Hi All,

I am posting this to give some people more motivation that NBE does work, I was very inspired by Erica and Eve's pics so hopefully this inspires some people.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27057647@N02/?saved=1

I went from a B cup to a full D cup, before pic was in August of last year but its pretty accurate for when i started NBE, I started drinking soy protein shakes in september, noticed more bobbies so i researched NBE, took breast success for 2 months, grew .5 inches but I think it was just swelling up and down, and my body getting use to the herbs. I started my program with full blown dedication in March of this year. My goal is an F cup.

I be glad to answer any questions, thanks all for everything.

You look wonderful, good for you. Could you give details of your routine as I have looked through program pages and didn't find you. Whats herbs did you take? How much soy milk and protein per day. Have you gained weight from extra milk and protein? Your Piks are soo inspirational. Good job? Please share every detail you can , thanks!

Hi Beth,
Your pictures are amazing. Good for you in going after your dream.

You are definitely the poster child of why protein is so important to NBE.

Best wishes on the rest of your journey,
waxingmoon

Hi Goldsnowflake,

I should post something on the program page, am just being lazy. Here is an earlier post with my routine.

Daily amounts
I take fenugreek 3,000mg
Hops, 1800mg
Fennel 1500mg
PM ( started 2 months ago, about 350 - 500mg a day, I take it in the gum form)
Goats rue extract from mothers love, as directed, am not sure the exact measurement ( am not consistent with this though becos of the bad taste and the cost)
Borage oil 2,000mg
Flaxseed oil 1,000mg
IGF lozenges, 1 tablet mostly, sometimes 2
Massage daily with olive oil and fenugreek extract, then apply heat pad for about 30mins.( In my opinion massage is 50% as important as all the herbs, very important)
Protein, about 90grams a day, mostly from Tuna and lactose free Milk. I have a sensitive stomach so I have to be careful of what I eat.
I was on YAZ for three months starting march, I just switched to Yasmin, I am mentioning this because I feel this hormones may have something to do with my growth and why I don’t react badly to PM. They regulate my hormonal cycle as the birth control pill eliminates the whole menstruation cycle, which usually comes with hormonal flunctuations.
I just added collagen, papaya enzymes and swiss lamb placenta, too early to say if these are working because I started them 2 weeks ago. I was inspired to get all these after reading Rosepapillion’s post regarding the Japanese girls and their success. I don’t drink, don’t smoke, don’t use caffeine, I miss star bucks frapuccinos though! I work out about 3 times a week, just mostly cardio for about 30miutes each. I think exercise is very important because it helps with overall body circulation.

I havent put on any weight, I think am not putting on weight and my hip measurements have not increased because of the fact that i exercise.

I no longer drink soy protein shakes, as one day i almost gagged on it, I hate the taste, also I feel that my body is already getting enough estrogens and phytoestrogens so no need flooding it with more. I figure just let the stronger phytoestrogens do their work.

Thanks again.

Thank you waxingmoon.

You have been a huge inspiration for me, your words of wisdom and your humor, I could not do without them, thanks again.

Wow. I'm a bigger fan of smaller breasts, but yours look great, very perky for their size. Are you already a D cup on the 5 months pic? Your growth was very fast too, you're one of the most responsive ones. Good luck on your F cups journey!

When you get time maybe you could post your piks on picture page and your program so everyone gets the oppotunity to see them and take notes on your program. Your link will eventually get lost with all the posts. Best results I have ever seen on this forum and I have been here a very long time. Good job and good for you! Take care.

Thanks moon for your kind words. Yes, the bra I have on is a D cup and its very tight. I fit a DD cup, but not as well as i want.

I think its fair to say six months got me there.

Moon, sorry i did not read the question well, the 5 month pic, I dont know what cup size that thing is, I bought it for like $20 bucks at some store next to a TGI fridays out of boredom when i was waiting for my food.

I think I was a full C cup, and a fitting D cup in the 5 month pic.

I will find time to post pics on the program page, however i wanted to post when i was done with my journey, I dont know if i should just post now. I will surely do a programs page as well.

Thanks all.

Hi. I just want to remind everyone the effects of birth control pills...when i was on Yasmin i was a Dcup...i have been off for 6months and now im a large B, small C. I have grown to a small C now due to NBE..when i first got off the pills my breast were maybe a B. There are synthetic hormones in the pill that make your chest grow...it is not permanent. Try to avoid being on the pill if you want NBE to truly work.

Bali,
On the contrary, that theory doesn't apply to everyone just the same way herbs doesn't work for everyone, or the way people say PM messes up their period. I am proof of that as herbs work for me and PM doesn't mess up my period even though i take it all through except when am on my period. I was on birth control for about 2 years before i started NBE, i got no growth, except swelling before my period that disappeared after my period was gone. Apart from that NBE itself is not permanent, if you stop at lets say after six months (in my opinion). In the Japanese forum that rosepapilion posted, the girl there had been taking PM for 18months and lost several inches when she stopped, she had to start back again, and is still on a maintenance dose to keep her results. So at the end of the day, NBE is a trick process, I take birth control because it makes my periods shorter and regulates my hormones.

Thanks for ur advice though

I have to disagree with Bali, in a great deal of cases at least, going off the pill would throw your hormones out of balance big time and that really diminishes your chances to grow. Exactly what happened to me, I tried it.

I disagree also, I never experienced any growth when taking BCP and I've been on lots of different brands in the past. Beth your results are amazing- well done!:-D

Thanks Tori.

I think I will do a DD cup now, my mum says an F will be too big for my stature, and when I have kids they will sag badly, am just 21 you know, so I got 2.5 more inches to go, hopefully it comes soon. But yea thts it, the problem tht i keep thinking about is wht would be my maintenance dose and for how long but i guess when i reach the bridge we will cross it.

Beth, are you gonna have Eve put your pics up on the personal picture pages?

wow great progress. i really need to step up my game. i gainned so far 1.5 inches in the bust, so i do believe it works!

Was most of your growth due to your routine before you added PM? Your results are amazing, are you going to eventually stop herbs all together to see if the results last? That is the thing im most confused about. Thanks

Hi Beth just wanted to congratulate you !!! on your gains its a great feeling isnt it !!!!!! a DD is a nice size on me and Im 165cm or 5ft5" love Jelly

Moon, You know what I think I just will, I was going to wait till I was done with my program at first but I think I should just email them to her. Thanks moon.

Bali, I attribute the growth to both PM and herbs, of course I will eventually stop taking the herbs. Thanks

Jelly, yes that sounds like a very nice size for you, I went to the store, for some reasons, I fit the 34dds better than I did the 36dds, I am guessing there is a difference in the cup, I always use to think there was just a difference in the band size. Thank you for your kind words, funny enough, I visit your program page and I stole a lot from you, hehe, I guess its allowed.

Well Beth I consider that an honour glad to have contribued even just enough to bring a smile to someone but especially if it helps our boob quest love Jelly......

Wow! This is really working..this is the first post i am doin here and I just wanted to give u a congrats- I am trying to grow mines to a full D- I am a b rite now- but I don't want to gain any weight anywhere else. Was there any weight gain at any point during the process? Is yasmine a good BCP to be on while trying to do the NBE and also maybe this is a dumb question but what is PM? Any help would be soo appreciated- i just got married and don't feel confident naked with my husband- today he was jokin bout how my chest needs to be inflated more- it broke my heart and i am very desperate to get them to grow! Please any1 help!

OMG, Beth, you look awesome! If I had your boobs right now, I'd be the happiest woman on the face of the earth. Congratulations!

Guest, if you want to do NBE, do it for yourself and not for anyone else! Not even to please your husband if he makes you feel that insecure. "Once a woman has a guy who loves her for who she is, she has no reason to worry about her breast size, so she can forget about breast implants. If a man can't appreciate a woman for what she has to offer, believe me, he won't respect the rest of her either." That's from AskMen.com. (http://www.askmen.com/dating/datingadvice/dating6b.html)

PM ( started 2 months ago, about 350 - 500mg a day, I take it in the gum form

Can you tell us wich is the name of the brand?

Hi Beth-congratulations on your results, you look amazing!!!!!

Since my boobs look alot like yours (lol) in the first pic, ive decided to copy your program and have a couple questions.

What are IGF Lozenges?

what brands of herbs are you taking? are they capsules?

Im also on yasmin, do you think it will be ok if I take pm pills as opposed to gum with this?

I may have some more questions, i just cant remember right now, thanks for all the help Beth <3

thanks lena! that was veryyy wise advice- I agree with everything u say and before I got married I had never thought about boob size mattering- but even when he doesnt say anything i know he prefers bigger breasts because that is the only type of porn he has girls with humongo boobs- and i feel like is he doin this because mines r too small for him? Neways regardless i just also found out i have slight pcos and i used to have bigger boobs when i was younger and feel that the androgen hormones caused my boobs to shrink so i just want my boobs to be more filled out- i am willing to try anything! I really appreciate your advise and kind words =) n may god bless us all with men who truly appreciate us exactly for who we are.

Beth talks about the PM gum brand in this thread:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/484965/thread/1211831765/last-1212163639/Dont+buy+the+full+potential+cream%2C+buy+st++herb

Hi all,
been very busy, traveled to NY. Will answer everyones question by tomorrow, promise. Chao all, boobies kisses.

about PM-- have you only included it in ur diet through the gum? are there any recommended sites? i found this site called puerariamirifica.com but I'm not sure if its valid or not..

Grace,

For the results above i have only being using the pm gum, if u need a link to buy it let me know. I just started using the st herbs cream as well as the blossom soap, too soon to say and i have not been consistent as well as i just started a new job.

Hi Tianna,

sorry for the late response.

Igf logenzes are growth factors, your body changes growth hormone into IGF 1 immediately after growth hormone is released.

You can buy IGF 1 from www.vitadigest.com if you want to try it out, I recommend it as I think it has played a huge role in my fast growth.

For the herbs I use the nature's answer and NOW foods brands, I buy all my herbs online from the same store that orders from the manufacturer.

Yes , you can take the PM pills just remember that the gum has better absorption because the nerves on your tongue take them straight to the blood stream they dont go to the liver.
If you have any more questions let me know.

Liz 1967,

sorry for the late response. I use the orginial B2UP from Japan.

Hi Beth,
Thanks for all the information! In terms of the B2Up Gum, where do you purchase it from?And how immediate do you think the PM enters your system? I'm kind of interested in trying PM as I haven't really been taking herbs this past year and think it might be a good time for me to start.

Thanks!! Happy growing !

What was the name of teh soy protein shake that you drank, Beth? Did you buy it online or at a store?

I am curious now. I am in Newport for the summer renting an apartment so I am as poor as can be. But I still want to try to grow my Boobies.

Any info would be great.

Thanks, and you look amazing! good luck on the F cup!

Joey

WHAT NBE DID YOU USE. I USED B2UP GUM NOTHING HAPPEN,GROBUST LIQUID NOTHING. BEEN USING BOTH FOR 3 MONTHS AND STILL USING, NOTHING. CAN YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS

1. DID YOU USE CREAM?

2. WHAT NBE DID YOU USE?

3. I'M NOT ON BIRTH CONTROL, DID YASMIN HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT OR DID YOUR RESULTS STARTED
BEFORE THE YASMIN?

4. DID THE IGF1 DO ANYTHING FOR YOU?

I HAVE 2 BOTTLES LEFT OF THE BUSTUP GUM LEFT. NO TINGLING OR NOTHING

ARE THOSE YOURS FOR REAL OR SOMEBODY ELSE

HELP UP LITTLE ONES GET BIG ALSO

DOES NBE STANDS FOR NATURAL BREAST ENHANCEMENT

WHERE DO YOU GET IT FROM?

LITTLELEE3000, please refrain from typing in caps.

If you read through Beth's posts, she has answered all of your questions. For basic questions regarding NBE (Natural Breast Enlargement/Enhancement), you can visit the newbies page (titled "Start Here: Information for newcomers" from the main menu).

http://www.network54.com/Forum/522223/

You can also do a forum search. There is a wealth of info here.

so sorry didn't know was very tired and didn't realize

Hi Beth,
first of all congrats on your success! I can see you've been taking pretty big doses of fenugreek 3,000 mg daily. Have you ever ramped up or those are the doses from the beginning? Thanks.

Hi Kristy,

I had started at a lower dose and ramped up to that 3000mg and i have been on that dose ever since. I think its sufficient enough.

hi Beth. What brand of IGF-1 and Hops do you buy? Thank you so much in advance.

Hello Beth,

I was hoping to glean this information as the thread went on. Perhaps it is in another thread? Well anyway, here are my questions.

You went from a B cup to a D cup (32? 34? 36?) basically from August 07 to May 08.

You started soy protein drinks in September of 07.

* What brand of soy protein?

You took Breast Success from August 07 for two months and grew .5 inches.

You were full blown BE in March 08 (as described in the 3rd reply in this thread right?)

* How did you work up to this and over what time period?

* How did you know what to try and how much to try?

What is your age, height and weight?

What was your massage routine?

Thanks a bunch!!!

Wahaika

Hi Krisy,
I use NOW IGF-1 Brand and I use the nature’s way hops brand.
Hi wahaika,
I want to use this opportunity to say thank you to you as I learned a lot from your posts.
This is a little funny but with the band size I figured out that you need more boobs to fit a bigger band size, in the beginning I could fit a 34c, 36B, now I can fit a 34dd and 36d. I would rather use a 36 as I feel its not to tight and the bra cups are bigger so they cup all the boobies that may be spilling onto the armpit. August 07 is not right at all. I would say I started drinking soy protein late September preferably October but I wasn’t steady till November, I started soy protein because I heard they were good for healthy hair.
I used a pretty cheap brand of soy isolate protein powder and I mixed it with milk, so let me add that I think the milk Is very essential as I drank at least 12-14 ounces everyday and still try to.
Again I took breast success for December 07 and January o8, and stopped because u re right I got only .5 inch of growth but all the same I think it got my body used to the herbs.
Yes I was full blown, extremely dedicated NBE March 1st, I promised myself that I was going to stick to it to see if it really works.
I don’t understand what you mean by how did I work up to third and over what time period, please explain.
I did a lot of research on the individual herbs and read a zillion posts from people like you who I felt were informed and know what they are talking about. Erica from the Beboard she was on this forum as well was a main inspiration for my fenugreek dosage. Apart from that I just did a lot and lot of research.
I am 21 years old, 5ft 8inch, and 145 lbs.
My most recent massage routine is that I rub the blossom soap on my boobs, leave it for twenty minutes, wash it off, apply the st herb breast cream, then apply olive oil and fenugreek extract and massage with a handheld massager that kneads very well, and then apply heat for 30 minutes, I do this once a day, before I just used to use olive oil and fenugreek extract and then use heat afterwards.

Hi Beth,

What I meant by "* How did you work up to this and over what time period?" I was referring to the 3rd reply in this thread where you outlined your routine. I was wondering how fast you ramped up on each of your ingredients, and if you did your ramp up based on "growing pains" or something else.

Your massage routine looks great!!!

Wahaika

Ok, I ramped up based on other people's routine's and maximum dosage, i.e i looked at other people's routine and ramped up based on that, however there was a period were i thought i may have ramped up too much and stalled. I wont really say i had growing pains but some tenderness i guess, no swelling either.

are the flaxseed oil and fenugreek, etc.. supplements in pill form???? what if i just take the fenugreek, hops, fennel, flaxseed, and borage without all the other stuff you listed? will i still see some enlargement?

Are you guys serious?? your boobs are obviously fake...your first pic was real. the next pic is from when your boobs were first done as they are swollen and high onyour chest as they first are when you get breast implants...the next pics are from when they are starting to settle.

they still look good tho

Hi Anna,
What does Beth gain out of perpetuating this 'fake'? Does she get money? Does she get fame? She gains nothing -and people just don't go to such lengths for nothing.

Beth has been kind enough to post her pictures which are very inspiring. She has also shared her very reasonable routine with us. Beth's results are real. The picture of her in the white bra are very realistic. Her breasts are high because the bra provides uplift. The other very attractive bra is shaped very differently from the white one. It creates and amazing effect, but it is still very real.

You may not believe that such results are possible - they are not common, but they are quite possible.

I do however agree with you on one point - Beth looks good.

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Beth - how awesome is this - someone thinks you had a boob job. I can't think of a better testimony to your results... lol. Way to go!

Waxingmoon,
Your humor and good spirit are timeless and priceless, thank you for your kind words.

To Anna,
All the herbs i take are in pill form, i dont know whether or not you will get results following a certain regimen or modifying it because NBE is a personal thing.

I actually do get it a lot that mu boobs are fake, because they are pretty full and i also wear bras that provide really good support that make them seem real higher so i understand your reaction Anna. I would never in my life have breast implants, God be merciful to me that am not put in a situation were i have to out of my will, but i think silicone breasts are the most disgusting thing ever, and moreover i would never mutilate my breasts like that.

A little update for everyone:
I had surgery and afterward i was on antibiotics so i had to stop the herbs and all but i just started again. My current measurements are waist, 28inch, under bust, 31inch, at nipples 42.5, and above nipples 41. So basically i have not grown much since but am not surprised am just happy i did not lose anything when i stopped taking the herbs.

Thanks everyone, and happy bobby growing.

Look...as someone who has researched extensively on breast implants, I know a thing or two about what they look like. In the second pic, the breasts are not rounded out at the top...i understand cleaveage but not to that effect. Do you see how they are oblong like shaped? Typical of the look of recent breast augmentation....the next pics look like the beginning of SYMMASTIA...a complication that occurs when the breasts "fuse" together...it begins at the very top of the "cleavage" line...see,, the skin in the middle, looks like its being lifted up off the bone...kind of like there is no fat to fill out the area, so instead of it being soft looking, it just looks like the skin is lifted up, opening the way for the implants to come together...eventually it will form a "uniboob" if you get what im trying to describe.

believe what you want but it just too much to let you all go on thinking that this is all real....

besides...if it IS real, the only explanation would be weight gain(protein shakes, GROWTH HORMONES with the IGF 1 caplets<----(what are u bodybuilding?!?!), AND age considering she is not done growing as she is 18.

Have you also noticed that in most of her posts she is promoting the B2UP gum??

sounds like a scam to me

ADIOS

Also, has anyone ever stopped to think that all these herbs and hormones and insulin growth factors are harmful for your body??...probably SAFER getting breast implants

how come your not accepting my other posts

Anna - The people on this forum have extensive experience and knowledge about herbs, so yes, we are very sure that herbal NBE is not dangerous, when you do it right. If you've done as much research on brest implants as you claim, you should know that the complications involved with them are not so rare and that they can be rather severe. About your claim that growth is not possible without weight gain or takin GH - that's simply not true and theory has all the background and arguments for it. I will not explain it to you as it's up to you to do your research, but the evidence is all over this forum. I should also tell you that ''this is impossible'' is an extreme claim and very hard to prove - you'd have to refute every bit of info that speaks againt it and every sucessful case of NBE. Little things in this world are impossible. Next, you have not seen Beth's breasts without a bra so you don't have reliable enoguh information to make the judgement that they are fake. Besides, the white bra is push up and already too small for her in the second pic, so obviously it's gonna push her breast up in an unnatural position. And finally, did you look throguh other pictures on the picture pages? Are you gonna say all those are fake too?

I'd also like to point out that while it's not most often, some women actually have that implants look of natural breasts, or some other sort of ''unntural'' look of natural breasts - beacuse breasts come in all shapes and sizes. Anyone remember Erica? She did NBE and it all went to her tops. Many people thoguht she had implants, however her pics clearly showed a gradual process of growth. Also Kieyah - her breasts don't look unnatural or anything, but there is a pic in her picture page that shows an addition of gowth only on the tops. And Soliatire - her breasts are so round it's insane, basically they're perfect hemispheres. Which I think looks great btw, but it's deffinitely not an average shape of breasts. She often complained that she didn't like it tho.

Anna,

I could care less about B2up gum, if i was promoting it that bad, i would have been selling it as well on ebay since i have a carton of those things just seating in the house. Also i am not 18, I will be 22 on july 28th. I wanted to post a pic of my breasts without bra but i dont think that would help very much because as i already said, they look very fake, its only if you can feel them, that you know they are not. When i first started dating my boyfriend, he thought i had breast implants as well as his whole family, and while we were all having dinner, his sister had asked me who was my surgeon, and i was like, excuse me? she asked who did your breasts? I was so embarrassed because everybody was looking at me like common you are family now so feel free to tell us, my boyfriend told them to drop it as he could see i was not comfortable with that line of questioning, cut long story short, his 3 sisters lost a lot of money to me after dinner that day because they had made a bet that my breasts were fake, and well after they felt them, they knew they were not fake.
You seem like you have researched breast implants a lot, so maybe you are the one introduced in them, am not, never have been, in other forums i stated that my mum has had 2 kids and breastfed them, and are boobs seat high up in her chest, so it may have a lot to do with heredity as well. It is because of their firmness thats why i want to get to a DD cup because i dont think they will look all saggy because i dont like saggy breasts at all. Also, you have no idea the amount of money, time and exercise i have spent to get them to look like that, believe me it would have been easier to get breast implants if not for my disgust for them, probably cheaper to.
As moon stated, Erica had very beautiful breasts as well that sat high up there, and at the beginning of this message i list her and eve as the people that inspired me, however i was really moved by Erica as i first saw her pics on the beboard and thought her breasts were too perfect to be real.
I would not make any more posts explaining that my breast are real. For those who are copying my program or trying to modify it, you guys are the reason am posting this message at 5:30 in the morning, and not Anna. Big natural breasts are possible, so please lets keep our spirits up and keep growing, remember no negative energy needed, NBE is already hard enough.

LOL! Somebody obviously can't accept that there are women who know how grow big and beautiful boobs without implants. Do I smell JEALOUSY here? Haha! Congrats again, Beth!

I dream of a world where people use their own mind and do their own research to evaluate the information being fed to them on a daily basis. Of course, media would have us believe that herbs and other natural methods are ineffective and dangerous compared to surgery because they have not been approved by the FDA. But if everyone knew what we in this forum know, the breast augmentation by surgery industry would have a run for their money. Maybe all of the ladies in this forum could gather together and write a book on everything a woman needs to know about NBE. ;)

Thanks Lena, I agree that we should write a book, lol, the women in this forum know so much! Knowledge is power!

From reading posts on this message board (I don't post very often) I understand the desire to want to believe everything someone would post, HOWEVER, before Anna even started to say that Beth's boobs looked fake, I was suspicious about her intentions on here. Honestly, this is probably the fourth post I've read by her promoting her breast gain. Every time I come on here there is a new one. It reeks of advertising if you ask me, not sure for what, as I have not read extensively through the posts, but it the post title and the repetition of the same post itself represent the psychology behind advertising. This is not to say that I definitely don't believe her. I just think it's good in some cases (and in life) to remain skeptical. I don't think the pictures are very good for telling that they grew or even if they are the same pair of breasts. She blatantly says she won't take pictures without her bra on because "they look very fake." Everybody can tell breast implants from natural breasts, I find it hard to believe that looking at a naked picture a natural breast would like like a breast implant, ESPECIALLY if she is as large as a 34D.

Anna, I agree with you. I think if we are to be hopeful about natural breast enlargement it is best to look at the pictures posted in this forum, since for the most part, you can tell they are the same breasts and it's obvious that some of them do have growth.

For all anybody knows NBE does work, but maybe not to the degree that some people claim. This entire site could be a way to promote such products.

Not only this, but did you know that around 80% of women wear the wrong bra size? Most of my friends who have larger breasts think for some reason they are a size B, when they are actually a C or even a D. Breasts are malleable, you can squeeze them into smaller sizes and get a tight fit. If women don't recognize they are growing from puberty they are bound to stick to what they are used to wearing and not upgrade. So what if women who are taking these herbs psychologically believe they are working and go have themselves measured at Victoria's Secret? Suddenly they are a cup size larger and feel better. Hence going from a B to a D, instead of a smaller increment of one cup size.

"Care should be taken in the use of phytoestrogen supplements that may contain phytoestrogens at levels far higher than in food. Since phytoestrogens can have estrogen-like effects in humans, use of these supplements for a long time could increase breast cancer risk."

"The effects of phytoestrogens on women taking birth control pills or being treated with postmenopausal hormonal therapy have not been examined. Both of these treatments use estrogen, and since phytoestrogens can act like the hormone estrogen, phytoestrogens might disrupt or amplify the effect of the estrogen in individuals with a diet very high in phytoestrogens. ____which leads to breast cancer"

"Phytoestrogens - acting differently from estrogen - may affect communication pathways between cells, prevent the formation of blood vessels to tumors or alter processes involved in the processing of DNA for cell multiplication."


"The phytoestrogen can act like estrogen at low doses but block estrogen at high doses."

From a study conducted at CORNELL UNIVERSITY
http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/FactSheet/Diet/fs1.phyto.cfm

this is just one of the risks i heard...the others include ovarian CYSTS, OVARIAN CANCER, CHANGING OF THE UTERINE LINING,

basically FUDGING UP ur reproductive system

I guess if you dont plan on having kids then yeah this is a great idea.


PLUS BETH..i have been reading your other posts, as i think all these things are ridiculous here..i thought you said you didnt have a boyfriend and are too busy with a new job at work.

are you real??


Anyways, phytoestrogens can never be as effective as estrogen itself...so why bother...

dont get me wrong but none of your methods make sense.

Breast size is determined hereditarily...
YOU MENTIONED IT YOURSELF..you mother has "supposedly" large and high breasts like you....

you think then that your pills made them grow? or was it maybe your mother.

Also, you are on birth control...i say then that if you all want your breasts to grow just go on birth control with endless amounts of estrogen (far more effective than phytoestrogens) and change the chemical make up of your body and potentially harm you uterus and any chance of ever becoming pregnant again...

NOBODY said surgery was safe...NOBODY said herbs were safe.
but breast size is predetermined...
you can change them A LITTLE
but not a lot

Have you looked at Michelle Choi's pictures?Maybe you should have a look at that!

In response to Iza -
''For all anybody knows NBE does work, but maybe not to the degree that some people claim.''
I don't know whose claims you're refering too, cause I haven't heard anyone here making exaggerated clams. My observation from years of being here is that most women can achieve 1 cupsize, some 2 and a few luckier ones 3. I think most experienced NBEers would make about the same estimate. There are of course also those that struggle without much or any success for years.

''So what if women who are taking these herbs psychologically believe they are working and go have themselves measured at Victoria's Secret?''
Women who do NBE measure and observe their breasts very closely, so I don't think that's very probable. Victoria's secret has more than a bit of vanity sizing going on, but it's obvious that what matters is not what size you wear but the change of masurment and bra filling (the same bra, very useful for detecting growth). I also don't believe that % is credible (despite that it gets quoted a lot, interestinly) because bra fitting is not *that* difficult.

In response to Anna -
Belive me that most of us here have read every single link on the net about phytoestrogens. There are studies that show that phytoestrogens cause cancers as well as studies that show they protect againt them. The same for ovarian cysts and many similar empyrical but not clinically studied cases where herbs showed to improve the conditions that theory suggested they should cause or agrgivate. In any case, what a study says is useless if you don't have the capacity to critically evaluate and interpret it. One important fact for example is that these herbs have been used in traditional medicine for millenia and that is quite a large source of information about just how dangerous they are and how risky. And this huge archive of practical experience has always shown that herbs are very safe, espcially if used wisely. Adverse reactions are possible, just as with medication, but severe complications with herbs are extremely rare, in fact I have not yet heard of such a case report, like of someone ''fudging up'' their reproductive system (I know of one extreme case of damaged halth in NBE caused not by herbs but by stimulating the body's own hormone prolactin). Many of the actions of herbs are not even understood and explained yet, just like many things about the human body aren't, so the weight of practical experience in the field of herbal medicine by far overpowers the still relatively scarse and questionable scietifical knowledge.

''I guess if you dont plan on having kids then yeah this is a great idea.''
So basically, ^that's a huge exaggeration, it's kinda like saying you shouldn't leave your house because there are so many danegrs outside in the big bad world.

''Anyways, phytoestrogens can never be as effective as estrogen itself...so why bother...''
Theer have been reports of women who went and had estradiol perscribed and ended up with no larger breasts, just some scary lumps. Breast growth is not as simple as give me estrogen and voila.

''dont get me wrong but none of your methods make sense.''
Actually they do, not everything yet, but a great deal does. You'd know that if you'd have made some research. Many of the findings we even reached ourselves.

''Breast size is determined hereditarily...''
False. The term ''determined hereditarily'' is grossly misunderstood by laics. The genome is not a book that says exactly what the traits of an organism will be - yes for eye color for example, but not for most traits. It's a lot more complex than that - the genes are just a ''plan'', but the final result depends on *how the genes will express*, and many inetrnal genetic, non-genetic as well as external factors affect this process.

PS - This is a student of medicine speaking.

To Beth,
Congratulations on all your growth!! I feel that you've been very thorough and detailed about your program and ongoing additions, etc. It's very inspiring, not everyone can attain those results, but I guess you hit the right program for your body chemistry.

I agree that breast size is predetermined, but is not always fully expressed, for whatever reason have you (growth stunts from inadequate hormone levels, nutritional deficiencies). NBE and diet change can help precipitate positive change in getting to our predetermined sizes. But that's just one person's opinion.

I hope these posts above don't deter you from keeping those of us who do believe in you from posting Beth! I know you've done a lot of your own research to get where you are today, so keep at it and stay positive! Good luck on your journey !!

Another thing in response to Iza -
I don't see any personal gain or dishonesty in promoting NBE. It's quite understandable that if someone has success with it, they will want to tell everyone about it. There is a lot of recomending going on here, but that is to be expected and I don't see anything wrong with it. We did however also have spammers come here to advertize with fake stories but I can say we can already smell them by a mile.

What some people may not realize is just how much research and knowledge NBE takes. There is no other reason to do all that that would pay off except for genuinely being into NBE, so I think it's unreasonble to think that a member who posts regulary and has a that detaild and complex program as Beth would be making it up.

Beth, where did you buy the b2up from? I ordered some from B2upUSA and it still hasn't gotten here yet, after over a month. BTW, congrats :)

Thanks sunshine and moon.

Curious try going on ebay and searching for b2up, there is a manufacturer there that sells it, the price is pretty decent, she is the person i bought my last batch from, i have no affiliation with her whatsoever, its like me recommending deb from ebay to you who i bought the blossom soap from. I stated that becos Ann ow whoeevr instigated that i may be promoting b2up. As for B2upusa, if you paid with credit card then file a charge back with ur credit card company or paypal becos , i remember those guys accept paypal.

For people in need of motivation that nbe is possible, here is a link that rosep posted in may about a japanese woman who went from a B to a G cup, I visit her site everyday because her pictures inspire me.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://ikunyu.com/bustup/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=
/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://ikunyu.com/bustup/%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Ok first of all, whoever said breast size is predetermined hereditarily (sorry if i spelled that wrong lol) you are sooo wrong! Everyone in my family is a DD, and im a B so thats just not always the case.
Secondly,I dont see beth promoting or advertising anything. Shes sharing with us what has worked for her and what she has used. I am thankful for Beth sharing all this info because i have copied her program (minus the pm and LGF-1 as they arent here yet) and its only been 2 weeks and I have definite growing pains, and a lot of fullness. To the point where my friends are asking me questions.

So Beth, I dont what these girls problems are, but please dont let them get to you. Thank you so much for sharing everything with us, you have already made a huge difference to me.

To the other girls, if you dont believe in NBE and your just going to accuse people of being fake, why even bother coming here? This is a place where we share our information, products and all, if you have nothing to share and and are just coming here to cause trouble, then please find somewhere else to troll

Thanks Beth, I'll check eBay. Actually B2Up did give me a refund, the guy I talked to was really nice about it, so that's good. Maybe it will show up at the mailbox one day, but for now I'll try ebay :)

just wondering....if NBE works, does it change the rest or your body or just your breasts,, example..if you are skinny and thin and have a tight body, would it make your boobs grow AND everyuthing else...bcuz that wouldnt be cool...
i would like to remain small and tight...

Wow congrats Beth! Your pics look great and they are very inspiring. As someone with a 34B chest, I thought it would be best to settle for a C cup, but now, I might just aim for a D cup size myself.
If I only manage to get up to a C cup, I'll still be glad though, because I'm not getting implants ever. I really don't think they're worth it.
I'm still trying to think of what to do in terms of herbs to take, or whether to take any at all.

Thnks beth. ur testimony was very inspiring. I'm planning on starting my NBE programme and i need all the encouragement and inspiration that I can get. Hope to kip evryone posted of my progress.

Hi again Beth =)

So i've started your program, and am noticing a lot of fullness so far, and lots of pains and tingles (yay!). But i wanted to ask you about ramping up....right now, im only taking 1 pill of each herb 3X a day, when did you ramp up?

Hi all,
Thanks everyone,

Hi Tianna, yah! thats how my results started also, I think when i first started i stuck to that those to about 3 to 4 weeks, then i ramped up from there, i did so by 1 additional pill of some of the herbs but not all of them.

Happy growing.

Hi Beth,
If you don't mind me asking, what type of hand held massager do you use for kneading? When massaging, I mostly use my knuckles to knead the flesh, and I get so tired, I end up not doing my massage whole-heartedly. I'm really interested in trying something mechanical, and was looking at a few types in the store, but I'm not really sure which one to choose. There are so many different attachment/head types. What would you recommend? Do you find it's improved your massage routine? Thanks in advance Beth !!!

First of all i wud like to wish u a happy birthday,in one of yur posts u mentioned u'll be 22 today.
this is the first time am joining and i wud like start with small steps and try out the soap,cream and massage oil before i advance. i got the name of the soap but nt the name of the cream. ( can i get all f them on ebay?)i had nice perky boobs but last year they started to shrink and sagg. am 26.i wud like to get them fuller and perky. please help. thanx alot

Lucky you to have big boobs before and now they're even bigger. To have a problem like yours...

LOL

Moon, the first thing I thought of when whasherface posted that Beths posts were a scam and advertisement was "OMG EVERYONE BUY FENUGREEK AND JUNK BECAUSE WE'RE SECRETLY FENUGREEK FARMERS AND WE GET RICH OFF YOU NAIVE LITTLE GIRLS!!!!"

Hahaha.

Anyway, Beth congratulations, you've inspired me to try harder. Right now I have this issue where I'll get excited and I'll buy all these herbs and I'll tell myself I'm going to take them everyday... then I end up doing it like every other day because I get lazy, haha. I know it's possible to grow though, because last year I DID grow about an inch when I was being consistent. Now that I'm finally out of my military training I want to get back on the NBE bus.

To sunshine,
I don’t know the name of the massager I use, but I bought it from my local Walgreens for $21.99. I checked their website but they did not have it. The head has a knot like knead, then two long kneads and then a smooth surface with a ball on top, this is the best I can explain it to you. There are others but I think this is very effective because of the small knot like knead it has on the side. I think this has helped a lot, although me and my boyfriend are on vacation, so I have been slacking a lot on the massage, I get back home tomorrow and I plan to start full force.

To Afry
Thank you so so much for the birthday wishes, they are most appreciated. You can get the soap on ebay for like $12, you can get the cream from ebay as well for $35. I feel this would really help with the fullness and perkiness , also please get something to massage, as you cant really massage with that cream.

Hi Littlelibrabrian.
Thank you.

Hi Halome,
Thank you, I like your name, you have to take the same herbs in a consistent manner, its very important but I know its hard as I have really been slacking lately.
Happy growing all.

wow you are really an inspiration!! right now im a 32 b small 34a because i lost 15 pounds. I want to be a 34d or dd and after seeing your pics im very excited!! i know i can definetly reach my goal. I just stared the bountiful breast program August 9th 2008 and with that im driking the whey power plus protein shakes . Cant wait!!

you look amazing ;) PM GUM? is that whats its called where can i get in the uk and how much?

Thanks Baby, whey protein is really good, I just cant stand the taste. Everyone i have started the soy protein shakes again.

It is PM gum, you can find it on ebay, thats were i buy mine from.

Thanks for all the info

hi,
that's like "wow".Congrats! I am new here and would die to get C cup from my full B. I just don't understand why everyone here wants E or DD? I mean..it's just not something that every woman wants. Isn't it very difficult to live with large breasts and everything..

Because a lot of girls with smaller band sizes have to shoot for larger... thats the trend I notice at least.

Example, you might be a 34 A usually... but some girls find that 32 B's fit better. So let's say you wanted to be a 34 C (the average goal for a lot of girls)... you could likely fit in a 32 D.
Another reason is Cs, Ds, DDs, etc... they all look different on everyone. A lot of ladies when they grow and find they fit in a C cup honestly feel it doesn't look as big as they pictured in their mind.

If any of that makes sense?

Hi everyone,

A little update, because of surgery and all that I have not been consistent at all. Me and my boyfriend went on vacation for a month so it was hard to keep up with the pills and my protein intake as i was eating recklessly with him. Also, he always made fun of me whenever i was doing my breast massage and using my heating pad. He could not understand why and i never even bothered to tell him. He's my better half though so i forgive hime for making me slack on my program. My current measurements are:

at nipples : 43
above nipples: 42
Below nipples ( my ribcage) 31.5
Hips 41
waist 29.

So i would say i have added about 1/2 inch to my hips through this NBE process. I wasnt looking for that but it makes my hour glass shape more prominent, however i wish that half an inch went to my boobs. I just started working out again to lose that but i hope i dont lose any boobage because when i work out, i always over do it, like 1 hour cardio, 1 hour strength training, hmmm, not good at all for nbe.

My goal now is
at nipples: 45
above nipples: 43.5-44
below nipples(ribcage) 31.5

When am done i dont know what am going to do about maintaining the result but we will cross that bridge when we get there. I no longer use goat's rue. I take 4,200mg of fenugreek instead. I just started soy protein shakes again, hopefully that should help.I no longer fit a 36D but i still dont fill out a 36dd as i would like, so filling a 36dd out is my goal, am tired of this process its tedious. As i said earlier it would have been cheaper and quicker to just get breast implants if only they did not look so retarded. Any questions, throw them at me. Chao.

I am new to this and I'm not sure where i can get all the things that I need to get started on NBE. Really need some suggestions. thanks.

I hope you can help me on this. I see your daily intake of all those herbs, but where can I find them? Is the intake the same for anyone or do I have to find a certain amount that my body can tolerate? I am truly amazed by your results. It really is an inspirational and motivational thing for all of us who are trying to grow naturally. I didn't believe anything else would work except going under the knife but you are the living proof of NATURAL enhancement. =D best wishes to you hon.

xkandix, do good research on this forum before you start NBE. Start in the newbies section, the topic (and test) about hormonal imbalances. Make a forum search on other subjects you need to learn about as you go.

Beth,
When you used Soy protein ,what brand did you use?
I have found genisoy. I saw you said isolated soy protein. I want to start with some soy proteins just to get my body used to hormones.

Also about goat rue extract , how important is it?
About your massages : you applied Fenugreek extract and olive oil and then when did you apply the st herbs lotion?
I have bought a whole lot of st herbs cream .
How long did you apply heat and what did you use to apply heat?

Hey Beth... where do you get your BO and cartilage from?
I'm looking for a good brand to get.

Thanks!

Kae

Hi hematin,

http://www.vitasprings.com/optimum-nutrition-opti-soy-protein.html
That is the link to the soy protein that i use, they are pretty good. As for goatsrue i think its pretty good and you should try it out, however i do think it is kind of expensive, but its worth it. I no longer use the fenugreek extract, i got tired of smelling like maple syrup and i also ran out of it so i never just got anything new.

I use heat after massaging for 15-30 minutes.

Hi Kae,

What does BO and cartilage mean?

Hi Beth and congrats on your growth!
Did you use any particular massage method?

Thanks!

Actually, I was just wondering about the same thing...
Beth did you use a certain massage method?
Your growth is truly inspiring! Well done girl!

thanks beth,
I thought you used the fenugreek extract for the massage.
So please tell us your massage routine. And what you used for heating post-massage

Hi Elizabeth,

This is funny but my name is Barbeth Elizabeth bla bla, because of the repetition of the Beths, I usually shorten the Elizabeth to Elise. However, to answer your question, I use a whole lot of massage techniques, i focus on squeezing the breast like am squeezing milk out of it to help with the lymph flow, I do this like 100 times on each breast, as well as focusing directly under my armpit for lymph flow as well. Apart from that i focus on trying to bring the fat from my stomach, back, and armpit to my breast, then a lot of kneading and Japanese massage techniques. I also watch a lot of Asian breast massage videos on youtube and try to incorporate their techniques into mine, I use only some because some of the massage on youtube is just for erotic purposes and have no effect whatsoever on NBE.

In total, most of my massage is from what i have learned from this Japanese girl's blog, she is my breast hero, and i always go to her blog for motivation, lol. Despite the fact the whole thing is in japanese so its very hard to read.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://ikunyu.com/bustup/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/
search%3Fq%3Dhttp://ikunyu.com/bustup/%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Take care

HI Hematin and Patricia.

For heating, i use a heating pad that i bought from walgreens for about $15.

As far as massage goes, I think its important to focus on the top of the breast as i believe there is more stuff there to work with, I also credit this to why my breast look so fake because the tops are very full. I believe massages that incorporate lymph flow are very useful because we use fenugreek which increase breast milk production and mind you we are not lactating women, so its important to do these kind of massages to make sure milk isnt clogging up or anything nasty like that. Regarding the milk production though, I do believe that for girls who are on the pill and taking fenugreek myself, this is a good and maybe a bad thing because hormones, especially estrogen suppresses milk production. So theoretically they could be working against each other, but for some reason i will like to believe that they balance each other out.

I know this was not the question you guys asked but this has been on my mind for a couple of days, i wonder if girls who took only galactogues grew, and more importantly did they keep their growth when they stopped. That said, most commercial NBE products that have been successful like wonderup do have strong galactogues as well as strong phytoestrogen. Is it possible that why some girls are not growing on wonderup is because they are mixing galactogues and phytoestrogens? I ask this question because it seems theoretically they should work against each other like progesterone and estrogen.

Take care guys

Beth, you are a hero yourself!
Which brand of placenta did you use?
You sure did a lot of hard work to obtain your results!
Hats off to you!

Thanks Romav
I assure you it is a lot of work, when i see girls with big breast( which happens to be most of the females in my family) and they are like whatever, in my mind am like oh you girls have it so easy you dont know.

I use DNA swiss lamb placenta, but i plan to either stop it or find another brand because the brand i currently use has a lot of vitamin A in it, and i dont want to take such a high dose of vitamin A since your body just cant get rid of it because its a fat soluble vitamin.
The brand i currently use is called placenta plus dna swiss lamb placenta, its made by All Nature pharmaceuticals.

Take care

Hi everyone,
wow, this has been the hardest mark for me to pass, the 43inch, anyway measured last night and am at 43.5. So thts a little good. I stopped the IGF for a couple of weeks will start using it again tomorrow. Pappaya enzymes are very good for NBE, i dont know why, but they are going to be among the things i continue using after NBE.
I have been slacking in massage as well, right now i havent massaged for three days, oh boy, i need some motivation.

Warning! You guys better google the side effects of IGF1 or other Growth Hormone pills.

Your boobs are big but they are not beautiful. Eva's breasts are the attractive ones!

Hey Beth,
you look great girl! Thumbs up!
About the papaya enzymes, do you prefer any brand in particular?
I think as far as the NBE is concerned, the papaya enzymes facilitate the absorption of supplements. Do you think they might act synergistically with the phytoestogens?
Hm, maybe we need to look into that...it seems quite interesting!

Happy growing everyone!
When there's a will, there's a way, right?

;)
Nicole

Beth, can you post your pic on the Personal Pic Page? And can you write down your progam too? I would truly appreciate it.

Haters in the house yo! I absorb all kinds of negative energy and turn it into positive energy so please keep on haters. Show us your boobs cindy, please do. Nicole am not saying anyone should take IGF, am just stating what am doing, its not a crime girl.

happy booby growing everyone.

Nicole thanks a lot, the ones i use are tropics ...., dont remember the exact name, but will post that up soon. I believe ur explanation is correct. Thanks a again.

Beth, Do not listen to stupid people who would say your breasts are not beatiful, they only say that because they WISH they could have gotten results like you and they do not believe it is possible to gain so much naturally without implants. But we both know you can as well as the hundreds of women who posted having results on this forum. You breasts are beautiful and people are just jealous and I don't blame them!

Cindy, you wish you had breasts like hers..

Congratulations on the growth Beth, you're my inspiration as well now, damn girls how did you do this?? was it plain guessing or did your instincts tell you what to take as far as herbs and such?

How many pieces of gum did you chew at once? I know you've said you did 9-10 pieces a day, but how were your dosages distributed? I don't want to do too much gum and fennel seed at one sitting, because wouldn't the body eliminate the excess estrogen if you take too much at once?

Thanks!

Hi there. Have been reading this thread for a little while & didn't really have a need to comment untill i saw that stupid dumb ass negative comment. I thought the main point of this forum was to share ideas & tips as well as support & encourage each other. I've been trying nbe for years & believe me i can use all the motivation i can get. After having a few failures it's great to see your results & know that such things really are possible. Keep up the good work :)
Michelle x

Great! Beth has put on a tremendous amount of efforts to get her boob this way, I think you have tried very hard! But it is true to read all the warnings on the label before taking any herbs. I have googled the side effects of IGF1, it was terrible if you suddenly develop another finger or another breast. No kidding! You all should read for yourselves.

This is good inspiration.
I'm currently a 34D (38 inches across nips) and wouldn't mind about 2 more inches to a 34DDD (40 inches across nips).

I just started consistent massages, drinking plenty of milk, and making sure to eat regularly and plentiful this week. My hip measurements are currently at 40, but I wouldn't mind if they had to increase 2 inches as well. Actually, I have no problem if I end up gaining weight...as long as my waist measurements stay the same, lol. We'll see :)

Happy growing and keep us posted, Beth!

Thanks everyone for your nice uplifting comments. Cindy is obviously just jealous so I will just ignore her for good.
Hi double Ace, I just did as I felt with my body, depending on how I felt my body was responding, I responded back, &#61514;
Hi Lady D,
I chew 2 to 3 at once, sometimes I even chew just 1 but I never surpass 9 pieces a day. From my knowledge the gum n fennel should not be a problem, just try to chew the gum while u re massaging if u can.
Thank you Michelle.
Carol,
As I have said, people should research everything before they use it, and am not going to respond to any more posts pointing fingers at me regarding IGF.
A few things so far:
I am now 44 inches at nipples, my body is something else, however I think this boost came from me increasing my fenugreek dosage, I now take 1800mg 3 times a day. I take hylauric acid, it has biocell collagen in it, and I now take horsetail extract, but ofcourse that’s for my hair. Am obsessed with hair, breasts, and skin. Well I know my problem.
So far in my program I have learned that PM creams are useless for growth, and yes I use the extreme language “useless”. This is my opinion; do not post a reply telling me that some people have had growth with PM cream, good for them. From research and from experiences, that’s my conclusion.
However, they are effective for lift, for this reason when my current batch finishes, I am not going to buy any more cream, I have no desire for firmer breasts.
Fenugreek is very vital to every breast enlargement program, yes again I know there are people who have grown without it, however in my opinion, some people do not take enough fenugreek. Fenugreek can be taken up to the limit of 5400mg a day. You cannot just start at that those, you start at something smaller and then work your way up gradually based on your body’s response. Remember to eat 30 minutes after taking fenugreek, especially if you take it as such a high dose. This is very important.
When on this herbs, or before starting them, if you are not on a strict exercise regime, buy anti-cellulite cream, why? Simply because more estrogen causes us to store fat in cellulite prone areas, better to be for armed, so in other words start using it before you start herbs and continue using it on all those areas while on herbs, especially the thighs.
Sleep, is very important for breast growth, if you are able to catch a 90 minute nap during the day this is very good for your whole body and mind, especially your breast.
Calcium and vitamin D is very important, although I have said this before but I cannot help stress this fact again, for those who are not vegetarians and like drinking milk, try to drink at least 32 oz a day with your program, the combination of protein, calcium, and vitamin D is a winner.
Borage oil, canola oil, very NBE friendly.
Papaya enzymes is very good, although am still a little confused on how it works, I don’t really buy the explanation that it aids in digestion of the herbs more, I will like to see another hypothesis and am still searching &#61514;
Finally, you have to be dedicated, and you have to eat foods that have healthy fat, if you don’t eat fat your body will not have any fat! Fat plays a big role in boobies. If you eat just your recommended amount of calories, your body is not going to have anything to store in your breast. Am not say over eat or practice gluttony but just know you have to eat and exercise moderately.
Do not buy over expensive herbs, or herbs that look attractive with exaggerated testimonials, save your money buy herbs from a reputable source because buckle in mama, it’s gonna be a long ride, not too long, hopefully, &#61514;
I hope this will helps someone.
Take care everyone, boobie kisses

Hi Beth :)

How many months total have you been chewing the gum now and have you been chewing it constantly with no breaks? Right now I take PM pills but I'm interested in the gum too.

Isn't Beth a doll? I really appreciate all the ladies who take the time and post so many details about their nbe program especially AFTER they've reached their goal.
Thanks Beth and thanks to all the girls who make this forum worth reading and inspirational!

Beth,

What can I say about my growing partner that she has not mentioned in her last post. I agree with you, if people do not want to use certain things, THEN DON'T! YOu have grown really well so clearly you must doing something right, also you are still alive!

I am so inspired to continue because of you. Are you done NBE now at 44 inches? For the first few months, what were you experiencing? I am seeing growth but it seems slow and I am hoping that within 6 months if I am not a full D, that I will at least be close to it.

My problem was overspending on my program. I think I found a better altternative, which I might start in a month or two when my herbal supply runs out. I am prepared to take NBE for a year or more until I reach my desired goal.

I did check out the lady who went to I think it was a G Cup. Since you seen it Beth, I am wondering did she only take PM? And did she take any breaks with PM?

By the way, it says on my bottle of Papaya enzyme that it help to bealk down proteins so our body get the full usage of the protein and it helps in digestion of anything you intake including herbs, so it helps your body break them down and send it to your boobs. Anyhow, that is just my view.

Thanks for posting and giving hope to a woman like me!

Hi Beth, (and all other readers of post!)

Your program is very interesting. I'm on wonderup and am going to add some extra herbs to make it similar to yours.

Will need to add 1200mg fenugreek to bring it up to 3000mg daily, 1000mg borage, 1200mg hops, and some flaxseed oil 1000mg. I already take soya protein shakes but will increase that to a whopping 90grams!! 1 scoop is equal to 25g so I'll double that and also eat high protein foods, tuna, chicken, beans etc.

Do u believe BE is possible without SP? I'd rather not add it anyway as it always repeats on me, really hate it!


Anyway your opinion on above would be appreciated.

~xXx~

Hi Beth congrats on your progress!

Thanks for all the information, you give huge inspiration to others trying to gain.

I've been searching for a massager that fits the description you gave. Unfortunately I haven't found anything similar yet. What is the name brand? Could you please post a pic of it?

I see that I need to add fenugreek to my regimen!

Question: I just recently restarted birth control. Is there any word as to whether the fenugreek interferes w/ it?

Also: Are there growing pains associated w/ NBE? My breasts have that tenderness I usually get w/ PMS, but I'm already done w/ my cycle. It's not bad as it actually makes massaging feel a little better. But I'm wondering if this could be a sign that they're growing??
:-) :-) :-)

Just a thought, Beth, but I was thinking about how the Japanese girl's blog was such a great inspiration to you. Well, since you're such an inspiration yourself and people are dying to know what you're doing, maybe you could make a blog, too? I think it would really help a lot of us.

Again, just a thought. :)

Yes, your page is getting long and confusing what you have been using to effectively grow your boobs. If you dont mind, could you create your own personal program, listing all your herbs, time, usage? That would be very nice of you!

Thanks Beth!

Hi Beth!

I agree with you on the papaya enzymes. I think it has it's own properties because in 6 or 7 months I was off of herbs completely, I started these supplements and got fuller and had tingles. But I started taking too much and I think my body adjusted or I stalled. I've recently started taking them again since seeing your success with them. How many do you take a day?


Maybe there's some type of fat in the papaya that helps NBE, like the fat in avocado, which I believe is NBE food from what I've read on here.

Anyways, glad to see you're getting closer to your goal!!

Do you people buy papaya enzymes, papaya supplement or just papaya fruit?

Hi beth! You have truely inspired me, is there a multi vitamin or something along those lines that has the herbs you sue in your daily routine, maybe not all of them but most so it will still make an effect. Also will it have a bad effect on me if I am still developing?

Also is the gum crucial to the process? Is there any other way to get what is in the gum without having to buy anything online?

Maddie, at 13 years old you didn't even have time to develop. The levels of your hormones are the highest during puberty and they drop shortly after the puberty is completed. That's why us who completed puberty can add plant hormones, because we have ''room'' on our receptors, as our own hormones are not so high. You don't have this room, because your homrones are high they need all the receptors to be able to carry out their functions of growth and development. If you took plant hormones right now, which are weaker than your own, you would inhibit your own hormones and that could affect not only development of your breast, but of your ovaries, uterus, bones and even your brain. Please listen to the advice you've been given.

Thank you very much, I thought this advice was only directd toward the pills. I guess i'll just have to wait then.

Commercial breast pills are made from herbs, we just buy our own ingredients cause it's usually cheaper. You can do a massage based NBE. People have had sucess with massage alone, and everyone here will tell you that without massage herbs do nothing or very little. Massage is an important part of any NBE. We take the herbs to recreate the hormonal profile of puberty, but you already have it, so massage and a healthy lifestyle is all you need.

SORRY FOR THE LATE RESPONSE EVERYONE, THINGS HAVE BEEN HECTIC.
Hi Duelli,
I don’t remember when exactly but please read above and It should state so, I chew them continuously, sometimes very religiously, other times not so. However, I do not chew them when on my period.
Thanks RomaV, am trying.
Hi Double D, my dearest growing partner, so sorry for the late response, hope things are coming well for you, things have been hectic for me lately.
No I am trying to get to 45 inches, a full 45 inches and then I will stop. For the first few months the growth was very subtle, just a lot of fullness. Girl 6 months may not be enough time, in about a month I would have been doing this for a year now.
You are right money is an issue, as I have already said, if breast implants did not look the way they did, I will get them instead, I would not even mind the surgery and other things, its just the cutting of my breast, putting something in, and then the thing looking so ugly, if this was not the case, I think on the long run, getting implants is cheaper money wise compared to doing NBE, especially when you are on a complicated program like mine.
The lady who got to a G cup, did not use only PM, although it was the main component in her program. She used other suppliments for example, a way stronger form of placenta drink, hyaluronic acid, collagen, sometimes she used a supplement that enhanced her progesterone level and so many other things. I think though, that she grew that much because she also put on a certain amount of weight, which according to her went to her butt and thighs as well. She had mesotherapy treatments to help with her thighs and butt. ( I would not mind mesotherapy in the future as well, when am done with NBE). She did take a break when she was sick after a year and she lost almost everything but she gained it all back within a month when she got back on PM but apart from that she never took a break and she still uses some kind of maintenance dose.
The exact details of her program is a little hard since its in Japanese, I cant tell you how many hours I spent trying to understand what is on her blog.
Yea papaya enzyme is something else girl, my breast get so full once I take them, however I am beginning to think that mixed with fenugreek, they give you more gas, totally disgusting, but for boobies its worth it.
Take care.
Hi Pinklemoncake
I don’t believe in SAW palmetto at all. Except you are certain you have androgen excess, and even in those cases I would recommend taking a BCP that may fight that more effectively. I think the more protein the better but however, add some healthy fats and fiber in your diet as well, apart from that your program looks good. Also, put in mind am not familiar with wonderup and what it contains.
Hi Sveletecutie,
My webcam is not working so I cannot post a picture, however try a Walgreens, the color is white and grey and it looks like a stick with a round head, it’s the only one of its kind.
Hi KB,
To my knowledge, fenugreek does not interfere with birth control, however they have opposite effects on breast, fenugreek increases milk production and birth control suppresses it.
Growing pains are good but not every body has them, mine were very subtle, if you are feeling them then yes it’s a good sign.
Hi Blessedbreasts,
Thank you so much, I will put that in mind, I just wish I had the time.
Hi Booblover,
I will try, however I have invested so much time posting on this page, its going to be hard to start a program page at this time. I don’t think this page is too bad for those who are motivated enough to read through it.
Hi sunshine,
I know, there is something about them, I take about four capsules a day, but I think the brand I use is quite strong. I take the green papaya though.
Hi Moon,
I buy green papaya enzymes. I actually don’t like the fruit at all.
Hi Maddie,
Taking flaxseed oil with low lingan content should not do you any harm, apart from that just eat healthy at this age, and don’t be scared to put on some weight because at this stage your body will direct fat to your breast more, however after puberty you can kick the weight off but you would have your boobies, eating healthy, massaging your boobies, getting enough sleep and taking a multivitamin daily, and you should have lovely boobies my dear.

Thanks for the update Beth.
Question: Did you feel discouraged in the beginning. So, before the program I think I had put on some healthy weight and my boobs were feeling heavy and looking like they were ready to get bigger. So I went ahead and started the boobie program to make a conscious effort to make them bigger.

The thing is, I keep waking up and thinking that they're smaller :/ And when I measure, I'm still more or less 38", but it seems like it's getting close to 37" than closer to 39". So I don't know if I'm tripping out or if they really are subtly getting smaller :/

What I'm really wondering is if the MASSAGES are making me smaller :/ Could that be possible????

Another thing that is possible is that I could be slimming down and that initial weight gain could be going down....I don't know.

Whatever the case, I started taking papaya enzyme and fenugreek a few days ago. So, any advice about how the beginning of the program may feel. And again, could the massages be making them smaller?

Thanks in advance :)

I've been reading the messages others have sent you, and I don't know what NBE is. I've also seen your pictures, and am SO very jealous! Being an asian person, it's typical for me to have A's. I would also want to know where you got your breast enhancement products/ingredients from. Are most in regular grocery stores? And what's PM? And do you take all the breast enhancement products everyday? I'm sorry if this will take much time. Please respond though :]

NBE = Natural Breast Enlargement/Enhancement
PM = Pueraria Mirifica

For all newbies, please visit this page: http://www.network54.com/Forum/522223/

You have to take the time to read all the old posts. There's a lot of info here, but it's all valuable. Good luck :)

what does PM stand for and where can I buy it?

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Hi Beth,
I'm curious to know why you don't believe in saw palmetto? What's wrong with it? Thanks.

those are obviously implants ,jeeez shame shame shame!

Put up a new pic beth, holding up a newspaper with the date on it. I guarrentee her boobs look totally different now do to the dropping proccess of breast implants!

Go to breastimplants411.com girls and you will see exactly what I mean when viewing thier galleries which show how new implants sit high up on the chest then over time drop dow. beth will never put a new pic up , do to this proccess which would prove her to be a fraud.

Anyone who has implants or who has researched them can spot this fraud!

seems beth had quite the history hanging out on the breast implant forum prior to may 27th, look around people! She asks all types of questions on that forum rite up to the begining of may, then then her posts stop on that side.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/485125/thread/1194922125/last-1228634848/Very+natural+looking+boob+job%21

1 - Hanging arround a breast implant forum says nothing. I think most of NBEers considered implants at some point of their lives.

2 - Beth has put up a later pic of her in a bra that has less support (the pink one) and ther boobs don't sit unnaturally high. And the white bra is paushup so obviously it pushes her boobs up into an unnatural position.

3 - Even if Beth's boobs were implants, her program is very complete and innovative. With my experience in NBE, I think a program like that would have a very high success rate.

4 - You're green with ennvy.

ok ya'll have my curiousity but i can't find her program of her pics....help?!!!

Wow, here we go again with the 'she had implants' theory.

From the perspective of what is common in human motivation, I have to ask - What does Beth get out of telling us she gained size through her program if she actually had a boob job instead?

As Moon pointed out, depending on the picture her breasts look different. Just what in your mind does it look like for a person to naturally go from a B cup to a D cup. There is a lot of tissue in those boobs. If you put them in a push up bra they will really, really push up. If she were wearing a different style of bra we would see the breasts differently.

Of course now even if she puts up a picture of herself in a non-push up bra you will say that what she is showing is the 'dropping' effects of a boob job. I like the way you covered your bases there... it shows initiative.

Again - what is Beth getting? Is she selling us something? I have yet to read a 'buy my stuff post'.

All Beth seems to be doing is encouraging women to use natural means to achieve their breast goals. Yes, she is probably one in a million in her response to the methods she used. It just goes to show that when someone finds what their body will respond to then growth is possible. In Beth's case her body was able to grow this big.

She started as a B cup - that is not that small and in the world of NBE, the rich tend to get richer. She gained 2 cup sizes which is definitely doable. Her program is valid. She encourages others and has a positive attitude. These are all very believable traits.

As far as the 'she posted on the implant forum'. The post you referenced showed her indicating she did not like the looks of implants. Not exactly damning evidence...

I must say you are investing a lot of time in this 'Beth had implants theory', but your evidence is still lacking. It needs more work. I guess you will have to spend a whole lot more time if you are going to convince anyone of this theory of yours. But hey, they say a hobby is good for you...

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

Do not be surprised if she is selling something a yr from now , you see this all the time on the internet!
Plant the seed when you have a business plan , then cash in down the road when you have everyones trust.

Mangz,
I'm just wondering how thoroughly you've looked through this thread. I know, it's quite long so the task is daunting if you haven't been following it since the beginning. Reading it carefully you'll see how specific she is in her regime, how she adjusted the ingredients, dosages over time. Why the need to thoroughly report that to us? Also, she did a lot of her own research about absorption, etc and gave great advice to others about ingredients she wasn't necessarily using herself. And I think a true testament to the natural-ness of her program is that she massaged, everyday, quite thoroughly and even she says that massage, for her, contribed to 50% of her success - the dedication she put towards her program is applause-worthy. I wouldn't be saying this if she hadn't been updating her progress along the way. Some people, like Bella, get results, and THEN report them, and try to sell us something (no offense bella - I hope your product is selling well). Nothing is wrong with that, but it is more subject to questions of authenticity.

So if down the road she starts trying to sell something as you say, what exactly would that be? She has already thoroughly detailed "the product" here to all of us, brands and dosages and they are all readily purchaseable on their own. What else is there? A home-call massage service?

PS - anyone with any kind of meat on their chest who puts on a push up bra can look like they have fake boobs. Heck, I'm only a 32B-C but when I wear one, mine look huge and fake as well - my friends are always surprised but it's all about how large your breasts are in proportion to the rest of you, and where they sit on you. I happen to be very narrow-framed.

PPS - is it quite possible that she stopped posting over there after she found success over here? And last time she gave a thorough post here she was only an inch away from her goal? Maybe she's done with NBE now and has stopped posting here as well.

You know i have to hold my tongue so i dont say something really nasty to mangz or whatever. I do not have breast implants and i do not intend to sell anyone any crap. I have been through so much with this NBE process that am just so tired of it all, i mean am happy i have some breast but the amount of pills i have taken within the past year is just pathetic and then the work, the money, re u kidding me? breast implants would have been a way easier option. I have not been coming here for a while because i am preparing for a really hard exam, and its so easy for me to get distracted and stay on this website all day, rather than study like i should be doing.
I am still pretty much the same size, i have stopped taking IGF-1, I want to try L-Arginine instead, because my body may have gotten used to IGF-1. I just added red clover extract 2 days ago. I stopped taking PM about 2 months ago, it was just getting to darn expensive, and we all know the economy is really messed up right now. I am taking a humongous dose of fenugreek, 12 capsules a day, and i think thats pretty much the only change to my program. I really have been slacking with the massage, and its just so sad, i wait till the middle of the night after i am done reading and i am so tired the last thing on my mind is my breasts, so lately i have been trying to massage in the morning.

Someone asked me about saw palmetto, what i dont like about it is that if you do not have an issue with testerone then i think one should skip it except you start stalling with other herbs and want to try something different.
I will try to get a new log in so i can post more often. Also i am not putting up any picture of my breast with no stupid newspaper and date, you must be ridiculously naive to think you can request anyone to do something like that to prove a point to you, how rude and inconsiderate of yoy. If you dont believe me, then fine, why do i care if you think my breasts are fake or real? I dont even know you anyway, so please voice your opinions all you want but dont ask me to do anything just to prove anything to you, because as i have already said, i owe you no explanation!

You go girl!!!!!!!

How much as this cost you Beth?I don't think I'd have the time to do all those pills,and regime!

. Also i am not putting up any picture of my breast with no stupid newspaper and date, you must be ridiculously naive to think you can request anyone to do something like that to prove a point to you, how rude and inconsiderate of yoy. If you dont believe me, then fine, why do i care if you think my breasts are fake or real? I dont even know you anyway, so please voice your opinions all you want but dont ask me to do anything just to prove anything to you, because as i have already said, i owe you no explanation!
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ofcourse you wont, you pathetic liar!

you wont post your current pics , simply because your implants have fallen into place and you would be known as a fraud!

Mangz,
I'm just wondering how thoroughly you've looked through this thread. I know, it's quite long so the task is daunting if you haven't been following it since the beginning. Reading it carefully you'll see how specific she is in her regime, how she adjusted the ingredients, dosages over time. Why the need to thoroughly report that to us? Also, she did a lot of her own research about absorption, etc and gave great advice to others about ingredients she wasn't necessarily using herself. And I think a true testament to the natural-ness of her program is that she massaged, everyday, quite thoroughly and even she says that massage, for her, contribed to 50% of her success - the dedication she put towards her program is applause-worthy. I wouldn't be saying this if she hadn't been updating her progress along the way. Some people, like Bella, get results, and THEN report them, and try to sell us something (no offense bella - I hope your product is selling well). Nothing is wrong with that, but it is more subject to questions of authenticity.

So if down the road she starts trying to sell something as you say, what exactly would that be? She has already thoroughly detailed "the product" here to all of us, brands and dosages and they are all readily purchaseable on their own. What else is there? A home-call massage service?

PS - anyone with any kind of meat on their chest who puts on a push up bra can look like they have fake boobs. Heck, I'm only a 32B-C but when I wear one, mine look huge and fake as well - my friends are always surprised but it's all about how large your breasts are in proportion to the rest of you, and where they sit on you. I happen to be very narrow-framed.

PPS - is it quite possible that she stopped posting over there after she found success over here? And last time she gave a thorough post here she was only an inch away from her goal? Maybe she's done with NBE now and has stopped posting here as well.
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Listen,
I have ddd 800 cc implants and have researched pics of implants till my brain was fried. I guarentee you those are implants and most people who have implants will tell you that those without a doubt are implants.
Why do I care? because alot of girls are gonna go out and spend alot of time and money on some bogus claims.

I never tried nbe, I stumbled on this forum while googling maca and came across this post.I will not bite my tounge and say nothing well someone goes around making bogus claims that have the potential to hurt others.

I am not saying nbe does not work ect.. I am just saying this women is posting pics of implants!

Hi Mangz,

Thanks for answering the question I was wondering. I was thinking 'why is this poor dear woman so driven by this issue? We are all anonymous here and none of us have met nor will likely meet one another. Therefore, it cannot be something that dear Beth has done to you personally.'

And yet, you continue to persecute Beth. Your reasoning is flimsy at best. You have a belief based on other pictures you have seen. Beth's pictures seem similar to those other pictures. Beth has posted on the breast implant portion of this forum. You find that suspicious. That is the entire basis of your argument.

You have little if any knowledge of what NBE can do. You are ignorant of its potential and you have not tried it yourself. Instead you are burdened with implants. You are here and possibly are feeling very vulnerable.

After all, if Beth could achieve her results without resorting to surgery, could you have done the same?

With implants you have gone through a lot of pain. You have spent a lot of money, or at least a lot of money has been spent on this procedure. You did not end up with a 'natural' look. You are not comfortable in your body, not now with these artificial implants, and not before you got them either.

You are wounded and you are upset and it just tears you up that someone has achieved a very large size without going through the hell you have just been through.

You do not want it to be true that Beth has achieved what she has achieved. If it is true then you feel that your choice and all the consequences of that choice are put into question.

I know all of these things because you have told them to me in your posts. The size of the implants you chose tells me about you. Your impassioned responses to all posts have told me about you.

I see you for who you are Mangz, who you have presented to us, and I just wanted to tell you that I have sympathy for you. I am sorry for your pain and discomfort of body and mind. You have been through a lot and you will continue to go through a lot with these choices you are making.

You will not sway us with your arguments and obviously we will not sway you either. We do not come here to fight one another, nor trick one another, nor hurt one another. We come here to share information and encourage one another.

Be at peace Mangz... I truly wish you the best.

waxingmoon

waxing mom, you mite need a shrink, seems like you have gone through alot if you feel everyone that has not grown thier boobs with hard work is in a sad state.It is very easy to always just say someone is jelous ect.. when they go against you is it not?

the bottom line is , her boobs look exactly like new implants.....
natural boobs do not look like 2 implants were shoved in and stretching the skin off the bone.You can say whatever you want , but the fact is beth posted pics of herself with implants.



please show me where in my post I said nbe does not work or you could not achieve a large increase from them.

I am in no way saying a routine with herbs ect... will not grow a womens boobs larger or anyone elses claims are in question,I am just pointing out beth posted pics of breast implants.

waxingmom,
the one and only one on the planet that claims maca grows your rearend. ohh lord!

After 2000 yrs of use , waxingmom discoverd maca 's rearend growing capabilities.

Hi Mangz/Shelly,

Ha,ha... I don't think there is anyone who would debate that I 'might need a shrink' ... lol.

Well, I didn't say that "everyone" who did not grow their boobs through hard work was sad... I just thought that you might be. After all, I am not hanging out on boob surgery sites and claiming that the pics of some woman could not be achieved through surgery and that it must be from natural means... It just seems that it is strange that you are here and so adamant about your point of view. Get over it... or just keep posting the same old thing. As I stated, we are not going to change your mind about this. You are not going to change our mind about this. Seems like some dead horses being beaten...

As far as the maca... isn't that a riot. Never in a the history of mankind has anyone had such a response... but here I am sitting on the evidence. I feel sort of sorry for those who are trying to achieve my butt results. I tell them that each person responds differently, but they just keep asking me to tell them more about 'it'.

And now you are talking about it too... lol. All I wanted to do was grow my boobs and now I am famous for my butt... Ah, sweet, sweet life... always something to laugh about. Seriously if only I had known of this consequence I would never have tried it.

As far as you trying maca... give it a whirl. I thought the gelatinized powder form from Navitas was very tasty.

But, you just go on being yourself Mangz/Shelly. I look forward to you asking me to post pics of my butt or however this is going to pan out.

At least it will be interesting... lol.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

Waxingmoon,
LMAO, Lol, u re so funny and you write so scholarly, its quite impressive.

Manga, i see why u re so hateful, your breast must feel really hard and look quite ugly right? Oh well, I love my fat filled boobies darling, all fat straight from mother nature, no nasty saline bags. i feel for u a little bit though, soon you would have to get those ugly bags you call boobs replaced, your must not be able to feel your nipples anymore from putting fake bags in your breast thats why you are so jealous and angry, but you are still quite pathetic, so go choke on your breast with your opinions.

I will put new pics as soon as am positive that you and your negative self have stop posting on this forum, we do have negative people like you come to visit us here and now, but they always go back to were they come from because we dwell on positivity here and not negativity. Light and darkness dont mix together honey. I will put up pics for the other dear members of this forum, not for your ugly saline filled breasts to wish they looked like that. Also, your head must be sick, and you definitely must need a shrink for calling me a pathetic liar. You are seriously mental, so please get help.

It's kinda odd how beth all of a sudden is available as soon as she is called out ,when she has not been around for awhile.

things that make ya go hmmmmmm..

Waxingmoon,
LMAO, Lol, u re so funny and you write so scholarly, its quite impressive.

Manga, i see why u re so hateful, your breast must feel really hard and look quite ugly right? Oh well, I love my fat filled boobies darling, all fat straight from mother nature, no nasty saline bags. i feel for u a little bit though, soon you would have to get those ugly bags you call boobs replaced, your must not be able to feel your nipples anymore from putting fake bags in your breast thats why you are so jealous and angry, but you are still quite pathetic, so go choke on your breast with your opinions.

I will put new pics as soon as am positive that you and your negative self have stop posting on this forum, we do have negative people like you come to visit us here and now, but they always go back to were they come from because we dwell on positivity here and not negativity. Light and darkness dont mix together honey. I will put up pics for the other dear members of this forum, not for your ugly saline filled breasts to wish they looked like that. Also, your head must be sick, and you definitely must need a shrink for calling me a pathetic liar. You are seriously mental, so please get help.
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hmmmm so you want people to believe you dont have implants and your not making this all up, yet you make a post like this and show your true character?

quote "Manga, i see why u re so hateful, your breast must feel really hard and look quite ugly right? Oh well, I love my fat filled boobies darling, all fat straight from mother nature, no nasty saline bags. i feel for u a little bit though, soon you would have to get those ugly bags you call boobs replaced, your must not be able to feel your nipples anymore from putting fake bags in your breast thats why you are so jealous and angry, but you are still quite pathetic, so go choke on your breast with your opinions."

But, you just go on being yourself Mangz/Shelly. I look forward to you asking me to post pics of my butt or however this is going to pan out.

At least it will be interesting... lol.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon


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It would be so crazy for anyone to ask you to post a pic since maca has been around for 2000 yrs and plenty of women have reported thier rearend growing from it.

Hey girls,

I think I am probably right in saying that this is all getting a little too personal and angry here!

Firstly, everyone is entitled to their opinion, that is freedom of speech. However, nobody has the right to ridicule or call another names - and that means all of you.

Where is the sisterhood???? Throughout my journey into motherhood and womanhood I have been shocked by the lack of support women lend to one another. Rather than building one another up, we tear each other down with harsh criticisms, when we all know how hard it is to be a woman - especially in today's society. We should be shouldering our burdens, and leaning on each other.

Instead there is this mean undercurrent of cattiness whenever women come together. To be frank, it's very dissapointing.

We are all here because we would like to make some personal improvements physically. But it seems to me that we will never be happy if we don't make some improvements internally as well.

Let's not pick on each other girls.

Beth admits her boobs look fake but is adamant they are real, she has also given a fairly detailed program to help others. I'd be inclined to believe her.

If she was lying about it, I don't think anyone would have anything to lose but her.

Thanks for sharing your results Beth, but anyone with any amount of success in the world today is bound to receive criticism - sadly that is the way the world is.

Peace out!!

Lilly

From wikipedia:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

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Troll solution... don't feed the troll.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

I honestly cant believe what I have just read from beth and waxingmoon, I have followed them for months on this site and had no Idea these two ladies had so much hate built up inside.

Kim

MEOW! This is quite the catfight between Mangz, Beth, and waxingmoon...although waxingmoon was alot more civil.

Beth, please don't let Mangz get to you. She obviously is just going to keep posting things about your breasts being fake. You know they're natural, so don't fall for the taunts no matter how angry they may make you. If I were you, I'd just take it as a compliment because they look so good that some people think they're implants. IDC what the doubters say...many congrats on your success.

And Lilly, I totally agree...can't we all just get along??

I don't know if Beth has real ones or not, they look like they could be fake, but they are in a push up bra and those can have interesting effects on breasts. I personally believe her because I've seen her on here repeatedly in the months that I've been doing NBE and prior to that when I was just exploring and she seems educated and helpful. Worst case scenario....she does have implants but puts all the credit on NBE bolstering hope in other women that they too can grow their boobs naturally. oh what a travesty. (sarcasm in case you didn't notice.) But the main reason i'm inclined to believe her beyond that is that I have seen more than once women who wear certain bras and look like they have fake boobs. It's not an uncommon reaction, what with all the padding and the pushing up. lol

One great example...Paris Hilton. I'm sure anyone who has seen her knows that she is pretty much chestless, or at least small chested. But every so often she shows up with some kind of an amazing bra and her boobs look ginormous and have that round mounded look at the top similar to breast implants, but the next day her boobs are back to normal. It's all the bra.

I have a similar reaction in certain push up bras. I'm a somewhat full B so my response is nowhere near as extreme as Beth's since my boobs are nowhere near the size of hers, but certain push up bras I have, especially if it's a wee bit too small, tend to really, really push them up until mine can look fake too. I have somewhat loose skinned breasts (not so lovely out of the bra, but works great with a push-up) and so they can defy gravity in the right bra. It just takes the right shape and enough padding and my boobs go from a somewhat full B to very moundy looking "c" cups. lol. Some guys i know hate push up bra because they are false advertisement. haha.

But whether her boobs are real or not doesn't matter. If she's happy and she led other women to grow their boobs naturally and not with surgery than what is the big deal? Seriously? She's doing a good thing here and mangz, attacking people....never the way to go. People just don't respond well to that. Especially when you attack a well-known and well-respected member of a very close knit board.

I got all these from wwtdd.com. my favorite celebrity gossip site. Just to prove how much a chest can change with bras using Paris Hilton as an example

Here's a picture from october 2007 and she's largish:
http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3067

Here's November 2007 and she's small (and has lipstick on her teeth, irrelevant, but a great reminder to always check before going in front of cameras while wearing red lipstick):
http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3128

December 2007, even smaller:
http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3247

February 2008...oh boy. lol.:
http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3546

And think, she's clearly a small A cup without the bra. If you can do that with an A, imagine what you can do with a D...

Dear Beth,
that was the most inconsiderate post I have seen on this forum by a respected member. I think you should keep your thoughts to yourself, some of us have family members or know people with implants.

Tasteless to say the least!

Sorry, if i offended anyone, but i am just tired of hearing the same ol' thing over and over again. Moreover, i believe i have been very nice to people who have said this several times before, and perhaps that is what gave mangz the reason to think she can throw ridiculous accusations at me and i will act all nice and ignore her. I am also in a really bad mood today, not that that excuses my behavior. I dont believe that any of us are bad people,no, I just simply believe that we disagree with a lot of things. Several people have voiced their opinion that they think my breasts are fake and i have tried to ignore it or at least state that they are not. However, mangz approach was really rude and sometimes the best way to treat a person who doesnt know you and makes false claim about you with such assurance, its to get really nasty with them as well.
There are several people who are bullys in life and think they can walk all over people with their opinion, its extremely irritating when they bring that kind of attitude online as well.
I will ignore her and stop posting on this forum, at least for a while, am satisfied with my breast so far, and they are so full, that i kinda think they are making me look fat when i wear a push up bra, lol. Am not really complaining though, :)
I believe if you think my boobs are fake, then voice it out, but done attack me, simply because only i know my personal struggle with this NBE process, i might come in here sounding all hopeful and enthusiastic, encouraging everyone that NBE is possible and we all should not turn to implants, but the thing is that this NBE thing is kinda hard. Its hard when you are with your boyfriend and his family, but you have to sneak into the bathroom for thirty minutes before you go to bed because you want to massage and use a heating pad. Please dont get me started on the smell of fenugreek either, i think am so used it these days anyway, and then trying to fight the food cravings so i do not put on weight, it is hard, but am not asking for anyone's pity because i chose this. I just want people who are finding this process hard to know that it is almost the same thing with everyone. I have tried to explain several times, that breast implants would have been way easier, i have spent more on NBE than breast implants, if they had a frequent buyer program for herbs, i assure you i would be flying back and forth to london with my some sort of frequent flyer miles.
The truth is that i really do hate implants, i have researched implants, but they look disgusting to me, just that simple, i have friends that have implants and i have felt them, but i really just cant come around to it, which is really weird because i am a very open minded person. I think a part of me wishes that i was able to see implants as beautiful and put them in before i started this process, but i just cant. To people who have family members with implants, there is no need to take this personal, because this is just my opinion, and when i called Mangz out with her implants, i believe she deserved that, there is no need for anyone to associate themselves, or at least associate their family members with Mangz, she is obviously a bitter person and i am not sorry for anything i said to her, however, as is stated earlier, am sorry if i offended anyone else.
I want to say hi to sunshine, girl i hope your growth is coming along well.

Kim,

I doubt waxingmoon has any hate in her, she is so supportive in this forum and i have learned so much from her, do not let this little thing that mangz has started change your opinion of her. For me, if you think am full of hate, then very well, I wish you the best.

Happy booby growing!

I also have decided to delete the pics since they seem to be the reason for this necessary controversy. All i can say is that NBE is possible, but it requires work, give it a try and be patient before you resort to implants or any other drastic procedure.

Happy booby growing to everyone.

Beth, I am hoping you are still out there. Congrats on your growth!

If you have time to answer a question, I would greatly appreciate it. What kind of massage did you do? For how many minutes a day? Do you believe that heat was an important element?

Thanks so much!

Lisa

Well, that is sad...waxingmoon and Beth are accused of being hateful??!!!
Come on people, both of them were clearly provoked and intentionally insulted.
It seems to me that some posters find it quite amusing to say something
with an aggressive tone and then expect others to reply in a civilized manner.
If that's not hypocritical, then what is?
Go ahead shell, you can laugh out loud with your achievement! Well done girl!
You made your point, you think her breasts are fake...blah blah blah...
Why do you keep on saying the same thing as if this was something personal?
Jeez, could you be more boring?...zzzzz...

This shell/mangas person was on the PM forum too, insulting and insinuating there also. This person is obviously severely bored and pissed she can't get her boobs to grow. Or had a really terrible boob job herself. Either way, if she dosen't believe NBE works when it certainly has in this case, Congrats Beth, why is she here and other people like her. We all want NBE to be true and when it is and we see what hard work with herbs can do then we have a skeptic. Pay no mind to her Beth, its clear she has issues. I think you look great.

Sorry, but what these two women said about breast implants is pathetic no matter what the other poster said. This is not highschool and I am seeing people I used to have respect for on this forum reply to this poster like a bunch of nasty teenagers.

For someone to say "soon you would have to get those ugly bags you call boobs replaced" is just classless and vicious considering there are many women out there who have suffered through breast cancer and rely on these so called "ugly bags" to feel like a women again.

Wow, I step out to grab a cup of tea and missed the whole damned thing !!! You know what....Beth, honey, there are going to be those women ,and men, out there who will disbelieve that you grew them puppies all on your own. If I were you, I would not EVEN play into their little reindeer games because because I happen to think your boobies are awesome. And I , too , am jealous that I don't have those puppies sitting on my chest, BUT I can assure you I won't be getting cut open to achieve instant gratifacation.......yet I have not fully committed myself to NBE as I once was, I am still a c cupper who was a b cupper and I have maintained my c cup. SO, I know first hand that NBE works....if you commit yourself to it. DON'T YOU DARE take down your pics. That has been the inspiration to many a woman here . Don't let 1 or 2 people steal your thunder , baby !! YOU ROCK!!!!!
Love Carol Ann

Dont you girls think that some people that have never posted here before come now with some strange names and post in defense to Shelly or whatever is her name?

Let you be the judge!

Beth, you look fabulous, stunning, you rock. You really were and are an inspiration to a lot of us.
Just ignore malicious posts like that one. Take care!

Peace
Kessy

You know, this will be my last post on this subject because this internet troll (as in the wikipedia definition I posted above -ie someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion) thrives on the attention she has created with this fiasco.

It is always interesting to me to see this kind of scenario play out. It is also no surprise to me that several people find the response of those who had their buttons pushed to be worse than the attacker.

Beth has already apologized for her unfortunate outburst - as I was sure she would. She certainly was provoked relentlessly and for no good reason. It is too bad this person got to her and too bad Beth let her temper flare. The attacker produced exactly the response she was looking for.

I understand why Beth took her pictures down and I support her in this. There is no reason for her to expose herself to this kind of maliciousness. Beth did not benefit from showing her pictures. We did.

Now, if you think I have hate built up inside... well you are misled. There is nothing that I posted that was hateful. I certainly was direct and to the point about what I felt was the motivation of this attacker.

I also did not disparage breast implants. I merely spoke about the obvious pain and suffering this woman had gone through and was going through due to the choices she had made - choices that include her breast implants as well as her choice to attack Beth. No one who is at peace with themselves will post so relentlessly towards someone they have never met. Yes, I did hold up a mirror to her and I think I was probably very close to the truth in what I said. I meant what I said about wishing her peace. I meant what I said about having sympathy towards her.

Again, just for the record - I think each person has a right to do what they want with their body. If a woman chooses to have breast implants it is her right to do so. I would heartily try to dissuade her if she asked my opinion because of all the pain and suffering such a choice can cause a woman. I feel the same way about all cosmetic surgery. I have met many women who have had breast implants. By and large they are not happy with them. I have worked with many women who have had breast implants and reconstructive surgery after breast cancer. Most of these women I have met have had tremendous physical problems with this. I also know of a few women who had breasts cancer and total removal of both breasts. They did not choose to have reconstrucion. The both look beautiful to me and I have told them so.

I truly feel that each of us is perfect just as we are. Sure we may want to enhance ourselves and NBE and diet and exercise are very good ways to do this. Education, reading, pursuit of skills and abilities are also great ways to enhance ourselves. Cosmetic surgery of any type does not produce the results that the pursuit of natural enhancement brings. I have sympathy for those who are driven by our society, by their own inner feelings of lack to resort to artificial means. They have been sold a bill of goods that is probably not worth all the money and pain it causes them. But it is their right to make this choice and that is what I always say to them.

If you think I am hateful, okay. If you think I am harsh, okay. If you disagree with what I have said, okay. There is not a word of it I feel necessary to apologize for. There is not a word of it I don't truly believe.

I wish you all peace.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

None of the links work?

I thought they looked totally fake to be honest, guess I will get ripped now for saying that.

Awww Beth, reading your post made me sad :( I'm disappointed to see you go, but I can understand where you're coming from. I think you've gotten way more flak than most of us can handle, and you handled it well. Thanks for being such an inspiration. I really sympathize with you, as I can see how disheartening it could be when all your hard work and diligence gets undermined. It takes a lot courage to put up pictures in the first place, and I'm grateful that you had them up for as long as you did. Congratulations on your success, you look great! Please come back and visit us sometime - don't be a stranger!
And yes! I do feel like I'm growing. I've taken a lot from yours and Eve's program - Thanks :D) - I've been splitting my pills by my cycle and since I've added borage to the last half with Vitex, despite the interaction warning, I feel like it's definitely doing something. Borage was helpful for you too, right?
I hope your big test goes/went well! Take care xo

Waxingmoon,
You are known around here for something big, but most of us will tell you it's not your new butt. It's your heart! Thanks for introducing me to Maca - I only took it for a month as well and got a nice increase to my surprise and it lasted for about a month after I stopped maca, but it has been decreasing back down to near its original size since then.

Ok, so I really think this is getting out of hand. I personally think that everyone should just drop it. Whether or not you think they are fake or real, keep your opinion to yourself. I know I wouldnt appreciate people discussing whether or not my boobs looked fake? Honesltly, I would be upset if people who hadnt even met me were debating if I had a boob job. It is disrespectful. She hasn't tried to sell us anything on the pretense that our boobs would grow so I don't think anyone should accuse anyone of anything.
Obviously a lot of things have been said that have been hurtful. I think it's time that we drop this debate and start worrying about our own boobs hehe. That's most likely why people are on this forum right! Not to judge anyone just to learn.

Lots of people have asked if you could create your personal program together with your picture like others, but sadly you have ignored all those requests. That is why people are doubtful about your real boobs! Hard to say! Most of us will look at the picture as the initial encouragement then we will go to the personal program! In your case, your pix is hard to judge since you have your bra on, but your words are counted.

It's just unbelievable to ammount of abuse Beth had to endure in this topic. Discussing whether or not her breasts are real or fake is insulting. And plase, don't talk as if she owes you or anyone to put her program page together, when she told that her routine has been overwhelmingly complicated and she's busy studying. That's just so egocentrical it's downright ignorant.

That's what Beth gets for having a good intention by offering people encoragement and help? It's true that when someone offers a hand, people tend to tear off their arm. So I'll make sth clear - anyone who continues posting such insulting things will have to do so in plain knowledge that they're being an insensitive, oportunistic, abusive hypocrite and selfish to the point of stupidity.

I cannot believe there are still some blind sheep that think those high implants are real home grown boobs, desperate people will believe anything.

I had a feeling they were fake, but since im kinda new to the interenet I did not realize the motives behind some things that are posted.

I just thought that this piece of information about the poster known as mangz, shelly, sunflower, mynewpuppy, figgy1, darksetter, yourkidding, kimla and chikichiki should be posted here as well as in the post Eve made:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/thread/1229036549/last-1229039079/Attn.+mangz%2C+aka+shelly%2C+sunflower%2C+mynewpuppy+etc

It really explains a lot.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

Paris Hilton has had a boob job for sure...
http://imod.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/paris_hilton_boobs_topless_hawaii1.jpg

cant get you this

http://www.adrants.com/images/paris-hilton_191861g.jpg

--->http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tu1uMP74y_c/Rr2Yu03aVkI/AAAAAAAAADs/3vnn8lllpY4/s320/paris-hilton-boob-job.jpg

or are these Pics after Feb 08..? o.O

am trying to read all these forums, am new here, and very confused as to where to begin...I am a 36A cup, trying to become a C or small D would be great...where do I begin?

Awww Paris Hilton is about my size lol! I doubt she had a boobjob, I think she just stuff A LOT.

Beth, I am new to NBE, but I wanted you to know that after reading your story, you are an inspiration to many of us!!! I have not started my program yet, I am scheduled to receive my herbs today in the mail, and I am going to start February 1st, and I am excited!! I realize it takes time, it took you quite a while, but you stuck with it and you achieved results. I hope I am the same way:) Ignore what people are saying, who cares, you have boobs now and they're jealous! I do have to say I really wish you hadn't taken your pictures down because you put them up to be an inspiration for many to keep going and not give up. I wish I would've been able to see them for myself!

Hello everyone..umm...Miss Beth, I wanted to view your before and after pictures, but your flikr account is closed so I can't see your progress...

Also, you don't seem to have a progress page on the NBE main page :\

Hi
Just wondering what Beth is doing now lol. I started my program on the end of March I have def noticed some progress. I take the same herbs with EPO. I also take Maca.

sorry but im so confused whats all the abbreviations like NBE i was assuming it natural breast enhancers but isn't breast success a breast enhancer too ? i might be wrong and whats EPO? sorry im kinda new =/

hi beth,
just wondering since you buy individual herbs , do you take all of them at once?

Linda:

ohmygod....
People will read your question and be like......"wtf....i can't answer THAT question in ONE post!"

It's like summarizing world history.
That's how much info you need to learn to make your boobs bigger. Yes that's right, this world is finally fair for heaven's sake. Big boobs are now rewards for smart chicks who work hard to get them.

I am feeling philanthropic today so I'll tell you this much:
NBE stands for Natural Breast Enhancement. It means making your boobs bigger by natural methods. Such as through food and taking herbs. As for herbs, spend some time reading about herbs before you ask questions. There is no straight answer. Everybody does different things.

And--If you are new, go to the main index and read the forum for newbies. You'll find lots of info there. LOTS. I spent literally HOURS and HOURS reading the forum the first day I got here. It'll help.

But HEY at least you registered!! Good for you. Welcome.

Hi Beth,

I tried viewing your before and after pics on NBE but the flikr site says your not a memeber anymore. Could you provide them? I looked for you in the pictures section but didn't see you.
Thank you.

Hi I'm having trouble seeing the pics too, have they been removed?
thanks :)

haha yeah i've just recently realized that there are different methods sandra. but the question is do all the ladies actually consume all the seperate individual herbs all at once? thats the only thing that concerned me which is taking that amount of dosages like some girls would reccommend like 1100 mg of whatever herbs for example FG and another of 1200mg of something else all together 2x daily. so i was just wondering if i was reading everything correct. just a concern thats all , i also didn't realize that there was a "newbie" section in the first place until like last week. but thanks anyways.

Hi guys,
its been a while, wow, a really long while, i stopped Nbe, however i plan to start again, so i will be here more often, Yes i did take down the pics cos a lot of people kept saying my boobs were fake, i have pics tht are even more unbelievable this time so i dont even know if i should post them up. Will post more often girls, happy booby growing.

Beth, the people who gave you a hard time about your pictures have their own issues, that they project onto you. It has NOTHING to do with you! I'm sure you know that already, but don't let their projection's stop you from doing whatever you want to share with and inspire the rest of us.... ; ) Only if YOU want to, of course! Welcome back and just ignore it if you get nasty replies - just talk to the ones that treat you with respect and forget the rest!

Hey Beth, good to see you back, I for one would love to see your pictures.

Maybe your pictures would be less exposed to judgement by envious and deluded people if you posted them on the forum's picture page, where they would be together with others? Some of them also show great growth, almost as much as yours.

Welcome back Beth!

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

Beth,

Nice to you back on here. You are the reason I thought NBE is really possible. I would love to see updated pictures. You have put together a great program that worked for you and inspired and helped many people that you do not know, and for no cost.

Thanks for your help and inspiration.

I wasnt posting on here while you were, but I find your growth inspiring and I think the girls who picked on you were just jealous because he/she sounded like they either: had a botched boob job, or didnt want to do all the work you did to achieve your amazing results. Im happy to see you back and look forward to hearing more from ya :)

Hi

I also believe yours are real and if anyone else believes they are fake or wish to post that they are fake I don't care.
I am sure if Beth accidentally dropped her whole regimen of what she took while on NBE and dropped it on fertile soil. There would be two huge round breasts growing out of the ground somewhere.

I also admire how she matter of factly stated she is going to be a 36D or whatever size she indicated as she progressed to her 44inches. I also believe that was part of her secret weapon knowing or unknowingly her mind, body, & spirit were all determined at the same time to grow. Also in finding out what worked and didn't work for her.

Take Care Everyone
delicate41

Hey guys ... congrats to Beth and all who is having success! Now I understand you need to be dedicated and patient ... but I really need some support... patience I have, but not so much time to dedicate. I work almost 15 hours a day and then have my kids to take care of after work aswell. I was on Ainterol PM for the past 7 months but did not see any results -it's so depressing. Beth's program looked like it combined a lot of nitty gritty compilations of weighing and measuring etc, if you get what i mean, i'm not sure if that made any sense. Can anyone advise? Thank you

I'm glad your coming back. I'm really learning a lot from your posts Beth. Your regimen is intense! I don't want to try everything all at once, but I am taking notes.
I'm a little skeptical about IGF1 (HGH). I know it might be good for fast growth, but I'll try to raise my HGH levels naturally, if possible.

Do you think Peuraria mirifica is essential?

I know I'm gonna get the fenugreek, hops, fennel, and wild yam, but I'm not sure if I should buy the PM yet.