Hello All,
This is my first post. I've been out of the hobby for several years and I am currently selling off some of my collection. I picked up this 55-56 Tim Horton card back in the early 90's and I'm having a hard time finding any info about it. I believe it's an error card, it's card #3 and the word DEFENSE is upside down, see the pic. If anyone has info on the card, please let me know. Thanks in advance.
Mark

Maybe a Russian version !!??

can you post a scan of the back of the card.

if it has a green write up on the back maybe you have a quaker oats premium card with an error on the front?

Interesting card. I too would like to see the back. Jim.

OK, I'll post a picture of the back this evening. It has red print and what appears to be a wax stain.

Hi,

I have seen one of these before at the Expo in Toronto in the eary 90's. So unless this is the one I seen at the Expo there is more than 1 out there. Not sure of its rarity but this is only the second version I have seen, but then again I have only seen 20 or so Horton's over the years.

Rob

This ones got me stumped .... i'm trying to invision an old printing plate and the process .....
how could it possible for the defense to be inverted without the Horton being flipped too ???

weird .....

Here's a picture of the back

hey mark,thanks for posting the back of the card.your right it is a parkhurst card.

except for the wax/gum stain at the back it shure looks like an exmt-nrmt card to me.

is it graded as it seems like you have it incased in a graded holder?

depending on how the collector collects,they may like the error or they may not like it.
i think it is a neat error card and it does not take away from a nice looking card. you should not have a problem getting about $150+ for the card based on what i see.good luck.

I'm a Horton fan and I would think that anyone would be happy to own an error card, especially one that most of us have never seen or heard of!

It's too bad about the wax stain, but is this error card is as rare as it seems, most collectors won't mind.

Thanks for posting the scan. It's great to see something that most of us never knew existed!

Good Luck selling your cards!

Thanks everybody for your responses! This is a great forum, I just stumbled across it and I'm having fun browsing all of the topics. I'm sure I've met some of you long ago when I was collecting. It's nice to be back in the hobby, although it's not as fun selling than buying. Someday I hope to return to the latter, but need to support the kids for now Here's a picture of my only pre-war card left, another rare one:



Anyone seen one of these before?

Thanks again,
Mark

"is it graded as it seems like you have it incased in a graded holder?"

No, it's not graded. Way back I purchased some holders from, I think it was Accugrade. I was considering getting it graded. It is in really nice shape other than the wax stain.

mark that is a very rare 1920's anonymous card.

there is still a lot left to discover and research for this set but no exact name or producer of the set yet!

first time i ever saw this card,thanks for posting it!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome Mark:I can't go off sounding like a veteran in this forum as I've only been a member myself for a couple of weeks. Thanks a lot for this post, it is very interesting. I've only been a vintage collector for about 10 years so I'm a rookie compared to a lot of these guys. The only time I've ever even seen a regular Horton card in this set is from scans on E-bay. It is one of hundreds of vintage cards that I am still pursuing. It is quite perplexing how only part of the printing on a card is upside down. The only thing I could figure is that they started to print, caught the mistake, stopped the print and corrected it and then finished the print. As for the wax stain. While any collector would rather have the card without it, it's not something that ever bothers me badly as I consider that part of the card's environment. It's the things that happen to a card after it leaves the pack that always turn me off like paper loss and writing and excessive wear from abuse. Yes Mark, I've only completed three vintage sets, the 59/60 Topps, the 61/62 Parkhurst and the 69/70 OPC but it's the thrill of the chase that makes this hobby so exciting. Welcome and good luck. Ted

A couple of points on the Horton card-

-The entire word "defense" is inverted, or upside down. The d's and the e's look normal but they too are inverted.
-Speculation on value is interesting, but if no one else has seen it on this forum, it is extremely rare. The 55-56 Parkhurst set is one of the most collectable sets in the hobby, and Horton is a Leaf HOF'er who is widely collected. If you want the most $$ for it, get it graded. Hopefully psa would identify it as an error, which would create even more interest.
-Wax stains on Parkhurst cards from that year are a part of life. You won't lose interest on this card because of the wax stain, although of course it would be nicer without it.

Regardless, it's a pretty cool card.

Nathanael

One could think this is a common error of the printing plate designers as they would have to do a DaVinci on all of the words, printing backwards can get the best of us mixed up at times.

Definately as Nathan said, printed a few sheets and pulled then corrected. Similar to the Brit Selby No-Trade.

We are finding many more of these type cards in our hobby as time goes on.

Here is another quandry.Possibly a preproduction card.

can you post an image of the back of that funky lumley card? That's friggin' sweet!

Nathanael,

As per my previous post I have seen this card before at the Toronto Expo in the mid 90's. Again not sure of the rarity.

Thxs, Rob

As I looked closer at the card, it almost seems like the number 3 is inverted too. It's hard to tell but it looks like the top of the 3 is bigger. Thanks again for all of your input. It's currently at SGC being graded, so we'll see how it comes back.

Mark

My apologies, Rob.