Ok, well after using this forum fo the last 2 weeks and reading as much as possible. I can genuinely say ive learnt loads of positives and tips but im now extremely confused and unsure.

After learning my body oestrogen dominance it has answered maybe years of questions and that is great.

So I have given up the fennel drink and this is where my confusion begins! All the foods I seems to look up and assume are ok for people with high oestrogen I find another posting which sais the opposite.

I have been losing weight recently am on a low fat diet and Ive done really well over a year. But I also understand I need fat to get bigger boobs!

I am avoiding fennel, and such like herbs and soya milk etc. I know Wild yam CAN NOT create progesterone. But I decided to ad dit in to my diet anyway. But after what im reading again, although natural progesterone can be created from it in a lab. Wild yam also is oestrogen food!?! Im confused.

Soooo ANYHOOO.. After nightly massage there was a definite growth as I said in my other posts. My loose tv bra is now snug fit and creates cleavage :) But then yesterday my boobs were aching! like I had water retention just before my period. Im actually still hurting now but (nice and plumped) Now Im not due on for another 2 weeks. I do retain allot of water in my boobs early but not often is it this early.

So Is it massage?? Im not sure! Is it an over dose in rubbing fennel and oil, drinking it. I have no Clue.

So heres fo rthe negatives (sorry)
Ive been looking at all the updated pics to get some inspiration. If you were successful you are very lucky and that is brilliant but for some reason there are 2 pics. Eve and tiger lily's pictures. (and another lady but I cant remeber who it was)Im sure you may have got growth BUT I dont believe the pics. (I am sorry to say this as I dont want to be horrible in any sense or rude.)
I Just dont think the before and after pictures are the same people. Infact im definatly sure there not genuine. The picture quality in a before shot looks the opposite to the after shot and the same on the other picture also.
I may wrong and if so I truly apologise. But I bet my bottom choc chip cookie teh pics are fake.

So becoase of disheartment and confusion I give up on the foods, herbs etc. drinks cocoa butter.. (oh and the 7%percent wild yam, made my boobs burn!! i guess iw as alergic!!??)

So I looked up the massages on the net and forums kept bring up get fuller boobs in 30days! So just a test, starting today or tonight should I say (despite my painful boobs) I am going to do my own challenge. I dont expect a full cup or huge results but hopefully I will see a difference of some sort.

I hope it works :)

Also what supplements or NBE foods are completly ok for people with oestrogen dominance???

Im also confused about bra measuring, For a as Long as I can remember Ive warn a 34B not busting out, not filling it completely. I tried an A which hurt. But a B sometimes hurts me also as my left breast is slightly bigger and My boobs grow around period times. So last night I measured despite being plumper and I was an AA??!! My boobs definitely dont look like an A. So I tried again half hour later and it came back I was a C. Last week I brought a 36C bra from primark that fit nicely but a little loose and I def dont fill it up..But the wire fitted around nicely.

So im officially rubbish at measuring and will go to a store. But Just for stat Reasons.
I wear a 34B
I am 25,
5'8
10 and a half stone
Ostrogen dominance
Suffer with bad PMS (I become a recluse if i can during my 7 days)
I Am a pear shape
I have a low fat high protein diet and take 1 multi vitamin, a calcium magnesium in the morning and a biotin also.
I eat fruit, meat, yoghurt, veg, walk often.

I dont smoke and I dont drink much alcohol.
So let the challenge begin :)))))))

Please feel free to comment

Hi Kaze,
I can understand your confusion because NBE is far from simple, especially for women with estrogen dominance.

The good news is that you are responding to the massage and if you wanted to stay just with massage, you could probably reach your goals that way.

As far as the pictures, you are not the first to inquire about their validity and you will not be the last... humans are suspicious by nature. I ask you this. What could these women hope to gain from perpetuating a hoax? Are they trying to sell you something? Did you pay something to become a part of this forum? The answer to both is no. When there is nothing to be gained from an elaborate hoax people will not go to such length to create one.

It has been said before. Some people have professional photographers in their lives. This allows them a quality of photo that our lesser cameras and phone cameras cannot create. Just because a photo looks professional does not make it fake.

If you are using the pictures to inspire yourself, then you are using them for the purpose they are intended. If you are seeking to prove to yourself that NBE cannot work and the pictures are fake, especially the ones that show amazing growth then you will probably convince yourself of this. We see what we want to see and we believe what we want to believe.

I for one am very glad that these women have chosen to share their photos with us. They are showing great courage in this and we are in debt to them.

Give it a few weeks or months Kaze and as you note your own progress you will probably be less suspicious of the photos. NBE can produce amazing results.

waxingmoon

Hi Waxingmoon.

Yes, very true these ladies are extremly brave to post there pics.

I guess I was disapointed and being a bit eager and over analyzing breast growth ..

BUT today and yesterday I am very excited but also eating my words!!

The pain has gone and size remained!! I measured my self and it was 37 around the bust. I am 100 percent sure they are fuller, and my ultra comfy loose bra I put on to relax in is now tight!and full. I have no clue how this can be. I have no water retention. I thought it was all swelling from massage but now The pain and swelling has gone my boobs are still teh same size.

All I have been doing is massage, I cut out drinking fennel and also using it as a massage aid.

Yesterday I brought my angus cactus to help with all the trouble i get for my pms. It is proobaly not related but after taking it yesterday I ended up with a migrane (havnt had one for a long time) But it might just be stress build up too much time on the pc, and too much worrying)

Today I still have a bad headache but had to pull myself out of bed to write "IVE GROWN!!!! THANKYOU!!!" lol I cant help but check everytime I use the bathroom to make sure there not deflating. lol.
I still took my Vitex this morning but just out of curiosity I wont use it over the weeknd and try again when I have no signs of a headache and see what happens. It was more for my PMS mood swings, etc but if it helps with NBE all the better. I will also add ina few weeks some collagen, Ive heard its great for hair and skin also.

But now is the tes, will my boobs remain plump and full or will there be more growth. The 30day cahllenge continues :) If i see any more progress I will write as I was becoming a non believer and Ive been proven wrong :)

Sorry about my spelling guys.. head is killing me

waxingmoon,

good point there. my judgement regarding the before and after pics weren't overshadowed by suspicion of an elaborate hoax but it does make you think. i've done quite alot of research myself and people like tigerlily, chellechoi and justjb (among many others) have been on MANY other NBE forums across the web educating boobie hopefuls regarding their methods. Plus, if you really take a close look at their program pages it's very elaborate with loads of details plus they answer many inquiries. So, I don't think they're fake. Their success stories haven't been earned overnight either, they're programs have been well researched and took an extensive amount of time to achieve. In addition, you can almost tell they are "actual" people with "real" results because like waxing moon said, they really have nothing to gain anyway.