Hi everyone, hope you are all well, i dont know whats happening really but since i started back on my NBE program after a 2 week break i seem to be going through a massive growth spurt and im starting to get quite large very fast, but the problem is they seem to be sagging and im getting terrible stretch marks, i dont know why this is happening but is there anything i can use to perk them up and stop them sagging. I am getting a litle worried. Thanks everyone and good luck. xxx

You could try wearing a sports bra to sleep and a good bra throughout the day. Whats your program?

Hi, thanks for your reply, im taking saw palmetto and im using Bountiful breast tablets i also use a noogleberry, ive been doing NBE for 5 months now and i now fit into a c cup bra, which is more than i ever dreamed off to be honest, as i am a man but i always assume everyone on here knows that now so i dont put it in all my posts. But like i said im having a massive growth spurt and i dont know whats caused it but they are growing so fast they just feel abit empty and they are sagging and my stretch marks are becoming really bad. xxx

Cheryl... just wondering if you've thought of putting your pics up?

Hope you're feeling better now - you're doing great.

Hi Madboobie, hope you are doing well, and yes i have thought about putting them up, i just worry ill offend someone i did send some photos to people on here who requested them by email. I think s people will be a little shocked when they see them to be honest, but if it encourages people to try NBE then i will happily put them on. xxx

Hi Cheryl,

Stretch marks happen to some. For you it is because you have had amazingly fast growth in too short of a time period. Young girls who grow quickly often end up with stretch marks and so do women who get pregnant. The skin just can't keep up with the growth.

The same can be said regarding the sagging. The same reason you get stretch marks can be allowing the breasts to sag. This pulls the entire breast downward and makes the upper pole seem empty. It also contributes to the stretch marks.

A good bra can help but it won't stop the sag - it will just mask it. One of the best ways to treat the sagginess is to do chest muscle exercises. Push ups, bench press and other exercises that stimulate the pectoral muscles will uplift your breasts.

A push up at the wall or on the floor with knees bent will work just fine. Try for about 20 repetitions daily or do 3 sets of 20 every other day. Don't worry that this will give you a 'manly' chest. You are lucky in that a little bit of work will go a long way. Men have more muscle fibers than women and you will likely notice quite a difference in a week or two with minimal work. This kind of work will enhance your cleavage and uplift the breasts. Think of it as providing a platform for all that breast tissue.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

Thanks Waxingmoon, yeah exercises like that sound really good my friend Roxanne said to try them, as for bras im really struggling at the moment as my boobs keep getting larger or changing shape at a fast rate and i keep changing sizes alot and i cant afford to keep buying bras they are so expensive, i really think they should be cheaper as they are essential, i cannot go without one now lol. Is there any products for stretch marks as im getting bad ones on my bum and my hips and the side of my tummy and my boobs, im on the increase again in them areas, well actually all over im becoming a blimp, im not gaining weight anymore ive actually lost 4 pounds, but im getting fatter, im not sure how that works, its very strange, but im a little upset about my shape to be honest, i never expected to get a large lower half, but its happened now. This may sound a stupid question but is there any way i can slow my breast development down but without stopping it, its getting a little bit too much too soon sort of thing. Thanks everyone for any advice you have an thanks Waxingmoon for all your help. Good luck everyone. xxx

Hey folks,

I worry just a little bit that if men are allowed to post pics of their results right along side of women, others who come on later or who are not aware of someone named "Cheryl1989" now being referred to as "Cheryl", especially since we also have a real Cheryl on the board, might confuse the results of gynocomastia with NBE for women.

I am also concerned about attracting even more cross dressers to a board meant for women. The male board was created to keep males there, not here. Or am I wrong in this? Eve? I have seen this happen on other boards and it resulted in the end of those boards that allowed it to continue unquestioned.

For me, this is not a matter of being open minded. It is a matter of past observation. My intention is not to offend, but to inform. I favor keeping things in their place. Take it for what it is worth.

Wahaika

Hi wahaika, im sorry but have i done something to you, you seem to have a little grudge here against me. If everything should be in its place then why have you posted on my post, as i was asking for help and advice. If i offend you then i am sorry and the same goes to everyone on here. But for your infomation im not a crossdresser and i havent got manboobs, i have breasts. I always consider other people on this forum and i will not post my pictures because of this kind of thing happening. I respect everyone on here and i help where i can, and i always state in my posts that i am male, somewhere along the line so people can judge if they want to talk to me or not. I have posted on the male forum but with little response and i have had alot of support from the main forum. If Eve wishs that i dont post on here anymore then so be it, i will not. But i do take offence to what you say even though you may not mean to offend as you state. So could you please stay of my posts unless you have something constructive to say.

We have had in the past a male who posted his pics and also men who posted on this part of the forum. It has never become an issue and since there is a part of the forum specifically designated for males it would be easy for Eve to corral anything before it became out of hand.

Cheryl's issue is somewhat different than the typical poster I have read on the male part of the forum. He seems very comfortable here and has explained time and again who he is and what he is trying to do. He is quick to point out that he is male and also very polite when he contributes in any way.

Wahaika, you are the first person to 'complain' about Cheryl. Everyone else has been welcoming and don't seem to have a problem. Now that you have brought it up I guess we will see if anyone else has a problem with him here.

As I said before I don't completely understand Cheryl's need to have boobs, but he has presented himself well and it is easy to accept him as he is... just a guy who decided to grow is breasts. He has paid a considerable cost in his public and private life for this and we all pitched in to help him weather that storm.

You, Wahaika, as a male have been welcomed into this forum wholeheartedly. Your name does not implicitly state that you are a man. People figure it out and they deal with it. You are also a guy who is interested in growing breasts - you just prefer those breasts are grown on a woman - not yourself. I understand from previous posts you have made you have... I don't know... we will call it reservations regarding Cheryl. I read a post you edited and - Hey - you are entitled to your views - you are polite and you are helpful. I know you have witnessed a forum go into a problem when the original intent of the forum changed. That is very unlikely to happen on Eve's forum. After all - we consistently police ourselves as well as have all out battles with one another. No one will take over this forum without a knock down drag out fight.

Wahaika you as a man are welcome here and so is Cheryl. Neither of you are a threat to this forum.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

OK Cheryl1989,

All I did was to post a warning based on past observation. By posting that you are offended, and by attempting to order me around you have offended me. So,
In this thread I am going to treat you like a man. That is still what you are, maybe, but if you can't handle it, let me know and I'll tone it down so I won't hurt your feelings. Fair enough?

Think of it as constructive criticism in hopes that you can recover yourself from your current condition.


In the thread above you stated "But for your infomation im not a crossdresser and i havent got manboobs, i have breasts."

But in an earlier thread you stated the following"

>>"I know i shouldent really be writing this on this forum ..."

>>"i already spend alot of my home life dressed as a female now mainly due to the fact that people treat me better and dont seem so confused at what im doing. I must admit i feel ok with this and i do look better as a woman than i ever did as a man."

>>"...and being treated this way and spending more time dressed as a woman im becoming fine with it, i even like it at times, for the first time in my life im also started to feel attraction to men and this is scary, i dont know why, ..."

>>"I feel the only way to be excepted is to live my life as Cheryl and even though i never wanted this, im now seriously considering it."

>>"I did not hide my breasts when i played, i actually had a womans top on and went as a woman to try to be excepted better, ..."

>>"I think to be honest ive finally given in to trying to be a man with breasts, ... i never wanted to be a woman, but as im living more as a woman i feel excepted better this way and i am going to go more down this route now, ..."

>>"Hi everyone, thanks for your advice and support, i feel alot better today as ive had a good day in the sun. I have been dressed as a woman today but it was comfortable for me and in this weather i must admit womens clothes are more comfortable lol."

( http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/thread/1244810918/last-1245432944/Very+upset%2C+and+dont+know+what+to+do. )


Cheryl1989, it appears to me that you are an admitted cross dresser in denial about cross dressing. If not that, then you are certainly headed down that road. This is a simple observation of what you are posting. How can you reasonably come to a different conclusion?

You appear to be suffering from a few problems, none of which alter the mind so far as to be unable to distinguish right from wrong. So let's start out by helping you see the line of reasoning that enabled you to go down this path.

Everyone has to accept you as you are or they are the ones with a problem, Right? All you are is different which is not good or bad, it's just different. Right? Nobody understands you so they are out of touch, right? If anyone disagrees with you they are giving offence, right?

Shall we apply a simple test to that morally relativistic logic? Let's go to the nearest school and teach young children that there is nothing wrong with being a man who is growing manboobs, but he thinks they are breasts, and starting to become what he thinks is a woman, including being attracted to other men. Shall we teach them that there is nothing wrong with this, that it is just different? If that is true, then shall we encourage them to do the same if they wish, because there is nothing wrong with this, it is just different? How about transvestites who make the same claim? How about gays who make the same claim? Is this morally right or is it morally wrong to teach children this? And please, exercise some imagination in your answer, I am so tired of seeing the victim card played as I have seen almost every time before.

My disapproval is completely natural. My expression of it is a necessary part of moral values, which are also natural. Silence is tacit approval because there is no resistance offered. Would you agree? This is all part of nature. I think that everyone on this board, not that it matters, would agree that my disapproval of situations like yours is natural. Since this is so, it is you who should accept me as I am since you are the one who has departed from nature.

Being male or female is not a choice. It is not a matter of plumbing manipulation or hormone manipulation. You are a man. Accept who you are!

Now, instead of doing the predictable reflex and being offended beyond reason, honestly and truly evaluate what I said. Is anything in this post really offensive, or is it just in opposition to your dysfunctional condition? Are you truly happy now? Do you enjoy what must be great inner conflict? (assuming you are not past this point) Be honest with yourself.

Wahaika

Waxingmoon,

Thank you for your post. But...

>>"Wahaika you as a man are welcome here and so is Cheryl. Neither of you are a threat to this forum."

Please don't put me in the same category as this "guy."

I know that it is the nature of women to nurture rather than to punch in the nose, but sometimes you just have to do it in order to help the guy see his situation.

It is also the nature of women to disapprove of conflict rather than to work it out, usually. But the last thing this guy needs is understanding. Look at what he is going through? Does it sound like he is happy? The opposite of war is not peace, it is slavery. Please consider it.

Wahaika

Waihaika, have you got nothing better to do, than quote from all my posts and say how ive messed my life up, you really are boring me to be honest, i except any criticism and i very rarely get offended, i just dont like you. And i dont care less what your opinion of me is. Like i said just stay of my posts please. And the people on this forum help me alot and offer support, i certainly wouldent call it pity, and im a happy person not that i need to justify myself to you. So just get on with your life and enjoy it as that is what i will be doing. LMAO i have to deal with people like you all the time its abit pathetic really.

I'll post where ever I want to. Deal with it.

This forum is here for a purpose... Natural Breast Enlargement and Enhancement. It is not an exclusive club. As long as those who contribute stick to some basic rules of polite behavior then they are welcome.

Wahaika you contribute a lot, but I think you should let this drop. Your position is quite clear.

If you continue to tag along on Cheryl's threads you are going to be seen as persecuting - not enlightening.

You cannot hammer your point across. You have already asked Cheryl to consider the deeper psychological issues implied by his choices. Ultimately he will choose his own path -and apparently it is going to be a unique one.

Best wishes,
waxingmoon

If Cheryl is already so screwed up and unhappy with his inner conflicts, as you say, then why make things even worse? Show some compassion or leave. His quest for breasts is unnatural? Who are you to determine what's natural and what's not? We could choose to stay the way we were born. One could argue that the various techniques endorsed on this forum are also unnatural, not to mention implants, a solution that many women on this forum have at least considered at some point. And no, it's not women's nature to be nurturing and avoid conflict. This is how women are socialized, thanks to the same backward ideas that you hold. You're extremely narrow-minded and sexist and this is the last time I'll address you.

Hi.
I know cheryl very well and he is certainly not a unhappy person, quite the oppisite.
And as far as him having manboobs goes waihaika, you are far from the mark. I have seen manboobs on tv and on websites and cheryl does not have these.
Ok he is a man and he has boobs lol but cheryl is very feminine and i have to admit to being a little jelous of cheryls boobs and how well they are growing lol.
If you seen cheryl in the street you would think he was a woman even up close as even before he started nbe he was a very girly looking man lol sorry cheryl.
I know cheryl never started all this to become a woman as he has always been a mans man if that makes sense, and he has always been popular with females.
But i support whatever he decides to do, but i do feel that he cannot live as a man now, his boobs are getting large so he will never be able to hide them in the future if he wishes to remain as a man.
And for one i think cheryl should post his pictures on here, as people like you waihaika may be very shocked, and you wouldent be calling them manboobs any longer, actually i might take the pictures myself lol and let cheryl post them as everyone i know is amazed by cheryl and it may not be normal what he has done but who are we to judge whats normal in this world.