know what herbs may? My formula includes Dong Quai and Saw Palmetto and Blessed Thistle; do you know if these increase LPL? Sorry - I have NO idea what the hell LPL is, and hardly understand any of the chemistry behind NBE so I am trying to learn.
I may be wrong about this, so correct me if I am, but don't hourglass figures tend to be estrogen dominant? There is also the shape that tends to be top heavy and gain weight around the middle. I have a couple friends with that body type. Most of us on here are probably the opposite of that. I just wonder if our body shape is partially determined by genetics and partially by hormonal balances, which could also be genetic??? I would think that ramping up your system with phytoestrogens could result in a more hourglass type figure. But a lot of people tend to gain weight in their midsection, so perhaps people's shapes are their shapes. I have an hourglass figure, so would it seem reasonable that I would distribute fat as I normally do?
My Journey - I have always been "endowed" in the rear region, but the whole J-Lo craze sort of did a number on me. Before I tried desperately to lose what I had and now I sometimes I feel like, hmm...i wish my hips were an inch bigger! Every woman I've ever met seems to want what they don't have though. Hence, we are all here I suppose!

Violet, excelent info! I didn't know that prolactin increases LPL in breasts and reduces it on the but. I think that vitex might be balacing prolactin in your case, as it works on pituary gland, which releases prolactin. What doses of the hrbs are you taking and did you have estrogen dominance/PMS that you included vitex?

Sophie, LPL, lipoprotein lipase, is an enzyme which brakes fat particles lipoproteins that travel in the blood and makes their components, fats, enter fat cells in peripheral tissues, like but, hips, stomach, breast, etc. LPL is found on the walls of capilares in a tissue. So the more LPL you have in one region, the more fat is going to go there.
I don't think the hourglass figure means estrogen dominance, cause estrogen dominance is too little estrogen, but even less progesterone. Bu I'm not sure.

I don't know which herbs exactly increase prolacting, though I think vitex might, but probably depending on you currect condition. So far only women with estrogen dominance have taken vitex and I wonder what it would do in a woman who doesn't have estrogen dominance.

it appears that blessed thistle increases prolactin; so does alfalfa. i googled for "increase prolactin" and "herbs"

Very interesting, I keep discovering facts to why WU may be so effective...

Sorry, not getting back to you girls sooner.

Sophie, I suspect fenugreek might, but haven't found any evident proof or study confirming that. Like I said before, many herbs are galactogogues but they might be galactogogues for reasons other than increasing prolactin. I did try finding herbs which would increase prolactin. I know massage does, there was someone on here that started to lactate after doing tiger lily's massage. If I knew for sure which herbs increase prolactin I'd have added them by now! =P Regarding body shapes and hormonal correlations. The only one I am aware of is that pear shaped women may be estrogen dominant. I don't know how accurate this information is, or if there's any scientific evidence behind it. If you search google for "body shapes"+hormonal or something like that you'll find tons of info. Women with excess androgens tend to accumulate fats on their belly/stomach area (pretty much like men), and have more of an apple shaped body.

There are a few more body shapes, which I can't recall...and it's quite normal you body shape may be a crossover between other types. I'm not a huge pear shape lol, I'm quite slender with the right clothes it's not too noticeable, and looks more like an hourglass. =P

Estrogen Dominance is too much estrogen even with progesterone levels being within the normal range. Progesterone deficiency is low progesterone even if estrogen levels are considered to be normal.

Moon, I don't know if I had any hormonal imbalance, I suspect so, because I used to have heavy periods, menstrual cramps, PMS (lots of anxiety, irritability and stuff). But I never had my hormones checked properly, but soon will, though.

dunny, thanks for looking for herbs :D Will check those!


You girls may would also like to know that cortisol IN EXCESS, is known to cause weight gain everywhere except the breasts.

Cortisol levels rise due to stress, some clinical conditions I don't recall and even allergies like hay fever and stuff!

Please DO NOT attempt to lower your cortisol levels I have no clue on how to do that, but it's dangerous, has anti-inflamatory action and oure bodies need it. If anything something to normalize cortisol levels would be great...I have been searching for herbs that act this way, haven't had much time though, so if anyone finds them please share. :P

I know NBE success can be compromised with problems on the thyroid, adrenal glands, lack of growth hormones, high cortisol, and maybe something else I can't recall now. It's too much info at times ;)

I hope this info is useful, it's all over the forum if you search. I hope this thread continues and maybe we can get somewhere ;)

Violet, what you describe is excess estrogen (too much estrogen when progesterone is normal). Estrogen dominance is, quoting: a condition where a woman can have deficient, normal or excessive estrogen, but has little or no progesterone to balance its effects in the body. Even a woman with low estrogen levels can have estrogen dominance symptoms if she doesn't have any progesterone.

Your symptoms do sound like estrogen dominance.

Moon, there's no way to tell if it's progesterone low or estrogen dominance until hormonal exams are made. Both conditions have similar symptoms as they are caused by low progesterone-to-estrogen ratios. The tests may even show perfectly normal levels in both hormones, and one still have those symptoms. But yes, I think it's safe to say that it's highly likely that my progesterone levels weren't at least at optimum levels. :P

Hi!Does anyone know of an herb that increases breasts while decreasing arms?
please and thankyou

Lyngin, it doesn't work as simple as that. Herbs affect hormones in very complex ways, the conscequence of which may be breast growth. But thre isn't a 'boob enhancing herb', an 'arm reducing herb', a 'miracle making herb', etc

Hi Moon - Violet - everyone....

I'm interested in this 'prolactin increases LPL in breasts and decreases it in the bum'. I can't find anything about this when I search.
Can anyone add to this.

So is massage which increase prolactin liekly to result in a decrease bum measurement?

Also, anyone whose breastfed - does your bum measurement go down afterwards (prolactin levels are high during breast feeding time aren't they)


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