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December 1 2006 at 2:02 AM
  (Login HMorenz)

I saw an item that tirggered my interest but missed out on auction due to the hi bid out of my price range--BUT did anyone see the image of the Cree Inidans and other tribe--
-NOT sure if it was a postcard or images from a magzine--anyway--Being Native American and a hockey player --I have had interst in the Indians that have played in the NHL and their contributions in the past--mic-mac sticks---I have the Puck Starts Here book and interesting articles. I wasgathering info on the numerous Indians that have played and wanted to start a book but Life got in the way--Still would bean intersting read if I get the inpiration again.
My little claim is that Stan Jonathan is from the same reserve I'm from in Canada--sothern Ontario and have numerous autograph items and the most unique collectible is a bottle of scotch made for Stan in the 70's with his label and it's signed--unopened--
Anyone with images let me know--may be intereted in acquring for "research" and display in my hockey shrine--
Thanks and good day
Ron
Seneca Indian

EDIT :
found picture in question after search and it's a postcard after reading follow-up info

Captions under the photos are as follows: "The Cree Indian Hockey Team, Temagami, Ontario, Canada." and "The Ojibway Hockey Team, Temagami, Ontario, Canada." Great early postally unused postcard of team members in full dress on skates. Printed in Canada, circa 1920




    
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(Premier Login hockey_jim)
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Re: Hockey and Indians

December 1 2006, 11:22 AM 

Ron. I come across stuff like this from time to time, we should talk. Jim.

 
 

(Login HMorenz)

Re: Hockey and Indians

December 1 2006, 11:40 AM 

JIm--
I'm all ears--You want to talk over some Scotch?--HAHAHA-
What other things have you seen ? Great to hear--
Ron

 
 

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Jonathan

December 2 2006, 11:06 AM 

One of my all-time faves ! Everytime I hear someone extolling the virtues of "the new NHL" I miss him a wee bit more...


 
 

Ray Millette
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Re: Hockey and Indians

December 2 2006, 12:29 PM 

Stan 'the man' Jonathan !!!

 
 

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Re: Hockey and Indians

December 2 2006, 2:14 PM 

Ok guys, would you like a hockey puzzle-question?

When did last time (and maybe only time) 2 Indians clash against each other in the Stanley Cup finals being premier players in the first lines?

And what was the most bizarre thing (in my opinion, of course) about those lines in general?

 
 
Earl Strohmeyer
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Indian Hockey Players

December 2 2006, 2:44 PM 

I think I know who one of them was, but I don't remember the other one. I won't say anything unless I can find the other name to go along with it.

Earl

 
 
Dan Basso
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Native All Star....

December 2 2006, 2:54 PM 

Jim Neilson:



Dan (3/16 Metis and Cree from N Alberta)

 
 

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Another Native All Star

December 2 2006, 2:56 PM 






 
 
Dan Bedard
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Bucyk is the best

December 2 2006, 5:18 PM 

Have to say my opinion that Bucyk is the best aboriginal ever to play in the NHL. If anyone feels like scanning a PSA 8 rookie to show the forum I for one would love it. Also the point that Bucyk's rookie in PSA 8 is very hard to come across. The population on PSA is only 15 PSA 8's

 
 

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Re: Hockey and Indians

December 2 2006, 5:33 PM 


Johnny Bucyk -
Known as the "Chief" due to presumed Native American looks; in fact, he was of Ukrainian ancestry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bucyk

 
 

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Da Chief

December 2 2006, 5:34 PM 

First Jonathan, now Chief; I'm getting all emotional here. I would second that Dan, Bucyk was the best, what a career he had; solid player, so well respected by his teammates; a true legend of the game. I didn't know his RC was so tough, though, no 9s ?

 
 

Ray Millette
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Hail to the 'Chief'

December 2 2006, 5:45 PM 


 
 

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Chief

December 2 2006, 6:04 PM 

Good point Elmar, forgot where the famous (at least for old Bruins fans) "Uke Line" got it's name (Horvath and Stasiuk).

Nice one Ray.

 
 


(Premier Login hockey_jim)
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Re: Hockey and Indians

December 2 2006, 6:50 PM 

Hey, both the Dan B's in one thread!! Did you guys both dig out of all that snow at the same time? Or was it the brown water? Not a good month out west.

 
 

(Login strohman)

Hockey Quiz

December 2 2006, 8:38 PM 

Elmar,

I can't find the details and I may be off the mark, but I remember just a few years ago, Chris Simon and someone else getting in a fight in a playoff game or something and they agreed afterwards to avoid anymore fights because they were both Indians. It was an interesting story. I'm thinking this was when he played with Calgary, but I'm not sure.

If no one figures it out, you'll have to post the answer.

Earl

 
 

(Login HMorenz)

Re: Hockey and Indians

December 2 2006, 8:49 PM 

Gino Odjick ?-- Jordan Too Too (?)-- Chee Choo?
Couple more just have to check resources-

 
 

BobbyBHockey
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Hockey and Indians

December 2 2006, 9:08 PM 

Howe?

 
 

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Elmar's Trivia

December 2 2006, 9:09 PM 

Here's an uneducated guess - Trottier and Reggie Leach. Although can't think of anything bizarre about the lines.

 
 

(Login HMorenz)

TROTTIER

December 2 2006, 9:15 PM 

RE: Trottier--
YES a friend of mine told me that Trottier was of Native ancestory a couple months ago but didn't know it myself--interesting articles--


http://www.ammsa.com/achieve/AA98-B.Trottier.html
http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ks/3053_e.html

 
 

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Additional Images

December 2 2006, 9:32 PM 

What gets me is when they discuss diversity in the NHL I have not heard Indians or any of the players names mentioned spacifically but when the black players were discussed they had follow up stories / interviews on the TV--All I really want is the contribtions toand players to be more reconized and programs to help out--that was one of my goals if I ever did a book was to donate proceeds --maybe this will bea starting point


Had more than expected within the collection--

George Armstrong--Legendary Maple Leafs and Captain-


LARRY JOHNSTON SPRINGFIELD INDIANS





Bottle of Scotch MADE for Stan Jonathan Circa 1970's




Autographed by Stan Jonathan personalized--not to me



Eddie Shore- Springfield Days (?) Bun Cook and unidentified player looks Native


    
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Hockey and Indians

December 2 2006, 10:03 PM 

Ray, you have posted some really nice cards recenty. Keep it up! Hee! Hee!

 
 

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Re: Hockey and Indians

December 3 2006, 2:32 AM 

Al, great guess!

Bryan Trottier against Reggie Leach in 1980 Isles - Flyers Stanley Cup finals...

And look at the uniform numbers:

Barber (7) + Clarke (16) + Leach (28) = 50
Gillies (9) + Trottier (19) + Bossy (22) = 50

Even birth years are have (almost) the same margin
Clarke is one year older than Leach, Leach is 2 years older than Barber
Gillies is 2 years older than Trottier, Trottier is one year older than Bossy

 
 

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Re: Hockey and Indians

December 3 2006, 12:29 PM 

Hey Ron,

Why is Bun Cook pictured on that photo?
I can't find when he was involved with Springfield. I think he was coaching Providence and Cleveland, but not Indians.

 
 

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Re: Hockey and Indians

December 3 2006, 12:38 PM 

As mentioned the phot IDs were from this gentlamn's memory--SO I'm trying to get some clarification so I don't misrepresent the photo If I decide to sell and for now cataloging issues--and while we're still young and our memories have something still left--SO I'd like to know too
Ron




















    
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Bucyk scan

December 3 2006, 10:03 PM 

Thanks Ray for the great scan of the Bucyk PSA 8. As for the snow in British Columbia it has been nasty. A return to the weather we had here in the 90's plenty of snow. Still got three more months of this the snowbanks are going to be huge this year!!!!!

 
 
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