I think this has been discussed before, but can someone explain how one can distinguish the C59 and C60 sets? Is it the case that one set has 98 cards, and the other 100? I have seen "checklists" for the 2 sets that suggest player cards numbered 1-98 in each set are identical (player "a" is on card 1 in each set, player on card 2,etc.) Is this correct, and, if not, does anyone here have correct checklists for the C59 and C60 sets? I have the C61 checklist already. Thanks!! David
I will partially answer my own question. 1910 Lacrosse cards (C60) are slightly longer than 1911 (C59) cards. Also, the backs are different. C56 and C60 cards have a simpler typed "headline" on the back, whereas C55 and C59 cards have more elaborate print on their back "headline." I still don't know about the checklists. Help?
The reverses are the best way to distinguish quickly. The C60 has the simpler "crossed sticks" at the top design. The C59 has much more elaborate print on the reverse.
I believe the checklists are not "exactly" the same, but almost the same with one set having a few additional cards. But if I recall correctly, the first 90-some cards in each set have the same front design and the same numbering for the players.
I am working on the C60 set and had a hard time finding a checklist. I finally found it on the PSA set registry. Look under the hockey section, they have a checklist for the C59's and C60's.
me and bobby recently discussed these lacrosse vintage cards and i have labelled the photo below to show the differences.i included a super rare blank back proof that i recently got authenticated by SGC (this could be a proof for both the C60 and C59 cards).the proof is a one of one and i may save it for a big auction house like legendary for the future. you can also see that SGC has 1911 with C60,it should be 1910 for the year.
as you can see i picked the DADE card for an example and he has a different colour on the front of the card but the same # within each set.the backs are totally different.
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This message has been edited by danthevintageman on Nov 18, 2009 9:19 PM This message has been edited by danthevintageman on Nov 18, 2009 9:17 PM
Great info, guys!! Question-when did these come out? Info on both issues seems to be the same. Were they released concurrently, and if not which came first, and how much later was the second issue?
C60 came out in 1910-11 season
C59 came out in 1911-12 season
notice they did not change the years on the back making it confusing to the collector.
it was so confusing that when the first book that desinated the card codes in the early years called the C60 1910-11 and the C59 1911-12,you would think it would be the other way around.
even SGC and PSA get these cards mis-labeled all the time.
when bobby had the famous printing stone for a short while,he and i both saw the lacrosse C60 1910 cards along with the C56 1910 hockey cards on the same stone,so we know it is from that same year.
This message has been edited by danthevintageman on Nov 18, 2009 9:13 PM
It would seem to me that the C60 blank back proof is from the first year 1910, because they used the same image for the second years card, why would they need a proof if the original was complete...
This is the only known lacrosse, let alone only known Canadian proof from this era ever found. I know they are some that are found in the T206 baseball.
Certainly one of the most significant Canadian finds for early proof cards!
Interesting that PSA has both the C59 and C60 as being issued in 1910. The reasoning is that all the images are the same with the exception of the coloring being slightly different on the front and the back design is also different. I would like to find some confirmation that these sets were issued in the different years of 1910 and 1911 and pass this information on to PSA. The printing stones that have been discussed is the most important supporting evidence that C60 was issued in 1910 and C59 in 1911. I am actuall working on these sets as well as the C61.