The Yzerman scan was stolen from this auction ....i'm sure the others were stolen too. I'm going to report it,but i'll need some help .... there's no way we can allow this scumbag to continue this fraud!!!
you guys are being to hard on this guy,he has a 100% feedback!!! maybe he takes photos from other auctions that match his description because he does not have a camera to do it with. i bet he gets a positive feedback for that lot!!! sorry but i will not talk bad about someone that has a 100% feedback!!!
Donald,
I can't believe you said that.
Come on man.
If that is the case the guy should say that "Photos are not of the exact cards for sale"
or something like that.
I don't see that in his listing...anywhere
This kind of misrepresentation should not be allowed.
Check the feedbacks, all from sellers. I could build a 100+ feedback rating for $1! I could go and buy all those .01$ recipes for drinks and desserts if I really wanted to build a perfect feedback. I just think its fishy that EVERY SINGLE PICTURE he has in this lot is a different background and EVERY SINGLE PICTURE he has for his other auctions are all different backgrounds as well, to fishy for me.
guys he just sold some big ticket items that i spotted in his completed items *example-(Patrick Roy psa 10 rookie card opc).the best thing to do is see what feedbacks he gets soon for those items and the auction item andrew mentioned in this thread then draw your conclusions.
the bad will come out but if he is ok then he is still 100%.bottom line is,ebay will not do nothing for now unless one of the buyers are unhappy.
The only thing that this auction demonstrates is that the guy is lazy; or doesn't own a scanner. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who puts out almost a grand without doing their due diligence on something like this - i.e. contact the buyer (maybe ask why his scans are of cards not in a "portfolio" as he notes), ask for more scans etc. - deserves to get screwed. And he deserves to not get top dollar for being vague and lazy. Everyone gets what they deserve, it's a great market is eBay.
If you're taking scans from other auctions when you're selling older cards, you're misrepresenting what you're selling. Almost no older OPC card looks the same (centering, edges, etc...)
The Roy RC that was in the 4-set auction looks fake to me, by the way...
Ok first thing COPY RIGHT if the pic is my then you DO not have the right to use it with out asking me first. 2nd donald if you were buying a psa card from him would you like it if he sent you a diff pas card but of the same player and grade? i dont think you would be to happy some psa 8's look like 7 or even 6's you guys all spend big bucks so Im sure you would like to get what you see in the scan. 3rd dont be fooled by 100 percent feedback that means **** sure i can get about 12 pals to give me great feedback on high ticket cards and buy a few cards get my feedback up to 80 or even 120+ bulid trust and then do about 100K in sales and see you later its been done befor. dont be a sucker. by the way good job to the person who found this you may have saved someone a lot of money.
Frank you are bang on here!
I am very surprized by some of the member coments regarding this seller.
I am very shocked at the members who somehow can defend this practise and think it is OK to copy other photos and pass them off as their card.
The term "buyer beware" is in play here but the bottom line is that this guy is misleading his potential customers.
I would be very unhappy if I bought a PSA 8 OPC Gretzky rookie that had what I thought smooth edges only to get a PSA 8 with a rough cut edge.
The photo seen should always be 100% of the time the actual card sold!!!Period!
Thanks for this guys....ran across your postings when I was going through my store stuff.....Considering this was MY auction for this card I am going to be doing a little looking into this. Thanks to all for the heads up!!
The problem with stealing scans is that no 2 cards are exactly alike. This is especially true with raw cards. As a buyer you trust the scans and your naked eye to judge whether or not you wish to bid. If you see a scan with 3 sharp corners and 1 with a tiny bit of wear, you might decide to bid. Once the cards arrive, you may find that the card has 3 worn corners and horrible centering. You are getting the same card, but not the actual card that you bid on!
This practice is fine if the guy is selling a DVD, or a set of steak knives. As long as these are in usable condition, the buyer isn't as concerned with the details of every corner. (They also aren't spending hundreds of dollars on these items.) If I bid on a card and received a different card in the mail, I would consider it misrepresentation on the part of the seller.
I can't see how anyone who collects vintage cards, including cards from the 1980's, wouldn't have a problem with an auction that posted scans of cards that weren't actually the ones for sale! It would be different if the buyer wanted to send me a mint card when I only bid on an ex/mint card, but that is usually not the case.
At the same time, I would not bid on an auction that did not include clear scans of the key cards.
I guess some people are willing to trust what they read. The old story "my dad gave me these cards and I put them away 25 years ago" has become cliche' and most collectors avoid those auctions.
MISREPRESENTATION AT IT'S FINEST FOLKS .....this guys a young rocket whats his face in the making ....the negatives will pile up fast ...
Note: the Guy Lafleur PSA 8 he just sold ??? OHHHH but wait it's not an 8 as advertised ...it's an 8OC big difference small letters.Why the deception and why the private auction?? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Buy/Sell/Trade Area Collector Links. I think jim should add a (BEWARE OF SELLER area) were you can report funny crap like this hey maybe even use it as our own feeback for vintage hockey good&bad.? what do you think?
eBay has created a virtual environment that largely mimics our former real life environment for buying cards. Many dealers with 10-20 years experience misrepresent their cards through overgrading or deceptive descriptions. Grading companies were created out of this sense of mistrust well before the online market had been established.
I have no faith left in the occasional private collector that sells on eBay, nor do I have faith left in the average eBay seller to give an accurate description of the cards they are selling.
Unless a buyer was a seasoned collector, he or she was taken advantage of whenever possible in the pre-eBay days, and that minority shrinks as eBay becomes the marketplace of choice for most people, as even a seasoned collector can be screwed by an added set of circumstances.
I'd like to hear who people feel are the best sellers on eBay, mail order, or at shows. Something a little more positive than just crucifying the thieves of eBay.
When it comes to who helps me out the most (the cards I need and they have them) my big three sellers would be BMW Sportscard, DMD Classics and AJ Sportscards. When it comes to whos most helpful (they remember who I am and treat me very well with respect and honesty) DMD and BMW are my picks.
Besides these guys I only buy from people who I have dealt with many times, a couple from this board.
1. Definitely not; on the basis of this new evidence he is incredibly stupid.
2. Regardless of the first auction, it took me two seconds to read his description where he admits that the card pictured is not the one he is selling ("picture was same pic but not good serial number" - this doesn't even make sense) so if someone paid $1200 for it and then said "What the hell is this ?" when it arrived I would say yes; since they would have proven that they are even stupider.
Maybe "deserves to get screwed" was a little harsh; "undeserving of sympathy" would have been a better choice of words; I would submit that change to my prior post.
Have you ever bought a card for $1000+ without reading the description ?
