guys what do you think of this card. the player,the card,the set,etc.

I'm being offered a sgc 7.5 from bmw. there is a psa 8 and psa 7 out there.

Hold out for a GAI 8.1.

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very funny steve but you probably never had a gai card in your collection or should i say collections(sets).

Greg. I see that you are all over the place asking all kinds of questions relating to prices of BMW's cards. Perhaps you should take some time and learn about the things you are buying instead of asking people on forums. You don't want to hear what they have to say anyway. If you like the cards and can handle the price, buy them!! You are trying to ask for opinions on cards that have never had an equivalent sold in some cases. The card will be worth what you pay for it and only time will tell if you did well or not. Jim.

jim i didn't talk about price on the broda. my original question was about the player,set,etc. but i see your point. i am talking about price on the baseball card forum for the willie keeler because i know the player and would like to know the price a 1/2 grade would bring.

36 OPC is tough to find in higher grades and that is not an easy set overall. Jim.

jim, thanks. is the 36 opc a black and white set or color? what kind of career did broda have. what teams did he play for. did he win any stanley cups.

So you don't what the card looks like? You don't know who he is? You have no idea what kind of career he had?

Why the hell are you looking to buy his card if he could be a bum? Because it was offered to you?

Steve GAI 8.1 comment fits you fessgreg. You're a sellers best friend.

To give you an idea I just sold this for $3000.

Greg,

Before I ever got seriously interested in collecting hockey cards, I did some reading. There DVD box sets and plenty of excellent books that will educate you about the lives and careers of some of the hockey greats from the pre war days. You can get a copy of the annual beckett to read a little about the different sets.

The 1936 OPC D Series is one of the most unique regular issue series ever issued in my opinion, but you should learn more about the set before you invest in a card that you don't know much about. I've been collecting for over 12 years and I still learn more all the time about certain sets, especially pre war sets.

Personally, I have a hard time spending a great deal of money on a card unless I really have some background info on the player and really respect the player.

Earl

Earl,

What makes the '36 opc set in more unique than the other pre-war sets? I'm not picking on you but the design is somewhat like the '37 opc baseball set and the '34 baseball set (both being "pop-up" sets).

I believe just about every other 1930's opc set has qualities that make them unique as compared to other sets. But that's just my opinion.

Tom,

I just meant that the 1936 OPC issue was one of the most unique issues due to them being pop up cards. Most cards are just photos without this other unique element. The fact that the pop-up element adds another factor to the condition of the cards makes them more unique and tough to find in mid and higher grades.

If you hadn't ever seen one, you wouldn't know that these were pop-up cards, and I can't imagine buying something like this nad not finding out until after it arrived.

These aren't my favorite cards, but they are very unique in my opinion.

Earl

Greg,

Buying everything that is offered to you from 1 dealer is a bit idiotic. If you want to get into vintage hockey, pick something you like(even if it is just a visual thing) and go with it. Or, just contact the people with the best set on the PSA registry and throw truck loads of money at them.

Scott

By the way, if you want to stay in the dark and buy everything offered to you, I am POSITIVE that my stockbroker would love you as a client.

scott i don't buy everything. in a previous thread i stated someone else not me bought the sgc 7.5 newsy lalonde c56. someone bought it for 15k but i was offered it for less because i do do a lot of business with brian at bmw and i trust him. the first card i bought off of him was a sgc 92 ty cobb 1915 cracker jack for 34k list 40k. now it is worth 50 to 60k after only 5 months. i like brian and mike at bmw and will continue to do business with them. maybe you other guys should too.

There you go again. If you believe the value went up that much on your Cobb in 5 months you are .....aaahh forget it.

Let's just say you should be selling it right now.

Greg, you can't stop, can you?

$15K, $34K, $100K.
Can you put together a single sentense without using a dollar sign?
How old are you? You sound like you are 5.

As far as learning - the Internet is a great source, and should have browsed it about who Broda was instead of asking the forum.

i dont believe the cobb went up by that much, i know it. i was offered by another dealer that money. cobb 8 cracker jack went for 30k last year in an auction. in scp auction an 8 went for 63k.

Lets keep all this crap on one thread. This is making my head spin.

God has intervened!!!!!!!!!!!
Just kiddin Jim
Do you still have the PSA 8 Bower 54-55???
Thought you had one,Dan

I do still have the psa 8. Do you still have that SGC 8 ?

Listen Greg, I have been in this "business" for a long time and I have done deals with many different people(including BMW). I just don't believe in dealing with a single person. But more importantly, I REALLY don't believe in paying a premium amount for cards. There is no way I'd pay $100k for a PSA 10, when I could get a PSA 9 for $10k. To me, that is a waste of resources. I have always tried to be on the sellers side of that equation. If someone wants to check back on the ebay sales sheet, I sold the first 54 topps PSA 9 Delvecchio for over $5k, and since bought another PSA 9 for $2000.

I really hate the fact the I'm am talking money.

Scott

If your going to look up Delvecchio on Wikipedia, check Alex & Red Wings.

No I sold the SGC unfortunately. I am first a collector. But unfortanely my house mortgage transforms me into a dealer. I sold the card 20 days after I got it. And for the record I still think SGC is the best graders. Love there slabs. Love there standards. That Bower was impeccable. The only knock on SGC is there sometimes a little easy on centering. I have the scan of the card for my viewing pleasure. Dan

Good point Scott.

i've lost money on collectibles but i've made more than i lost. on stocks i've lost more than i made. everything really is a chance. im trying to learn so thats why im on the forum. NOT TO BRAG. i almost bid in the scp auction and i've talked to other dealers about cards. bmw ALWAYS and i mean ALWAYS is willing to talk to me. and that is important for someone ignorant on card collecting like myself. and they give me discounts on items for dealing with them more. im not endorsing bmw but so far that's who ive done business with.

If it was about money Greg's collection isn't close to the best on this forum.

I can tell you for sure my collection blows his out of the water. He's just to ignorant to know that. I'd bet he's still a few hundred thousand dollars behind and that's assuming he has a bunch of big cards.

I can be arrogant too Greg.

Hey Scott, Oct 10 2005 5,688.00 PSA 9 Delvecchio sold. Ring a bell, Just thought I would interject. I keep tabs on most of the star cards that I like for the last 5 years on ebay. Anyone wants a unbiased opinion on past prices feel free to email me!!! Also don't be shy to ask me for my graded cards list might have one there for you!!! Dan

Greg. All were trying to tell you is that if you took the time to learn about what you're doing, whether it's stocks or cards, you will win alot more than you lose. By saying it is a chance, you sound more like a gambler than a business person or investor. Jim.

Hey Tom how about taking a moment and showing us a scan of Jean Beliveau I am sure you have a high grade one to show us. I have never owned a Beliveau rookie would like to get one soon Dan

Dan, I am almost embarrassed to admit that someone paid me that much for that card. Scott

Greg won't be impressed since it's not a 9 but what the heck...



I actually try to spend in a wise manner when I can.

That is a sweet Beliveau. It's good to see a nice white parkie like that.

Woww I just love that card. One of my favourites. Thanks Tom!!! Believe it or not but Dec 15 2002 a PSA 7 Beliveau actually sold for 275.00. I was just getting back from a trip to Mexico then and was broke. What a gift that was for that lucky bidder. 10 Stanley cups for Beliveau what an achievement!!

Geez. $275? Mine was $1000 ...a few 4 more I think. That was about 2 years ago.

Hey Tom no worries the Beliveau like most other hockey cards have inceased significantly since 2002 as the US dollar was worth 1.50 Canadian then and most people were recovering from the massive ressession and meltdown of the US markets still by late 2002!! Think a fair price for a PSA 7 is 750.00 However since as Scott mentioned your Beliveau has next to little toning and is a very strong PSA 7 so a higher premium stands to reason. Still outstanding card, Dan

bmw has this card on its ebay website i believe. if you want to look at another one. i think this was the card that was bleeding to the back and i passed on it. it may have been their plante though.

I know it is just my wacky preference, but when it comes to vintage cards, I would rather have the eye appeal of a PSA 7 of this card if it were not brown toned.

I had mixed feelings about the toning on my Beliveau rookie, which might have been as brown as any card in my former set. I'd much prefer "creamy white" as the auction catalogs like to say, but given all the allegations of bleaching, I saw the toning as a badge of authenticity. Much like a rough cut on OPC cards.

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I think that this is Delvecchio's rarest in high grade, PSA 6 and above is that true?Dan

Delvecchio's lowest pop is easily his 52-53 Parkhurst card. He only has 6 seven's and 1 eight.

I am corrected. Thanks Albie, must admit I always forget about that Delvecchio. I dislike the face potrait of that card and have never sought after the auctions featuring this issue. Nevertheless it is the rarest that is true. My favourite cards from that set have to be the Horton RC and the Harvey, with a third place going to George Armstrong RC.

Cool ad....another great drawing by Lou Skuce (O'Keefe's Coaster Artist)
different.

Bobby. I passed on about 6 of those last weekend, all on full pages. I knew I should have went back!!

yes, there are so many great ones, newspapers are tough to find, especially in nice condition.

I found a few and acquired some back in the day--including a Lester Patrick--Sawchuk and others--does anyone have other examples--like to use in player profiles--

Here is a nice one.

Someone asked for these...the set went for $7,200 including juice. Worth it?

These don't look as bad as they made it sound. Jim.