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24 HOURS UNTIL GENEVA OPENS - LAST MINUTE PREP WORK?

February 28 2005 at 3:17 AM
Mac 

Hey everyone!

The Geneva show opens to the press TOMORROW MORNING, and to the general public on the 3rd!

When this happens, I am hoping we will be able to use the "global media power" of this forum to say something concrete to the world about this car, I mean moreso than just a bunch of our discussions about how Fiat's plans for it are driving us insane...

This forum returns AT THE TOP in Google and near the top in Yahoo etc for searches on "Fiat X1/99" and "X1/99" etc, so I am thinking we ARE going to have significant traffic from the "world at large" who might go looking for info as soon as this car starts grabbing some attention at the show. We don't need any "official" involvement / display as was suggested at one point, our forum will be seen regardless, so what last minute things should we be tossing up here before tomorrow?

I am thinking, maybe consolidate everything we have discussed so far and boil it down into a simple and straight forward list of "OUR DEMANDS" (for lack of a better label)? Something like:

* IF IT IS TO BE MARKETED AS "X1/*" IT MUST BE MID-ENGINED.

IF IT IS NOT MID-ENGINED IT MUST NOT BE MARKETED AS "X1/*".

FIAT SHOULD NOT PRODUCE THE CAR UNTIL A MID-ENGINE PLATFORM CAN BE USED.

IF FRONT ENGINED (199) PLATFORM, NAME PRODUCTION CAR "PUNTO TF" OR ANYTHING UNRELATED TO X1/9.

IF MID-ENGINE PLAN ARISES, CAR SHOULD RECEIVE PRE-PRODUCTION DESIGN REVISIONS TO MORE CLEARLY REFLECT X1/9 LINEAGE.

IF IN-HOUSE MID-ENGINE PLATFORM IS NOT FEASABLE, CONSIDER ALLIANCE WITH AN EXISTING PLATFORM HOLDER (Lotus Elise? GM VX220?)


Any more that we can think of or pull from previous discussions, that would represent "majority enthusiast opinion" on the car as these do?

I may set up some sort of an online petition based on these sort of "concrete suggestions" (that is what Fiat says they want, so let's give it to them!) and link it into this forum so when the show opens any and all passers-by who would agree with enthusiast views can sign on. Fiat is already watching this site. If they would not heed our words, they would at least have a CLEAR understanding of just how many people they will be enraging if they move forward with marketing a "front engine X1/9 successor", if nothing else, we should be heard.

What was it our friend said? If we can speak in a single voice, FIAT WILL HEAR THAT VOICE? I don't think THIS is quite what he had in mind (!!!) but no matter what we are saying they will hear it.

Any more things to consider for adding to the list?

Any other ideas as to what we might want to do here asap in preparation for Geneva?

I'm open to suggestions -Mac

 
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Mac

ALSO, ideas for more "opinion polls"?

February 28 2005, 3:37 AM 

There is one opinion poll up right now, the "New X Name & Engine Poll"

Any ideas for other polls? Other things that could be graphically illustrating where we as a global group are coming from?

Again open to suggestions -Mac

 
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How about...

February 28 2005, 5:36 AM 

How about a poll of the various physical-features of the X1/9 (mid-engine layout, targa-roof, "wedge" design, pop-up headlights etc etc etc) so people can chose the one single feature which (for them) most epitomises the original X1/9.

It's difficult to chose one single feature of the X1/9 which makes it the X1/9 but it would help reiterate our (collective) point that the "X1/9" name is inextricably linked to certain tangible design-features from which it cannot be divorced.

 
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Mac

Good idea, but if those were the choices...

February 28 2005, 5:57 AM 

... I can not imagine anything - even the targa - outweighing "MID ENGINE"

It is a good idea though, maybe better if the engine arrangement were left out of this one. It's already pretty well illustrated that we want a mid-engine in the other poll, but this is otherwise a very good suggestion, as it would show what people consider "MUST HAVE" features for any modern X...

Then again, if "mid engine" were off the list, I think "targa" would be the next dominator! Hm, this is a good idea, it should be tweaked a bit though, for example, I don't think pop-up headlights would even be legal anymore, so there is not much point in including them.

Suggestions for items to include in this list? -Mac

 
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just remember the lines fellas

February 28 2005, 9:04 AM 

as with so many other car-design evolutions, the X could just end up like a fat-chick with only a passing resemblence to the hotness she once was.

just so we don't fergit those lines...





















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PERFECT! Spoken like a true Enthusiast! <nt>

February 28 2005, 9:06 AM 


 
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Mac

*Petition* - how does this look?

February 28 2005, 8:30 AM 

I whipped it up straight through, based on everything that has been said here again and again, and tossed it up there for review.

Is this acceptable?

http://www.petitiononline.com/xwebx199/petition.html

Let me know what you think, or if it's ok, just sign it!

Peace, -Mac

 
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Mac

Some reference detail behind the origin and style of the Petition text

February 28 2005, 6:57 PM 

Background information regarding the Enthusiasts' Petition:

What we're attempting to do here is not AS MUCH to persuade Fiat to build a "new mid-engine X" (although that is how it is being presented, it never hurts to say what would be the best possible outcome, even if it is the least likely) as it really is to FIRST persuade them NOT to build a FRONT engine X, or, if they simply can not be stopped from doing that, to NOT name it anything with an X connection, since to enthusiasts it would not be a "legitimate" link by name alone.

As for the specific verbage of the petition, "shocked, outraged", all the gross capitalization etc, that was not my idea specifically, these were suggestions made by (don't laugh) a professional complaint writer. I am good at complaining (who isn't?) but not as good at writing a COMPLAINT LETTER, so I took a little advice. Main points were to start off with the strongest, most agressive descriptives as possible, then back off gradually to a more respectfully empassioned plea tone, capitalizing major key elements along the way. I've never done anything quite like this before so I have no clue as to whether any of that will be remotely effective, I'm just hoping it doesn't put more people off from signing it than it would draw people into reading it.

As for whether they would give a crap, well they may or they may not. We already know upper management at Fiat IS paying attention to our activities, and that attention is likely only to increase as this continues to grow and progress forward...

Matter of fact, the whole reason this petition exists is on the advice of someone very significant inside Fiat! This was before we found out the whole front engine thing though, so this person was giving us serious concrete advice as to the best ways to come at Fiat as a group of enthusiasts to express our collective views and be heard, maybe even taken seriously, hoping that we would all back the concept and help push Fiat Brass into seriously considering producing it.

Then the front engine detail was confirmed and the collective opinion did a 180, but all that sound advice from inside Fiat as to how to speak with "one voice", and make an impression the top Brass would be most likely to take serious note of, still applies regardless of whether we're shouting "Build it!" or "PLEASE DON'T!", so here we are...

At this point, the only way Fiat Brass will blow it off completely is if we fail to gather a relevant number of signatures, SO SPREAD THE WORD, GET ANYONE YOU KNOW WHO WOULD AGREE WITH US TO SIGN IT. If we can just gather a substantial enough number of signatures, it will begin to carry progressively more weight on that fact alone.

Will anything come of it? Who knows, I don't, but we stand to lose nothing, and potentially gain something, whether it's a mid-engine for the X1/99, or just stopping a "front engine X" and convincing Fiat the car should either be named something unrelated, or if that X link is unbreakable, that their "sporty budget volume front engine cash cow" lies elsewhere than in a front engine Punto in "spiritual X1/9"'s clothing. Would a mid-engine for the "NeXt1/9" be BEST? Yes, but ANY of those outcomes would be an improvement over what may happen if we don't make a stink.

When this all began, had you told me we would have the Designers of the X1/99 hanging out on Xweb participating in open discussion about all this, I would have thought you were NUTS (but they are!). Had you then told me that if we continued to bang this drum we would end up embroiled in intense back and forth email gyrations with very significant people inside Fiat in Turin about "what enthusiasts think", I would have said you were SMOKING CRACK!!! (but we did!). Had you said those people would have worked hard to convince me there are ways to get a "one voice" collective enthusiast message through to Fiat's TOP BRASS, and maybe even sway their way of thinking about what to do (or not) with this concept, I would have been calling the nice men in the white coats for you!! (but they did!)...

I don't know about you, but I see a trend forming there that is hard for me to ignore. After all that has happened so far, curiosity as to what the hell's going to possibly happen next alone is now compelling ME to continue!

One final note, despite that Xweb is hosted from inside North America, the petition and all these discussions are indeed quite global. There are a great many enthusiasts participating on Xweb, from ALL OVER the world, who care a great deal about what might come of this effort.

All we need is to rustle up as many signatures as possible, and keep this ball rolling. Even if nothing comes of it, it will be a hell of an interesting story to look back on afterward (it already is, and it's likely only to get stranger from here! )

Peace, -Mac


 
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