I need some insight on these cards. PSA recognizes these cards as rookie cards in the registry. Do the pictures depict players from NHL team or pre NHL teams. What is the difference between these and 1928 Paulins? Why aren't the 28 Paulins considered to be rookie cards of the players. Foe example Chuck Gardiner RC is 33 Canadian Gum and not his 28 Paulin. Thanks for input.
The V128-1 Paulin's set of hockey cards shows players from the Western Canadian Hockey League - a rival major league to the NHL. The set was issued in 1923-24. This was the first hockey card set produced after 1912 and included rookie cards for many HOF'ers. The 70 card set could be returned to the company in exchange for a premium item (either a hockey stick or box of chocolates - wonder what the typical Canadian kid picked?) and would have been returned to the sender with a punch hole, or stamp on each card.
If you wanted to complete the 'major leagues' for 1923-24 you'd collect the V128-1 and V145-1 Pattersons that are the four NHL teams that year. There was also a 3 team pro league called the Pacific Coast League in 23-24 with HOFers like Frank Boucher, Lehman, Fredrickson, Foyston and Holmes but as far as I know there are no cards of them from that season.
The V128-2 Paulins 90 card set was issued by Paulin’s Candy in 1928-29 in Western Canada. The 1 3/8" by 2 5/8" black and white cards feature Western Canada teams and individuals. Unlike the 1923-24 Paulin’s cards these feature mostly amateur teams and players. The Calgary Jimmies cards do not identify the player. The backs detail an offer for a free hockey stick or a box of Paulin’s Chocolates if you turned in a complete set of all ninety cards. The cards are rarely seen in any condition. The key card in the set is future Hall of Famer (but then amateur-so not a 'rookie') Charlie Gardiner which Beckett values at $150 (good luck finding one at any price).
I have noticed that psa grades the stamp redemption ones and puts stamp redemption on the label. Does the stamp redemption greatly affect the value of the card? If not, what about if it was hole punched instead of being stamped? Is there a difference between the hole punch and the stamp in the eyes of the graders when grading the card, since they were both ways in which Paulin's marked the card as redeemed? Will psa grade the hole punched ones? Just wondering if anybody knew!
PSA grades them with stamps. They graded them as 'Stamped Redemption' for Tom Papa with no qualifier. They did the same for me but put a MK qualifier on all mine. Since mine were low grade anyway I did not complain about it although its annoying. I have not seen a PSA graded example with a hole punched. I'm guessing they would grade it but do not know if they would assign a number or call it 'Authentic.' If you've got some I'd email their customer service for the answer.
As far as desireability - I can only speak for myself and I would prefer:
1st Clean - no redemption
2nd Stamped redemption
3rd Hole punched redemption
However I'd buy any I could find at reasonable prices regardless of the redemption markings.
PSA has graded all my cards with a MK qualifier although I think if I emailed Joe Orlando they would change that. I sent one in recently with a stamp redemption and made it clear on the invoice that it was a stamp redemption. We will see how they grade that card.
There was a few more of these cards at the Canadian Expo recently. Unfortunately all of the Hall of Famers I saw, I already had. There was a nice lot on ebay that just closed that included a Hainsworth and Wilson rookie card.
I do not mind them in any grade but I would prefer cards with the stamp redemption.
The Paulins was issued in 1924-25 straight through to 1925-1926. The more we call them this the faster the grading companies will change the error.
From the VHC....
1924-26 Paulin’s Hockey Bar Cards
The date of this issue has been extensively researched and subsequently changed from what was previously archived as a year prior. The “Hockey Bar” promotion was also carried on through the summer of 1925, however the hockey sticks redemption was replaced with baseball equipment. The hockey stick promotion started again in the fall of 1925 due to its overwhelming success and ran through another hockey season 1925-26. These black and white cards measure 1 3/8” x 2 ¾” and one card was issued with every Paulin’s Premium Hockey Bar. This 70-card set depicts players from the Western Hockey League. A hockey stick or box of chocolates was awarded to consumers who sent in a full set of cards. Submitted cards were returned to consumers with a hole punch in them and/or a Paulin Chambers Company stamp on the back to deter future re-submissions for redemptions.
Ya Mark, its like a playboy book, the pictures always come first, then when you get board of them, you can read the write-up then.
I don't anticipate any changes by PSA anytime soon...if they do end up changing anything, the amount of cards they will have to reslab won't be something I see them enjoying.
Nor do I see Beckett or Charlton making any change either, no one wants to make corrections which may imply that they could have been wrong for years.
The funny part about all the changes, the information was out there all along, just had to do a tiny bit of research to find them, although some were easier to find than others.
I send Beckett a book for a review back in November (rush order so they said to get an review in January), nothing in January about the book, after a few emails I was finally told that February was a go, then I was told due to space restrictions, it would be in March.....we'll see....
Nothing happens fast in the hobby, unless there is a record price on a PSA card or major find, then you could be sure it would be in thier next months publication...!
They are considered rookie cards because they are the earliest hockey cards of these players. The fact that the set wasn't the NHL doesn't matter. It was pro hockey. Many HOF hockey players never played in the NHL and some others never played above the amateur level.
The reason the registry shows Gardiner's '33 card instead of his '28 card is because when the set was make for the registry PSA wouldn't let us add a card that had never been graded. At that time there had never been a card from that set graded.
There are dozens of inequities in the registry. They make-up and change the rules as they go.
