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Defining Vintage

February 13 2008 at 12:54 AM
  (Login jwall22)

I just wrote this article for my hockey card blog [http://blogforhockeycards.blogspot.com], and I wouldn't mind getting some discussion on it. The article concerns what actually defines vintage hockey cards.


I like vintage. I like vintage more than modern, although that isn't to say that I don't like modern at all. Both have different qualities that make each attractive, but I like the attractive qualities of vintage more. So what are the attractive qualities of vintage? And what is defined as vintage anyway?

Let's answer the second question first. I think in the world of hockey cards the popular definition of vintage is anything prior to the 1990-91 brand explosion. Collectors who deal in pre-war cards will probably place the date of vintage much earlier, maybe even in the pre-war era. I don't agree with such a radical definition of vintage, because I believe everything up to at least the early 1970s qualifies as vintage.

It makes sense that there are different eras of vintage, but to get collectors as an entirety to agree on the borders of these eras would be difficult. I would argue that there are probably four distinct eras of card collecting, three of them vintage: first, the pre-war era of 1910 to 1939; second, the post-war Parkhurst era of 1951 to 1967; third, the O-Pee-Chee era from 1968 to 1989; and fourth, the modern era, from 1990 to current.

These definitions are clearly problematic. I think the most clear cut of the four are the first and last. Pre-war cards mean everything printed before the Second World War. 1910-11 is just the earliest season for hockey cards that I'm aware of, although any cards printed before that would be considered in that category. For the fourth category, modern, it's the same, but in reverse: anything printed after 1990 is modern. Someone might make the argument that there is a new era of memorabilia cards that began around the turn of the new century, but I think that's just an extension of the insert craze of the 1990s, thus fitting cards from the last ten years in the continuous 1990-to-present category.

The second category, the post-war Parkhurst era of 1951 to 1967, is fairly clear cut, but is not without it's problems. The biggest problem is with the era of 1939 to 1951. I doubt there were any cards printed at this time, but if it turned out there was even one small food set printed somewhere during this period, it would throw this category out of whack. Any cards printed around World War II would probably fit into the post-war category, but it is problematic if cards like this actually exist.

A second problem with the Parkhurst category is that Parkhurst stopped printing cards after the 1963-64 set. I've extended the era to 1967 because the first year O-Pee-Chee printed cards after World War II under the OPC brand name was in 1968, and I see the third era as being defined by the existence and popularity of OPC. The third era could begin in 1964 rather than 1968, which makes sense because it was the end of Parkhurst and only Topps cards, printed by OPC in Canada, were made until OPC had their own brand again for the 1968-69 season. On the other hand, if you refer to the third era in name as only the post-war era, that Parkhurst stopped printing cards in 1963 is moot, although Parkhurst cards would remain the salient feature of the era.

The third category is the most problematic. First, because of the reasons I've already outlined with regards to when the post-war era ends and the OPC era begins. Second, because OPC produced cards dating back to 1933, and the Topps cards printed in 1954-55 until 1968-69 were actually made by OPC, so referring to the third category as the OPC era may be a misnomer. However, the names of the categories are used only for labeling. The specific name of the era makes no different as to what is actually in that era of cards, so whatever anyone decides to call these various eras doesn't matter.

Another problem is that OPC continued to print cards until, I believe, 92-93, although with the introduction of OPC Premier in 1990-91 I would argue that OPC entered into the modern era, and there is no blur between the OPC era and the modern era, as 1990 is the distinct border between the two. Some would also argue that the third era begins with the introduction of the Topps USA Test set in 1966-67, as that would be the introduction of hockey cards to the U.S. market. The problem with this definition is that OPC did not begin it's own brand until 1968-69, so the 1967-68 Topps set would end up as an extraneous part at the tail end of the second era, or the early beginning of the third era.

These complicated definitions of eras are how I look at vintage cards. Why do I like vintage so much? None of it is junk. There's a lot of junk in the modern era. Maybe most modern cards are junk. I like modern cards, but the appeal of having something special when owning a modern card is not the same as the appeal with vintage. There are no rare modern cards, there is only artificially induced rarity via serial-numbering. A pristine Bobby Orr rookie is rare, not because Topps limited it to ninety-nine copies, but because it's hard to find that card in top notch condition. It's rarity isn't artificial, it's genuine.

There's also an innocence with old cards that does not exist with modern. I dislike people who buy modern cards thinking they are going to make money. If all they care about is money, why not just invest it in mutual funds? If you're main goal is to make money, why are you even buying hockey cards? And if you really believe that hockey cards are a better investment than any other financial vehicle, why not sink your lifesavings into unopened packs of The Cup? No one does that, though, because it's silly.

Of course, there are people who invest in vintage cards as well, but at least that seems more practical because vintage holds its value over the course of time. That still doesn't mean it's a good investment, but I think that it means at the very least you'll get most of your money back if you decide to sell your collection. Overall, I think vintage has more long-lasting appeal than modern issues, just because there's too many modern cards available, and rarity of modern cards is merely artificial.

 
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BobbyBHockey
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Vintage

February 13 2008, 9:03 AM 

Vintage is an evolving word and is characterized by excellence, maturity, with enduring appeal; classic.

Depending when you are born, vintage will have a different meaning in relationship to cards. Although anything 18 years or old could be defined as vintage. 18 being the life spawn of maturity and I think we are all 18 in our own minds.

If you were born in 1980 and you remember at 9 years old opening a pack and getting a Sakic rookie card, those vintage memories are no more relevant of those who were born a decade or two earlier, so vintage is more of a personal thing than can be generally defined.

Those born in the 1990's will one day have their vintage too and so on.

Vintage is a state of mindset and I don't think it can define a particular era or be broken down into a classification.

For a vintage collector I am, be in 1989 wax to 1889 memorabilia.

Bobby

 
 

donald
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vintage

February 13 2008, 9:38 AM 

jeremy i really like your views they have good reasoning behind each grouping.

personally i consider vintage to be 1910 to 1989-90 as this was the true wax era of hockey cards and memorabilia.to me it was the true age of innocence where companys would just sell the pack to have cards as a bonus along with your tasty gum and once in awhile have inserts.

"Maybe most modern cards are junk. I like modern cards, but the appeal of having something special when owning a modern card is not the same as the appeal with vintage. There are no rare modern cards, there is only artificially induced rarity via serial-numbering. A pristine Bobby Orr rookie is rare, not because Topps limited it to ninety-nine copies, but because it's hard to find that card in top notch condition. It's rarity isn't artificial, it's genuine." this saying took the words right out of my mouth,well said jeremy!

 
 

(Login strohman)

Vintage

February 13 2008, 10:22 AM 

We have discussed this same issue in the past, and it's a very interesting topic. I started collecting back in the early 90's and in the beginning I bought cards that were modern at the time--early 90's Upper Deck.

After a year or so I started buying 80's OPC cards, and from there I made the jump to 50's and 60's cards. I called anything from the 50's and 60's vintage for a long time. I have now gotten into pre-war cards, and that era is also referred to as vintage, although the sets are very different.

I think that many of us see that there are different periods of hockey cards, which could easily have different names to describe the era. Comic Books have different names for the various time periods, but those names haven't been established in hockey cards yet.

Personally, I have a hard time considering 70's and 80's cards as "vintage" the same way that 1951 Parkhurst card or 1910 tobacco card is vintage. The game was different on those eras, and the cards were different, but there is a definite line after the 1989 OPC set. Although we may not discuss the 1990 Upper Deck or 1990 OPC Premier set, those sets certainly were groundbreaking at the time, and have changed hockey cards ever since. They weren't flashy, shiny or covered with glitter like most cards today, but the material and laser cut edges were a dramatic jump from the cards of the previous year.

Good post, Jeremy! What is the address of your blog?

Earl

 
 

Anonymous
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"Vintage" defined

February 13 2008, 12:07 PM 

I quickly looked up a definition for vintage on an online dictionary. A few descriptions were interesting.

"representing the high quality of a past time."
"old-fashioned or obsolete"
"being the best of its kind"


Depending on your point of view one of the three descriptions will best suit vintage and that is why there is so much debate on what is vintage. If we don't care for old cards then we say they are "old fashioned or obsolete." If we love vintage cards then we adhere to one of the other two defintions.

I must say that I enjoy both vintage and modern cards no matter what the print run. I collected cards as a kid because I liked getting cards of Bossy, Trottier, Dryden, Lafleur and Gretzky because they were the "current" stars. I collect Kovalchuk, Spezza, Crosby and Ovechkin for the same reason. They are the "current" stars now. Essentially I collect cards now for the same reason I collected cards as a kid.

By the way good article.

Dean

 
 
Anonymous
(Login jwall22)

Re: Defining Vintage

February 13 2008, 1:32 PM 

It's http://blogforhockeycards.blogspot.com. I've just started updating it again.

 
 

(Login Rhino131313)

Re: Defining Vintage

February 13 2008, 3:15 PM 

I take modern as 1980 and above. That's because I collected cards in the 70's and around 1980 I grew up and stopped. I restarted collecting during my mid life crisis in my late 30's, when my kids started to buy modern.

By the way have you invested in mutual funds lately? You are losing more investing in them, than in modern hockey cards.


 
 

Gilles
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Re: Defining Vintage

February 13 2008, 3:17 PM 

>Depending when you are born, vintage will have a different meaning in relationship to cards.<

I couldn't agree more with Bobby.

First year I collected as a kid was 73'- 74' OPC.

I remember walking in a stamp and cards store runned by an old fellow.

I could buy 5 cards for 2 cents or sell 10 cards for a penny. I've bought a bunch of 60's and
early 70's used cards that would not grade over 4 today. But the fun of digging into these boxes
full of old cards trying to find the stars of these days!

Based on my age, Becketts pricing and the general cards business, I would define sub-periods of hockey's vintage years as following:

- 1910 to 1938 Pre-WWII era
- 1951 to 1963 Parkhurst era
- 1964 to 1979 Early OPC era (Pre-Gretzky)
- 1980 to 1989 Late OPC era

From 1990, the era of card manufacturers flooding the market began. Large quantities of nicer cards printed from better printing processes. The world knows that hockey cards can have a value. Throwing them on the walls or snapping them into a bicycle wheel is no longer a normal usage. No more gum in the package and prices go up from $0.25 to $2.50 in a few years... The cards manufacturers are now artificially creating investment value by inserting limited quantities of certain cards or using different artifices.

That's my take,


Gilles

 
 

BobbyBHockey
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Ages

February 13 2008, 4:07 PM 

As someone said the comic book ages could be incorporated into the vintage scale.

Such as:

Platium Age - 1910-1929

Golden Age - 1930-1949

Silver Age - 1950-1969

Bronze Age - 1970-1989

Modern Age - 1990-present

It actually works well because of the great seperation between the issues that were released through these times.

Bobby

 
 

(Login jwall22)

Re: Defining Vintage

February 16 2008, 9:46 PM 

Thanks for the feedback. It's interesting that we all may disagree on specific years, but the way we see the eras are very similar. There's no one with a radical opinion that only cards from before World War I are vintage, or that everything from the 20th century is vintage, or something like that.

 
 
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