I spent most of Saturday afternoon there and I didn't find much. Oddly enough I only purchased some prewar baseball cards, no hockey! Overall the show wasn't much different from the Fall Expo ... same dealers with the same inventory (ok, that's a generalization but you get my drift). I'm new to the GTA so it's still a unique experience, but I don't know how many more times I'll go twice a year. I'm not in it for autographs, at least not at those prices.
A couple pet peaves:
1) Dealers, please clearly identify prices. And not on the back so I have to get your attention so you can open the case and then flip the card over to see the price on the back.
2) If you are really interested in selling, price your stuff accordingly. I know I'm not going to pay ebay prices at the show ... but if prices were more reflective of reality ... guess what, your sales would increase.
3) The show runs until 6:00 on Saturday. That doesn't give you the right to pack up your stuff at 5. When I do the rounds I make notes of booths to stop at again. That might be at 3, or it might be at 5. You are losing potential sales if your stuff is all packed by 5:15.
went for a few hours-thats it! sick and tired of same old dealers and there same inventory and prices. to nice of a day to stick around. ebay is the way to go for me! also i just think this may show is a bad time for interest as i am starting my summer hobbys and working on spring stuff around the house. lot of my freinds did not even go at all as they went to set up there cottages. in other words-who cares this time of the year?
if you guys think leaving at 5:15pm at a 6:00pm show is bad you should go to coin shows. they are typically friday to sunday. by noon on saturday half the dealers are gone home(both big ones and small ones). one time i couldn't get a friday off for a ny show so i went saturday. bus in by noon and there was nothing to look at. as the years go by shows are becoming more of a turnoff for me. maybe its because i'm getting older but i don't think so. signed greg
I agree with you to a certain point with regards to the yesteryear of good shows. For me, they had several advantages that the current Ebay, auctions, etc. don't have: (1) the excitement and anticipation of seeing people bring their best (not always) stuff, (2) the pageantry of all of those dealers, cards, displays in one room, (3) the unknown element of what you would find and when you did, if you had enough money, (4) actually having to get off of your butt to go somewhere, (5) playing the game of strategy of which direction and in what order you would go, which table(s) you would return to and whether that item(s) would still be there.
However, I can also think of several disadvantages of shows: (1) way, way overpriced and overgraded stuff, (2) having to push through crowds and lines, (3) sweaty, stinky people who didn't wear deodorant, (4) the possibility of someone stealing your stuff or money (or both), (5) overall, having less of a selection (especially, depending on who would be there and when people would leave), (6) rude (sometimes nice, but more often rude) dealers who would not bargain with you if their mother were dying, (7) buying something that you would not have otherwise bought but you did because you didn't want to leave empty-handed, (8) physical draining of wading through 100, 200 or more tables.
This message has been edited by JNguyen on May 7, 2007 11:31 AM
haven't gone to any card shows yet but i've had my share of great,good,bad,and awful experiences at coin shows. coin shows are generally tightly packed and people are always bumping your chair when your seated at a dealer looking at material. obnoxious dealers,too many of them. i once had a dealer scream at me at the top of his lungs for sitting in one of his chairs while talking to another collector. there were other chairs and his were empty the whole day anyway. i guess he made no sales so he had to take it out on someone. however i've seen great material and have made some great deals. you have to just take the good with the bad i guess but the travel as i get older is just a big hassel. i will probably go to the national in cleveland in the summer. it will be my first card show. i'm prepared for the best and worst. signed greg
Long before eBay, I used to go to any card show that I could find. Most shows in the U.S. have a lot of baseball, a fair amount of football and basketball, and maybe some Nascar. Finding hockey usually took some effort and lots of asking around.
Regardless of this, I loved going to shows! When you did find someone who carried a little bit of hockey, they didn't usually specialize in it and would often be glad to get rid of it.
I also loved walking through the crowds, searching for deals, and getting to pick up a card and hold it in your hand. You could negotiate a little and walk away with your card immediately. Much nicer than waiting days and days for the card to come in the mail. I can't explain why, but it's just more exciting interacting with dealers and other collectors at shows.
I don't ever see shows any more. As wonderful as eBay is, it has killed off the shows for the most part. It is efficient, inexpensive, and never closes. It requires very little time or effort by the seller most of the time, and can produce easy money if it is used correctly.
I have always dreamed of coming to the Expo in Toronto, but I'm starting to wonder if I would just end up disappointed after making the trip.
I too used to go to all the shows I could but am more selective now.
The Expo is still one of those shows I still try to attend. In any event I had fun this time round. Not always the case but what usually works for me is to decide before I go what I am looking for. I try to limit my search to 3-4 different items/sets/cards. And if I see something nice or interesting beyond that, well it is all bonus.
This time I saw a clipped postcard of George Hainsworth in his Saskatoon Sheiks jersey. Didn't know any postcards were made of the old Patricks Western League. Also saw a real neat Don Cherry signed Midget paper dated 1948.
Even unloaded some items from my collection which didn't fit my current interests. That pretty funded my day at the show.
And oh yeah...first time I was able to resist buying the new stuff. Much better to go for older hockey anyway!
I think you will really enjoy the National. One thing you need to remember is to enjoy the social aspects of the show (meeting dealers, collectors, auction houses, networking, etc,...) especially (as I've said before) since much of the material you're looking for is on ebay & the auction houses.
The vintage baseball card network54 group has a dinner one night during the National. Hopefully, the (us) vintage hockey guys will too.
alan, thanks for the heads up on the national. i will be looking forward to it(hope i can make it). closer in i'd like to make arrangements to meet some of you guys and may be we can have that dinner. signed greg
While I certainly cannot speak for everyone (dealers, manufacturers, distributors, publishers, and collectors), three of the posts on this thread are somewhat disconcerting since they describe events/situations which straddle the threshold of reality.
First, the attendance at the Sportcard and Memorabilia Expo in Toronto this last weekend was the highest since the SARS incident -- that means the greatest number of attendees in the last nine shows, dating back to May of 2003. Friday, in particular, was far from slow. And while it may not have been elbow to elbow like in the 1980s, the aisles at times were teeming and nearly packed with collectors. The number of individuals, couples, and families who came in on Saturday was also strong and the crowd for autographs on Sunday was among the largest since 1995. Complimentary Beckett Hockey magazines (the last three issues) were available and were completely gone by Saturday morning; in the past there had always been leftovers.
The selection of older cards and memorabilia was absolutely superb and was clearly the most diverse and interesting one would have found in the last decade. Here is a partial, top-26 list of vintage items that made the show exceptional:
1) 1900s through the 21st Century autographed memorabilia including cards, certificates, photographs, cuts, jerseys, postcards, prints, sticks, posters, etc.
2) 1900s through 21st Century nonsport and baseball cards -- thousands of singles including Imperial Tobacco, Parkhurst, World Wide, Canadian Gum, O-Pee-Chee
3) 1800s through 21st Century hockey related memorabilia including games, pennants, pucks, calendars, coins, stamps, clocks, etc.
4) 1910-11 C56 Imperial Tobacco #37 Newsy Lalonde
5) 1910-11 C56 Imperial Tobacco Complete Set
6) 1911-12 C55 Imperial Tobacco -- At least 50 total singles including Georges Vezina
7) 1911-12 Sweet Caporal Postcards -- At least 10 total singles including several Hall of Fame Players
8) 1912-13 C57 Imperial Tobacco -- At least 50 total singles including 2 cards of Georges Vezina
9) 1924-25 Maple Crispette -- At least 100 total singles
10) 1927 Honey Boy (Purity Ice Cream) #1 Steamer Maxwell
11) 1930s through the 21st Century game used jerseys -- hundreds of sweaters including dozens of Hall of Fame players and dozens of wool specimens from all kinds of NHL and minor league teams.
12) 1930s through the 21st Century game used sticks -- thousands including hundreds of Hall of Fame players.
13) 1933-34 O-Pee-Chee Series A Complete Set plus dozens of singles
14) 1934-35 O-Pee-Chee Series B Complete Set plus dozens of singles
15) 1936-37 O-Pee-Chee Series D -- dozens of singles
16) 1937-38 O-Pee-Chee Series E Complete Set plus dozens of singles
17) 1939-40 O-Pee-Chee Complete Set plus dozens of singles
18) 1940-41 O-Pee-Chee Complete Set plus dozens of singles
19) 1950s through the 1980s unopened packs, display boxes, and associated memorabilia, especially at Bobby Burrell's booth
20) 1951-52 through 1963-64 Parkhurst Complete Sets and thousands of singles
21) 1952 Topps #311 Mickey Mantle -- At least 6 total singles
22) 1954-55 and 1957-58 through 1968-69 Topps Complete Sets and thousands of singles
23) 1960s through the 21st Century uncut sheets of trading cards ranging from hockey to nonsport
24) 1964 Topps CFL complete wax box
25) 1966-67 Topps Bobby Orr -- reasonably priced singles at several condition levels
26) 1966-67 Topps Test Bobby Orr Mint 9
An informal dinner get-together was also held Saturday evening with various forum members in attendance. Best wishes to all and we genuinely hope that more board members will take advantage of the 2nd Network 54 Hockey dinner in November -- time and location TBA.
Yes MW, it was a great show with lots of people in attendance. Many wonderful items show up at the Expo and it was a fun time for all.
I think you over-looked one of the shows greatest items that came through the doors... A double set uncut sheet of 1962 Parkhurst!!!
Also mentioned was the Steamer Maxwell card, this is a baseball issue and isn't hockey related, just the player is related to hockey. Similar to Lacrosse players who also played hockey...
I did bring in my display box collection on Saturday plus my other friends at the booth who brough in some of their boxes like: 1957 Parkies, 1958 Topps, 1967 Topps Canadian Baseball, 1967 Topps etc...
I have also heard of the Lalonde salesman's sample, but didn't know that it was numbered. Does anyone know what kind of price that card sold for? I would love to see one, and own one!
I'm glad to hear some positive things about the Expo. For someone like me from the middle of the U.S. I'm sure that it would be a great show. Especially compared to what I have seen around here for the past 10-15 years!
I was wondering how the expo was for vintage autographs? I would mean guys mostly from the first half of the 20th century. I am considering going up one of these days, but I want to make sure it is worth it.