***Say, could you have a little talk with Quinn?***

Per that request here goes...
Smoking is responsible for everything from impotence, the national debt to male pattern baldness.
Not only that but in a few years the antismoking groupies will make it illegal to smoke in your own home. I just beat them to the punch.

You're very wrong on the national debt part. If the "Big 3" (Phillip Morris, Brown & Williamson and Lorillard) and all their holdings go belly up because of the anti-smoking Nazis, the Great Depression will look like a picnic compared to the economic devastation we would face.

Tobacco was a major factor in BUILDING this nation. I hate to throw that politically incorrect comment out, but facts is facts, ma'am...

And speaking of the politically correct, here's a question: If I'm a heroin addict, the far left would scream for my rights to get free health care and rehab. And if I don't want to rehab, shit, they'll give me free needles! As a smoker, I too am addicted to a drug. How come these same people aren't screaming for my rights to get all those "quit smoking" products for free? Shouldn't my taxpayer dollars fund these products, just as they fund needle exchange programs?

Last word: IF they make it illegal to smoke in my own home or on my own property, I believe that it would be unconstitutional to do so, under the very same rights to privacy that protect a woman's right to have an abortion. But to the PC groups, it's okay to take away MY right to privacy, and MY right to smoke, but not okay to take away a womans right to take a life. And by the way, I DO agree that a woman has that right.

Hypocrisy unleashed,
Cory

You are not a human being having a spiritual experience, but a spiritual being having a human experience.

Carry on brother!!!
You are preaching to the choir!! (My other post was suppose to be tongue in cheek)
I think it is totally discriminatory the way smokers are treated like second class citizens. My H still smokes and that is fine with me because that is HIS choice.
There have been studies done that prove nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
I live in the MAJOR tobacco state and it is getting completely out of control here.
If you are going to outlaw smoking because of second hand smoke then I think cheap after shave and cheap perfume should be outlawed. They bother me a lot more than cigarette smoke.

"cheap perfume should be outlawed"
Yea!

>>I think cheap after shave and cheap perfume should be outlawed. They bother me a lot more than cigarette smoke.<<

Me too. And can we ban cats too while we're at it? I'm allergic.

Chris.

Cory,

I have NO idea what you guys are talking about, but thought I'd offer my 2 cents (I've always got an opinion about something... )

> If the "Big 3" go belly up because of the anti-smoking Nazis,
> the Great Depression will look like a picnic
> Tobacco was a major factor in BUILDING this nation.

Things change... Tobacco may have been significant in our nation and economy for a long time, but that doesn't mean it will ALWAYS be that way. Look at how farming has decreased in our nation over the years. Look how factory workers were put out of jobs because of robotics and mechanization. On the other hand, look at how computers, the internet, and telecommunications have grown in our nation (and worldwide). Things change... Adapt or die.

> How come these same people aren't screaming for my rights
> to get all those "quit smoking" products for free?

I'm guessing there are many more smokers than there are heroin addicts, so the cost would be significantly greater.

Also, drug addicts frequently commit crimes to support their habit, and their dirty needles spread AIDS and other diseases. So, it's in our best interest to help them kick the habit, or at least minimize the risks to the general population. On the other hand, smoking doesn't usually increase crimes or spread diseases (though it does have public health risks).

> it's okay to take away MY right to privacy, and MY right to smoke

I have no problem with you smoking in private. If you want to light up and destroy your own health, more power to you... However, what I "do" have an issue with, is smoking in public. I choose not to smoke myself, so it's equally MY RIGHT not to have to share your habit.

I don't think smoking should be illegal, just restricted to private use, or to establishments set aside for that purpose. We have "Taverns" or "Pubs" for drinking, so why couldn't they have "Smoke Houses" or something for those who want to smoke. Of course, one shouldn't require the other. For example, some drinkers don't smoke, and some smokers don't drink.

I personally think this nation would be better off legalizing many of the items we currently ban. But, that's just me. We've had a "drug war" for years, and I don't see that it has changed anything. People continue to use drugs, commit crimes to support their habit, smuggle drugs from other countries, etc. despite us spending millions of dollars trying to fight it. You can't stop people from doing drugs, so you might as well regulate it, control the quality, and collect taxes on it.

Same with prostitution. Huge waste of time to try battling the oldest profession. Tax it, regulate it, have the providers tested regularly, etc. You'd have fewer girls on the streets, fewer diseases, etc.

But, again, that's just my opinion...

Anthony

"try battling the oldest profession. Tax it, regulate it, have the providers tested regularly, etc."

Not at all far from the truth Anthony. The oldest profession HAS been highly regulated in this country at least. It's just that you've got the oldest profession wrong.

By the way, it's midwifery.

Somebody had to help birth all those hookers.

Anthony said, "Things change... Tobacco may have been significant in our nation and economy for a long time, but that doesn't mean it will ALWAYS be that way."

You're correct Anthony, things change. Things such as the fact that those Big 3 I mentioned aren't JUST in the tobacco business. Each of these companies have subsidiary companies that they own as well. For example, Phillip Morris owns either Nabisco or Keebler, I forget which one.

If the Big 3 went down, what would happen? Let me give you an example using my little home state of Massachusetts. This state would lose about 50 MILLION dollars per year in tax revenue if the cigarettes disappeared. Of the 5 dollars and change that you pay for a pack of Marlboros here, over 3 dollars of that is TAX.

Add to that the fact that you would be signing the death warrant on every franchise and "Mom & Pop" convenience store in the state. What, you think they make money on the sale of gas? No. On the average, franchise C-store owners make 1/3 of 1 cent per gallon on gas sales. They don't make a huge profit on cigarettes either (average 45 - 55 cents per pack), but the cigarette companies regurlary pay these owners big bucks for in store displays and special deals (known as "Buy Downs").

Also, the distribution companies that provide the cigarettes to the stores would get hit hard, if not run out of business.

Back in the early 90's, a study was done to see what kind of job loss impact would happen if the tobacco companies and their subsidiaries went out of business. The result was a sobering estimate of a MINIMUM of 18 million jobs lost. Think about that for a minute, then refer back to my comment about the Great Depression being a picnic. I wasn't joking.

So Anthony, you may THINK some things have changed, but if you look at the facts, you'll realize it hasn't changed at all. Tobacco is STILL a huge factor in our nation's economy. And if the anti-smoking Nazis have their way, they'll wish later that they weren't so successful.

By the way, can you tell I ran a convenience store for 6 years, and am good friends with some C-store franchise owners?

Lighting one up,
Cory

You are not a human being having a spiritual experience, but a spiritual being having a human experience.

RW,

> you've got the oldest profession wrong.
> By the way, it's midwifery.

To be honest, I always figured the oldest profession was farming?

Cory,

I surrender...

Anthony

Somebody had to help birth all those farmers.

This is pretty heavy stuff that Cory and Anthony is debating.

Back to cheap perfumes, I don't mind that they are cheap but too much of any perfume. I wonder if some people do not smell themselves at all when they walk out of their door. Same goes with the loud music in the car next to you.

Gina

Maybe some people use way too much cheap perfume the same way that a skunk uses its talents. The intent is to ward off enemies, not to attract partners.

Did ya ever think of that?

RW,

As usual, you see the flip side of things. I always feel a little wiser when I trade messages with you.

Gina

>>Smoking is responsible for everything from impotence, the national debt to male pattern baldness<<

... and World War II. Don't forget World War II. Hitler hated Churchill because Churchill smoked. Hitler was a vegetarian and (as everybody knows) vegetarians hate smokers just on principle. It is less well known that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor out of envy because Japanese cigarettes are nasty and always have been nasty.

Cory is very wrong when he says that this country was built by smokers. In fact, smokers were mainly sitting around watching while this country was built. Most countries, including this one, were built by non-smokers. Except for Belgium. Okay, okay ... maybe there were one or two occasional smokers who built a bridge or a convenience store or something but heavy smokers never lifted a damn finger. Smokers are the kind of people who sneak in right at the end and put their names on things just so it looks like they contributed when in fact they really didn't because they were too busy taking smoke breaks.

However, Cory is totally right about liberals being total hypocrites. Liberals will do anything to help a heroin addict but a smoker is worse than a pedophile to a liberal and that's why it's okay to take away a smoker's right to privacy and also a smoker's right to the pursuit of happiness, liberty, or life, at least as far as a liberal is concerned.

Anthony is totally right about taxing prostitution. "Make the John's pay", I say. That way, as tax revenues from the sale of tobacco products fall, there will be something to pick up the slack. A prostitution tax would have the added benefit of helping to rectify the difference in wages paid to men and women because most women will continue their boycott of prostitutes especially if there is a tax involved.

People who wear cheap perfume to cover up the smell of their smoking ought to be drowned slowly in canola oil.

It should be duck fat!

BTW, how was "pi-gnat"?

People who smoke to cover up the smell of their cheap perfume ought to be drowned slowly in Pine Sol.


I hate Pine Sol. I'll bet you that some bachelors use it as a cheap after shave cologne, and then try to cover up the smell with cheap cigars.

“”””Smoking is responsible for everything from impotence, the national debt to male pattern baldness.””””

Well that explains the baldness. But I don’t understand what the pattern is supposed to look like, maybe a camel or a cowboy on a horse? If only I hadn’t smoked that cigarette back in the Army just because the drill sergeant barked at me, “Smok’em if ya got’em.” I just didn’t like push ups unless they come from Victoria’s Secret.

I agree with Cory about the Big 3. But, I’ll take it a little further. I think we should encourage our youth to smoke and I don’t think we should leave it up to the Big 3 to do it in a subtle way. We need to be up front about it because we are gonna need a strong economy the way things are going over seas. If we would have thought about this sooner in dealing with those Anti-smoking Nazis we could have had a Big 4 or maybe even a Big 5 by now.

Not only that but look at all those stupid idiotic non smoking rules that all those Fascist Vegetarian Teachers have come up with in our schools. If they would have provided smoke breaks for the kids like normal people, my youngest son would have probably graduated high school in stead of being caught up in their bureaucratic bullsh!t. He could have concentrated more on his studies (with calmer nerves I might add) rather than being worried about being in trouble all the time.

Over 30% of our economy is based on kids buying stuff. So they got cha-ching. It’s only right that they are taught at an early age to do their part in building our economy. And if teachers were smart, they’d realize that they would need less time patrolling the halls.

It might even help the fire extinguisher industry too. They would actually get used instead of just sitting around in those cabinets. What a waste.

I think all of ya’ll are full of sh!t when it comes to the oldest profession. The oldest profession had to be cigarette makers, probably ancestors of the Big 3. Where do you think smoking after sex and midwifes with nerves calm enough to look at all that blood and assorted stuff came from?

>>It should be duck fat!<<

Perhaps we could compromise and drown them in a 50/50 mixture?

>>BTW, how was "pi-gnat"?<<

Good. Except that I tried to order gnow yuk cheung fun and wound up with gnow yuk chow fun which was okay because it turned out that RW really, really likes gnow yuk chow fun. I think she'd like gnow yuk cheung fun too but we can save that for another time. As it turns out, she also likes law bak go, another one of my favorites. So, to sum up, I'd have to say that it was a great success. The only bad thing was that we ran out of time before we had the chance to check out any bacon, egg, and cheese McGriddles. But there's always next time.

I've been meaning to ask, Gina, if it is a religious thing with you and winged animals. I mean, some people will eat things that come out of the sea but only if they have fins. Is it like that for you but with no wings? I'm just curious because in my religion, we're allowed to eat anything except baked beans. I'm not sure why ... there's probably some kind of historical reason for that. For example, it may have been that when my people were fleeing their enemies, they may not have had time to bake beans.

Wrong H2C!

Midwives calm their nerves with valerian root and chamomile teas. Also, they live in the center of the universe. Nobody smokes there. All is calm. That 'blood and stuff' (placenta and amniotic fluid) doesn't rattle a midwife. Nope.

Cigarette manufacturers came long afterward as a result of adults who were forced to give up their binkies (pacifiers) way too early.

H2C >>Where do you think smoking after sex ... came from<<

You smoke after sex? Impressive. I guess I mustn't be doing it right.

Quinn,

How did you ever ended up with chow fun when you ordered cheung fun? Must be your pronounciation. Anyways, they are both good. Now law bak go - that's a whole new book on its own. The stuff in restaurant these days are really paired down. My grandmother(best her soul) use to make pans and pans of it around Chinese New Year. It start with simmering some very tasty fish stock and finely grating the while radishes. Needless to say, it is NOT in a day's work. This sure takes me back home.

Wing animals - It is not religious. I must have mentioned before that I grew up on a commerical chicken farm. No kidding. I was surrounded by chickens, roosters and eggs. I really do not like to be around anything that has wings. I will cook the occasional chicken/turkey but I will only eat chicken/turkey breat meat if it is sliced. I love to bake but really really hate cracking eggs.
Go figure.

Gina

""""I was surrounded by chickens, roosters and eggs. """"

What, no pullets?

Hey Gina! I grew up surrounded by mink. Not as glamorous as it sounds!

>>Not as glamorous as it sounds!<<

For one thing, you need one hellavalot of perfume to cover up the smell of those rascals.

Yep! Not to mention one evening I was out watering the mink & I didn't see a skunk that was under one of the rows of cages. I startled it & got sprayed on the hand.You talk about a bad smell!!!!!Farm girls can survive anything!

RW wrote

>>I hate Pine Sol. I'll bet you that some bachelors use it as a cheap after shave cologne, and then try to cover up the smell with cheap cigars<<

Q wrote

>>For one thing, you need one hellavalot of perfume to cover up the smell of those rascals.[minx]<<

So why not just use Pine Sol to clean the mink pens?

Chris. (ever the problem-solver)

ps. I hate Pine Sol too, RW.

Well, I don't think it would be possible to clean the cages with Pine Sol. They are wire cages with a wooden nest box attached. They just shit in the pen & it falls thru the wire. Not bad most of the year but during hot humid summer days it did smell some.One of the neighborhood farmers use to load up his manure spreader to put on his garden. That got rid of alittle bit now & then but with 3,ooo mink there's bound to be lots of shit. I guess I could have used the Pine Sol on myself after the skunk sprayed me but I'm not sure which is worse:skunk or Pine Sol! I guess skunk, but not by much!!!

Since surviving many a spraying or partial spraying by skunks.....who hibernate in canada during the winter and are a bit riled during the summer after all those days indoors...........i can only tell you one thing........TOMATO JUICE WORKS WONDERS!


I grew up around cows, chickens, turkeys, pigs (my favorite was Willy - old boar loved his back scratched with a 2x4)......little did I know it predicted my later life and meeting face to face with Kats 2x4 on numerous occasions

I dare not enter the non smoking debate. Suffice to say I worked at our cancer centre for 2 years and saw all I needed to see to last me a lifetime of non-smoking!

I'll let you slide on this one

And as you walk you make your path Kat

If you want to quit smoking, go see 'Goodnight and Good Luck.'

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Hi all!
jbean

Since this is the YO QUINN thread, could the dear man update me on whether things ever got settled in court yet or are you still being post poned into your next lifetime?

Inquiring minds want to know.

And don't want to research the archives.

Thanks,
jbean