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Winchester 600x mods

June 2 2006 at 12:08 PM
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Hi guys, first sorry my english. I have made the trigger mod to my winchester 600x - brazilian model.

I found this part easy to do, just letting the sear and some other parts mirror like. Pull trigger it's much better, still a little hard, but better.

I was trying to find a guide to make other mods like putting a top hat, making a good lube job as it should be, but I'm not clear with the spring removing part. Could somebody help me please???

By the way, what detuning means?????

 
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Re: Winchester 600x mods

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June 3 2006, 4:17 PM 

I will answer this in both English (for everyone) and Spanish (Gaspar, hablas español, no?) assuming that Gaspar speaks spanish (he mentiones that his English is not so good).

First of all, if you have the Brazilian model, I made an article with pictures included on how to tune this model.  That will probably help you out quite a bit.  You can check it out at http://www.network54.com/Forum/392756/thread/1143356613/last-1144019912/Brazilian+Daisy+Winchester+1000X+tune-up+with+pics if you want to.  Also, as far as I understand, the Brazilian 600X is the same as the Brazilian other guns, but without a top hat (although I am not sure, as I have not personally seen one or disasambled one yet).  At least I know the 800X is the same as the 1000X without the top hat, so I am going from that assumption.  If your gun does not have a top hat, however, I would recommend making one, as it does improve the power and consistency of the gun.  To make a top hat, you will need a Naval Bronce rod, whoch you should buy a bit thicker than the diameter you will need (so when you lathe it, it will be centered; a 1" diameter should suffice).  The diameter of the thick part should be a couple of milimiters less (just enough so that it will fit inside) than the internal diameter of the piston, and the thin part's diameter is just a couple of milimiters less than the internal diameter of the spring.  The thin part should be about one to one and a half inches long, and the thick part about half an inch long.  I do not have my gun apart at the time, so I do not have the exact measurements, but maybe someone out here has the part at hand...  Do use the diameters based on your specific gun, though, as it will have a perfect fit that way.

I do hope this helps!  By the way, detuning means undoing the mods you made to your rifle.  And the ´"spring removing part" is a spring compressor.  You can either buy one or make one (they are cheap to make), and there are many sites that have guides on making these.  I built mine based on Charlie da Tuna's one (http://www.charliedatuna.com/airgun_docs/Spring%20Compressor%20(Simple).doc), and it has worked fine...

Primero que nada, si tienes el modelo hecho en Brasil, yo escribi un articulo con fotos de como hacer un "tune-up" a este tipo de modelos.  Creo que esto te puede ayudar.  Lo puedes en http://www.network54.com/Forum/392756/thread/1143356613/last-1144019912/Brazilian+Daisy+Winchester+1000X+tune-up+with+pics si quieres.  Luego, hasta donde yo entiendo, el modelo brasileño del 600X es igual que el 1000X, solo que sin el "top-hat" (aunque no estoy seguro, porque nunca he desarmado un 600X brasileño).  Hasta donde se, el 800X y el 1000X son iguales, y estoy partiendo de ese hecho.  Si tu rifle no tiene un "top-hat", yo recomiendo hacerle uno, ya que esto mejora la potencia y la consistencia de tiro del rifle.  Para hacerlo, vas a necesitar un pedazo de bronce naval, y tienes que comprarlo un poco mas ancho que el diametro interno the piston (para que cuando lo tornees, te quede centrado; con uno de una pulgada de diametro te debe bastar).  El diametro de la parte ancha debe ser un par de milimetros menos (solo lo suficiente para que entre) que el diametro interno del piston.  El diametro de la parte delgada, debe ser un par de milimetros menos que el diametro interno del resorte.  La parte delgada debe ser como de pulgada a pulgada y media de largo, y la parte ancha, como de media pulgada de ancho.  En realidad no tengo l rifle desarmado, asi que no tengo las medidas, pero a lo mejor alguien te las puede dar...  Pero si usa los diamteros basado en las piezas de tu rifle para un mejor encage.

Espero esto te ayude!  Por cierto, "detuning" quiere decir deshacer las modificaciones que le has hecho a tu rifle.  Y lo que usas para sacar el resorte es un compresor de resortes.  Esto puedes comprarlo o hacerte uno tu (son baratos de hacer).  Yo hice el mio basado en el de Charlie da Tuna (http://www.charliedatuna.com/airgun_docs/Spring%20Compressor%20(Simple).doc) y me funciono bien.

Felipe

 



    
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Rich. from Mich.
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top hat specs.

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June 4 2006, 6:03 AM 

The top hat that comes in a 1000X is 19mm diameter, 24mm long, with a spring guide stub on the end of 12mm diameter by 11mm long, for a total lenght of 35mm.
It is made of steel, not brass or anything like that.

I have made an installed one of these in a 800X and it's just as powerful as the 1000X, pellets crony out almost the same.

I would think that the 600X might have a shorter spring or maybe a less powerful spring, either way a top hat would certinaly bring up the power of the rifle.

 
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Naval Brass will work fine

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June 5 2006, 8:57 AM 

The original top hat is stainless steel, but using 464 Naval Brass (sorry, I said Bronce in the previous post, but it's brass) will actually work better than a lot of alloys of stainless steel.  But you have to make sure you are using Naval Brass and not regular porous brass, as they are VERY different materials.  You may also use stainless steel if you prefer, but be sure to use an alloy that can withstand strong impacts without deforming (there are many different alloys for stainless steel, and not all can witstand impacts without deforming or cracking).   I have used naval brass top hats on many of my guns, and it works fine (the first one I made has about 25K shots through the gun without any problems).

Felipe



    
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