Hey Guys,

What opinions do people have what grades should be given to these type of cards, considering they are high grade?



Is there special consideration given by collectors to paying more or less for these variations??

I think stamped redemptions should be noted on the grade but take nothing of the technical grade. Punch hole redemptions drop the card to a 1 or to 'Authentic' in my mind. PSA is inconsistent in how they handle stamped redemptions. I have Paulins cards with a stamped redemption with no qualifier and an accurate grade and I have them with a grade plus a 'MK' qualifier. Tom Papa got Joe Orlando to agree to grade them noted as 'Stamped Redeemed' with no qualifier several years ago but they still put the qualifier on about 2/3s of the time.

I have an SGC Paulins with the punch hole and it's graded a SGC10 which I have no problem with.

As far as buying goes, I prefer unredeemed cards.

I hear you Mark, this is what happened with this card.



I am sure we all prefer cards without the remdemptions compared to those with but its a great example to have in your collection and only compliments the history of this set. Plus, having the actual date stamped on the back unlike other redemptions, truly makes its mark in history.

Stamp is okay but the hole punch does earn a low grade. I try to avoid buying those.

I have some Paulins cards that got the "death cut" where they clip the top corner. Those won't get anything but an authentic should I choose to grade them.

Unfortunately this issue almost always have a hole punch in them, not much you can do about it but it would seem that different companies did various stamps, cuts and punch holes in the redeemed cards.

Its a shame the companies butchered them all. It would have been smarter for them to make a mark on just one of the cards in the set. (If the redemption required a full set)

That said you're right that the stamp on the back is a piece of history in and of itself.

Holland Creameries did the same, imagine finding a SP Connie Neil without the redemption. Funny how they chose the Coach/Manager to be the short print.

On the Holland Creameries cards, I think there will be a date change coming soon!! I think they are earlier than are documented.

Anyone else ever thought this too?..

Bobby

About 8 years ago, I picked up a group of V145-1 cards from a dealer in Canada that had a stamp of a man with a dog. I had never heard of these before but won 16 of these cards with this stamp on the back. I copied his explanation from his listing and here it is:

1923-24 William Paterson V145-1
Leprechaun
Redemption Stamp
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The Leprechaun ( aka: Bulldog, Purple Shamrock)
was a redemption stamp placed on the back of
the card after a complete set was redeemed for a prize.

After a card was stamped it was then disposed of.

The thing about this promotional contest was the
company short-printed #25 Bert Corbeau, a card so
rare that its not even listed for a price in the
Charlton Standard Catalogue of hockey cards.
(It just says extremely rare instead of the value)

This would make it next to impossible to easily finish
the set and would make the customer buy more
product to try and finish the set to get the prize ( not known ).

Because there were so few #25's not many sets were redeem.
Which means not many cards were stamped with
the famous Leprechaun.
Since the company had no more use for the
redeemed sets, most were destroyed

I have heard over the years rumors of the existence
of these cards but had never seen them....until now!

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I scanned the back of a few of the darker ones (most are quite faded) and enhanced them as best I could with my scanner. Has anyone out there ever heard or seen these before?

Thanks,

Craig

Thats a first for me.

Can't say its a joke, but I'm inclined to think some kid had fun with a stamper and the seller made up a fun story.

Maybe someone with more knowledge then I can chime in.