What am I doing wrong? Probably nothing, just getting discouraged again - taking a one day break from all herbs except Vitex - and then will be doing a detox program in a few days - maybe a week to see if thats the problem. I did try upping my dosage of herbs, but it stopped all pains whatsoever and I got really moody (tried it for a week), so I am back to my low dosage of herbs and the reg. dosage of Vitex and I have pains again - lots of them, but unless I am growing around (which might be the case because of the bra post), there is nothing growing out!! Eventually I should grow out right? I don't think I want bigger boobs if they just growing more circular but not out.............
This is just a bad day for me, I probably shouldn't even post this message but I am so down in the dumps right now..........why is it other people can be smaller structured, and have nice, real boobs, and others are like rulers? And some people grow fast and others grow very slooowww if at all? I just sat with my SIL, and all I heard about was what wedding dress she couldn't wear because her boobs were just too big (and they are), and the other SIL sitting there agreeing with clothes problems, but hers sag to her stomach and they are only like C -cups, (and no I will not tell her how to firm them up) and meanwhile all I can do is sit there feeling like a little kid that one day will grow boobs, but until then has the opposite problem of not being able to wear anything because there aren't boobs to fill it!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHH (this is me pulling my hair out)
*sigh* I just need a nice full B cup thats it I won't complain after that. Honest I won't.
Hi Henri
I feel the same way you do. I`m not growing! Nothing, zip,nada,!!!!!!Not even fullness!!!!!
Henri, maybe we`re having a hard time figuring out what our bodies need to grow. Take me for example. My androgens are obviously so high that unless i lower them i won`t grow. I`m waiting for vitex to lower them and in the mean time decided to give vitex a hand by using progestrone cream. I visited several forums where menapousal women talk about pc and there was a good number of women complaining about their breasts getting huge with the use of pc.
At another website a doctor was saying his wife grew breasts with taking maca and pc. Waxingmoon has grown 2 inches in the first month of using pc. I`m going to give it a shot this month(starting on april 14th) and will let you know what happens.
On April 22 it`ll be 3 full months on vitex. I`m happy my acne is clearing but no growth!
What other herbs are you taking with vitex and why? We all know vitex works best on its own.
I have a feeling like we should either go with progestrone or estrogen not both. I`m definitely going for progestrone for now. Estrogenic herbs give me acne.
Hang in there buddy:)...(We`re so funny, just a few weeks ago you were giving me encouragement:) As soon as something works for me I`ll post a zillion messages calling for girls who don`t grow and I`ll take the ones who have oily skin, acne, regular painless periods, and I`ll tell them to try my routine and see what happens. If I can help even one person to grow i`ll be the happiest person on earth. For now I CAN`T GROW MY OWN BREASTS LET ALONE HELPING SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!!
Feary is my mentor , she has grown on mirifem pills and cream. Unfortunately PM doesn`t work well with other herbs and I`m on vitex. So she can`t advise me to use it. I`ll stick with vitex for another month or two then if my acne is clear by then I won`t drop it but don`t know what I can take with it besides pc.
Henri, if you think you gave vitex enough chance but still not grown then maybe it`s time to try something else. You can look into BO or PM. Oh just remembered I think you can use vitex with BO. If you don`t want to drop vitex you can`t use PM if I remember correctly. So think about trying a different routine.
Whichever way you decide to go I`m here to support you. Best wishes and lots of hugs and kisses...
Hi Moon - yes, I have been under some stress lately. Had a family member die two weeks ago - it was very sudden, and some of the issues that have come up have caused some frustrations to say the least. Otherwise its the normal everyday life issues that keep coming up, nothing to major.
Melosh - I am taking fenugreek, fennel, and Nettle Root - in very low doses, meaning one pill at morning or night (whenever I can get them down), and thats it. I read the Vitex works best with either no other herbs or very low doses of herbs, but I had already ordered my herbs when that theory came about, so I figured I would might as well try them. And like I said I get tons of pains, some I hadn't felt before, and they constantly feel as though milk is flowing into them. There are deep pains around the nipple, and armpit pains, and soreness to touch, etc, etc, etc. But when I either increase or stop the herbs everything goes away. So I figured I would just stick with the low dose I have been taking, just until these herbs are gone and then I am done with the whole NBE thing, and I will just stick with the Vitex because it has helped me with my periods. I am not willing to try BO or PM, BO I have some concerns about, and the PM has been reported to be a very high phytoestrogen, and can cause some problems, so I'm not even considering it. This is a personal opinion, and I do not knock on other people for trying them, so please no one feel the need to defend them, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
Am thinking of a cleanse, I know of one that takes only a day to do and is super cheap- they recommend doing it for colonoscopies and other GI studies. It only costs about $2.00 plus the drinks you need to purchase. It takes a full 24 hours, and no food during that time period, but the drinks supplement you. So I figured a day isn't too bad. And then maybe I'll get some things working.
Henri i'm taking the same as you without the vitex and also no growing at all. Maybe we need something else...maybe it is really the stress... i'm very sad with all this
i think your message was funny, you very much sound like me. why the hell everyone has breasts beside me. and i mean i would be most greatful for them getting wider but no, niente.
im also on the same kind on routine but without the vitex and also get pains, more last months though. before period they do get bigger but then it goes away.
oh i'm so frustrated. i was about to try the blossom-s soap but since no Visa card can't buy it either. Damn. Everything is against me.
Henri, Liz and Bonnete, read the herbal tolerance topic, now there might be our problem. I sincerely hope not thugh, cause it would be pretty disastrous.
This message has been edited by -Moon- on Apr 9, 2007 7:01 PM
i know, for all the pain ive had u would have thought there would be more growth. ive grown a little bit, but my growth (and pains) has slowed down coz i havent been able to restock my wild yam cream for about 2 weeks now coz i havent been at work which equals no money.
ive always tried on clothes and thought how much better it would look with some boobies filling it! i always have the problem of finding clothes that fit, they are are always baggy in the boobs and even baggier in the waist, but skin tight on my enormous hips.
im aiming for a b cup, i wouldnt mind being a c, but i could just be a b with padding at thatd be fine.
its funny how alot of girls with big (or any) breasts dont appreciate them, i guess coz we have to work for them we love them more.
Liz, if it is herbal tolerance, then many small brakes in the routine would probably be a good idea. I'm trying it this way, cause I really feel that my body got used to herbs.
Yeh its god dam frustarting isnt it, some times i think the herbs make my eyes wider so i think iv grown because i see different things from day to day, sigh
I have good days and bad days, days were i think oh sod it its a waste of time and then i think, well then what?
Iv run out of everything at the minuit, so im kind of in the same boat im on a break till i decide what to do next, do i keep using the vitex?
im not sure,or try somthing else, yet again?
All i can say mate is we are all in the same boat, some lucky sods just got a lift in a speed boat to titty island while we and others are rowing round in circles, surley at some point through trile and error,we will get there, it would just be nice if it was quicker,
I think we are alike 1 minuit very positive the next really down,i guess persivierance is all i can say.
Thanks you girls are great. I am just so discouraged right now. I seemed to have contracted some stomach flu that seems to be going around and haven't eaten in almost 2 days, because nothing stays in, and I am so tired of being in pain that I just gave up. Decided since I felt like **** anyway, I would go ahead and do that cleanse - big mistake, I think it just made my stomach hurt worse. Although I have noticed my stomach isn't as bloated........Anyway my boobs have shrunk another 1/2inch in 2 days, so now I am at 32 inches, and they are saggy. I am not even massaging because I am so tired. so as you can see I am not taking my herbs either :-) I am just feeling at this point, that maybe I shouldn't even bother trying as I don't seem to be making progress, but I will give it one more shot since I was able to get that full stomach cleanse in and hopefully I can get at least to at least a B, but would like a full B. Anymore I am just so confused.
Oh H, i think u should concentrate on getting yr self better 1st, there is nothing worse than being poorly, that makes u feel low in its self.
Get yr self right b4 any cleanse or any herbs, get yr sen in bed and just mooch
get some inocent smoothie in u 4 extra boosts,or try a vit c tonic 7 seas do a great one
Henri-burn the tape mesure, no offence but you seem to mesure every 2 minuits n that can only be a negetive feeling, if u must mesure try just to do it once a month.
I dont measure, im bad enough with weighing scales.
Use your bra as a guide, i do, some times they buldge out, then im back to haveing gaps, so i can tell anyway if iv grown /shrunk.
Ginger - I know about the whole tape measure thing - I am addicted to it :-) not really to a scale though, but I guess its all the same in the end. Should never have replaced the one that broke *sigh* I am pretty sure that in two days I have lost some weight too as my clothes aren't hanging quite nicely anymore, so that could be part of it.
I am sipping on some soda today, as everything else is causing my stomach to hurt - it feels like its superly bruised. I am resting off and on, but still have to get some things done. DH is helping alot, which is encouraging. But am not attempting to eat anything yet. Liquid alone is causing so much pain, I don't even want to try food.
You know whats funny - I haven't taken herbs in a few days, but I still smell like fenugreek - strongly too. Wonder how much of it is still in my system?
Moon- does this count as a short break here and there ;-) I try to take every other weekend off from herbs for that very reason, but maybe I need to break more often. Not quite sure what to do. When I grew before it was doing very little except what the bottle said and then it kinda stopped, the growth - so am hoping when I feel better I can jump start things again, but won't attempt that for another few days at least.
I'll stop complaining for now, am heading off to the couch to catch a few, or at least rest.