All the collectnuts!! autographs are now withdrawn
October 31 2011, 5:21 PM
All the cuts, team sheets, and pictures from collectnuts!! that ended up in the Classic auction have now been withdrawn. I know people raised concerns to Marc and Frank, myself included, and it looks like they are finally out of the auction.
He is a seller on eBay. We had a discussion of his autographs on the boards in the May/June timeframe. He is the one that is selling/has sold a great deal of difficult autographs (3 Hap Holmes, 2 Frederic McLaughlin, etc.) that have all been "clean cuts" with no other signatures around them, which usually is tough to come by, especially in older autographs where things were usually signed on team signed sheets. Classic bought some of his autographs from eBay and then either bought some more privately or had them consigned.
In the Classic auction, he had multiple team signed sheets, cuts, and a few team signed pictures. Again, the thing that jumped out at me was the fact that even on the team signed sheets, there was no overlap. Not one autograph overlapped, which I have never seen before and now we see it on 5+ different team signed sheets. Also, as mentioned in an above post, the way letters were formed on a multiple of signatures and the lack of looping on some signatures raised concerns for me. Additionally, on one Red Wings signed sheet (lot 133), it seems as if Eddie Wares did not remember how to spell his last name as it is spelt "Wases" on the sheet. Though the lots are withdrawn, you can still see this in the catalogue. When I first saw the auction, I went through and could pick out every single one of the autographs that came from this seller just based on the tendencies I have seen from his auctions. That should just not happen, especially when there are upwards of 50+ items.
Now, I am not saying all of the autographs are definitely fake, but adding everything up, I am glad that Classic is taking a better look. I have been told they are sending the autographs in to a "third party authenticator". Many of us know that the third party authenticators are not the experts when it comes to vintage hockey autographs, so I still have some reservations and am interested to see what comes of this.
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I would like to believe that forgers and fakers have been kept busy with other interests to not bother with historical hockey figures. But it appears fakes are now part of the hockey hobby. We will have to be very careful from now on.
A question on signed index cards. I know it was common many years ago for players in other sports, such as baseball, to sign index cards for collectors. But I don't recall it being a common practice amongst hockey collectors until around the 1970's. What are the thoughts on when it became a common practice for hockey players to sign blank index cards?
Common practice, I don't really know. It is tough to pinpoint when collecting hockey autographs became more "mainstream", but I know of collectors that sent to players in the late 50s/early 60s. Many of the ones I have seen from that timeframe were given a special stamp, giving the player a line to sign on and a place to fill in below where he had played or worked. So they were not blank. In my collection, I have vellum cards, about the size of business cards, that were used for in person autographs all the way back in the 1910s, with the autograph on the front and the name of the player, date it was signed, and the place on the back. I also have some other cardstock cards that were many different colors and were a little smaller than 3x5 that were used for mailing players in the 60s.