After posting my recent message about the 2005 game jerseys I have for sale, I received an email from Barry Smith. He ordered 3 jerseys, and then sent me several emails indicating he wanted to overpay for the jerseys, and have me send back a refund. Below, you will find his emails:
On Wed Oct 26 6:18 , barry smith <email@example.com> sent:
Thanks for the reply. Right now i'm out of town on business. Don't worry about shipping, My shipping agent will handle everything about shipping, as he has been shipping both pets and Auto parts for me for a while now, He can take good care of the safe shipping of the Jerseys.
As for payment, I will instruct my accountant to issue a cashier's cheque of $3,000. as i am not in the US at the moment. Once you receive the cashiers cheque i will like you to deduct your payment of $395 and then you will have to wire the excess amount to my shipper via Money Gram or Western union the moment you receive the cheque so that he can immediately come for collection of the jerseys.
Pls let me know if i can trust you in wiring the excess funds to my shipper the same day you receive the Money order, as you know it is not easy to trust people nowadays.
Note: my shipper will be picking up some other Equipments for! ! ! me in the US, including the jerseys i am buying from you, this is why his shipping charges is as much as this.
This way you will be free from shipping hastles and stress, as my shipper will come over to your place for collection and shipping of the jerseys once he receives the funds.
And if you are okay with this way of payment pls get back to me with your details such as(Full name,Full Address.Telephone Unmber).
Thank and Godbless.
Howard Wolf <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
I have the Takatsu and Dubois. Mueller is sold.
The total is $395. plus $10. postage.
Please advise if I should reserve these for you.
Check is fine, however, must clear before the shirts ship. Money orders/cashier checks allow for faster service.
----- Original Message -----
From: barry smith
To: Howard Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:11 PM
I will prefer the (#11 Bill Mueller L $295 ,#10 Shingo Takatsu 44 $245.and #9 Jason Dubois L $150).The price is ok by me.($690).
You don't have to worry about the shippmet of the jerseys,my shipping agent will be at ur prewmises for the pickup of the jerseys.I will like you to remove the advert from the net,cos am assuring you that i will buy the jerseys from you.I will need the jerseys fast,so i want you to get back to me with ur contact details where the cheque will be sent to.
Thanks and Godbless.
I then received the following email (note the address) within 10 minutes of responding to Smith, and letting him know I have no interest in doing business with him:
tunde LEMO <email@example.com> Sent: Wed Oct 26 9:05
To: firstname.lastname@example.org Priority: Normal
Subject: PLEASE RESPONCE Type: Embeded HTML/Text
I am Tunde Lemo, Deputy Governor, Financial Sector Surveillance of the central bank.In the discharge of my duty,I stumbled on this domiciliary account that has remained dormant for three years now with Ten million dollars(US$10m) in it. I contacted my director and we sent out staff forenquiries and discovered that the account holder died in an accident.I would respectfully request that you keep the contents of this mail confidential and respect the integrity of the information you come by as a result of this mail.
I am writing you so that we can work together to remit the money to you as the next of kin because this money belongs to a foreigner and has to be claimed by a foreigner.I guarantee this transaction under a legitimate arrangements that will not breach the law by both parties, it is simple process which will take a short while to process.If I hear from you,I will tell you all you need to know about the money.
Mr. Tunde Lemo
Note how both are similar with the email@example.com
Folks, this is a scam. I'm pointing this out so incase you get an email response fron this or a similar address, you are not taken.
I had the pleasure of having an ebay bidder "overpay" for a pair of Vlad cleats. Took him some time but finally sent a check because he was "overseas". The check was sent from Georgia, but the Bank issuing the check was in Michigan. The check was for $4,500 for a $300.00 pair of cleats!!! He said it was for the shipper who will contact me after they receive the other portion. I called the bank who issued the check to verify it. The lady said it's fake because they do not issue money orders. The check even has a water mark and an actual account. The bank said it has been receiving some forged checks the past six months and to contact the FBI. I still have the check. Never heard back from the FBI though.
You can always have some serious fun with this. Offer to simply send them the merchandise C.O.D., then fill a box with various worthless heavy objects (i.e. bricks, rusted metal, Mo Vaughn). It'll get some junk off your hands, and make them pay a TON in charges to take it!
When you send an item C.O.D., the shipper is required to pay for the postage up front (in this case, that's me!). When the box is sent to a bogus address and is undeliverable, and then returned to my address, this entire caper you outline will prove nothing except cost me money, additional time, and more frustration.
How about just deleting the bogus email and simply moving on? I think that's the route to take.
These scams are both domestically and internationally based.
October 27 2005, 11:46 AM
A few responses:
I get these all the time. Howard contacted me immediately after getting these and I confirmed his strong suspicion that this was indeed a scam. Howard is correct, though, in that the solicitations usually do not include a specific item (or items) from the potential seller's collection/inventory. This means that the so-called interested buy is picking potential victims from gameusedforum.com, which is interesting, among other things.
Nathan, while I think your idea is a funny one, I just want to point that, if a person were to take your suggestion seriously and act on it, he would risk charges of criminal mail fraud and interstate commerce violations. I would recommend deleting the solicitations or contacting the authorities. eBay and Paypal may be conacted when they are relevant parties, too (I've received all kinds of these emails and I can't keep up with them all ... but I used to just play along with the scammer and get as much of their private contact information as possible before turning them in).
Honestly, I'm amazed that anyone falls for this kind of thing. Why on earth would someone need to send a check for $5000 (for example) for a low-priced item that has a value of only a few hundred dollars?
If you would like to receive my list of game used baseball and basketball items, please email me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
They actually are not interested in the item at all, just playing the system. If I cashed the check, I would have received the money and forwarded the additional with a wire transfer. Then a few days later the issuing bank would have reported the forgery. Next thing you know I would owe the money I forwarded and face potential fraud charges (not likely because this is happening quite a bit). Once they receive the money they delete the account and move on. Usually it happens with car puchases on ebay but they are branching out. Good times.
Re: These scams are both domestically and internationally based.
October 28 2005, 8:41 PM
That's the joy of actual overseas shipping. Besides, when they inevitably receive the junk and go absolutely ballistic it provides evidence of who exactly is perpetrating the scam as opposed to simply acting like this never happened. I prefer to just keep everything on file to provide an electronic trail, which allows law enforcement to get involved more quickly and with more evidence. Acting like an interested party in a deal that is clearly a scam also allows for more collection of information.
When I worked in retail, I once handled a call from someone using a relay call service (which is provided, normally, for hearing-impaired individuals and not for scammers) to try to pay for stuff via (stolen) credit card and have it shipped to Nigeria (at his cost). I got all relevant information, promised to send it out immediately (didn't run the card), and proceeded to send a couple of bricks via UPS. Of course, the guy went crazy, which was enough to allow INTERPOL to open an investigation and do their thing. I simply handed over all relevant information, with the shipping info, and all that other junk.
Of course, that's not for people who are naive and are willing to spend $500 to "gain access to millions". But if anyone's interested, my father the grand sultan has recently passed on and I can't seem to get to his immense gold fortune without someone providing me the necessary capital to handle all the fees and legal junk....