i know that greenbush has been mentioned in this forum but didn't pay close attention...did anyone really have success with greenbush? did it last? did you use the whole systme or just parts of it? I was thinking that i could do the herbs on my own but buy the extract for massage...input from anyone would be greatly appreciated.....

ok never mind, i dug a little deeper and found a few who used it but it didn't last...sorry i should have dug deeper before i asked!

have happy boobies everyone!

I had used greenbush or about three months. It seems to be water retention to me. After I had stopped using it, all the fullness went down. They also told me to increase my dose if I was not seeing fast enough results. This estrogen overload caused me to have headaches, brain fogginess, acne, and worst of all moosiness. Now that I am not taking these herbs I feel much, much better. I would advise anyone who is thinking of taking these herbs to first do a hormonal imbalance test and see if they are lacking in what greenbush herbs can provide.Otherwise, you are headed for trouble. I was lead to believe that more phytoestrogens leads to bigger breasts, which is not always the case. This is why greenbush may work for some but not for others. I really liked the customer service, Joel was always great.

You should have dug a lot deeper. I know women who have grown several cup sizes permanently with Greenbush. Greenbush has the best track record that I am aware of, but the herbs have to be taken in a way that works. Some women buy things from Greenbush, use them incorrectly, and then claim that herbal BE, or Greenbush, does not work.

Digging deeper when you are estrogen dominant is still not going to help. I was not implying that Greenbush does not work. I was simply saying that it is not for everyone and that is a fact. I am sure SOME women have grown with Greenbush but one thing will not work for all women, whether you are using it correctly or not. Everyone does not have the same, therefore everything will not work for everyone. I am pretty sure most people realize that if they do their research. Just because Greenbush was incompatible with the hormonal imbalace that I had, it did not work for ME. You can't tell people that some women have increased therefore all women WILL increase. Also, I was NOT using Greenbush products incorrectly as I was following the instructions Greenbush had given to me. Bovine Ovary might work for some and not for others. I cannot say to someone who it has not worked for that they are using it incorrectly. All I can say is to try something that does work. NBE is NOT a one size fits all and anyone who thinks that is sadly mistaken and will learn otherwise by reading the posts on this forum. One person may have success with Progesterone cream (Waxingmoon), Vitex (Classyfashh), Herbs (Eve), BO (Emmie), ETC. Clearly every one has different bodies and clearly different things work for different people. That is the whole point of this forum. The lucky ones find what works for them and know when something is not working for them. I did not say that Greenbush does not work, I said " GREENBUSH DID NOT WORK FOR ME".

Again, I would advise those who are going to try Greenbush to first take a hormonal imbalance test to see if Greenbush herbs have what you are lacking. If you do not lack what greenbush provides then it would NOT be beneficial to you to take these kinds of herbs.

Whew!

Hi DoubleD,

Good point and well spoken.

In Wahaika's defense I think he was answering Laisegirl. You had not logged in when you made your first post and that always delays the post on this forum. Once Eve loaded your post it came up, but this was after Wahaika had already given his response. (and your response will be before his because that is when you made it, but not when it actually appeared on the forum).

To view the thread now with your post inserted it seems that Wahaika is either ignoring you or trying to refute your reasoning with the 'dig deeper' comment. Not so. He never saw your post before he made his comment.

This kind of thing happens frequently on this forum. I think it is wise that Eve has a way of controlling posts from those who do not log in, but it sort of creates a potential for this kind of confusion.

This kind of thing is why I almost always title my responses with the name of who I am talking to. That way even if some post gets placed later in line before my response, the reader will know who I was talking to.

But as I said DoubleD, you had an excellent suggestion and I am sure if Wahaika had seen it he would have thought so as well.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

DD,

Yep, exactly as waxing moon described. (Thank you WaxingMoon!) I was wondering how that happened when I knew that my post was the only response at that time.

I am a big proponent of women doing their own research and taking control of their own programs. Those that do this ALLWAYS do better than those who do not. Of those that grew well, I am not aware of a single instance where they did not do their own research and rely on their own findings.

Your other points are well taken ( and preaching to the choir in my case, because this is exactly what the ramping theory is based upon ) but if there is any expectation that one must be "balanced", or that NBE is a process where one fills in the gaps to become balanced and then breasts start growing, beware. The same "everyone is different" logic applies. My own opinion is that growing breasts during puberty was probably not a time of feeling balanced.

Wahaika
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Also, I was originally rebutting a point that appeared to be saying that Greenbush had a poor track record. While every woman is different, and other successes have been shown, to say that they all have as good a track record as Greenbush (i.e. greenbush type programs with individual herbs) is simply untrue. While we can point to a few women who grew using progesterone cream, vitex, PM, BO, or anything else, you could probably add all those up and they combined would still would not equal the success of those using derivatives of Greenbush routines, especially using Greenbush herbs.

The same "everyone is different" logic still applies, and is successful. I don't want to minimize that. But to say "ok never mind, i dug a little deeper and found a few who used it but it didn't last...sorry i should have dug deeper before i asked!" indicates to me that the research was lacking.

when i asked my original question, i only meant it as some input because there is stuff out that is junk that claims great success. I do understand that not all NBE works for all and eveyone needs to find their own formula. I am new to NBE and just tryin to get info from those of you that have been around for awhile and are more knowledgable than i am. i have learned so much in only a few weeks from you all it's amazing! This has almost become an addiction! i will keep reading and i as learn to use this site better i will dig deeper from now on before i ask. I am sorry that it got some feathers flyin'!

hope all is well with everyone!
laisegirl