It would be a lot of work and, in my opinion, not worth the hazzle. You would have to polish the receiver and reblue it. Simply rebluing it would make them less obvious, but still visible.
Felipe
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I just didn't want it to be as noticeable and this did the trick.
The stock was a big sticking point for me and almost had me returning it but this thing is way too much fun. I can't believe how well it groups at 50yds! After shooting it all day, it still goes through the chrony at 1006-1010fps with CP lights and 974-980fps with Crow mags!
Good buy in my opinion so long as you don't mind doing a few tweaks but I will say, it performs as advertised.
Russ
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My rifle is the brazilian one, but the best speed I got (I only tried Beeman's Silver Ace and RWS Superdomes; I had Crow Mags and Super-H-Points, but did not chrony them) was (on average) about 815 fps. Now, I should point out that my gun is a year and a half old, and has about 8~10K shots through it, so the spring should not be all that it was when the gun was new... But compared to the just tuned Gamo Shadow 1000, it held its own quite well (only about 80 fps slower and grouped just as well). In any case, I'll chrony the crow mags and post my results when I get back from my Biz Trip.
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the ones made in Turkey are a completely different animal. I had mine apart tonight for a quick lube/tune and was impressed by the quality of the internals. One thing that suprised me was the weight of the piston and top-hat. It's no wonder these things have such a strong recoil! Before opening it I had entertained the thought of machining a lighter top-hat to reduce the recoil a bit but with the weight of the piston, I doubt it will make any difference at all. Still amazes me how powerful and accurate it is. After 1 tin of pellets it traps the chrony at 1010fps +/- 2fps. I suspect it will drop over time but as I stated earlier, it delivers what they advertise which is rare for any airgun it seems.
Curious to see what the minor tune does for the velocity. Will post results when I get the chance.
Enjoy your trip.
Russ
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Then the Turkish gun is defenetly stronger than the Brazilian one
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April 23 2006, 8:56 AM
I chronied my gun (Brazilian model), 20 shots per pellet type, and this is the results I got:
Shot #
RWS Superdome
RWS Super-H-Point
Beeman Crow Mags
Weight
8.30 Gr.
7.40 Gr.
8.80 Gr.
01
805.80 FPS
874.30 FPS
782.20 FPS
02
817.70 FPS
884.60 FPS
775.10 FPS
03
811.70 FPS
878.50 FPS
780.00 FPS
04
809.20 FPS
866.40 FPS
779.50 FPS
05
812.80 FPS
881.90 FPS
773.80 FPS
06
809.40 FPS
860.50 FPS
773.40 FPS
07
807.30 FPS
874.50 FPS
770.30 FPS
08
807.20 FPS
877.80 FPS
781.90 FPS
09
809.30 FPS
870.60 FPS
770.50 FPS
10
818.20 FPS
874.10 FPS
771.40 FPS
11
808.00 FPS
868.50 FPS
765.90 FPS
12
807.60 FPS
857.70 FPS
775.20 FPS
13
807.80 FPS
860.80 FPS
779.40 FPS
14
805.20 FPS
872.50 FPS
766.90 FPS
15
804.60 FPS
871.70 FPS
761.60 FPS
16
802.50 FPS
870.80 FPS
771.60 FPS
17
803.00 FPS
869.60 FPS
782.40 FPS
18
803.30 FPS
870.70 FPS
773.70 FPS
19
807.50 FPS
854.80 FPS
777.00 FPS
20
800.80 FPS
870.70 FPS
772.90 FPS
AVG
807.95 FPS
870.55 FPS
774.24 FPS
MIN
800.80 FPS
854.80 FPS
761.60 FPS
MAX
818.20 FPS
884.60 FPS
782.40 FPS
STD DEV
4.56 FPS
7.68 FPS
5.69 FPS
Power
12.03 Ft. Lbs.
12.46 Ft. Lbs.
11.72 Ft. Lbs.
Considering that the Turkish gun can proppel a 7.9gr. pellet at much higher speeds than my Brazilian gun can proppel a 7.4 pellet, it seems that the Turkish gun has significantly more power. In defence of the Brazilian gun, however, I do have to say that mine has quite a few pellets through it (at least 10 thousand), so the spring MUST have worn down some... Also in its defense, I have to say taht even at the above mentioned speeds, I was knocking down crows at 70 yards over Easter Weekend with RWS Superdomes, so it has plenty of power to get the job done, although the pellet trajectory probably has a more pronounced arc.
Felipe
PD: I am also gonna do the same tests with Beeman Kodiak Match, Beeman Field Target Specials, and Beeman Silver Ace pellets, as well as with RWS Supermags, but I have not had the time to do so at this point.
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will drop over time as the spring settles a bit. I will say that the recoil is tolerable and even neat so long as it is pushing pellets at these speeds and hitting what I am aiming for. I do suspect that I will experiment with piston weight as I suspect that there is plenty of room to play with here.
Russ
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I'll bet you get a nice and straight (and VERY flat) trajectory with that speed! I'm sure you're one happy hunter... But I cant complain; I really like my own rifle, and (even though the trajectory is not as flat as it should be on yours) it is a really accurate rifle.
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700fps in most cases but this makes for a great squirrel gun. I had low expectations for it initially but it certainly made me a believer! I've had it in the woods a few times since owning it and despite my initial dislike of the plastic stock, I enjoy the fact that I don't need to worry about scratching it on briars and such. It doesn't have the best manners compared to other guns that I own but to me it is a tool and as such I am only concerned with how effectively it does it's job.
Russ
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I also own a Gamo Shadow 1000, and that one has a synthetic stock, and you are right, it hurts less when you take it into the field (I tuned that one with a new Maccari spring and seal, and lathes a Delrin spring guide and Naval Brass top hat fitted to the new spring, and even like that, I am not reaching the figures you have on your Daisy Winchester 1000X, although I am getting about 100FPS more on that rifle than on my 1000X, which means that the Crow Mags are going out at about 870FPS, and that's not bad at all).
As for small game, I have gotten a couple of rabbits with mine, so squirls should be a piece of cake for you. I cannot take rabbits out at 70 yards like I do crows (well, they are not EXACTLY crows, but they look A LOT like them; its a different specias we get down here in Central America), but at 40 yards, they are dead meat!
In any case, much like you, when I first started shooting my gun, I was not so impressed, but after some work on it, I am most happy with my purchase. Like I told a friend of mine yesterday, I would not recommend this gun to a beginer who wants a good shooting gun out of the box, but I would most defenetly recomend it to someone who does not mind doing a bit of work on the gun, because it has TONS of potential if you work it right!
Felipe
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a Gamo 850. I recently tuned a S1k for someone and took it from 843fps stock (CPLs) to 970fps and smoothed it out nicely. My initial impression of that gun was pretty bad based on the lower than advertised velocity and terrible spring noise but they are another animal once tuned. Since the 850 has the same basic architecture as the S1k with a shorter barrel, I hope to make a 970fps half breed LOL.
Squirrels are actually harder targets than most rabbits in my experience. That is why I wanted a magnum springer for my squirrel habit. Very few shots past 30yds in my area due to heavy foliage and limited visibility but the higher velocity makes inclined shots easier and requires less hold under. It also allows me to run heavier pellets which means more humane kills. I had considered getting a wood stock for my 1000S but the plastic holds up well so far and I like the fact that it extends past the barrel pivot. Still wouldn't mind finding a Chinese stock that fits though. Perhaps a B20 variant might work.
Russ
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Hey Russ, I have a parts list here from daisy for the Winchester 1000x.
Awhile back I was considering getting a wood stock for my Daisy 1000s, so I had Daisy send me a parts list.
Unless the stock mounting has changed when they went to the longer 1 that covers the barrel hinge, I think the old stock will fit.
The part number for the stock is 138199-000. I can't remember but it seems to me that it sold for 30 or 40 bucks.
Try calling Daisy at 1-800-713-2479
Or Mail em' at:
Customer Service Dept.
Daisy Outdoor Products
P.O. Box 220
Rogers , AR 72757
Good Luck,
Ricson
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I think that would be most beneficial to a lot of people... I remember a couple of threads of people looking for new main springs and seals. By the way, is that part list for the Brazilian or Turkish versions? If you could scan it and place a picture, it would be great!
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Sorry Felipe, I have scanned it to a pdf file , but I can't get it to show up in the post.
I asked Daisy to send me a parts list for a daisy 1000s and they sent me one for the Winchester 1000x.
It is just a list of the external parts, trigger guard, front and rear site, mounting screws etc.So it won't be any help for internals.
I orderd a trigger guard and the 1 they sent was a direct replacement.I am not positive but the external parts should fit the one made in either country.
I am going to email it to you anyway as it's always good to have more info.
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Here in Panama, I ussually go hunting with both my D/W 1000X and the Gamo Shadow 1000. I find that both are about the same as far as accuracy goes, with the Gamo having a little advantage with regards to flatter trajectory and power (although not much; you can only tell by the number of clicks on the scope that need to be adjusted for long shots of 70 to 100 yards). i should point out that when I tuned the Winchester, the tune consisted only of cleaning and lubing the gun, as no replacements were made other than the trigger (to make it a non-adjustable 2-stage with less pull and a crisper let-off), but for the Gamo Shadow, I made a new Delrin spring guide, naval brass top hat, GTX trigger mod (2-stage adjustable), and James Maccari Tarantula spring and Apex seal, so it was a major tune. I still got the barrel cleaning to do on this gun, which I will hopefully finish off this week.
When I am hunting for Torcazas (see picture below; a type of pigeon that is ussually found on the top of tall trees), the angle for the shot is very steep. On the other extreme, hunting rabbits (both the traditional rabbits and the Conejo Pintado, a different species than rabbits, but of the same family) ussually require a long shot on the horizontal plane. Both animals tend to require long shots, as they are both scared easily. Crows (and not really crows either, but a different species that we get here that looks a lot like a smaller crow) are ussually shot on a downward angle, as I ussuall hunt them at my beach house, and this sits atop a small hill, with the trees below the ground level of the house.
For hunting rabbits, I prefer the Gamo because of the flatter trajectory, and the fact that the stock is synthetic, which is better for this kind of hunting, as it requires being on the ground a lot. It is also better for night hunting because of its color (dark gray). But I like the Winchester better for the nice looks it has (although it is heavier, so it wears you out faster on the field).
This is how a torcaza looks like:
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with some good hunting there. Would love to hear more about your hunting experiences and some of the different species you have.
Most of my angled shots occur when hunting squirrels in the trees. They are usually too active on the ground so it is often best to spook them into a tree where they feel safe before taking a shot. I've gotten more of them in trees than on the ground but each species is different.
I don't hunt birds very often but Starlings are an exception. They tend to be rather hard on some of the desireable song birds and there are no limits on them.
Russ
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We get some rabbits and Conejo Pintado, Iguanas, Torcazas and other types of Pigeons, we do have squirrels here, but they are not out of control populationwise like in other places (like the US and England) , so I dont shoot them (I shot one as a kid about 15 years ago, but that's it!). Mostly, I like to either shoot pests (some rats I have also shot), or things that I like to eat.
By the way, I may have to chrony both guns again. I just cleaned the barrels, and the patches were coming out as if they were painted over with a pencil. Hopefully I will go hunting some more this weekend (Holiday here in Panama), but a cousin of my wife's is getting married, so I'll have to see...
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I promised I'd postem when I got more results, and here they are. I still have pending the RWS Supermags, but other than that, I have no other kind of pellets (and I dont want any more!).
Just remember this is a Brazilian 1000X (the Turkish one shoots faster), and only a minuor tune was given to the receiver (only polishing of some components and lubing) was done (most of the tune-up was focused on the trigger, not the receiver).
