I was in jail for a whole week and they wouldn't let me take my Vitex :[
I'm thinking about taking it still for another 3 1/2 months I have left of it. But I feel it's kind of pointless.
I'm soooo upset. Ughhhhhh.

wow that sucks! if you dont mind me asking, why were you in jail? =)

Sorry jackie.

Yeahhh :/

I'd rather not talk about it. It's pretty bad and I have court in the morning tomorrow. Yuck.

Does anyone think I should take the Vitex and start all over again for another 6 months or should I just continue to take them as if I never stopped for another 3 months?

First of all, sorry to hear that and hope things works out okay for you.

Secondly about the vitex: I personally think missing one week is okay (even though thats quite alot of days) as you were already taking it for a few months so it should still be in your system and should not have gone out that quickly if you know what I mean.

However, given your current circumstances I'd assume you are under a great deal of stress, probably not much time for massaging, eating right, and just being positive about all this NBE stuff so in that sense I would think you would be best just to forget about all this right now and focus on other more important aspects in your life (especially with the lovely breasts you already have girl!)

good luck

I too think missing one week doesn't make much difference, it's definitely not like you're starting over. The decision about whether too keep going is yours tho, but as it was working for you, personally I'd keep going. Did you think about adding progesterone cream while this transitory hormonal mess lasts? It's not sth that has been tried a lot, it was just suggested somewhere, so it would be sth a bit 'experimental'. You could ask Waxingmoon for an opinion, she's the most knowledgeable person about vitex and PC arround.

Thanks hopeful :]
I hope everything gets better too :/


To be honest, I know this sounds totally ridiculous but it's the truth.
I got arrested for the most crazy reason. Well let's just say I did something just incredibly, regrettably stupid and it was linked to my PMS. The Vitex has been making me very very touchy when it comes around these days and I've been suicidally depressed and very aggravated... very easily. I honestly cannot explain the feeling. I don't know if this means it's working or unbalancing my hormones even more but as lame as it sounds, hahahaah, Vitex through me in Jail and with a terrible charge. I'm trying to clear that up though, I have court Tuesday again and may end up in Jail for a year :[
..So if I'm not around in a few days...... I'm unfortunately gone. BUT I'LL BE BACK !!! Hahaha.


Moon-
Yeah I was considering doing PC but I figured that would be a little too much progesterone since I'm already taking the Vitex. But who knows.

Jackie,
I really don't feel like giving you any advice in regards to your boobs. The following may be none of my business or whatever... but so what. I choose to say it anyway...

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You are the light of the universe. You are put here to bring light into darkness. There is no other purpose for your being.

So you chose to do wrong. It is as simple as that. (I don’t even want to hear what you did… it does not matter in what I have to say) You had a choice and you chose to do what you did. Don’t try to complicate the issue by saying that you had PMS or that the ‘vitex made you do it…’ - that is the biggest pile of crap and that kind of thinking will lead you to ruin.

All of us are faced with difficult situations. We all have bad days. Even so, we still have the power to choose to do right or to do wrong. It has been that way since mankind has been on the planet. There is nothing new under the sun… you either choose to do right or you choose to do wrong. End of story.

I hope that you will be justly tried and your sentence fits the crime you committed. I hope you serve your sentence with humility and you will reflect on the lack of character that caused you to do the wrong thing.

Maybe this will be your wakeup call. I hope so. Many people do wrong and then go on to live good lives. Many others do wrong and then never change and do even more wrong.

Your choices may be very limited for a time because of your actions but I hope that this experience gives you the maturity you are currently lacking and opens your eyes to how you got yourself into this mess.

Make good choices Jackie.

You are in my prayers,
waxingmoon

Wow, waxingmoon, lol. Am sorry I know nothing about what is going on its funny. But the soundness of waxingmoon's message and the sternness of it took me off guard because I never really read things like that in this forum. I agree with you though waxingmoon on the fact that we make choices in life, wow, reading your message was quite touching to me as it made me realize that lately I have been making a lot of excuses in some things in my life, and i guess at the end of the day i cant grow or become a better person if i cant own up to myself, that it was my bad planning that made me late for my business appointment and not Los Angeles Traffic. Because I should have planned and factored in the traffic into my traveling time in the first place.

Thanks for that waxingmoon.

To Jackie, girl I hope you dont go to jail for a year, i really hope so because am sure sitting in jail for three weeks probably thought u a lesson. Now, I understand what hormones can do so girl, give up vitex, or whatever its called, because in my opinion you cant even grow any healthy boobies with all those kind of unhappy thoughts you are having. Perhaps, for now focus on something else, or try some other way for growth ok girl. Please take care of yourself.

Wow. Well, medication (including herbal medications) are known to affect people in different ways and can cause erratic behaviour. However, yes, sadly, they can also be used as an excuse, when people don't want to own up to their behaviour and need an excuse. But, I think it's 'mildly' presumptuous to pass judgement on somebody where the ONLY information we have is one very, very brief email from a complete stranger on a forum based website. We don't know any of the background or details at all, including whether the police were just or correct. Just felt the need to add that. Hope I didn't add fuel to the fire, certainly not trying to.

waxingmoon: I agree with you 100% that we are in charge of our actions, and what paths we take. I'm generally try to live my life with really high morals despite me being athiest which apparently means I'm wicked and awful :P

Jackie is only turning 18 (or has just turned not sure) and she still has lots to experience and lots of knowledge to obtain about life. So for that reason I most certainly hope she does not serve that sentence! I know she will learn from this, I think any young girl would! And I know she is going to get on the "right" sort of path in the years to come, I can feel it...

best wishes everyone, especially you Jackie... if this works out for you, that you don't have to go to jail, than girl you better start being more mature. Life is soo different once you finish highschool. I'm saying become as holy as a nun, but start surrounding yourself with better people, even limit yourself to your few closest friends because from what I have learned you really don't need to be "popular" or have lots of friends to be happy. Most of the time you are better off having a friend you can go to advice to, one to have fun with, a boyfriend you can trust and who is loves you for you. That's all you really need in my opinion.

Religion definitely doesn't have a monopoly on morals. I'm an atheist too, or maybe agnostic, and I have very firm moral and ethical beliefs. There are many religious people on the other hand who didn't even give a second thoguht to what their religion taught them.

I agree very much with Hopeful on the second part.

Yup, that is so true about some religious people... ie. some of my own relatives!

Haha, I AM religious and I totaly agree as well. I'm religious but don't go to church and I don't have any thoughts of trying to convert people. But some people who say they are religious appear to be some of the worst people I know. Being a good person or being a bad person doesn't have anything to do with religion. But I do like my faith.

Well Jackie,

I hope everything works out for you. You seem like a good girl and it's pretty good you are so honest about things. Making mistakes is normal. What's truly important is being self aware I think you are. I've made so many mistakes but boy I have learned from them.

Alright. I'm not saying that it's ALL of Vitex's fault. I didn't once say that. I pretty much meant that it made my PMS worse and caused me to do what I did. After all, one of Vitex's side effects is during PMS, as it's balancing out your hormones, your actions are worse than if you weren't even taking it. I'm not blaming Vitex. And I damn well know I made that choice. Sorry that it sounds like crap but you don't even realize how it started or anything, and trust me.. I'm pretty sure I can use it as a good excuse. I don't even look at it as an "excuse". I know for sure if I wasn't on it and my PMS hadn't been coming around so bad that wouldn't of happened. Sorry but you can keep on thinking it was crap, that's just your judgement online. So yeah I agree with you Miles.

Sitting in jail for that long [even though it wasn't too long] DID suck. And it did make me think. Right when I got out I apologized for everything, so it would SUCK if I had to go through it again but fifty times as long.


Hopeful-
Sometimes I think that limiting my friends and excluding the one's who make bad choices is probably a good idea. But I also think that I could be the influencer in all of this. It always isn't other people who influence me to make bad choices but I realize I do too. And I don't try to. But does this mean all my friends should exclude me so I can be left alone? Because then again I would be putting innocent people in bad places. It's all confusing. And I always blame myself for a lot of things. So for the whole Vitex deal, it wasn't just so I could get out of it. There's a really reliable excuse behind it.

I actually went to a tarot the other day and she read my cards. I don't know how much any of you believe in this, but I thought it'd be right since I'm in a horrible situation. I was with a few of my friends and they got their cards pulled and they were all positive and nice things. Haha. Well. Right when she pulls me cards I get the devil, some pentagrams, guys getting killed covered in blood, someone getting stabbed. Well, basically she said... "someone told you extremely important advice in your past and you ignored it. You need to take that advice they gave you in order to have a successful future. Otherwise very soon you will be punished. We don't know how, but you will go through a severe punishment. You also fear doing things that you know you will fail at. etc etc etc". All these things made me really think and I thought of several things that linked to that. It's scary and I just don't know what to do anymore. I got expelled from highschool two years ago and I'm in the process of getting my GED. I used to do drugs pretty intensely along with being an alcoholic and I know this was the cause but my life seems to be getting sh*ttier and sh*ttier as I get older. And I just SUCK at trying to make it better or changing things. I always go to alcohol or drugs that make me feel better inside to escape it. I don't need any pity it's just my thoughts at the moment. Sorry if it sounds like that.

...And for rambling on about pointless crap non-related to anything but waxingmoon and to everyone else. That just really made me think and on the topic of religion choice, I'm as well Agnostic. Just confused about everything I guess.

Hi Jackie,
Hope it is all going well for you. I wrote what I did because I care. How can I be silent when you are in such turmoil?

You are so young and you admit to making so many mistakes with your life. I hope you can figure it all out before you mess up too much... it will get worse until you make it better.

Get your GED. Stop drinking and drugging. Get involved in something that is worthwhile and gives to others.... and all the other good advice that is out there, etc.

You could have the best life, if only you will do the things that will give you that good life.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

Jackie my dear you will be alright, if you can admit to all you said and at least admit at a point you did things you were not so proud off, that is great because that realization will help you not to do those kind of things again. I think you are a very bright girl and you will be fine. Am really hoping you dont have to go to jail.

Take care.

Everyone is responsible for their actions, so if you are Jackie, so are your friends. ''Bad influence'' my ass. That's what some mediocre parents say - ''oh it's the company she/he keeps, they're having a negative influence on her/him, it's their fault''. Well where were the parents to teach their kid *values* so that he/she will know how to chose company?
And aye to what everyone else says. Figure out what you want from life, what you value and stive towards that. Does the partying really make you that happy that it's worth all this?

Thanks Beth and Waxingmoon. You're right.

And Moon. I know. I seriously feel like I'm going to be doing this all my life but I'll change that. I really have to.

And I know what you mean. I hate parents like that and a lot seem to blame me. I figure everyone is responsible for their own actions. Most parents just blame their kids friends because they don't want to think they raised a bad kid.